From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 00:37:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA06956 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 00:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10673; Sat, 1 May 1999 00:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 00:33:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10523; Sat, 1 May 1999 00:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10509; Sat, 1 May 1999 00:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com (169.207.1.78 -> mailgw00.execpc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 00:33:38 -0400 Received: from pop00.execpc.com (pop00.execpc.com [169.207.1.114]) by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.9.1) id XAA22286 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:33:36 -0500 Received: from Pscdavis (narn-1-100.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.134.100]) by pop00.execpc.com (8.8.8) id XAA21055 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:33:35 -0500 Message-ID: <025a01be938b$bd0f8240$078bcfa9@Pscdavis> From: "Steven Davis" To: Subject: 560z CD-ROM Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:33:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0257_01BE9361.D3793780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0257_01BE9361.D3793780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there any consensus on the best PCMCIA CD-ROM drives for use with a = 560z? Is the IBM drive (1969010 @ ~$300.) a good value, or is there a = recommended 3rd party drive? Thanks, Steven ------=_NextPart_000_0257_01BE9361.D3793780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0257_01BE9361.D3793780-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 04:14:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA08204 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 04:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17680; Sat, 1 May 1999 04:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 04:12:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17530; Sat, 1 May 1999 04:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17517; Sat, 1 May 1999 04:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp2.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 04:12:36 -0400 Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id BAA10514; Sat, 1 May 1999 01:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <372AB640.45EC78CE@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 01:07:28 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Davis CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560z CD-ROM References: <025a01be938b$bd0f8240$078bcfa9@Pscdavis> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Almost any PCMCIA or parallel port drive will work. If you're not picky they can be had for under $100 new. I use a Panasonic KXL-810A SCSI-2 PCMCIA unit. It goes up to 20x, and can run off either the controller card (included), the AC adapter or 6 AA batteries. It has audio control buttons on the front so it makes a decent portable CD player. It's practically skip-proof. I couldn't make it skip an audio CD even after violent shaking for 10+ seconds. Also plays on its side and upside down :) Unfortunately there are several drawbacks: it costs $300+ new, there is NO linux support, and it eats batteries for snacks. If you plan to use it as a personal CD player a lot, make sure you have rechargable batteries. Panasonic sells a rechargeable battery pack for $70+ (!) but you can get away with using rechargable AAs. I was lucky to get a refurb for $150, and I spent the savings on a cheap portable CD player that uses just 2 AAs and runs a lot longer. Alternatives include the SCSI PCMCIA Sony PRD-650WN which lists for $270+ new but can sometimes be found on eBay. The Sony runs on 4AAs and there is an optional (expensive) Li-Ion battery pack for it. Battery life is better than the Panasonic unit, but it runs at 6x speed so that's one reason. It also has audio controls for use as a personal CD player. The IBM drive is only a good value if you like your stuff color-coordinated :) Benjamin > Steven Davis wrote: > > > Is there any consensus on the best PCMCIA CD-ROM drives for use with a > 560z? > > Is the IBM drive (1969010 @ ~$300.) a good value, or is there a > recommended 3rd party drive? > > Thanks, > > Steven From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 07:09:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA08862 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 07:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00503; Sat, 1 May 1999 07:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 07:08:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00376; Sat, 1 May 1999 07:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cask.force9.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00299; Sat, 1 May 1999 07:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cask.force9.net (195.166.128.29 -> cask.force9.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 07:05:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 895 invoked from network); 1 May 1999 11:03:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 1 May 1999 11:03:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 29306 invoked from network); 1 May 1999 10:57:59 -0000 Received: from 314.hiper04.access.free-online.net (HELO sierpinski) (212.56.117.58) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 1 May 1999 10:57:59 -0000 Message-ID: <002301be93c2$9c37e580$3a7538d4@sierpinski> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Steven Davis" , References: <025a01be938b$bd0f8240$078bcfa9@Pscdavis> Subject: Re: 560z CD-ROM Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 12:05:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: >Is the IBM drive (1969010 @ ~$300.) a good value, or is there a recommended 3rd party drive? I recently saw the 8-20x IBM drive for under $200 - maybe at the PCs Compleat or Comp USA website. I had trouble getting a couple of non-IBM drives to work on my 560, and finally got the 4x IBM, with which I am very pleased for the following reasons (besides the color-coordination and cool look): (1) Very solid case (much more than the Panasonic and Sony drives) (2) Doesn't slow down to a lower speed when used on battery mode instead of power (3) The rechargeable battery pack works well (though takes a long time to recharge) (4) Will also take bog-standard AA batteries, *extremely* useful in a pinch. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 10:07:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA09746 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 10:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05074; Sat, 1 May 1999 10:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 10:06:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04873; Sat, 1 May 1999 10:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04860; Sat, 1 May 1999 10:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 10:06:21 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-134.usc.edu [128.125.223.134]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id HAA04822; Sat, 1 May 1999 07:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990430175105.01c740a0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:51:58 -0700 To: Steven Augart , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Question about TP 600 In-Reply-To: <3729FE5F.8F69415A@ISI.EDU> References: <4.1.19990430103047.01ca09d0@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:02 PM 4/30/99 -0700, you wrote: >shipped her order. (There's actually a longer story here, having to >do with my being outbid on EBAY, then the high bidder retracting the >bid just before the auction closing, and my not realizing that I might >still "win" the auction even after having been outbid!) You can argue that you shouldn't be held liable based on the fact that you made other plans after you were out-bid. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 10:47:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA09961 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 10:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07871; Sat, 1 May 1999 10:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 10:45:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07634; Sat, 1 May 1999 10:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07616; Sat, 1 May 1999 10:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 10:45:31 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.78.192.239]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990501144514.DQMT19118@oemcomputer> for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 14:45:14 +0000 Message-ID: <372B11EA.7841@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 10:38:34 -0400 From: Simon Bryquer Reply-To: sbryquer@xworldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Norton's Systemworks and Thinkpads? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I was just wondering about Norton's Systemsworks or any of the individual programs on it such as: Utilities, Crashguard,Cleansweep and etc -- are there any conflicts, system slowdown anything to watch out for or for that matter the pros in relation to Thinkpads. Is Systemworks OK or is better to deal with each programs seperately. Especially in relation to the 600 or 380 series. Thanks Simon Bryquer -- Simon Bryquer -- Remove X before World when replying From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 11:42:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10308 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09721; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 11:41:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09563; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09548; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (207.66.82.36 -> mailer.cia-g.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 11:40:58 -0400 Received: from raybay (gup-112-dpm3.cia-g.com [207.66.82.235]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA22700; Sat, 1 May 1999 09:40:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <009b01be93e8$723c4200$eb5242cf@raybay> From: "Jimani" To: , Cc: "dneumann" , References: <3728CC37.E8DAA0A3@tirnet.de> <3728D04D.3347@worldnet.att.net> <3728DFF3.A8E@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: machine type question Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:36:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: My 760 ED arrived with only a 1.2 GB hard drive... new from IBM but that was quite a while back. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 11:49:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10353 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10316; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 11:47:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10049; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10000; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 11:46:18 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-104.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.104]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA12016 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990501115040.01cdf068@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 11:50:40 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Norton's Systemworks and Thinkpads? In-Reply-To: <372B11EA.7841@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:38 AM 5/1/99 -0400, Simon Bryquer wrote: >I was just wondering about Norton's Systemsworks or any of the >individual programs on it such as: Utilities, Crashguard,Cleansweep and >etc -- are there any conflicts, system slowdown anything to watch out >for or for that matter the pros in relation to Thinkpads. Is Systemworks >OK or is better to deal with each programs seperately. Especially in >relation to the 600 or 380 series. I have NSW installed on our TP 770x's and z's here. No problems, and it runs great. Their y2k utility is decent too. 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Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 11:59:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10437 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11086; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 11:57:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10920; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10907; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:57:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.6 -> imo16.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 11:57:49 -0400 Received: from BB2843@aol.com (571) by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id oPSKa13012 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2c77afea.245c7e63@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 11:57:23 EDT Subject: Re: MWave will go up to 33,600bps To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 List-Unsubscribe: I have a 760XD with 28.8 MWave. I bought a USR 56K PC Card modem 18 months ago but have never been able to make it work--even with Tech Support help. I don't seem to know how to permanently disable the internal MWave. Can anyone help with this. (I've been a silent member of this list for 2 years.) Barbara Britton -------------- Subj: MWave will go up to 33,600bps Date: 4/29/1999 2:57:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: 100550.3170@compuserve.com (Mark Gardiner) Sender: 100550.3170@compuserve.com (Mark Gardiner) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) .. >I have no idea what type of modem the 1451i uses. IBM has had >a bad history of releasing timely updates for their MWave (I >don't think 28.8 was available for nearly a year after 28.8 >modems started showing up in stores), and Linux support has >been spotty-nonexistent, so I have as a rule avoided TPs with >MWave. But even if you do have one, you can always buy a >PCMCIA/Cardbus modem and use it in lieu of the MWave.... The last upgrade for Mwave was to 33,600 which I have on my 755CX under Win 95 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 12:05:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10484 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11718; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 12:03:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11483; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11449; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 12:03:36 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-177.usc.edu [128.125.223.177]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA15553; Sat, 1 May 1999 09:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990501083246.01c75c80@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 08:33:55 -0700 To: sbryquer@xworldnet.att.net, TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Norton's Systemworks and Thinkpads? In-Reply-To: <372B11EA.7841@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:38 AM 5/1/99 -0400, you wrote: >I was just wondering about Norton's Systemsworks or any of the >individual programs on it such as: Utilities, Crashguard,Cleansweep and >etc -- are there any conflicts, system slowdown anything to watch out >for or for that matter the pros in relation to Thinkpads. Is Systemworks >OK or is better to deal with each programs seperately. Especially in >relation to the 600 or 380 series. I installed System Works 2.0 on my TP 600 last week. Surprisingly, it seems to be invisible (other than the icon in system tray). Seems to be much smoother than previous Norton pieces I had on the system (seperately). - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 12:37:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10797 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14302; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 12:36:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14141; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay12.jaring.my (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14128; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay12.jaring.my (192.228.128.123 -> relay12.jaring.my) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 12:36:23 -0400 Received: from richardthinkpad (j54.ptl42.jaring.my [161.142.116.68]) by relay12.jaring.my (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA21395 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 00:36:17 +0800 (MYT) From: "ZhaoYun" To: Subject: RE: Norton's Systemworks and Thinkpads? Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 00:36:44 +0800 Message-ID: <000001be93f0$cc672b20$fd3d188b@richardthinkpad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <372B11EA.7841@worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I had installed it on my TP 390, everything is fine. In fact, it did smooth up every thing. Thanks. > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Bryquer [mailto:sbryquer@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 1999 10:39 PM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Norton's Systemworks and Thinkpads? > > > I was just wondering about Norton's Systemsworks or any of the > individual programs on it such as: Utilities, Crashguard,Cleansweep and > etc -- are there any conflicts, system slowdown anything to watch out > for or for that matter the pros in relation to Thinkpads. Is Systemworks > OK or is better to deal with each programs seperately. Especially in > relation to the 600 or 380 series. > > Thanks > > Simon Bryquer > -- > Simon Bryquer -- Remove X before World when replying > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 12:49:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10875 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15124; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 12:48:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14943; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14926; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 12:48:00 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg130-063.ricochet.net [204.179.130.63]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA25871; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:47:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "epralong" , Subject: RE: ThinkPad 600 Rating Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:47:51 -0700 Message-ID: <004201be93f2$59f4b290$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <000101be92cc$5b913820$6437a8c0@unil.ch> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > I am using a TP 600 (PII 266 and 96 MB RAM) with great pleasure, > but I am always puzzled by the various reviews in the computer > magazines that are the rating the TP 600 pretty low compaired > to Dell or HP because of it's lack of speed due to the graphic > chipset and the cost. I have to say that the 2 main reasons > why I have bought a TP 600 were the support (drivers) and > the built quality not the price. > So what are you thikking of these (bad) reviews ? You hit the nail on the head yourself. You are using your TP600 *with great pleasure*. Very few magazine reviewers truly appreciate the pleasure of using a great notebook, and they don't understand what makes a notebook great. So they measure what's easy to measure: speed and specs. If Notebook A puts a smile on your face every time you use it because of its great design, but Notebook B is 10% faster and 10% cheaper, Notebook B will win the reviews. One thing reviewers never seem to get: if one computer is 10% faster than another, you *can't tell the difference.* -Mike Looking for a Geary? We're at Geary Central: http://geary.com/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 12:54:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10913 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15681; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 12:53:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15448; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15435; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 12:53:17 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg130-063.ricochet.net [204.179.130.63]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA26243; Sat, 1 May 1999 11:53:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Ken" , "Thinkpad list" Subject: RE: Trackpoint IV keyboard - Suggestions where to try one? Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:53:12 -0700 Message-ID: <004301be93f3$192e18e0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990430174518.009acb70@mail.ny.viant.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > Thanks so far to those who have given me feedback on the > Trackpoint IV external keyboard. > > . . . > > Can anyone suggest a way to physically try this keyboard? Or > does one have to order and pray? I would try to find out if it uses the same mouse button mechanism as the old Lexmark TrackPoint keyboards. I am guessing it is likely to be the same design. As much as I love TrackPoints, the external TrackPoint keyboards were a disaster. The mouse buttons turned mushy and wore out in six months. I wore out five of them all by myself... -Mike Looking for a Geary? We're at Geary Central: http://geary.com/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 13:17:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA11106 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 13:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17556; Sat, 1 May 1999 13:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 13:16:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17397; Sat, 1 May 1999 13:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17361; Sat, 1 May 1999 13:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (137.248.9.7 -> Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 13:16:29 -0400 Received: from mni.fh-giessen.de (sppp165.Stud-PPP.Uni-Marburg.DE [137.248.9.109]) by Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA34894 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 19:16:15 +0200 Message-ID: <372B36D3.46967BBA@mni.fh-giessen.de> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 19:16:03 +0200 From: Thomas Dickel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de]C-NECCK (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: cache question (was Re: machine type question) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill Murrow wrote: >i THINK the 760X series is the first to have the fan.. >so, if there is a little grille in the middle of the back of the machine, >then you do have the 760X series machine with the P-166.. >that and the 3gig drive were the main differences.. >ALSO, lest i forget, the memory is accessed by removing the HDD.. that is >the first machine not to have the door in the bottom to access the >memory.. >one more difference.. >the 760X series can use one 64meg DIMM and one 32meg DIMM, together with >the 16megs onboard, for a total of 104megs memory.. How many megs can the chipset Intel MX of the TP760XL/XD cache? The TX chipset e.g. could cache max. 64MB. --- Thomas Dickel From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 13:34:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA11233 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 13:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18424; Sat, 1 May 1999 13:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 13:28:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18313; Sat, 1 May 1999 13:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18296; Sat, 1 May 1999 13:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 13:27:54 -0400 Received: from ibm.net (slip166-72-168-177.va.us.ibm.net [166.72.168.177]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA66918 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 17:27:51 GMT Message-ID: <372B395D.378E43A4@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 13:26:53 -0400 From: David Lee Reply-To: bond_007@ibm.net Organization: Self X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [Fwd: cache question (was Re: machine type question)] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1C5F76E9E29513760EBA7912" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1C5F76E9E29513760EBA7912 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe all Intel Pentium chipsets could only cache the first 64meg like the MX, VX, TX. The first intel chipset that could cache over 64meg was the Pentium Pro chipset (440FX) and the later Pentium II chipsets (440LX, 440BX) and Xeon chipsets (440GX, 450NX). --------------1C5F76E9E29513760EBA7912 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1] by in4.ibm.net id 925579044.113288-1 ; Sat, 01 May 1999 17:17:24 +0000 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17541; Sat, 1 May 1999 13:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 13:16:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17397; Sat, 1 May 1999 13:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17361; Sat, 1 May 1999 13:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (137.248.9.7 -> Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 13:16:29 -0400 Received: from mni.fh-giessen.de (sppp165.Stud-PPP.Uni-Marburg.DE [137.248.9.109]) by Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA34894 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 19:16:15 +0200 Message-ID: <372B36D3.46967BBA@mni.fh-giessen.de> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 19:16:03 +0200 From: Thomas Dickel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de]C-NECCK (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: cache question (was Re: machine type question) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill Murrow wrote: >i THINK the 760X series is the first to have the fan.. >so, if there is a little grille in the middle of the back of the machine, >then you do have the 760X series machine with the P-166.. >that and the 3gig drive were the main differences.. >ALSO, lest i forget, the memory is accessed by removing the HDD.. that is >the first machine not to have the door in the bottom to access the >memory.. >one more difference.. >the 760X series can use one 64meg DIMM and one 32meg DIMM, together with >the 16megs onboard, for a total of 104megs memory.. How many megs can the chipset Intel MX of the TP760XL/XD cache? The TX chipset e.g. could cache max. 64MB. --- Thomas Dickel --------------1C5F76E9E29513760EBA7912-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 13:38:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA11261 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 13:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19132; Sat, 1 May 1999 13:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 13:37:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18984; Sat, 1 May 1999 13:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18970; Sat, 1 May 1999 13:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (142.90.100.2 -> reg.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 13:37:01 -0400 Received: from peter (142.90.100.78) by erich.triumf.ca (MX V5.1 Vn8g) with SMTP; Sat, 1 May 1999 10:36:43 -1300 From: "peter machule" To: , Subject: Re: [Fwd: cache question (was Re: machine type question)] Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 10:35:01 -0700 Message-ID: <01be93f8$f0bf6480$4e645a8e@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: No The MX could cache more than 64MB. BUT it required an extra external Tag Ram . No idea if the 760's had this chip . ..peter.. -----Original Message----- From: David Lee To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, May 01, 1999 4:28 PM Subject: [Fwd: cache question (was Re: machine type question)] >I believe all Intel Pentium chipsets could only cache the first 64meg >like the MX, VX, TX. The first intel chipset that could cache over 64meg >was the Pentium Pro chipset (440FX) and the later Pentium II chipsets >(440LX, 440BX) and Xeon chipsets (440GX, 450NX). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 14:13:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11539 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 14:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20827; Sat, 1 May 1999 14:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 14:10:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20530; Sat, 1 May 1999 14:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20505; Sat, 1 May 1999 14:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 14:10:17 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.164]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990501181014.EHTY18430@dts-jl>; Sat, 1 May 1999 18:10:14 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990501141152.00c2fab0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 14:11:52 -0400 To: Ken , Thinkpad list From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Trackpoint IV keyboard - reviews? In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990430092300.009a3e60@mail.ny.viant.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:26 AM 4/30/99 -0700, Ken wrote: >> Has anybody used the Trackpoint keyboard? I'm wondering if it'll be as good as the TP770ED's keyboard, which 1) has a third button for scrolling, and 2) has a built-in wrist rest and logical place for its buttons, since it's part of a laptop. >> I had a Trackpoint II (I think) for several years. It was made by Lexmark and was wonderful. Now I have a Trackpoint IV which I believe is made by Keytronics, and it's not as good. Doesn't have the right feel to me. But it's still better than an external mouse or touchpad. Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 15:09:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12048 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23366; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 15:08:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23174; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23150; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 15:06:51 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-24.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.24]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA19417; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990501151109.01cdf290@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 15:11:09 -0400 To: bond_007@ibm.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: [Fwd: cache question (was Re: machine type question)] In-Reply-To: <372B395D.378E43A4@ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:26 PM 5/1/99 -0400, David Lee wrote: >I believe all Intel Pentium chipsets could only cache the first 64meg >like the MX, VX, TX. The first intel chipset that could cache over 64meg >was the Pentium Pro chipset (440FX) and the later Pentium II chipsets >(440LX, 440BX) and Xeon chipsets (440GX, 450NX).Received: from CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1] by in4.ibm.net id 925579044.113288-1 ; Sat, 01 May 1999 17:17:24 +0000 Remember the Pentium HX chipset can cache more than 64megs... ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 15:18:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12116 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24132; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 15:17:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23962; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23948; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.121 -> pilot021.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 15:17:39 -0400 Received: from andres (pm452-25.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.131]) by pilot021.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA21468 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:17:37 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990501151849.0088ce70@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 15:18:49 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: History of the different trackpoints? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Can someone tell me the different trackpoint sticks that have come out over the years? Someone mentioned a trackoint IV. This makes me wonder about the changes over time. Thanks, STeve From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 15:38:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12245 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25310; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 15:36:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25105; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25092; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (165.87.194.252 -> out1.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 15:36:43 -0400 Received: from ibm.net (slip166-72-168-94.va.us.ibm.net [166.72.168.94]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA70664 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 19:36:39 GMT Message-ID: <372B578C.929CA871@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 15:35:40 -0400 From: David Lee Reply-To: bond_007@ibm.net Organization: Self X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: 430MX Chipset information. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have the datasheet for the 430MX chipset from Intel. Figure 9. 0-64MB -- Always cacheable 64-128MB-- First level cache supported Second level (L2) NOT cached. ftp://download.intel.com/design/pcisets/datashts/29052401.pdf Page 41/70. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 15:56:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12372 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26439; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 15:55:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26251; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from angel.algonet.se (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26238; Sat, 1 May 1999 15:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from angel.algonet.se (194.213.74.112 -> angel.algonet.se) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 15:55:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 21667 invoked from network); 1 May 1999 21:55:21 +0200 Received: from sdu115-78.ppp.algonet.se (HELO helsod) (195.163.78.115) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 1 May 1999 21:55:21 +0200 Message-ID: <003401be940b$f2e07520$734ea3c3@helsod> From: "Peter Soderholm" To: Subject: Finally Solaris on Thinkpad 760EL Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 21:51:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Hi everybody ! I just wanted to say I finaly managed to install Solaris on my Thinkpad = 760EL. I'd like to thank everybody who helped me with different ideas around the problem of not being able to = use the CD and FD at the same time. The solution I used was a bit unorthodox. I managed to find an adapter = for fitting the 2,5" drive in a desktop computer which had both CD and = FD and installing it there. This was my old desktop at work which = unfortunately wasnt terribly modern so it couldnt take my new 4G HD. I = had to install the OS on a small 450 M HD left over from my old 755CD. = After a lot of fiddeling with HD bios parameters as 32 bit access or not = etc I managed to get the Solaris to install without crashing. Then when I put it in the Thinkpad Solaris complained that the file = system was all wrecked but it seems Solaris is quite happy to reinstall = everything directly from the CD once you have gotten the boot image on = the disk, so I did the installation all over again (it was only about = the 5th time or so). Solaris actually supports the Thinkpad 760EL (and ED and CD and a few = other models), but there seem to be a bug in the graphics driver or = something because x came up with vertical lines all over the screen = which made it barely readable. I have heard that there are two different = graphic chipsets for the EL, the Trident cyber 9385 and the 9320 (older = version). It appears that mine have the 9385. MAybe the driver is for = the other chip and thats why it doesn't work. After a lot of trial and error I used the driver for the Thinkpad 365X = which maybe is the same as for the EL. However it seems the striped = screen thing does not happen if I am careful not to move the mouse = pointer when x (CDE) is coming up. The performanse of the 760EL seems surprisingly similar to my 40 MHz (!) = Sparcstation 2. Maybe I will put them beside each other and let them = race :-) (The Sparcstation has 64M and the EL only 32, memory seem to = matter a lot with Solaris or the graphics at least). Well, Solaris actually installs reasonably easy on the Thinkpad, but an = external Floppy is needed ... almost, at least strongly recomended. A little of the beauty with Solaris is lost though in my opinion from = using Suns own hardware where installation is so much easier than with = Linux for instance. The only thing easier to install than Solaris on a = Sparc would be Win95 and I would say its a tie. The problem with the = intel latform is mostly with to many drivers to write though.... best regards Peter Soderholm =20 =20 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 16:03:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12419 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 16:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26995; Sat, 1 May 1999 16:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 16:02:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26839; Sat, 1 May 1999 16:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26826; Sat, 1 May 1999 16:02:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.68 -> imo24.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 16:02:02 -0400 Received: from JES770@aol.com (7819) by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id oBIBa17022 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 16:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <329659ef.245cb7a8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 16:01:44 EDT Subject: Re: 430MX Chipset information. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 List-Unsubscribe: This table also indicates a 64MB limitation: http://www.magsys.co.uk/mbs/intelcp.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 16:50:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12820 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 16:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28711; Sat, 1 May 1999 16:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 16:48:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28511; Sat, 1 May 1999 16:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28486; Sat, 1 May 1999 16:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (192.100.81.132 -> netcom19.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 16:48:42 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id NAA21673 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 1 May 1999 13:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 13:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199905012048.NAA21673@netcom19.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 internal zip drives List-Unsubscribe: Anyone use these? Are there particularly good models? Do any support the new 250 meg zip disks? Do they work with Linux? Where is a good place to get one? Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 17:11:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA12980 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 17:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29616; Sat, 1 May 1999 17:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 17:10:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29456; Sat, 1 May 1999 17:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29443; Sat, 1 May 1999 17:10:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.4 -> imo14.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 17:10:00 -0400 Received: from TereziJ@aol.com (323) by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id oFPUa25653 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 17:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4286c20d.245cc7a2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 17:09:54 EDT Subject: Re: 770 internal zip drives To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 List-Unsubscribe: In a message dated 5/1/99 4:54:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, phr@netcom.com writes: << Anyone use these? Are there particularly good models? Do any support the new 250 meg zip disks? Do they work with Linux? Where is a good place to get one? Thanks. >> Can just help with part of the question - I have not yet seen an internal zip drive for the 250 meg disks. The internal zip drives currently just take the 100 meg disks. The 250 meg Zip Drive (the external ones) are backward compatible (i.e. they take the 100 meg ZipDisks) but to my knowledge the 100 meg drives can not use 250 meg disks. There IS one thing I'm unsure of - I thought the 770 was a model without a SelectBay? If that is so, then you can't put anything in it, including a ZipDrive. I thought that was the difference between the 600 and the 770? Or is that a 7-something else? You might try looking at the websites of the internal zip drive makers, like CNF and VST. They may soon have them available. I have used internal 100 meg Zip drives for several years, first with my Toshiba Sat Pro, and now with my TP600. I have been happy with both. In fact, the ability to have an internal Zip drive was one of my main criteria for purchasing this TP600. You can purchase the current ones from either their websites or from places like PC Connection (with whom I do most of my mail order computer supplies ordering). Marilyn Terezi Vintage CJ http://www.terezi.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 17:22:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13049 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 17:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00527; Sat, 1 May 1999 17:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 17:21:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00377; Sat, 1 May 1999 17:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00364; Sat, 1 May 1999 17:21:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.6 -> imo16.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 17:21:14 -0400 Received: from JES770@aol.com (14379) by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hBZAa13017; Sat, 1 May 1999 17:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 17:20:00 EDT Subject: Re: 770 internal zip drives To: phr@netcom.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 List-Unsubscribe: >Anyone use these? Are there particularly good models? Paul, I find the internal ZIP100 in my 770 very fast. Rarely use the floppy drive anymore. However, be sure to get the VST ZIP which is IBM Proven. The UltraBay II on the ThinkPad 770 doesn't recognize the new internal IOMEGA ZIP. The ZIP functionality is OK -- including the right-click Tools options. It's just that the UltraBay Icon indicates that a CD-ROM is installed instead of the ZIP - even though I have the latest BIOS and drivers installed. The only dysfunctional effect is that it seems to take a long time to enter and recover from Suspend Mode when the ZIP is installed -- though it does suspend. While it's entering Suspend it seems like Windows95 OSR2 freezes, but it eventually suspends and restores from suspend. I should have purchased a VST ZIP. but wanted to save a few bucks. I presumed that IBM hadn't listed the Iomega yet - thinking that the OEM of a peripheral would certainly be IBM Proven. Also, the Iomega was about $60 cheaper. John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 18:16:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13449 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 18:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02239; Sat, 1 May 1999 18:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 18:14:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01943; Sat, 1 May 1999 18:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01928; Sat, 1 May 1999 18:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 18:14:36 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.217.192]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990501221433.GCCW18430@oemcomputer>; Sat, 1 May 1999 22:14:33 +0000 Message-ID: <372B7CA2.4C00@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 18:13:54 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Soderholm CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Finally Solaris on Thinkpad 760EL References: <003401be940b$f2e07520$734ea3c3@helsod> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I think I read that the astronauts on the space shuttle use 11 IBM 760 ThinkPads using Solaris as the OS. So you are in good company. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 1 20:57:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA14572 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 20:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06593; Sat, 1 May 1999 20:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 May 1999 20:52:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06335; Sat, 1 May 1999 20:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06322; Sat, 1 May 1999 20:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (204.201.18.52 -> lucy.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 May 1999 20:52:42 -0400 Received: from seawesta-92.az.com (seawesta-92.az.com [204.201.18.92]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA18101 for ; Sat, 1 May 1999 17:52:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199905020052.RAA18101@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sun, 02 May 99 17:56:11 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Norton's Systemworks and Thinkpads? List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 01 May 1999 10:38:34 -0400, Simon Bryquer wrote: >I was just wondering about Norton's Systemsworks or any of the >individual programs on it such as: Utilities, Crashguard,Cleansweep and >etc -- are there any conflicts, system slowdown anything to watch out >for or for that matter the pros in relation to Thinkpads. Is Systemworks >OK or is better to deal with each programs seperately. Especially in >relation to the 600 or 380 series. I can only testify to the 365 series. But... Crashguard is one program that you don't want installed. It keeps your system from crashing by crashing it first. Otherwise I haven't noticed any adverse effects on my TP. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 2 00:28:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA16026 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 00:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12441; Sun, 2 May 1999 00:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 May 1999 00:26:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12263; Sun, 2 May 1999 00:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hydro.CAM.ORG (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12214; Sun, 2 May 1999 00:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hydro.CAM.ORG (198.168.100.7 -> Hydro.CAM.ORG) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 May 1999 00:26:02 -0400 Received: from cam.org (Dialup-591.HIP.CAM.ORG [199.84.45.86]) by Hydro.CAM.ORG (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA21124 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 00:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <372BD457.F0FB4567@cam.org> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 00:28:07 -0400 From: Rich Berdych X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP560 64M RAM Upgrade References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Greetings fellow Thinkpadders, Holy Postings, Batman! 60 in yesterday's digest! What is it? Spring? Whatever it is, keep it up, kids. Allow me to toss in my 2 cents worth... Name's Rich. I've got a TP560, 133 MHz (2640-10U). It's got the 32M RAM upgrade, in addition to the 8M on board. Thanks to Randall (and others) I've learned that, contrary to the 32M limit stated in the owner's manual, the 560 can actually take a 64M RAM module. I'm thinking of getting Mr. Stinky upgraded to 72M. Can anyone provide some pointers as to what kind of RAM module I should get? Where to buy? Or maybe offers? Since IBM doesn't officially support the 64M RAM upgrade, I'm kind of wary about forking out my cash for chips that don't work. Thanks in advance (and have an excellent summer), Rich Berdych berdych@cam.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 2 05:34:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA17806 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 05:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29577; Sun, 2 May 1999 05:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 May 1999 05:31:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29167; Sun, 2 May 1999 05:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29118; Sun, 2 May 1999 05:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.1.7 -> wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 May 1999 05:31:28 -0400 Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.2.12]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12838 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 11:31:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 2 May 99 11:31:25 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.44); 2 May 99 11:31:22 +0200 Received: from mail.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.68) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 2 May 99 11:31:19 +0200 Received: from voyager.stelarcom.de (voyager.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.10] ) by mail.stelarcom.de (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Sun, 2 May 1999 11:32:47 -0100 Message-Id: <199905021132.4731574.7@mail.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 11:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: HDD-adaptor List-Unsubscribe: Hi! Currently I'm looking for an adaptor to install a normal 2.5" HDD in my 760. That already worked if I disassemble my normal HDD-case to get the cable-connector. As I don't want to use the second HDD mobile (only to plug in in certain circumstances, when the TP is used as Desktop, but I don't want to get a real dockingstation, as the whole thing should be transportable with little efford) I'd like to aks where I could get that connector. You know that little piece of cable connecting the HDD-case to the bus. I can't use an ultrabay option as I need the CDROM simultaniously, and as I allready have the HDD I don't want to by a new one. (Although it's just a little piece of cable which would cost some cent if one can buy it...) Any ideas where to get? AFAIK that part has no number (at least I can't find one) and is not listed as FRU. (Ok one needs a screwdriver to get it ;) A complete (empty) HDD-case would of course be ok, too. Or an old defective HDD which I could disassemble to get that part. Thanks for any hints. -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Germany #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or Alexander.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for replies, also if some other adresses may appear. Thanks! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 2 05:34:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA17812 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 05:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29573; Sun, 2 May 1999 05:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 May 1999 05:31:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29151; Sun, 2 May 1999 05:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29119; Sun, 2 May 1999 05:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.1.7 -> wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 May 1999 05:31:29 -0400 Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.2.12]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04526 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 11:31:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 2 May 99 11:31:25 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.44); 2 May 99 11:31:22 +0200 Received: from mail.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.68) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 2 May 99 11:31:18 +0200 Received: from voyager.stelarcom.de (voyager.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.10] ) by mail.stelarcom.de (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Sun, 2 May 1999 11:32:44 -0100 Message-Id: <199905021132.4448197.7@mail.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net" , "Peter Soderholm" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 11:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <372B7CA2.4C00@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Finally Solaris on Thinkpad 760EL List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 01 May 1999 18:13:54 -0400, Birger Petterson wrote: Hi! >I think I read that the astronauts on the space shuttle use 11 IBM 760 >ThinkPads using Solaris as the OS. >So you are in good company. AFAIK Alpha (aka International Space Station, ISS) will be powered mainly by ThinkPads. Concerning the press releases I read they'll use 760 series that is EL, ED and mainly XD. As OS they'll run Solaris, too. -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Germany #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or Alexander.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for replies, also if some other adresses may appear. Thanks! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 2 12:48:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA20322 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 12:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17468; Sun, 2 May 1999 12:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 May 1999 12:45:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17052; Sun, 2 May 1999 12:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16858; Sun, 2 May 1999 12:45:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (207.69.200.31 -> smtp1.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 May 1999 12:45:18 -0400 Received: from progress (user-38lcdsh.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.55.145]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19056 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 12:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990502124517.01eb7910@mindspring.com> X-Sender: progress2000@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 12:45:28 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Norton's Systemworks and Thinkpads? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I installed just three components of Systemsworks (NU, NAV & CS)on my 770Z. I left off CrashGuard and WebServices. If worked fine for about a week. Last night I installed Quicktime Pro 4. Within 15 minutes of non-use, I received a blue screen Nprotect vxd error. I turned off Norton Protection, stripped the files in properties, and rebooted. I ran it a little while without Nprotect then turn it back on. So far I have had not other blue screens. I had Quicktime Pro 3 installed before. The same thing happened on my desktop. I have not been able to get Nprotect to not crash with blue screens. I turned it off. At 10:38 AM 5/1/99 -0400, you wrote: >I was just wondering about Norton's Systemsworks or any of the >individual programs on it such as: Utilities, Crashguard,Cleansweep and >etc -- are there any conflicts, system slowdown anything to watch out >for or for that matter the pros in relation to Thinkpads. Is Systemworks >OK or is better to deal with each programs seperately. Especially in >relation to the 600 or 380 series. > >Thanks > >Simon Bryquer >-- >Simon Bryquer -- Remove X before World when replying > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 2 12:53:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA20362 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 12:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18496; Sun, 2 May 1999 12:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 May 1999 12:51:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18080; Sun, 2 May 1999 12:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18067; Sun, 2 May 1999 12:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f04n01.cac.psu.edu (128.118.141.31 -> f04s01.cac.psu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 May 1999 12:51:41 -0400 Received: from 89171 (89171.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.89.171]) by f04n01.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA47208 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 12:51:38 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19990502124716.0093a5d0@mail.psu.edu> X-Sender: rfm@mail.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 12:57:25 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Robert F. Munzenrider" Subject: Re: Norton SsytemWorks and Thinkpads In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have Norton SystemWorks installed on my trusty (but sloooow) TP701. Works like a champ. I mostly use the Utilities & AntiVirus features. I've also used the "Live Update" feature to download & install upgrades to most of the software I keep on Ol' Betsy plus, of course, to keep NAV current. No Problems - not even with Crashguard (I don't think it has ever activated). -I've been using Norton Utilities in various forms for ??? 10+ years now. Guess I'm a satisfied customer? Bob Munzenrider Penn State Harrisburg >>I was just wondering about Norton's Systemsworks or any of the >>individual programs on it such as: Utilities, Crashguard,Cleansweep and >>etc -- are there any conflicts, system slowdown anything to watch out >>for or for that matter the pros in relation to Thinkpads. Is Systemworks >>OK or is better to deal with each programs seperately. Especially in >>relation to the 600 or 380 series. > >I can only testify to the 365 series. But... Crashguard is one program that you > don't want installed. It keeps >your system from crashing by crashing it first. Otherwise I haven't noticed >any > adverse effects on my TP. > >Robert From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 2 13:22:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20561 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 13:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21733; Sun, 2 May 1999 13:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 May 1999 13:21:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21520; Sun, 2 May 1999 13:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21507; Sun, 2 May 1999 13:21:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (207.69.200.30 -> smtp0.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 May 1999 13:21:13 -0400 Received: from progress (user-38lcdsh.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.55.145]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA31961 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 13:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990502132049.0157a100@mindspring.com> X-Sender: progress2000@mindspring.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 13:21:42 -0400 To: Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770Z and Laplink Technical Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I am a long time user of Laplink. I purchased LapLink Technical with the idea I may want to add the USB transfer capability. Problem: When I click on the icon I get an error message. If try it again, it will open most of the time. This problem stopped the remote reboot feature from working on a network. I tried technical fix number 5831 on the website for ATI video problems. It does not work on the ThinkPad and has since been removed from the Website. I have received no help from Traveling Software. Does anyone know of a fix or can you recommend which version that I should go back to. I have purchased both LapLink 7.5/NT and LapLink Professional. Error Message: LAPLINK caused an invalid page fault in module KERNEL32.DLL at 0177:bff9dba7. Registers: EAX=007bfb64 CS=0177 EIP=bff9dba7 EFLGS=00000206 EBX=8172b02c SS=017f ESP=007bf9b4 EBP=007bfb64 ECX=0000017f DS=017f ESI=00000000 FS=110f EDX=007bfb54 ES=017f EDI=000029b6 GS=0000 Bytes at CS:EIP: cc a1 d8 9c fc bf 8b 00 66 64 f7 05 1c 00 00 00 Stack dump: 03c60000 8172b070 81758bf4 81758bc4 81758bd8 c17ec580 13640157 1158016f 26580000 8a0a0000 89f20000 89feccf7 00010000 00010000 000001a7 01a735cc Thanks Anita From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 2 14:15:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA20843 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28190; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 May 1999 14:10:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28034; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28021; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:09:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (207.69.200.30 -> smtp0.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 May 1999 14:09:59 -0400 Received: from progress (user-38lcdsh.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.55.145]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA15495 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990502141017.0157bc10@mindspring.com> X-Sender: progress2000@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 14:10:29 -0400 To: Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770Z and Laplink Technical Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have looked for a updated video driver for the 770Z on IBM Website and did not find one. I don't know what you mean by generic driver. This laptop is new to me, but since I have a ghost backup...I do feel at ease to try most anything. I really like the ThinkPad. Even though I have other computers, I plan to use this Thinkpad as my desktop replacement. It should be easier to update my main programs on one computer for work and home on the laptop. Thanks for your help! At 01:32 PM 5/2/99 -0400, you wrote: >Anita.. >i have used laplink for years.. >the newer versions are VERY critical of the video driver.. > >i se you already know this problem is, most likely, related to the video >driver.. > >FWIW, try changing the video driver to a more generic one.. >i used LL for win95 on a 760XD years ago, it destroyed my system due to a >conflict with the video driver.. >i recovered only after changing the driver.. > >progress2000@mindspring.com wrote: > >> I am a long time user of Laplink. I purchased LapLink Technical with >> the idea I may want to add the USB transfer capability. >> >> Problem: When I click on the icon I get an error message. If try it >> again, it will open most of the time. This problem stopped the remote >> reboot feature from working on a network. I tried technical fix number 5831 >> on the website for ATI video problems. It does not work on the ThinkPad and >> has since been removed from the Website. I have received no help from >> Traveling Software. >> >> Does anyone know of a fix or can you recommend which version that I should >> go back to. I have purchased both LapLink 7.5/NT and LapLink Professional. >> >> Error Message: >> >> LAPLINK caused an invalid page fault in >> module KERNEL32.DLL at 0177:bff9dba7. >> Registers: >> EAX=007bfb64 CS=0177 EIP=bff9dba7 EFLGS=00000206 >> EBX=8172b02c SS=017f ESP=007bf9b4 EBP=007bfb64 >> ECX=0000017f DS=017f ESI=00000000 FS=110f >> EDX=007bfb54 ES=017f EDI=000029b6 GS=0000 >> Bytes at CS:EIP: >> cc a1 d8 9c fc bf 8b 00 66 64 f7 05 1c 00 00 00 >> Stack dump: >> 03c60000 8172b070 81758bf4 81758bc4 81758bd8 c17ec580 13640157 1158016f >> 26580000 8a0a0000 89f20000 89feccf7 00010000 00010000 000001a7 01a735cc >> >> Thanks >> Anita > > > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, >Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 2 14:27:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA20896 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29288; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 May 1999 14:21:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23561; Sun, 2 May 1999 13:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22598; Sun, 2 May 1999 13:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 May 1999 13:27:32 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl7-50.gate.net [199.227.131.177]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA321240; Sun, 2 May 1999 13:28:11 -0400 Message-ID: <372C8AE0.62CDACD9@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 13:26:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rich Berdych CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP560 64M RAM Upgrade References: <372BD457.F0FB4567@cam.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Rich.. there are many manufacturers who can supply memory for old stinky.. Kingston, Apricorn, GoldenRam, Viking, Apex, Paragon, to name a few.. memory is relatively cheap, and my prices change daily.. Rich Berdych wrote: > Greetings fellow Thinkpadders, > > Holy Postings, Batman! 60 in yesterday's digest! > What is it? Spring? Whatever it is, keep it up, kids. > > Allow me to toss in my 2 cents worth... > > Name's Rich. I've got a TP560, 133 MHz (2640-10U). > It's got the 32M RAM upgrade, in addition to the 8M > on board. Thanks to Randall (and others) I've learned > that, contrary to the 32M limit stated in the owner's > manual, the 560 can actually take a 64M RAM module. > > I'm thinking of getting Mr. Stinky upgraded to 72M. > Can anyone provide some pointers as to what kind of > RAM module I should get? Where to buy? Or maybe > offers? Since IBM doesn't officially support the 64M > RAM upgrade, I'm kind of wary about forking out my > cash for chips that don't work. > > Thanks in advance (and have an excellent summer), > > Rich Berdych > berdych@cam.org -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 2 14:37:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA20953 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29246; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 May 1999 14:21:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28851; Sun, 2 May 1999 14:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24394; Sun, 2 May 1999 13:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 May 1999 13:34:20 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl7-50.gate.net [199.227.131.177]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA221404; Sun, 2 May 1999 13:33:42 -0400 Message-ID: <372C8C2C.C93CF26B@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 13:32:28 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: progress2000@mindspring.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770Z and Laplink Technical References: <3.0.32.19990502132049.0157a100@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anita.. i have used laplink for years.. the newer versions are VERY critical of the video driver.. i se you already know this problem is, most likely, related to the video driver.. FWIW, try changing the video driver to a more generic one.. i used LL for win95 on a 760XD years ago, it destroyed my system due to a conflict with the video driver.. i recovered only after changing the driver.. progress2000@mindspring.com wrote: > I am a long time user of Laplink. I purchased LapLink Technical with > the idea I may want to add the USB transfer capability. > > Problem: When I click on the icon I get an error message. If try it > again, it will open most of the time. This problem stopped the remote > reboot feature from working on a network. I tried technical fix number 5831 > on the website for ATI video problems. It does not work on the ThinkPad and > has since been removed from the Website. I have received no help from > Traveling Software. > > Does anyone know of a fix or can you recommend which version that I should > go back to. I have purchased both LapLink 7.5/NT and LapLink Professional. > > Error Message: > > LAPLINK caused an invalid page fault in > module KERNEL32.DLL at 0177:bff9dba7. > Registers: > EAX=007bfb64 CS=0177 EIP=bff9dba7 EFLGS=00000206 > EBX=8172b02c SS=017f ESP=007bf9b4 EBP=007bfb64 > ECX=0000017f DS=017f ESI=00000000 FS=110f > EDX=007bfb54 ES=017f EDI=000029b6 GS=0000 > Bytes at CS:EIP: > cc a1 d8 9c fc bf 8b 00 66 64 f7 05 1c 00 00 00 > Stack dump: > 03c60000 8172b070 81758bf4 81758bc4 81758bd8 c17ec580 13640157 1158016f > 26580000 8a0a0000 89f20000 89feccf7 00010000 00010000 000001a7 01a735cc > > Thanks > Anita -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 2 16:12:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA21494 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 16:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03500; Sun, 2 May 1999 16:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 May 1999 16:11:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03406; Sun, 2 May 1999 16:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03386; Sun, 2 May 1999 16:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 May 1999 16:10:57 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-96.gate.net [199.227.20.223]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA134756; Sun, 2 May 1999 16:11:47 -0400 Message-ID: <372CB138.CF515488@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 16:10:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: progress2000@mindspring.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770Z and Laplink Technical References: <3.0.32.19990502141017.0157bc10@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: by a generic driver, i mean the windows supplied driver for the chipset.. i.e. the trident cyber.. its easy to try.. :-) progress2000@mindspring.com wrote: > I have looked for a updated video driver for the 770Z on IBM > Website and did not find one. I don't know what you mean by > generic driver. This laptop is new to me, but since I have a > ghost backup...I do feel at ease to try most anything. I really > like the ThinkPad. Even though I have other computers, I plan > to use this Thinkpad as my desktop replacement. It should be > easier to update my main programs on one computer for work and > home on the laptop. > > Thanks for your help! > > At 01:32 PM 5/2/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Anita.. > >i have used laplink for years.. > >the newer versions are VERY critical of the video driver.. > > > >i se you already know this problem is, most likely, related to the video > >driver.. > > > >FWIW, try changing the video driver to a more generic one.. > >i used LL for win95 on a 760XD years ago, it destroyed my system due to a > >conflict with the video driver.. > >i recovered only after changing the driver.. > > > >progress2000@mindspring.com wrote: > > > >> I am a long time user of Laplink. I purchased LapLink Technical with > >> the idea I may want to add the USB transfer capability. > >> > >> Problem: When I click on the icon I get an error message. If try it > >> again, it will open most of the time. This problem stopped the remote > >> reboot feature from working on a network. I tried technical fix number > 5831 > >> on the website for ATI video problems. It does not work on the ThinkPad > and > >> has since been removed from the Website. I have received no help from > >> Traveling Software. > >> > >> Does anyone know of a fix or can you recommend which version that I should > >> go back to. I have purchased both LapLink 7.5/NT and LapLink Professional. > >> > >> Error Message: > >> > >> LAPLINK caused an invalid page fault in > >> module KERNEL32.DLL at 0177:bff9dba7. > >> Registers: > >> EAX=007bfb64 CS=0177 EIP=bff9dba7 EFLGS=00000206 > >> EBX=8172b02c SS=017f ESP=007bf9b4 EBP=007bfb64 > >> ECX=0000017f DS=017f ESI=00000000 FS=110f > >> EDX=007bfb54 ES=017f EDI=000029b6 GS=0000 > >> Bytes at CS:EIP: > >> cc a1 d8 9c fc bf 8b 00 66 64 f7 05 1c 00 00 00 > >> Stack dump: > >> 03c60000 8172b070 81758bf4 81758bc4 81758bd8 c17ec580 13640157 1158016f > >> 26580000 8a0a0000 89f20000 89feccf7 00010000 00010000 000001a7 01a735cc > >> > >> Thanks > >> Anita > > > > > > > >-- > >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) > >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > >WEB page http://thinkpads.com > >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > >Done on a > >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 2 18:03:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA22163 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08013; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 May 1999 18:02:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07886; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07865; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:02:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from out2.ibm.net (165.87.194.229 -> out2.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 May 1999 18:02:00 -0400 Received: from ibm.net (slip166-72-243-79.va.us.ibm.net [166.72.243.79]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA54360 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 22:01:56 GMT Message-ID: <372CCB43.C9AA5C5B@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 18:01:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: DVD Playback Software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I remember several weeks ago that there was a thread on DVD/MPEG decoding software. I don't know if anyone was able to get answers to their questions but I was hunting for a different decoder (one that might work with WinNT) than the one that came with my 770ED (SoftDVD) and I ran across this website: http://windoms.sitek.net/~dvdsoft/dvdsoft.html It has info on several different decoders (some with DVD region codes you can change). WinDVD, XingDVD, PowerDVD to name a few (along with the standard SoftDVD and DVDExpress). It also has some general info on how these decoders work. I have found it very useful so far. Please let me know the results if you try one of these programs (particularly if you get something to work with WinNT). Rob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 2 18:40:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA22330 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09689; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 May 1999 18:39:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09536; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09515; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 May 1999 18:39:08 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.79.10.156]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990502223905.YFF15293@oemcomputer>; Sun, 2 May 1999 22:39:05 +0000 Message-ID: <372CD307.1D63@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 18:34:47 -0400 From: Simon Bryquer Reply-To: sbryquer@xworldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: john560e@aol.com Subject: Re: Norton SsytemWorks and Thinkpads References: <4.1.19990502124716.0093a5d0@mail.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Greetings one and all-- I want to thank all who responded. The answers were exactly what I was looking for and I decided to only install Norton's Utility --already had NAV. Nothing will be resident. But I thought I'd point out that when optimizing the system, especially the Swap file ( I'm not talking of NU defragmenting the file - which is good) it increased it way beyond the Windows own recommendation of creating this file in Virtual Memory management under the guise of speeding up the system and file access. It moved the file to C:\ and added 60MG. Creating a 100MG swap file. There was no increase in performance and my systems with 40MG works well and is stable and fast. It did this by adding two line in the SYSTEM.INI under the 386enh section: ;MinPagingFileSize=81228 ;PagingDrive=C: Which you will noticed I remarked out and tested the system. Everything worked fine. If you're going to look into this for yourselves please note that Windows will create a new Swap file in the Windows directory/folder. You then have to remove the other larger swap file from C:\. Once the instruction is no longer in SYS.INI by default W-95/98 will look for the file in the WINDOWS:\ folder. A special thanks to John560e who's always ready to helpwith solid information. Thanks, Simon Bryquer -- Simon Bryquer -- Remove X before World when replying From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 2 19:51:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA22647 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 19:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13143; Sun, 2 May 1999 19:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 May 1999 19:50:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12886; Sun, 2 May 1999 19:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12862; Sun, 2 May 1999 19:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 May 1999 19:49:54 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.54.224]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990502234951.CTIG7855@770>; Sun, 2 May 1999 23:49:51 +0000 Message-ID: <372CE4A6.1354@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 19:49:58 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sbryquer@xworldnet.att.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, john560e@aol.com Subject: Re: Norton SsytemWorks and Thinkpads References: <4.1.19990502124716.0093a5d0@mail.psu.edu> <372CD307.1D63@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: As soon as you install SW, you need to use the LIVE UPDATE to download all the fixes. This takes around 3.7 MB. AFter that, it automatically does the update, after which the system will work perfectly! Simon Bryquer wrote: > > Greetings one and all-- > I want to thank all who responded. The answers were exactly what I was > looking for and I decided to only install Norton's Utility --already had > NAV. Nothing will be resident. > > But I thought I'd point out that when optimizing the system, especially > the Swap file ( I'm not talking of NU defragmenting the file - which is > good) it increased it way beyond the Windows own recommendation of > creating this file in Virtual Memory management under the guise of > speeding up the system and file access. It moved the file to C:\ and > added 60MG. Creating a 100MG swap file. There was no increase in > performance and my systems with 40MG works well and is stable and fast. > It did this by adding two line in the SYSTEM.INI under the 386enh > section: > > ;MinPagingFileSize=81228 > ;PagingDrive=C: > > Which you will noticed I remarked out and tested the system. Everything > worked fine. > > If you're going to look into this for yourselves please note that > Windows will create a new Swap file in the Windows directory/folder. > You then have to remove the other larger swap file from C:\. Once the > instruction is no longer in SYS.INI by default W-95/98 will look for the > file in the WINDOWS:\ folder. > > A special thanks to John560e who's always ready to helpwith solid > information. > > Thanks, > > Simon Bryquer > > -- > Simon Bryquer -- Remove X before World when replying From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 3 14:35:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA01910 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13463; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 May 1999 14:31:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13135; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13110; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 May 1999 14:31:19 -0400 Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22759; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:29:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23550; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <2L396TZ0>; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:25:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "'Mark Bell'" Subject: RE: [Fwd: cache question (was Re: machine type question)] Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:25:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I find that http://www.motherboards.org and the Intel Developer's web site have a lot of good information on Intel chipsets. I think the HX could do more that 64 megs but lacks some of the features of later Chipset like SDRAM support. I have a desktop at home using a TX chipset and stay at 64 Megs. I recently put 128 Megs in my Pentium Pro system at work and it flies now. My 365ED can only have 24 Megs and it is maxed out. Still running 95 on it. I had to put Disk manager on it when I put in a DYKA-23240 (3.2 Gig) drive as Win95 did not like the BIOS translation method (Sometimes I think a 2.0 Gig would have been better). If I get a new Machine I may put the 1 Gig back into the 365ED and use the 3.2 either as a second drive or as a replacement of a smaller original drive. The 3.2 Gig has UltraDMA-33 support and I feel those features are wasted in the 365ED (although the newer travelstars spin faster). I run Win95, OS/2, and Linux on all of my home machines and laptops. I tend to get IBM drives as my HD upgrades because they seem to work good. I recently got a 14 Gig IBM that spins at 7200 RPM. I noticed a significant performance increase over a 5400 RPM 8.4 Gig Drive. Both were using the UDMA-33 controller in the TX chipset with Intel drivers. I did not notice any increase going from a 1 Gig to a 3 Gig HD on the laptop but the docs for the 365ED says it is not a local bus machine. It seems the 365XD was but I rather go for an older 500, 600 or 700 series. 73 ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU ---------- From: Mark Bell [SMTP:bytehead@bellatlantic.net] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 1999 3:11 PM To: bond_007@ibm.net; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [Fwd: cache question (was Re: machine type question)] Remember the Pentium HX chipset can cache more than 64megs... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 3 15:38:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA02625 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18195; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 May 1999 15:30:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18047; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18026; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 May 1999 15:30:38 -0400 Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23184 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:30:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23164 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:30:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990503153211.00a65270@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:32:11 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support In-Reply-To: References: <"STeve Andre'"'s message of "Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:16:44 -0400"> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:53 AM 4/28/99 +0100, Robin Stephenson wrote: > Ethernet > Heaven knows why laptops don't come with Ethernet these days > Maybe because there are still a number of large corporate customers out there like me whose shops are still heavily Token Ring and who point that out to the manufacturers every time the issue comes up. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 3 18:05:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA04480 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 18:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29078; Mon, 3 May 1999 18:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 May 1999 18:03:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28906; Mon, 3 May 1999 18:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28874; Mon, 3 May 1999 18:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (194.95.209.24 -> airbus.mayn.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 May 1999 18:03:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 32270 invoked from network); 3 May 1999 22:02:50 -0000 Received: from wuff.mayn.de (qmailr@194.95.209.17) by airbus.mayn.de with SMTP; 3 May 1999 22:02:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 10017 invoked by uid 5); 3 May 1999 22:02:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19990503220212.10016.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Received: from fred by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.13b) with SMTP for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 03 May 1999 08:14:49 +0100 From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 08:14:48 +0100 (MEZ) Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <199904231806.OAA07805@garnet.sover.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM Ends OS2 Support for Thinkpads List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:58:45 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >**IBM No Longer Supports the OS2 Operating System for Thinkpads.** > >This is what Thinkpad support told me this afternoon when I tried to tell >them there is a bug in the Mwave modem drivers for the TP 600E. I asked an IBMer (o.mark@de.ibm.com) who knows those guys that do ThinkPad Support at IBM. They told him that there's no support for iSeries and 570, but as long as customers demand it, there *will* be support for OS/2. This does not mean that there will be a 56k capable MWave driver, but ThinkPad Features, Video Drivers and PCMCIA drivers will be delivered. BTW: The Aurora ("IBM Warp Server for e-business") GA contains PCMCIA-Support for the iSeries. That's what IBM calls "no support". --- Kind regards, Rainer@Feuerstein.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 3 19:05:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA05184 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02990; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 May 1999 19:03:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02836; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woody.wcnet.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02823; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woody.wcnet.org (205.133.171.1 -> woody.wcnet.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 May 1999 19:03:29 -0400 Received: from peach.z.org. (IDENT:jzawodn@find-cas3-cs-45.dial.bright.net [209.143.26.250]) by woody.wcnet.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA12958; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:03:21 -0400 (EDT) To: Jane Loyless Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support References: <"STeve Andre'"'s message of "Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:16:44 -0400"> <3.0.1.32.19990503153211.00a65270@pop.mindspring.com> X-Auto-Copy-In: 1999-05 From: jzawodn@wcnet.org (Jeremy D. Zawodny) Date: 03 May 1999 19:10:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: Jane Loyless's message of "Mon, 03 May 1999 15:32:11 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 22 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070066 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.66) Emacs/20.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 List-Unsubscribe: Jane Loyless writes: > At 10:53 AM 4/28/99 +0100, Robin Stephenson wrote: > > > Ethernet > > Heaven knows why laptops don't come with Ethernet these days > > > > Maybe because there are still a number of large corporate customers > out there like me whose shops are still heavily Token Ring and who > point that out to the manufacturers every time the issue comes up. I wish those same folks would tell Olicom to make some Linux drivers for their PCMCIA Token Ring cards. I either need to move my new notebook to Ethernet (and sacrifice some speed) or get an IBM card. Jeremy -- Jeremy D. Zawodny Web Geek, Perl Hacker, etc. http://www.wcnet.org/~jzawodn/ jzawodn@wcnet.org 7:09pm up 58 days, 4:22, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.06 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 3 19:27:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA05439 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04472; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 May 1999 19:25:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04304; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04290; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 May 1999 19:25:37 -0400 Received: from pritzr (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA03372 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990503192409.00980280@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 19:26:32 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: 570 availability Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: A few days ago I ordered a TP 570 from pczones, and was told they expected stock on 5/3 (today). Today they say they now expect stock 6/30 (almost two months from today). Arghhh. Other vendors I've tried have said at least a month wait. Any ideas as to where to find at 570 26441au? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 3 20:17:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA05878 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07151; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 May 1999 20:10:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06809; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06796; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 May 1999 20:10:17 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15769; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <372E3A64.BCDA62DA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:08:05 -0400 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support References: <"STeve Andre'"'s message of "Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:16:44 -0400"> <3.0.1.32.19990503153211.00a65270@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jane Loyless wrote: > Maybe because there are still a number of large corporate customers out > there like me whose shops are still heavily Token Ring and who point that > out to the manufacturers every time the issue comes up. That hasn't stop desktop manufacturers (e.g., Dell) from building in ethernet. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 3 20:19:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA05899 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07883; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 May 1999 20:18:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07701; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07688; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:18:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.2 -> imo12.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 May 1999 20:18:08 -0400 Received: from DBarr5@aol.com (327) by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id oUBRa24274 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1e0654ae.245f9662@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:16:34 EDT Subject: 760xd keyboard To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 List-Unsubscribe: Greetings... My 760xd's keyboard has degenerated to the point where I can barely use it. I have removed keycaps and cleaned each key, but the problem persists. I have to press very hard directly on each key to cause it to respond....horrible for one's typing speed!! (Is 9 wpm good?) My questions: Is there some OTHER way of maintaining my keyboard? My 365xd's keyboard is far superior, is it a fluke in this model? What can be done to remedy this via IBM? Thx folks.... David Barr From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 3 20:43:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA06154 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09477; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 May 1999 20:42:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09294; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09273; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 May 1999 20:42:14 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-34.gate.net [199.227.131.97]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA174440; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:43:26 -0400 Message-ID: <372E425E.806A4812@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:42:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DBarr5@aol.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760xd keyboard References: <1e0654ae.245f9662@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David.. that keyboard is the shame of IBM.. period.. they tried, but failed, to produce a unique design, then used a bad key design, subject to quick wear.. your only option is to get a new keyboard, under warranty, if there is still warranty on that machine, otherwise, just buy a new keyboard and swap the old one out.. then use it as a dart board.. :-) they cost about $50 from IBM's boulder parts at 800-388-7080.. check the online hardware manuals and parts listings for the correct FRU number.. DBarr5@aol.com wrote: > Greetings... > > My 760xd's keyboard has degenerated to the point where I can barely use it. > I have removed keycaps and cleaned each key, but the problem persists. I > have to press very hard directly on each key to cause it to > respond....horrible for one's typing speed!! (Is 9 wpm good?) My questions: > > Is there some OTHER way of maintaining my keyboard? > My 365xd's keyboard is far superior, is it a fluke in this model? > What can be done to remedy this via IBM? > > Thx folks.... > > David Barr -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 3 21:08:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA06345 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10981; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 May 1999 21:06:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10849; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10836; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235 -> smtp2.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 May 1999 21:06:51 -0400 Received: from dmacq (207-172-113-158.s158.tnt5.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.113.158]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA00676 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:08:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" To: Subject: Thinkpad Retail where? Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:06:07 -0400 Message-ID: <01be95ca$4a895840$LocalHost@dmacq> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: I've just about decided to buy a Thinkpad. But before I shell out major dinero, I'd like to look at one in the flesh, er, plastic. Who sells them retail? Donald ---------------------------------------- Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot ---------------------------------------- I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! ---------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 3 21:17:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA06414 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11773; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 May 1999 21:15:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11515; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11492; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 May 1999 21:15:46 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-34.gate.net [199.227.131.97]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA165578; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:16:58 -0400 Message-ID: <372E4A34.45E98A@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 21:15:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Malcolm MacQueen CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Retail where? References: <01be95ca$4a895840$LocalHost@dmacq> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Donald.. most thinkpads that you will find at retail outlets, WILL be plastic machines.. like the 1421 "i" series and the like.. the really top end models are not plastic and are tough to find to look at, play with and so forth.. Donald Malcolm MacQueen wrote: > I've just about decided to buy > a Thinkpad. But before I shell > out major dinero, I'd like to look > at one in the flesh, er, plastic. > > Who sells them retail? > > Donald > ---------------------------------------- > Donald M. MacQueen > Registered Smalltalk Bigot > ---------------------------------------- > I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! > ---------------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 3 21:33:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA06533 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13020; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 May 1999 21:32:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12877; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12863; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (165.87.194.252 -> out1.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 May 1999 21:32:28 -0400 Received: from ibm.net (slip166-72-168-122.va.us.ibm.net [166.72.168.122]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA63820; Tue, 4 May 1999 01:32:23 GMT Message-ID: <372E4DE4.C98FA0E1@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 21:31:16 -0400 From: David Lee Reply-To: bond_007@ibm.net Organization: Self X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Malcolm MacQueen CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Retail where? References: <01be95ca$4a895840$LocalHost@dmacq> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Donald Malcolm MacQueen wrote: > > I've just about decided to buy > a Thinkpad. But before I shell > out major dinero, I'd like to look > at one in the flesh, er, plastic. > > Who sells them retail? The i-series is available at CompUSA and Staples. All other models are not avaiable in retail stores. Well none that I have found. I've been to CompUSA, Microcenter and some local computers stores, they all tell me that the higher end thinkpads are NOT available. So if you find a store that has 770Zs around, please let me know. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 3 21:47:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA06636 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14084; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 May 1999 21:46:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13964; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13876; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.14 -> dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 May 1999 21:45:11 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA06137; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:44:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alb-ny6-04.ix.netcom.com(198.211.83.68) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma006115; Mon May 3 20:44:13 1999 Message-ID: <372E51D7.1FF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 21:48:07 -0400 From: Harvey Organization: What me Worry. com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: DBarr5@aol.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760xd keyboard References: <1e0654ae.245f9662@aol.com> <372E425E.806A4812@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow wrote: > > David.. > that keyboard is the shame of IBM.. > period.. > they tried, but failed, to produce a unique design, then used a bad key design, > subject to quick wear.. > > your only option is to get a new keyboard, under warranty, if there is still > warranty on that machine, otherwise, just buy a new keyboard and swap the old one > out.. > then use it as a dart board.. :-) > they cost about $50 from IBM's boulder parts at 800-388-7080.. > check the online hardware manuals and parts listings for the correct FRU number.. > > DBarr5@aol.com wrote: > > > Greetings... > > > > My 760xd's keyboard has degenerated to the point where I can barely use it. > > I have removed keycaps and cleaned each key, but the problem persists. I > > have to press very hard directly on each key to cause it to > > respond....horrible for one's typing speed!! (Is 9 wpm good?) My questions: > > > > Is there some OTHER way of maintaining my keyboard? > > My 365xd's keyboard is far superior, is it a fluke in this model? > > What can be done to remedy this via IBM? > > > > Thx folks.... > > > > David Barr > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. Excellent points. I purchased a new 760L keyboard on Ebay for my "old" 760ED keyboard (they're compatible) and am now happy again :))/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 3 22:16:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06818 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16044; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 May 1999 22:15:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15930; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15916; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (207.69.200.31 -> smtp1.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 May 1999 22:15:14 -0400 Received: from WilliamArmstrong (user-2ivebkp.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.46.153]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA14863 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "William Armstrong" To: Subject: RE: Thinkpad Retail where? Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:16:35 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) In-Reply-To: <01be95ca$4a895840$LocalHost@dmacq> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Donald, Depends on where you are. We have the 380's, 560's, 600's and 770's here in NYC at a couple of retail stores (not CompUSA or STABLES, though). Have not yet seen 770Z, yet. -Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Donald Malcolm MacQueen [mailto:dmacq@erols.com] Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 9:06 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad Retail where? I've just about decided to buy a Thinkpad. But before I shell out major dinero, I'd like to look at one in the flesh, er, plastic. Who sells them retail? Donald ---------------------------------------- Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot ---------------------------------------- I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! ---------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 3 22:33:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06911 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17152; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 May 1999 22:32:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17044; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17012; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.112 -> pilot012.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 May 1999 22:31:52 -0400 Received: from andres (pm457-26.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.132]) by pilot012.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA20890 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:31:43 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990503223255.0089c100@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 22:32:55 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Thinkpad Retail where? In-Reply-To: <372E4A34.45E98A@icanect.net> References: <01be95ca$4a895840$LocalHost@dmacq> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Now, now... Speaking as an TP 1451 Series i owner, I am very impressed with the quality and construction of the unit. It may have plastic in it, but it is hardly a toy, or fragile. Mine has performed very well. It is easily the best laptop of the ones I've seen lately, although the higher-end TP's I haven't seen. It compares very very well to units made by Toshiba, Dell, Sager and some others I briefly sneered at. ;-) Time will tell how sturdy it is, but I expect this to be a winner. I've dealt with enough laptops from the repair standpoint to think this. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 09:15 PM 5/3/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Donald.. >most thinkpads that you will find at retail outlets, WILL be plastic >machines.. >like the 1421 "i" series and the like.. > >the really top end models are not plastic and are tough to find to look >at, play with and so forth.. > >Donald Malcolm MacQueen wrote: > >> I've just about decided to buy >> a Thinkpad. But before I shell >> out major dinero, I'd like to look >> at one in the flesh, er, plastic. >> >> Who sells them retail? >> >> Donald >> ---------------------------------------- >> Donald M. MacQueen >> Registered Smalltalk Bigot >> ---------------------------------------- >> I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! >> ---------------------------------------- > > > >-- >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will >vary, Done on a >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 3 22:39:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06965 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17720; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 May 1999 22:38:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17553; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17540; Mon, 3 May 1999 22:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 May 1999 22:38:00 -0400 Received: from atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id VAA18339 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 21:37:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990503213619.008613c0@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 21:36:19 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: [570] Linux/FreeBSD support In-Reply-To: <372E3A64.BCDA62DA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> References: <"STeve Andre'"'s message of "Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:16:44 -0400"> <3.0.1.32.19990503153211.00a65270@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 08:08 PM 5/3/99 -0400, Lee Hetherington wrote: >Jane Loyless wrote: > >> Maybe because there are still a number of large corporate customers out >> there like me whose shops are still heavily Token Ring and who point that >> out to the manufacturers every time the issue comes up. > >That hasn't stop desktop manufacturers (e.g., Dell) from building in >ethernet. Of course, it wasn't Dell that ignored a pretty decent existing networking system (Ethernet) and forced a completely new and incompatible system (Token Ring) down all of their major customer's throats. (Note: I'm not saying that T.R. isn't a nice network.) Just a thought... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: My Primary Signing Key: 0xBFF69509 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNy5dFm8pw+2/9pUJEQLIqACcDxQqpIdbUYpuaXWytJuMvaq5g74AoKNm AJkARwVwCvuYIZkW/AEisTPW =jBSC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 3 23:51:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA07554 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 23:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20806; Mon, 3 May 1999 23:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 May 1999 23:40:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20681; Mon, 3 May 1999 23:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20625; Mon, 3 May 1999 23:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 May 1999 23:39:47 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-19.gate.net [199.227.173.19]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA43444; Mon, 3 May 1999 23:40:57 -0400 Message-ID: <372E6BF9.8EB487CD@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 23:39:37 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: warmstrong@waldinc.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Retail where? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill.. 770Z is the same as the 770 series.. except for the new radio security device, faster cpu and 14gig HDD.. i have two of the 8AU's here.. want one.. ?? :-) William Armstrong wrote: > Donald, > > Depends on where you are. We have the 380's, 560's, 600's and 770's here > in NYC at a couple of retail stores (not CompUSA or STABLES, though). Have > not yet seen 770Z, yet. > > -Bill Armstrong > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Malcolm MacQueen [mailto:dmacq@erols.com] > Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 9:06 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Thinkpad Retail where? > > I've just about decided to buy > a Thinkpad. But before I shell > out major dinero, I'd like to look > at one in the flesh, er, plastic. > > Who sells them retail? > > Donald > ---------------------------------------- > Donald M. MacQueen > Registered Smalltalk Bigot > ---------------------------------------- > I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! > ---------------------------------------- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 3 23:52:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA07561 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 23:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21721; Mon, 3 May 1999 23:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 May 1999 23:51:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21513; Mon, 3 May 1999 23:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21479; Mon, 3 May 1999 23:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 May 1999 23:50:55 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-19.gate.net [199.227.173.19]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA346042; Mon, 3 May 1999 23:52:00 -0400 Message-ID: <372E6E8F.D55A1E16@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 23:50:40 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Retail where? References: <01be95ca$4a895840$LocalHost@dmacq> <3.0.6.32.19990503223255.0089c100@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the "i" series has gotten consistently good reviews from the users.. like "lots of value for the money"... :-) STeve Andre' wrote: > Now, now... > > Speaking as an TP 1451 Series i owner, I am very impressed with the > quality and construction of the unit. > > It may have plastic in it, but it is hardly a toy, or fragile. Mine has > performed very well. It is easily the best laptop of the ones I've seen > lately, although the higher-end TP's I haven't seen. It compares very > very well to units made by Toshiba, Dell, Sager and some others I briefly > sneered at. ;-) > > Time will tell how sturdy it is, but I expect this to be a winner. I've > dealt with enough laptops from the repair standpoint to think this. > > --STeve Andre' > andres@pilot.msu.edu > > At 09:15 PM 5/3/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >Donald.. > >most thinkpads that you will find at retail outlets, WILL be plastic > >machines.. > >like the 1421 "i" series and the like.. > > > >the really top end models are not plastic and are tough to find to look > >at, play with and so forth.. > > > >Donald Malcolm MacQueen wrote: > > > >> I've just about decided to buy > >> a Thinkpad. But before I shell > >> out major dinero, I'd like to look > >> at one in the flesh, er, plastic. > >> > >> Who sells them retail? > >> > >> Donald > >> ---------------------------------------- > >> Donald M. MacQueen > >> Registered Smalltalk Bigot > >> ---------------------------------------- > >> I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! > >> ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >-- > >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) > >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > >WEB page http://thinkpads.com > >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > >vary, Done on a > >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 05:59:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA09851 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 05:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12549; Tue, 4 May 1999 05:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 05:56:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12387; Tue, 4 May 1999 05:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12370; Tue, 4 May 1999 05:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (204.201.18.52 -> lucy.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 05:56:53 -0400 Received: from seawesta-79.az.com (seawesta-79.az.com [204.201.18.79]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA12199 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 02:56:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199905040956.CAA12199@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Wed, 05 May 99 03:00:31 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP Carrying Cases List-Unsubscribe: Hi everyone My carrying case for my TP 365XD is starting to show some signs of wear around the handle and shoulder strap hooks. These signs are tears in the vinal. I don't know how serious it is, but I wouldn't want to have the shoulder strap or hand handle just come off the case and drop my TP! I need a case that will protect the TP very well. Will handle the following accessories that I must keep with me: 1 Port Replicator 3 Spare NiMh batteries 1 PCMCIA Lan/Modem card (with LAN pigtail and Modem adapter) 1 AC power supply/transformer 1 cord for AC power supply/transformer 1 external 3.5" floppy drive 1 cord for 3.5" floppy drive 1 cord for hot syncing a Palm III 1 US customs registration card About 8 Floppy disks 2 CD Roms Recommendations and pointers are quite welcome. I don't want something that will scratch my TP (aka buckles). The current case I have now is from Garrard. It uses velcro straps to hold the TP in place. The only thing I dislike about it is that one side is heavier if the case was put on top a desk (standing up) , it will fall over unless I lay it flat on it's side. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 06:36:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA10002 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 06:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15433; Tue, 4 May 1999 06:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 06:34:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15225; Tue, 4 May 1999 06:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15212; Tue, 4 May 1999 06:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 06:34:14 -0400 Received: from thomsonp (client-151-200-125-101.bellatlantic.net [151.200.125.101]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA12462 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 06:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005301be9619$df7ccf00$657dc897@thomsonp> From: "BellAtlantic" To: Subject: 760XD won't do 80mb Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 06:35:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01BE95F8.5790FBA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BE95F8.5790FBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a 760XD that runs perfectly with 64mb RAM, but bumping it to 80mb = results in Windows Protection errors and a restore backup registry = prompt upon booting with my Win95 drive. My NT4 drive boots to a blue = screen. I've switched out the 32mb modules, and swapped mem slots, all = work fine as long as I stay at 64mb or less. I know I've put 80mb in a 760ED. Any ideas? Thanks, Paul ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BE95F8.5790FBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a 760XD that runs perfectly with 64mb RAM, = but bumping=20 it to 80mb results in Windows Protection errors and a restore backup = registry=20 prompt upon booting with my Win95 drive.  My NT4 drive boots to a = blue=20 screen. I've switched out the 32mb modules, and swapped mem = slots, all work=20 fine as long as I stay at 64mb or less.
 
I know I've put 80mb in a 760ED.  Any = ideas?
 
 
Thanks,
 
Paul
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BE95F8.5790FBA0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 08:48:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA10725 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20834; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 08:45:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20528; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20514; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (207.34.202.37 -> smtp.interlog.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 08:45:42 -0400 Received: from shell1.interlog.com (bennyc@shell1.interlog.com [207.34.202.8]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29134 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by shell1.interlog.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id IAA08821; Tue, 4 May 1999 08:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 08:55:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Benny Cheng To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: i1451H< MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Anyone know if this is a new i model? I got an info sheet from our company's employee buying program and this was on it. Same price as the previous 1451 (which dropped $200CDN BTW) but with Lithium battery and a Mobile Pentium. Since I alreay bot a 1451 a few months back when they came out, I'm most interested in the LiON battery! Can the current 1451 uses this battery? Can somebody confirm that this model exists and wasn't a misprint. thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 09:47:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11338 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25016; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 09:44:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24669; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24651; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (132.230.150.1 -> avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 09:44:05 -0400 Received: from asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.167.101]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA14140; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:43:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA26377; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:43:26 +0200 (MDT) Message-Id: <199905041343.PAA26377@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: Re: 701 parts Where is the online listings?? In-Reply-To: <372A4B78.C575789D@icanect.net> from Bill Morrow at "Apr 30, 99 08:31:52 pm" To: penzance@icanect.net (Bill Morrow) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:43:26 +0200 (MDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Reply-to: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Phone: +49-(0)761-203-8274 Fax: +49-(0)761-203-8262 Address: Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Institut fuer Informatik Address: Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello all, > > I remember a number of months ago there was a url posted that had the > > parts catalogs for pads. I thought I had saved it but now can't find it): > > I need a battery retaining slide (the small slide/lock on the bottom) of > > my 701 and would like to look up and order the part from IBM. > > Does anyone know where this listing livs?? > its on the IBM site.. > follow the links to the hardware manuals.. > i have it on another machine if you can't find it.. > > its quite unlikely that you can buy just that part, or any part for a 701 > from IBM these days.. let us all know if you succeed.. I have had no problem buying spare parts for my 701 as recently as last week. You need the official part number, and pricing is erratic, but other than that, no problem. This is Germany though, so might not apply to your part of the world. Sven -- _ _ Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung | |_ __ | |__ Sven Utcke | | ' \| '_ \ phone: +49 761 203 8274 Am Flughafen 17 |_|_|_|_|_.__/ fax : +49 761 203 8262 79110 Freiburg i. Brsg. mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-freiburg.de www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 09:56:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA11435 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26273; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 09:53:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25949; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25908; Tue, 4 May 1999 09:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (132.230.150.1 -> avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 09:53:30 -0400 Received: from asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.167.101]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA14466 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:53:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA05627 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:53:02 +0200 (MDT) Message-Id: <199905041353.PAA05627@asterix.informatik.uni-freiburg.de> Subject: Re: TP701C Battery Advice Sought In-Reply-To: <19990430084515.H10351@its.unimelb.edu.au> from Robert Sturrock at "Apr 30, 99 08:45:15 am" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:53:02 +0200 (MDT) From: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Reply-to: sven.utcke@gmx.de (Sven Utcke) Phone: +49-(0)761-203-8274 Fax: +49-(0)761-203-8262 Address: Albert-Ludwigs-Universitaet Freiburg, Institut fuer Informatik Address: Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello all, > On the subject of batteries, I have a ThinkPad-701C with a single > NiCad battery. The battery is new (or so I'm led to believe). However, > I don't really ever use the battery, since I mostly just plug the unit > into the mains at home. I had been leaving the battery plugged into the > system anyway, but someone told me this is a bad idea. My manual of the 701 tells me that you can leave the battery in. For all I know this is _not_ true! If you do not need the battery, you should fully charge it and place it on a shelf. Reasons: a) memory effect. b) It seems that the 701 counts how many times the battery was loaded. Once a certain count is reached (stored on a chip inside the battery), it will refuse to work with that battery, no matter if it's still good or not. > I was also told > that if I do use the battery, I should run it down to 0% then charge it > back up again, rather than just running it down to say 70%? You certainly should, due to a). Note, however, that you can not run down the battery to 0% as long as it is inside the TP (which will switch of at around 10%-20%, I guess). > I want to preserve the battery for those rare occasions when I do need > to use it. What is the best strategy for doing this? Put it on a shelf, loaded. Reload before using. > I have taken the > battery out of the unit, but should I run it right down to 0% first, > or is it OK to leave it charged up while in storage? It should be charged. Do _not_ store it discharged, ever. Sven Disclaimer: the above is what I learned from similar discussions on the net and might well be completely inaccurate. -- _ _ Lehrstuhl fuer Mustererkennung und Bildverarbeitung | |_ __ | |__ Sven Utcke | | ' \| '_ \ phone: +49 761 203 8274 Am Flughafen 17 |_|_|_|_|_.__/ fax : +49 761 203 8262 79110 Freiburg i. Brsg. mailto:utcke@informatik.uni-freiburg.de www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 10:08:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA11548 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27454; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 10:06:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27159; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27102; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.105 -> pilot005.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 10:05:53 -0400 Received: from andres (pm457-39.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.145]) by pilot005.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA59586 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:05:50 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990504100705.008b1100@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:07:05 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: i1451H< Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I can't confirm the new model, but I do know that the 1451 can use the LiON battery. I was supposed to get one with my 1451, but there wern't any available according to the place I got my TP from (Corporate Raider). Subsequent calls to other TP dealers seems to confirm this; they are rare right now, perhaps being reserved for the higher end models? With the LiON battery you're supposed to be able to get up to 3.8 hours of life out of it, which is better than the the 2.1 hours I'm squeezing out the my NiMH battery. > >Anyone know if this is a new i model? I got an info sheet from our >company's employee buying program and this was on it. Same price as the >previous 1451 (which dropped $200CDN BTW) but with Lithium battery and a >Mobile Pentium. > >Since I alreay bot a 1451 a few months back when they came out, I'm most >interested in the LiON battery! Can the current 1451 uses this battery? > >Can somebody confirm that this model exists and wasn't a misprint. > >thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 11:19:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12392 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03104; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 11:14:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02791; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02773; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 11:14:47 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22692 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <372F0EE4.57641900@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:14:44 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.7-nfsv3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: ThinkPad 570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: We just received two, so they must be starting to trickle out. Initial impression is that they are a worthy successor to the 560. With out the base, it is lean and mean. With the base, it is a tank. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 12:39:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13259 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11172; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 12:32:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10542; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10508; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (207.0.68.7 -> home.dwave.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 12:32:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.9.3/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA13912 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:33:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:33:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760LD COM port works In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: If you are having a serial port on a ThinkPad running, try this procedure that IBM EasyServ talked me through. Start EasySetup, Initialize the system. Start your OS. If you have serial and IR, serial will be disabled. Enable that and disable IR. Restart your OS. That's all it took for me. I know most people do not attach things to their laptop's serial port, but for those who might try (just to ensure it works, perhaps), this could help. Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 12:40:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13281 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11164; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 12:33:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10634; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10599; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 12:33:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA23576 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:32:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 12:32:49 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 availability In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990503192409.00980280@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 3 May 1999, richard wrote: > A few days ago I ordered a TP 570 from pczones, and was told they expected > stock on 5/3 (today). Today they say they now expect stock 6/30 (almost > two months from today). Arghhh. > > Other vendors I've tried have said at least a month wait. I hope this isn't like the original TP760(?) availability. By the time some people finally got their orders for the original 760, the next generation 760 was offically announced (and at a lower price than the original 760 price set by gougers). Don't be afraid to cancel and order from elsewhere. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 12:41:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13287 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06136; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 11:47:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05935; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05921; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 11:47:14 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23045 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <372F1673.2B4F9E7A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:46:59 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.7-nfsv3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: ThinkPad 570 References: <372F0EE4.57641900@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: We ordered our 570s from DataCare Corporation of Burlington, MA. Specifically, we ordered from Ace Chitalia at 781-272-1754 x28. If you talk to him, please tell him that I sent you. Thanks. We are just satisified customers. They have always been able to get us cutting edge ThinkPads relatively quickly (e.g., ten 600s in the first week after their announcment last spring). --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 12:41:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13296 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05132; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 11:33:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04572; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04481; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 11:31:40 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-133.gate.net [207.36.212.133]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA270322; Tue, 4 May 1999 11:32:49 -0400 Message-ID: <372F12CF.E1C3E7D5@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:31:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BellAtlantic CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760XD won't do 80mb References: <005301be9619$df7ccf00$657dc897@thomsonp> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6C8AAF61D620CA81177482BC" List-Unsubscribe: --------------6C8AAF61D620CA81177482BC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sure sounds like bad memory..! or, possibly, the wrong memory, or not inserted properly, or, in the case of the 760X series, the tiny switch is in the wrong position.. BellAtlantic wrote: > I have a 760XD that runs perfectly with 64mb RAM, but bumping it to > 80mb results in Windows Protection errors and a restore backup > registry prompt upon booting with my Win95 drive. My NT4 drive boots > to a blue screen. I've switched out the 32mb modules, and swapped mem > slots, all work fine as long as I stay at 64mb or less. I know I've > put 80mb in a 760ED. Any ideas? Thanks, Paul -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------6C8AAF61D620CA81177482BC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sure sounds like bad memory..!
or, possibly, the wrong memory, or not inserted properly, or, in the case of the 760X series, the tiny switch is in the wrong position..

BellAtlantic wrote:

  I have a 760XD that runs perfectly with 64mb RAM, but bumping it to 80mb results in Windows Protection errors and a restore backup registry prompt upon booting with my Win95 drive.  My NT4 drive boots to a blue screen. I've switched out the 32mb modules, and swapped mem slots, all work fine as long as I stay at 64mb or less. I know I've put 80mb in a 760ED.  Any ideas?  Thanks, Paul  
 

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net
770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------6C8AAF61D620CA81177482BC-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 13:27:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13732 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16536; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:24:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16214; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16187; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (206.127.32.35 -> tam.dorsai.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:23:57 -0400 Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (higgins@amanda.dorsai.org [206.127.32.130]) by tam.dorsai.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA12478 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:27:58 -0400 (EDT) From: John Higgins Received: (higgins@localhost) by amanda.dorsai.org (8.8.5/8.6.12) id NAA20684 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905041727.NAA20684@amanda.dorsai.org> Subject: Business Week TP 570 review To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:27:56 -0400 (edt) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Business Week's technology columnist Stephen Wildstrom published a surprisingly favorable review of the TP 570, loving the whole "slice" thang. I think it;s a vailable for free at maven.com, or I can email to anyone without access to the Business Week site. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins Broadcasting & Cable Magazine higgins@dorsai.org v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 13:29:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13797 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16414; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:23:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16026; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16009; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:23:10 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-091.usc.edu [128.125.224.91]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id KAA22635; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990504095219.01cf8bf0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 09:55:03 -0700 To: I Lee Hetherington , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: ThinkPad 570 In-Reply-To: <372F0EE4.57641900@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:14 AM 5/4/99 -0400, you wrote: >We just received two, so they must be starting to trickle out. Initial >impression is that they are a worthy successor to the 560. With out the >base, it is lean and mean. Any leaner than a 560? From what I saw on the specs, its no different than a 560 (except for a few feature improvements--but as to size, its almost identical). > With the base, it is a tank. Just what I figured. I suppose if you have *zero* use for CD drive & etc. in a portable form (that is, you were a candidate for a 560 anyway), then the 570 is a good choice. Is the base an optional extra, or is it standard? How much extra do you pay for the base, if not included? - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 13:35:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13923 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18035; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:30:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17301; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17153; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235 -> smtp2.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:29:47 -0400 Received: from pritzr (209-122-225-166.s166.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.225.166]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA02477; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990504125208.0099d6e0@pop.rcn.com> Message-Id: <4.1.19990504125208.0099d6e0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 12:55:08 -0400 To: John Kim From: richard Subject: Re: 570 availability Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990503192409.00980280@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:32 PM 5/4/99 -0400, you wrote: >On Mon, 3 May 1999, richard wrote: > >> A few days ago I ordered a TP 570 from pczones, and was told they expected >> stock on 5/3 (today). Today they say they now expect stock 6/30 (almost >> two months from today). Arghhh. >> >> Other vendors I've tried have said at least a month wait. > >I hope this isn't like the original TP760(?) availability. By >the time some people finally got their orders for the original >760, the next generation 760 was offically announced (and at >a lower price than the original 760 price set by gougers). >Don't be afraid to cancel and order from elsewhere. Today pczones lowered their estimate to 5/19. I've also ordered from somewhere else that promises 5/10. I intend to monitor both every day or two. With luck one or the other will get stock in a resonable amount of time. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 13:43:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14064 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19302; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:36:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18401; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.jud.ca.gov (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18257; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.jud.ca.gov (208.239.204.222 -> mx.jud.ca.gov) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:35:50 -0400 Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (host-220.jud.ca.gov [208.239.204.220] (may be forged)) by mx.jud.ca.gov (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA19849 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.11 Enterprise) id 00049497; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:34:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:34:40 -0700 Message-ID: <00049497.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell.Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) Subject: PC Week's Review of TP570 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part List-Unsubscribe: This week's review of the TP570 is favorable - 3 A's and 3 B's. for what it's worth. Mitchell From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 13:45:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14121 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19380; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:37:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18586; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18369; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (195.70.69.190 -> bisgw.blackwell.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:36:13 -0400 Received: from trss by fnord.blackwell.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 10ej70-0001UD-00; Tue, 4 May 1999 18:36:06 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Business Week TP 570 review References: <199905041727.NAA20684@amanda.dorsai.org> From: Robin Stephenson X-Attribution: Robin X-PGP-keyID: 0xA38351BD X-Copyright: Copyright =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A9?= 1999 Robin Stephenson -- all rights reserved. Permission to reproduce attributed copies and extracts granted. X-rfc1876-address: 51 45.2 N 1 16.2 W 58m 0.5m 500m 2m Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 04 May 1999 18:36:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: John Higgins's message of "Tue, 4 May 1999 13:27:56 -0400 (edt)" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: "Robin Stephenson,,01865 792792 x3233,01865 782493" List-Unsubscribe: >>>>> On Tue, 4 May 1999 13:27:56 -0400 (edt) >>>>> "John" == John Higgins wrote: John> Business Week's technology columnist Stephen Wildstrom published John> a surprisingly favorable review of the TP 570, loving the whole John> "slice" thang. I think it;s a vailable for free at maven.com, or John> I can email to anyone without access to the Business Week site. URL: -- Robin Stephenson Postage Will Be Paid By Addressee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 13:47:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14169 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20176; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:41:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19437; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19320; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (195.70.69.190 -> bisgw.blackwell.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:40:43 -0400 Received: from trss by fnord.blackwell.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 10ejBO-0001Ve-00; Tue, 4 May 1999 18:40:38 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PC Week's Review of TP570 References: <00049497.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Robin Stephenson X-Attribution: Robin X-PGP-keyID: 0xA38351BD X-Copyright: Copyright =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A9?= 1999 Robin Stephenson -- all rights reserved. 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X-rfc1876-address: 51 45.2 N 1 16.2 W 58m 0.5m 500m 2m Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 04 May 1999 18:40:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: Mitchell.Yee@jud.ca.gov's message of "Tue, 4 May 1999 10:34:40 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: "Robin Stephenson,,01865 792792 x3233,01865 782493" List-Unsubscribe: >>>>> On Tue, 4 May 1999 10:34:40 -0700 >>>>> "Mitchell" == Mitchell Yee wrote: Mitchell> This week's review of the TP570 is favorable - 3 A's Mitchell> and 3 B's. for what it's worth. -- Robin Stephenson Kills Germs By Millions On Contact From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 13:52:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14264 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21229; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:49:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20801; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20689; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:48:59 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-091.usc.edu [128.125.224.91]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id KAA04637; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990504102617.01d04c50@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:47:55 -0700 To: "LightSide" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <199905040956.CAA12199@www.az.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:00 AM 5/5/99 -0800, you wrote: >I need a case that will protect the TP very well. Will handle the following >accessories that I must keep with me: You make quite a list there. :-) 3 options that I personally have been very pleased with--and each depends on your needs. Option 1: The Ultralight Approach Eagle Creek (outdoor backpack & camping manufacturer) makes a really nice padded "envelope" of sorts that a notebook computer goes into quite nicely It protects it well and has a couple of pockets on it to put some CD's & floppies in (or small cords). This is really the minimalist approach as there's really no room for anything else, but its ideal if that's what you're after--or if you need to put the computer in some other bag where its not very well-protected. I got mine (along with a really *great* airline carryon bag that turns into a backpack--the "Switchback Plus") at www.walkabouttravelgear.com and I *highly* recommend these folks. They were *very* courteous, responsive, knowledgeable, etc. Option 2: The Caddillac of Standard Computer Cases Port. www.port.com. Back when I first got my TP 750C, it came with a bunch of coupons, one of which was $100 off a case made by Port. It was (is still) an expensive option, but a *very* good one (good enough that IBM had them making many bags to put the IBM label on--and you know IBM used to be a lot pickier about such things than they are today). I got a nice leather one that is as nice as or nicer than any briefcase I've ever seen. The beauty of most of the Port cases is that they cradle your notebook in a "sling" with dead air underneath. This allows a *lot* more leeway when or if you should drop the thing, as foam pads compress and don't allow as much "give" to protect the computer. Option 3: The Carryon Suitcase that Carries the Rest of your Luggage. Do you travel by air much? Or have to carry lots of things at once? I do. I do presentations and exhibit software products, which puts me in a position of having to carry a laptop, a data projector, printed samples, order forms, and usually at least 1 box full of product all the time. I found the perfect solution. Check out www.portercase.com (though I got mine from 1-800-batteries, as that was the cheapest price I could find on it). Its a 22x14x8 hard-shell case (well within standard airline & FAA rules limiting the size of a carryon bag) that not only has a telescoping handle & wheels, but also flips over and turns into a cart--a cart that you can stack other boxes & luggage onto to carry through the airport. They offer many flavors of it (you'll see on the website) designed to carry or protect various items (I got the one for laptops--but actually use that space to protect my data projector while I use the Eagle Creek envelope in Option 1 to protect my TP 600 stashed right next to it). I've been using it for a couple weeks now and it got its first real test a few days ago--worked marvelously carrying 2 heavy boxes on top of it. I have to go to New Orleans tomorrow and it will come in very handy then too, addtionally carrying another couple of luggage items. Really--its fabulous. At any rate, those are the routes I most recommend, all from personal experience and depending on your own needs. Unfortunately, the only one that is cheap is the first one. The last two are rather expensive, but believe me--its a case of "you get what you pay for" and both of them are simply *great*. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 14:26:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14804 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13603; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 12:56:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13369; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wilson.acpub.duke.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13239; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wilson.acpub.duke.edu (152.3.233.69 -> wilson.acpub.duke.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 12:55:17 -0400 Received: from Wonseok (res-152-16-198-246.dorm.duke.edu [152.16.198.246]) by wilson.acpub.duke.edu (8.8.5/Duke-4.6.0) with SMTP id MAA25592; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:55:14 -0400 (EDT) From: WonSeok Choi To: John Kim Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 availability In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 12:58:02 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.5 Build (43) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I'm actually a newbie in ThinkPads but I'm considering a TP570. I'm just wondering if anyone here have any shopping experience at Time Trend (www.timetrend.com). They do have some of the lower prices (well..buying a ThinkPad, price is not the main point, but cheaper is cheaper). Otherwise it might be another bargain on-line vendor with poor service and delivery even if it is a IBM Partner. Where do you guys then get your accessories for the thinkpads (especially for tp570)?..there are quite a lot of additional things going into this sub-notebook: -CD-ROM/DVD-ROM, -Margi card (if I want to see movies..probably not) -Ultrabase -Etherjet 10/100 PC Card That's quite a big list multiplying the highly priced TP570 quite substantially to around $4,000 (maybe this is the norm for thinkpads).. Well..i have been too talkative to this point.. where do you guys get your parts and where are some recommended places..please help this newbie out. I would appreciate it. Cheers. Won On Tue, 4 May 1999 12:32:49 -0400 (EDT) John Kim wrote: > On Mon, 3 May 1999, richard wrote: > > > A few days ago I ordered a TP 570 from pczones, and was told they expected > > stock on 5/3 (today). Today they say they now expect stock 6/30 (almost > > two months from today). Arghhh. > > > > Other vendors I've tried have said at least a month wait. > > I hope this isn't like the original TP760(?) availability. By > the time some people finally got their orders for the original > 760, the next generation 760 was offically announced (and at > a lower price than the original 760 price set by gougers). > Don't be afraid to cancel and order from elsewhere. > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org > ---------------------- WonSeok Choi wc6@duke.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 14:27:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14818 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17835; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:29:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17080; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17037; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.41 -> mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:29:18 -0400 Received: from 145.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.149.145]) by mtiwmhc06.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990504172906.HOQS10935@145.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:29:06 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: TP List Subject: Re: ThinkPad 570 Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:27:55 GMT Message-ID: <37392dcf.62985446@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <4.1.19990504095219.01cf8bf0@rcf.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990504095219.01cf8bf0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 04 May 1999 09:55:03 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >Just what I figured. I suppose if you have *zero* use for CD drive & etc. >in a portable form (that is, you were a candidate for a 560 anyway), then >the 570 is a good choice. > > Is the base an optional extra, or is it standard? How much extra do you >pay for the base, if not included? Everything I've read counts the base as a $100 option, but you then have to buy all of the drives that go into it. Same ol' Big Blue... epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 14:31:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14880 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 14:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21729; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:52:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21302; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21253; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 13:51:50 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-091.usc.edu [128.125.224.91]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id KAA06293; Tue, 4 May 1999 10:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990504104811.01d031c0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:51:15 -0700 To: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown), TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: ThinkPad 570 In-Reply-To: <37392dcf.62985446@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <4.1.19990504095219.01cf8bf0@rcf.usc.edu> <4.1.19990504095219.01cf8bf0@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:27 PM 5/4/99 +0000, you wrote: >On Tue, 04 May 1999 09:55:03 -0700, Randal Whittle >wrote: >>Just what I figured. I suppose if you have *zero* use for CD drive & etc. >>in a portable form (that is, you were a candidate for a 560 anyway), then >>the 570 is a good choice. >> >> Is the base an optional extra, or is it standard? How much extra do you >>pay for the base, if not included? > > Everything I've read counts the base as a $100 option, but you then have >to buy all of the drives that go into it. Same ol' Big Blue... $100 for a shell, eh? That's pretty pathetic. But if all you want is a CD drive...not sure what that goes for, but I'd guess at least $200. So for $300 or so, you can have the base & a CD for your 570. I guess that's not too bad. On first glance I'd say they should include it, but then I suppose there's plenty of 570 (like 560) purchasers that would never need it, so they shouldn't be forced to pay extra for something they won't need. Its not like the 701's port replicator which opened the door to just about *all* the ports & functions on the machine. - Randy From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 15:24:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15691 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29174; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 15:21:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28890; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.leopard.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28830; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.leopard.com (199.239.18.2 -> smtp.leopard.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 15:20:22 -0400 Received: from ssh (needToKnowBasis.leopard.com [199.239.18.87] (may be forged)) by smtp.leopard.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA15995; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:30:02 -0600 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Randal Whittle" , "LightSide" , "TP List" Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:21:44 -0600 Message-ID: <000201be9663$5852c260$5712efc7@ssh.servicemetrics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990504102617.01d04c50@rcf.usc.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: >Option 2: The Caddillac of Standard Computer Cases > > Port. www.port.com. Back when I first got my TP 750C, it came with a >bunch of coupons, one of which was $100 off a case made by Port. It was >(is still) an expensive option, but a *very* good one (good enough that IBM >had them making many bags to put the IBM label on--and you know IBM used to >be a lot pickier about such things than they are today). I got a nice >leather one that is as nice as or nicer than any briefcase I've ever seen. > > The beauty of most of the Port cases is that they cradle your >notebook in >a "sling" with dead air underneath. This allows a *lot* more leeway when >or if you should drop the thing, as foam pads compress and don't allow as >much "give" to protect the computer. The Rolls Royce version of this is the new Computer Organizer bags by Tumi (http://www.tumi.com). Tumi licensed the Port technology, and use the new version that actually has *two* slings. I have dropped a Thinkpad from 30" inside my old Thinkpad/Port case without a problem. ssh From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 16:22:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16450 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29932; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 15:28:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29554; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29523; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (129.206.119.201 -> relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 15:28:14 -0400 Received: from mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17669 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:28:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bp7@localhost) by mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13824; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:28:02 +0200 Message-Id: <199905041928.VAA13824@mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> From: "Andreas Busch" To: "ThinkPad Discussion List" Date: Tue, 04 May 99 21:27:58 +0100 Reply-To: "Andreas Busch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Activating IR port on ThinkPad 760ED under OS/2 Version 4? List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I have had my ThinkPad 760ED for a long time without ever having needed = the IR port. It was therefore disabled. Now I am the proud owner of a Palm IIIx PDA which has an IR port, and I = would like to use it to hotsync it to the ThinkPad. What do I have to do? I tried the ThinkPad Setup program and enabled the= IR port, setting it to COM4 and IRQ3 (which was free). The program warned me that= "this resource was in use by the Serial Driver which would be disabled" (or a = similar message to that effect). I proceeded, but after shutting down OS/2 and r= estarting it, when I tried to hotsync with pilot-link via COM4, it gave me a message t= hat it did not know about a COM4 port. After searching information on the 'net without much luck (and finding t= o my dismay that the Warped ThinkPad Page has apparently been discontinued), I am so= mewhat at a loss for information and hope that somebody on the list may be able to= enlighten me. Many thanks in advance, Andreas ------- Dr. Andreas Busch Universit=E4t Heidelberg Tel. (06221) 54-2874 Institut f=FCr Politische Wissenschaft Fax (06221) 54-2896 Marstallstrasse 6 E-Mail: Andreas.Busch@urz.uni-heidelberg.de 69117 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~bp7 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 16:39:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16703 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05365; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 16:33:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04956; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.pa.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04943; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.pa.msu.edu (35.8.48.77 -> pads1.pa.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 16:33:15 -0400 Received: from pa.msu.edu ([35.8.50.80]) by mail.pa.msu.edu (SMI-8.6/MSU-2.11pa-sol251-2) id QAA26499; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:33:12 -0400 Message-ID: <372F5A4C.7C995591@pa.msu.edu> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:36:28 -0400 From: Tom Rockwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Retail where? Plastic? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow wrote: >the really top end models are not plastic and are tough to find to look >at, play with and so forth.. My 560x appears to be plastic. I thought all thinkpads were - or are you refering to internal structure? Speaking of internal structure - does anybody have pictures on the web of what the inside of a 560 looks like. I like to take things apart, and would like to disassemble my 560x - fear of not being able to put it back together is stopping me :-O To the original poster - I bought my 560x sight unseen - I don't know of any normal consumer retail places where you can go to play with thinkpads (other than i series). IMO 560 really has a quality "feel" to it - gives me that warm fuzzy feeling of having bought a quality product. If you buy mail order I think you can expect to be satisfied. -Tom Rockwell From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 17:00:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA16958 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07196; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 16:56:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06973; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tirnet.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06951; Tue, 4 May 1999 16:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tirnet.de (195.222.117.1 -> ns.tirnet.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 16:56:34 -0400 Received: from tirnet.de (dial-in237.tirnet.de [195.222.117.237]) by tirnet.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA25816 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 22:56:23 +0200 Message-ID: <372F5F0E.F9414886@tirnet.de> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 22:56:46 +0200 From: Dirk Neumann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: thank you: machine type question, 104megs? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------186D4129B1D01F778E8648D2" List-Unsubscribe: --------------186D4129B1D01F778E8648D2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, many thanks to you all, now I know that I'm a happy 760XD -user (with the fan and the grille in the middle of the back, the memory is accessed by removing the HDD, and maybe 104megs) Is there someone who use 104megs on a 760XD ? -- Dirk Neumann Tel.: +49 9632 - 502 247 / ICQ 33369348 D-95692 Konnersreuth (Germany / Bavaria) --------------186D4129B1D01F778E8648D2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello,
many thanks to you all,
now I know that I'm a happy 760XD -user
(with the fan and the grille in the middle of the back, the memory is accessed by removing the HDD, and maybe 104megs)

Is there someone who use 104megs on a 760XD ?
 

--
Dirk Neumann
Tel.: +49 9632 - 502 247 / ICQ 33369348

D-95692 Konnersreuth
(Germany / Bavaria)
  --------------186D4129B1D01F778E8648D2-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 17:09:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17070 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08589; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 17:06:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08179; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08162; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 17:06:43 -0400 Received: from 242.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.152.242]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990504210639.CTIF27630@242.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:06:39 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: TP List Subject: Re: ThinkPad 570 Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:05:28 GMT Message-ID: <373b5f97.75730771@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <4.1.19990504095219.01cf8bf0@rcf.usc.edu> <4.1.19990504095219.01cf8bf0@rcf.usc.edu> <4.1.19990504104811.01d031c0@rcf.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990504104811.01d031c0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 04 May 1999 10:51:15 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >> Everything I've read counts the base as a $100 option, but you then have >>to buy all of the drives that go into it. Same ol' Big Blue... > > $100 for a shell, eh? That's pretty pathetic. > > But if all you want is a CD drive...not sure what that goes for, but I'd >guess at least $200. So for $300 or so, you can have the base & a CD for >your 570. I guess that's not too bad. For those of you that haven't browsed the Businessweek article, they happen to list the prices. Ultrabase (includes floppy, btw): $119 CD-ROM: $135 DVD-ROM: $335 LS-120 SuperDisk: $225 ZipDrive: $269 2nd battery: $209 The Ultrabase is compatible with all of the UltraSlimBay devices for the 600 series except the battery. I'm not clear in whether the floppy is usable without the Ultrabase; if the slice is optional, the floppy ought to be usable solo, but no one mentions it without discussing the base. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 17:18:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17175 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09274; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 17:09:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08722; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08680; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 17:09:36 -0400 Received: from 242.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.152.242]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990504210932.CUOX27630@242.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:09:32 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 Battery Latch Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:08:21 GMT Message-ID: <373c6125.76128293@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The latch on my 701 broke and now the battery keeps sliding free. I've avoided opening the entire system so far, and I'd like to keep it that way :-) Has anyone replaced one or know of a fix for holding the battery in without it that doesn't make the system look like something from Mary Shelley's imagination? I rarely remove the darn battery anyway, so it's more important to hold it in than get it out in my case. epbrown Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 17:18:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17180 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10092; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 17:14:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09511; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09477; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 17:14:09 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01129; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <372F6318.248F3F51@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:14:00 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.7-nfsv3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Emanuel Brown CC: TP List Subject: Re: ThinkPad 570 References: <4.1.19990504095219.01cf8bf0@rcf.usc.edu> <4.1.19990504095219.01cf8bf0@rcf.usc.edu> <4.1.19990504104811.01d031c0@rcf.usc.edu> <373b5f97.75730771@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The floppy can attach to the 570 via a cable too (like the 600, 770, etc.). --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 17:34:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17376 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12234; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 17:32:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11866; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11848; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 17:32:02 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl5-21.gate.net [199.227.131.21]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA292570; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:31:59 -0400 Message-ID: <372F66FD.9057637D@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:30:38 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rockwell CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Retail where? Plastic? References: <372F5A4C.7C995591@pa.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Tom, et al... The 700 series.. (700 through 770) are not plastic, but some other material.. i forget what its called... most likely some sort of carbon fiber material thats lighter and stronger than "mere" plastic.. then the paint is a rubberized material.. i understand that IBM spent some time developing this paint.. note that "mere" plastic is an amazing and wonderful material and was quite expensive when it was being developed some years ago.. the 560 is a nice example.. plastic has become synonomous with cheap, when it should really not be so... :-) Tom Rockwell wrote: > Bill Morrow wrote: > > >the really top end models are not plastic and are tough to find to look > >at, play with and so forth.. > > My 560x appears to be plastic. I thought all thinkpads were - or are > you refering to internal structure? Speaking of internal structure - > does anybody have pictures on the web of what the inside of a 560 looks > like. I like to take things apart, and would like to disassemble my > 560x - fear of not being able to put it back together is stopping me :-O > > To the original poster - I bought my 560x sight unseen - I don't know of > any normal consumer retail places where you can go to play with > thinkpads (other than i series). IMO 560 really has a quality "feel" to > it - gives me that warm fuzzy feeling of having bought a quality > product. If you buy mail order I think you can expect to be > satisfied. > > -Tom Rockwell -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 17:37:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17431 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12466; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 17:33:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12033; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12007; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 17:32:56 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl5-21.gate.net [199.227.131.21]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA219718; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:33:59 -0400 Message-ID: <372F6776.7BC675E6@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:32:38 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dirk Neumann CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: thank you: machine type question, 104megs? References: <372F5F0E.F9414886@tirnet.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------56328C97880EEF9DEEDEA520" List-Unsubscribe: --------------56328C97880EEF9DEEDEA520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the 760X series will accept ONE 32meg and ONE 64meg DIMM.. the 64meg DIMM goes in the socket nearest the edge of the machine and when a 64meg part is used therein, there is a small switch that must be moved to the other position.. Dirk Neumann wrote: > Hello, > many thanks to you all, > now I know that I'm a happy 760XD -user > (with the fan and the grille in the middle of the back, the memory is > accessed by removing the HDD, and maybe 104megs) > > Is there someone who use 104megs on a 760XD ? > > > -- > Dirk Neumann > Tel.: +49 9632 - 502 247 / ICQ 33369348 > > D-95692 Konnersreuth > (Germany / Bavaria) > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------56328C97880EEF9DEEDEA520 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the 760X series will accept ONE 32meg and ONE 64meg DIMM..
the 64meg DIMM goes in the socket nearest the edge of the machine and when a 64meg part is used therein, there is a small switch that must be moved to the other position..

Dirk Neumann wrote:

 Hello,
many thanks to you all,
now I know that I'm a happy 760XD -user
(with the fan and the grille in the middle of the back, the memory is accessed by removing the HDD, and maybe 104megs)

Is there someone who use 104megs on a 760XD ?
 

--
Dirk Neumann
Tel.: +49 9632 - 502 247 / ICQ 33369348

D-95692 Konnersreuth
(Germany / Bavaria)
 

 

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net
770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------56328C97880EEF9DEEDEA520-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 17:37:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA17446 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12794; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 17:34:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12288; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12272; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 17:34:19 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl5-21.gate.net [199.227.131.21]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA322496; Tue, 4 May 1999 17:35:22 -0400 Message-ID: <372F67C8.906703E6@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:34:00 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Emanuel Brown CC: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 Battery Latch References: <373c6125.76128293@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Two words.. :-) Solder, Duct Tape.. HEEE, heheheh..... Emanuel Brown wrote: > The latch on my 701 broke and now the battery keeps sliding free. I've > avoided opening the entire system so far, and I'd like to keep it that way > :-) Has anyone replaced one or know of a fix for holding the battery in > without it that doesn't make the system look like something from Mary > Shelley's imagination? I rarely remove the darn battery anyway, so it's > more important to hold it in than get it out in my case. > epbrown > Portable Computing FAQ - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01 > Sony VAIO 505 info - http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html > Join the 505 Mailing List - http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/sony505 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 21:09:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA19042 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23057; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 21:05:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22891; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22878; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:04:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 21:04:58 -0400 Received: from sover.net (pm2a21.ben.sover.net [207.136.200.85]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA03200 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905050104.VAA03200@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from pm2a21.ben.sover.net [207.136.200.85] 207.136.200.85 Tue, 4 May 1999 21:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:40:44 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <372F66FD.9057637D@icanect.net> Subject: Re: Thinkpad Retail where? Plastic? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >The 700 series.. (700 through 770) are not plastic, but some other >material.. i forget what its called... >most likely some sort of carbon fiber material thats lighter and stronger >than "mere" plastic.. >then the paint is a rubberized material.. >i understand that IBM spent some time developing this paint.. The TP600 is also made with carbon fiber material. (At least the newest ones). _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 21:51:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA19354 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25589; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 21:49:36 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25433; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 21:49:34 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id VAA23364 for dist-thinkpad; Tue, 4 May 1999 21:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01045; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 15:43:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24780 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:43:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:43:31 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: TP List Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <000201be9663$5852c260$5712efc7@ssh.servicemetrics.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 4 May 1999, Steve Hultquist wrote: > > The Rolls Royce version of this is the new Computer Organizer bags by Tumi > (http://www.tumi.com). Tumi licensed the Port technology, and use the new > version that actually has *two* slings. I have dropped a Thinkpad from 30" > inside my old Thinkpad/Port case without a problem. I have dropped Thinkpads from 30" without a case without a problem. The only time something broke was when I dropped my 701 onto a tile floor in the bathroom. Otherwise, I've dropped my 701 and 750 and 560 onto hardwood floors and carpets (unintentionally) without damage (though it crashed Linux once and Windows once). -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 4 23:59:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA20301 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 23:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01201; Tue, 4 May 1999 23:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 May 1999 23:55:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01044; Tue, 4 May 1999 23:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01020; Tue, 4 May 1999 23:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 23:55:40 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl8-53.gate.net [199.227.20.116]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA324252; Tue, 4 May 1999 23:56:47 -0400 Message-ID: <372FC12B.2A6E8E9C@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 23:55:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim CC: TP List Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John.. WHAT..!!?? you mean Windows actually CRASHED..!! i don't believe it..!! :-) John Kim wrote: > On Tue, 4 May 1999, Steve Hultquist wrote: > > > > The Rolls Royce version of this is the new Computer Organizer bags by Tumi > > (http://www.tumi.com). Tumi licensed the Port technology, and use the new > > version that actually has *two* slings. I have dropped a Thinkpad from 30" > > inside my old Thinkpad/Port case without a problem. > > I have dropped Thinkpads from 30" without a case without a > problem. The only time something broke was when I dropped my > 701 onto a tile floor in the bathroom. Otherwise, I've > dropped my 701 and 750 and 560 onto hardwood floors and > carpets (unintentionally) without damage (though it crashed > Linux once and Windows once). > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 00:22:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20472 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 00:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02571; Wed, 5 May 1999 00:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 00:17:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02477; Wed, 5 May 1999 00:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02439; Wed, 5 May 1999 00:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 00:16:48 -0400 Received: from thomsonp (client-151-200-120-236.bellatlantic.net [151.200.120.236]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA15707 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 00:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001201be96ae$4d143b40$ec78c897@thomsonp> From: "Paul Thomson" To: References: <005301be9619$df7ccf00$657dc897@thomsonp> <372F12CF.E1C3E7D5@icanect.net> Subject: Re: 760XD won't do 80mb Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:18:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: OK, this has "setup" written all over it, but here goes...:) What tiny little switch? >sure sounds like bad memory..! >or, possibly, the wrong memory, or not inserted properly, or, in the case of the 760X series, the tiny >switch is in the wrong position.. >>Paul Thomson wrote: >> I have a 760XD that runs perfectly with 64mb RAM, but bumping it to 80mb results in Windows >>Protection errors and a restore backup registry prompt upon booting with my Win95 drive. My NT4 >>drive boots to a blue screen. I've switched out the 32mb modules, and swapped mem slots, all work fine >>as long as I stay at 64mb or less. I know I've put 80mb in a 760ED. Any ideas? Thanks, Paul -- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 01:06:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA20760 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 01:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04965; Wed, 5 May 1999 01:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 01:04:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04793; Wed, 5 May 1999 01:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04779; Wed, 5 May 1999 01:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 01:04:30 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl8-53.gate.net [199.227.20.116]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA270224; Wed, 5 May 1999 01:05:40 -0400 Message-ID: <372FD150.7662B609@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 01:04:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Thomson CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760XD won't do 80mb References: <005301be9619$df7ccf00$657dc897@thomsonp> <372F12CF.E1C3E7D5@icanect.net> <001201be96ae$4d143b40$ec78c897@thomsonp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul.. Paul Thomson wrote: > OK, this has "setup" written all over it, but here goes...:) Heheh... :-) > > > What tiny little switch? > there is a tiny switch under the HDD, next to the DIMM sockets.. one direction enables a 32meg DIMM in the outboard DIMM socket, the other direction enables a 64meg DIMM in the same socket..theres a bit of history attached to this, but suffice it to say thats what the switch is for.. :-)note: the switch affects ONLY the outboard DIMM socket.. > >sure sounds like bad memory..! > >or, possibly, the wrong memory, or not inserted properly, or, in the case > of the 760X series, the tiny >switch is in the wrong position.. > > >>Paul Thomson wrote: > >> I have a 760XD that runs perfectly with 64mb RAM, but bumping it to 80mb > results in Windows >>Protection errors and a restore backup registry prompt > upon booting with my Win95 drive. My NT4 >>drive boots to a blue screen. > I've switched out the 32mb modules, and swapped mem slots, all work fine > >>as long as I stay at 64mb or less. I know I've put 80mb in a 760ED. Any > ideas? Thanks, Paul > > -- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 12:50:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA25208 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 12:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21944; Wed, 5 May 1999 12:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 12:47:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21631; Wed, 5 May 1999 12:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21597; Wed, 5 May 1999 12:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 12:46:47 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg130-063.ricochet.net [204.179.130.63]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA12075; Wed, 5 May 1999 11:46:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Randal Whittle" , "LightSide" , "TP List" Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 09:46:39 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01be9716$d8856c90$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990504102617.01d04c50@rcf.usc.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > The beauty of most of the Port cases is that they cradle > your notebook in > a "sling" with dead air underneath. This allows a *lot* more leeway when > or if you should drop the thing, as foam pads compress and don't allow as > much "give" to protect the computer. But beware! The Port sling suspension is fastened by two hard plastic buckles. There is *nothing* separating these buckles from the top of your computer. It doesn't take much pressure to push the buckles into your computer and scratch its case. My TP600 has a nice pair of Port scratches. Port's own website illustrates the problem: http://www.port.com/docs/thstand2.htm Note how the buckles are right next to the computer, and note also how the case's inside pockets are stuffed full. Now set that case flat, with the computer on the bottom and the pockets on the top, and drive around a while. The weight from the stuff in the pockets will push the buckles into your computer and scratch it. If anyone does get a Port sling case, there is a simple fix. Keep a small cotton dishtowel in the case and use it to protect the computer from the buckles. The towel comes in handy to clean your screen anyway. It would have been trivial for Port to avoid this problem completely. Note that there is a large flap covering part of the computer. They could have arranged the straps so that the buckles would always be next to this flap instead of right next to your computer. That they didn't do this is sheer idiocy and irresponsible design. -Mike Looking for a Geary? We're at Geary Central: http://Geary.com/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 13:09:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25432 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23727; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 13:08:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23528; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23507; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 13:07:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA31906 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:07:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 13:07:45 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Retail where? Plastic? In-Reply-To: <372F66FD.9057637D@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 4 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > The 700 series.. (700 through 770) are not plastic, but some other > material.. i forget what its called... > most likely some sort of carbon fiber material thats lighter and stronger > than "mere" plastic.. > then the paint is a rubberized material.. > i understand that IBM spent some time developing this paint.. CFRP (Carbon Fiber Reinforced Polymer) is usually what it's called in the composite materials industry. I'd be curious though if they're using polyester (which is cheap) or epoxy (which is expensive but better). It is basically plastic with fibers mixed in to add strength. Like adding straw to mud bricks. > note that "mere" plastic is an amazing and wonderful material and was quite > expensive when it was being developed some years ago.. > the 560 is a nice example.. > > plastic has become synonomous with cheap, when it should really not be > so... :-) With the thin form factor becoming more popular, the problem with plastics and composites is that they're both very flexible. That's why the ultralights had to go with magnesium (metal) alloy cases. Metals are much stiffer for a given strength. The downside of that is that if you hit metal hard (like drop your notebook), it deforms (dents). The "cheap feel" of plastic means it'll just bend and spring back, as some automakers have discovered with their dingless door panels. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 13:17:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25535 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24394; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 13:12:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24154; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24125; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 13:12:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA31949 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:12:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 13:12:35 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: TP List Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <372FC12B.2A6E8E9C@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 4 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > John.. > WHAT..!!?? > you mean Windows actually CRASHED..!! i don't believe it..!! :-) Heh heh. In both cases I attribute the crashes to the hard drive generating a read error which crashed the system. Whether this is a read error the OS is incapable of handling, or the hard drive sensing the impact and shutting itself down to prevent damage, I don't know. I've done it to my desktop system once when I accidently kicked it. In all cases, everything worked fine after rebooting. A testament to the ruggedness of today's computer hardware. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 13:46:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25911 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27598; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 13:43:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27493; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27479; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 13:43:21 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08261; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <3730832A.3B3BA48A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:43:06 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.7-nfsv3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: Randal Whittle , LightSide , TP List Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases References: <002f01be9716$d8856c90$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Please note that not all Port cases suffer from the buckle problem Michael Geary mentions. In particular, the ThinkPad Sport Case does not have buckles at all. With this case the laptop slides into it from the side; it does not open like traditional laptop cases. I've been using this case for over two years now and love it. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 13:47:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA25930 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27247; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 13:39:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26760; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.cutaway.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26702; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.cutaway.com (209.192.212.66 -> cutaway.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 13:39:08 -0400 Received: from cutaway.com (mtr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.cutaway.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA22816; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:39:02 -0400 Sender: mtr@cutaway.com Message-ID: <37308236.43D337FD@cutaway.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:39:02 -0400 From: Michael Rowan Reply-To: mtr@cutaway.com Organization: CastleRock Consulting Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim CC: TP List Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John Kim wrote: > > On Tue, 4 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > John.. > > WHAT..!!?? > > you mean Windows actually CRASHED..!! i don't believe it..!! :-) > > Heh heh. In both cases I attribute the crashes to the hard > drive generating a read error which crashed the system. > Whether this is a read error the OS is incapable of handling, > or the hard drive sensing the impact and shutting itself down > to prevent damage, I don't know. I've done it to my desktop > system once when I accidently kicked it. > Ohhh, I've done that, although I would hesitate to use the word "accidently". From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 14:13:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA26290 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00412; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 14:10:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29973; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cask.force9.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29939; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cask.force9.net (195.166.128.29 -> cask.force9.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 14:10:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 19080 invoked from network); 5 May 1999 18:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 5 May 1999 18:08:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 9246 invoked from network); 5 May 1999 18:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sierpinski) (212.56.120.49) by softdnserror with SMTP; 5 May 1999 18:02:59 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01be9722$944848c0$317838d4@sierpinski> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: References: <372F5A4C.7C995591@pa.msu.edu> <372F66FD.9057637D@icanect.net> Subject: Plastic thinkpads (was: Re: Thinkpad Retail where? Plastic?) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 19:08:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: > note that "mere" plastic is an amazing and wonderful material and was quite > expensive when it was being developed some years ago.. > the 560 is a nice example.. > > plastic has become synonomous with cheap, when it should really not be > so... :-) Nevertheless, IBM does not warrant the plastic parts of the computer. When the top part of the latch on my 560 recently broke (while the machine was very carefully packed!), IBM wouldn't fix it on the grounds that (a) it was plastic, and (b) only the bottom part of the latch is actually 'latch' - the top part is, er, other than latch. My next machine will likely be made of alloy. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 15:04:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA26957 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05383; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 15:00:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05087; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.leopard.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05051; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.leopard.com (199.239.18.2 -> smtp.leopard.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 14:59:40 -0400 Received: from ssh (needToKnowBasis.leopard.com [199.239.18.87] (may be forged)) by smtp.leopard.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA25521; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:07:52 -0600 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: , "Michael Geary" Cc: "Randal Whittle" , "LightSide" , "TP List" Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:59:16 -0600 Message-ID: <000101be9729$5f5f7fa0$5712efc7@ssh.servicemetrics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <3730832A.3B3BA48A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 List-Unsubscribe: Nor do either of mine: the Thinkpad Leather case or the Tumi case I just bought... >-----Original Message----- >From: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu [mailto:ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 11:43 AM >To: Michael Geary >Cc: Randal Whittle; LightSide; TP List >Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases > > >Please note that not all Port cases suffer from the buckle problem >Michael Geary mentions. In particular, the ThinkPad Sport Case does not >have buckles at all. With this case the laptop slides into it from the >side; it does not open like traditional laptop cases. I've been using >this case for over two years now and love it. > >--Lee Hetherington > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 15:11:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA27061 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05905; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 15:04:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05647; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05532; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 15:03:44 -0400 Received: from Stan.hous.ttu.edu ([129.118.198.183]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990505190335.GQAT18677@Stan.hous.ttu.edu> for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 19:03:35 +0000 Message-ID: <002701be972a$80eeb220$b7c67681@Stan.hous.ttu.edu> From: "Stanley Chen" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 14:07:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: >> The beauty of most of the Port cases is that they cradle >> your notebook in >> a "sling" with dead air underneath. This allows a *lot* more leeway when >> or if you should drop the thing, as foam pads compress and don't allow as >> much "give" to protect the computer. > >But beware! The Port sling suspension is fastened by two hard plastic >buckles. There is *nothing* separating these buckles from the top of your >computer. It doesn't take much pressure to push the buckles into your >computer and scratch its case. My TP600 has a nice pair of Port scratches. > Actually, I have one of those offending Port cases and have read about the horrors of the "buckle scratches" so I turn the computer face down when I put it in the case. The buckles not only are over the bottom, but at least one is over the battery which is made of a different substance and not so prone to scratching. Apart for that I've been extremely pleased with the Port standard case that I bought for $15 at a II Byte corporate surplus outlet store. Stanley Chen Texas Tech University >Port's own website illustrates the problem: > >http://www.port.com/docs/thstand2.htm > >Note how the buckles are right next to the computer, and note also how the >case's inside pockets are stuffed full. Now set that case flat, with the >computer on the bottom and the pockets on the top, and drive around a while. >The weight from the stuff in the pockets will push the buckles into your >computer and scratch it. > >If anyone does get a Port sling case, there is a simple fix. Keep a small >cotton dishtowel in the case and use it to protect the computer from the >buckles. The towel comes in handy to clean your screen anyway. > >It would have been trivial for Port to avoid this problem completely. Note >that there is a large flap covering part of the computer. They could have >arranged the straps so that the buckles would always be next to this flap >instead of right next to your computer. That they didn't do this is sheer >idiocy and irresponsible design. > >-Mike > >Looking for a Geary? We're at Geary Central: http://Geary.com/ > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 15:13:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA27079 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06656; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 15:09:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06409; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06388; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov (128.183.50.20 -> wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 15:09:46 -0400 Received: from dhelfrich.gsfc.nasa.gov (dhelfrich.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.215.1]) by wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25400; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003501be972a$8fe199a0$01d7b780@dhelfrich.gsfc.nasa.gov> From: "Dan Helfrich" To: "I Lee Hetherington" , "Michael Geary" Cc: "Randal Whittle" , "LightSide" , "TP List" Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:07:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Indeed, my Port carrying case has the buckles but they seem to be properly positioned relative to the cradle material so that there are no marks on my TP600 after months of use. Then again, I haven't piled heavy items on top of my carrying case while travelling. 99% of the time it's on the road, my case sits upright on the floor directly behind my seat in the car. This orientation makes best use of the case's suspension system. For the record: I have the TP69600-1.8 carrying case, and while it's big, it has served me very well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel D. Helfrich, Landsat Mechanical Systems Engineer, Landsat Project NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Code 543, Greenbelt, Maryland, USA 20771 phone: (301)286-8481 fax: (301)286-1744 email: helfrich@gsfc.nasa.gov -----Original Message----- From: I Lee Hetherington To: Michael Geary Cc: Randal Whittle ; LightSide ; TP List Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 1:45 PM Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases >Please note that not all Port cases suffer from the buckle problem >Michael Geary mentions. In particular, the ThinkPad Sport Case does not >have buckles at all. With this case the laptop slides into it from the >side; it does not open like traditional laptop cases. I've been using >this case for over two years now and love it. > >--Lee Hetherington > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 15:22:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA27222 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08014; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 15:18:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07707; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07684; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 15:18:41 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg130-063.ricochet.net [204.179.130.63]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA09325; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:18:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Dan Helfrich" , "I Lee Hetherington" Cc: "Randal Whittle" , "LightSide" , "TP List" Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:18:28 -0700 Message-ID: <003201be972c$0e61d3c0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <003501be972a$8fe199a0$01d7b780@dhelfrich.gsfc.nasa.gov> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > Indeed, my Port carrying case has the buckles but they seem to be properly > positioned relative to the cradle material so that there are no > marks on my > TP600 after months of use. Then again, I haven't piled heavy items on top > of my carrying case while travelling. 99% of the time it's on > the road, my > case sits upright on the floor directly behind my seat in the car. This > orientation makes best use of the case's suspension system. Yes, that's an excellent point, and that's exactly where I put the case in my car too. If you have the sling suspension, always transport the case standing up! The damage my TP600 received happened when I drove some distance with the case flat on the floor instead of standing up. -Mike From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 16:24:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA28214 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13613; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 16:21:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07120; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06788; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 15:11:58 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg130-063.ricochet.net [204.179.130.63]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA08287; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:11:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: Cc: "Randal Whittle" , "LightSide" , "TP List" Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:11:41 -0700 Message-ID: <003101be972b$1b95c2a0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3730832A.3B3BA48A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > Please note that not all Port cases suffer from the buckle problem > Michael Geary mentions. In particular, the ThinkPad Sport Case does not > have buckles at all. With this case the laptop slides into it from the > side; it does not open like traditional laptop cases. I've been using > this case for over two years now and love it. That's right, the Sport case uses the air cushion suspension, not the sling. When you look through the case listings at www.port.inc, you will see which suspension each case uses. From my own experience, I strongly recommend against the sling suspension. The air cushion sounds like a much better setup, and it also happens to be similar to what other major case manufacturers like Tenba and Targus use. I've always liked Tenba camera bags a lot; I'm tempted to try one of their computer cases or backpacks sometime. -Mike Looking for a Geary? We're at Geary Central: http://Geary.com/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 17:40:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA29049 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 17:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19730; Wed, 5 May 1999 17:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 17:38:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19515; Wed, 5 May 1999 17:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19500; Wed, 5 May 1999 17:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 17:38:49 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11017; Wed, 5 May 1999 17:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <3730BA56.1331146A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 17:38:30 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.7-nfsv3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: Randal Whittle , LightSide , TP List Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases References: <003101be972b$1b95c2a0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My ThinkPad Sport case has the sling and not the air cushion suspension. I bought it January 1998. Perhaps they changed it? --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 18:02:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29189 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 18:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21436; Wed, 5 May 1999 18:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 18:00:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21247; Wed, 5 May 1999 18:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21221; Wed, 5 May 1999 18:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 18:00:39 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl5-3.gate.net [199.227.131.3]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA176886; Wed, 5 May 1999 18:01:52 -0400 Message-ID: <3730BF7E.39BC0022@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 18:00:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Retail where? Plastic? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John.. John Kim wrote: > On Tue, 4 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > The 700 series.. (700 through 770) are not plastic, but some other > > material.. i forget what its called... > > most likely some sort of carbon fiber material thats lighter and stronger > > than "mere" plastic.. > > then the paint is a rubberized material.. > > i understand that IBM spent some time developing this paint.. > > CFRP (Carbon Fiber Reinforced Polymer) is usually what it's > called in the composite materials industry. I'd be curious > though if they're using polyester (which is cheap) or epoxy > (which is expensive but better). It is basically plastic with > fibers mixed in to add strength. Like adding straw to mud > bricks. mud bricks..!!! HOW CAN YOU relate a beautiful thinkpad to a mud brick..!! :-)) okok, uhh, i don't know which material they use.. i DO know the difference between polyester and epoxy since my boat was made of epoxy (hellishly strong) and i used epoxy to bond the lifting points to a GRP tender.. for strength and resistance to the effects of the sun.. i would suspect that IBM uses epoxy since the price differential in one case is trivial.. > > > > note that "mere" plastic is an amazing and wonderful material and was quite > > expensive when it was being developed some years ago.. > > the 560 is a nice example.. > > > > plastic has become synonomous with cheap, when it should really not be > > so... :-) > > With the thin form factor becoming more popular, the problem > with plastics and composites is that they're both very > flexible. That's why the ultralights had to go with magnesium > (metal) alloy cases. Metals are much stiffer for a given > strength. The downside of that is that if you hit metal hard > (like drop your notebook), it deforms (dents). The "cheap > feel" of plastic means it'll just bend and spring back, as > some automakers have discovered with their dingless door > panels. > i think of it as memory effect..the metal forgets and the plastic remembers.. GRP just shatters under sufficient impact.. but that impact would need to be high.. note that IBM service people will give you an argument if you break a case or the like.. fair or not, they don't want to replace it if you break it.. the755CD is a good case in point.. the flimsy bar across the top of the CD would tend to break if the CD was removed without being careful.. so much for the strength of materials discussion... :-) you WILL be tested on this subject..! hehehehhh... > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 18:28:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29394 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 18:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14426; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 16:28:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14193; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14169; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 16:28:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA16598; Wed, 5 May 1999 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Geary cc: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu, Randal Whittle , LightSide , TP List Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <003101be972b$1b95c2a0$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 5 May 1999, Michael Geary wrote: > > Please note that not all Port cases suffer from the buckle problem > > Michael Geary mentions. In particular, the ThinkPad Sport Case does not > > have buckles at all. With this case the laptop slides into it from the > > side; it does not open like traditional laptop cases. I've been using > > this case for over two years now and love it. > > That's right, the Sport case uses the air cushion suspension, not the sling. I got a free case from IBM as part of a promotion for the 385ED and it says Port on it... It's a slip in sling but the strap is a stretchable velcro and doesn't have the buckles. > When you look through the case listings at www.port.inc, you will see which > suspension each case uses. From my own experience, I strongly recommend > against the sling suspension. The air cushion sounds like a much better > setup, and it also happens to be similar to what other major case > manufacturers like Tenba and Targus use. Hmmm, how do the air cushion that Targus uses compare to Ports air cushion since as I recall, Port is now part of Targus. > I've always liked Tenba camera bags a lot; I'm tempted to try one of their > computer cases or backpacks sometime. Hmmm, are there any lightweight cases that are good? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 18:58:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29650 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 18:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25354; Wed, 5 May 1999 18:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 18:55:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25150; Wed, 5 May 1999 18:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25129; Wed, 5 May 1999 18:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (165.87.194.229 -> out2.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 18:55:47 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip166-72-104-29.nj.us.ibm.net [166.72.104.29]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA26924; Wed, 5 May 1999 22:55:29 GMT Message-ID: <004001be974b$294b61a0$1d6848a6@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Bill Morrow" , "John Kim" Cc: References: <3730BF7E.39BC0022@icanect.net> Subject: Re: Thinkpad Retail where? Plastic? Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 19:01:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I recently purchased the Port 770 deluxe case after trying several others. I had problems finding one that had enough room to accomodate all that I needed ie. accessories and files etc. It is not leather but koskin. I did not think that I would be pleased with the look but it is rather nice with a leather feel and look. The downside is the weight, 5.5 lbs. It uses the air cushion and provided more than adequate protection. Onsale has it for $77.00 Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morrow To: John Kim Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Thinkpad Retail where? Plastic? > John.. > > John Kim wrote: > > > On Tue, 4 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > The 700 series.. (700 through 770) are not plastic, but some other > > > material.. i forget what its called... > > > most likely some sort of carbon fiber material thats lighter and stronger > > > than "mere" plastic.. > > > then the paint is a rubberized material.. > > > i understand that IBM spent some time developing this paint.. > > > > CFRP (Carbon Fiber Reinforced Polymer) is usually what it's > > called in the composite materials industry. I'd be curious > > though if they're using polyester (which is cheap) or epoxy > > (which is expensive but better). It is basically plastic with > > fibers mixed in to add strength. Like adding straw to mud > > bricks. > > mud bricks..!!! HOW CAN YOU relate a beautiful thinkpad to a mud brick..!! :-)) > > okok, uhh, i don't know which material they use.. > i DO know the difference between polyester and epoxy since my boat was made of > epoxy (hellishly strong) and i used epoxy to bond the lifting points to a GRP > tender.. for strength and resistance to the effects of the sun.. > > i would suspect that IBM uses epoxy since the price differential in one case is > trivial.. > > > > > > > > > note that "mere" plastic is an amazing and wonderful material and was quite > > > expensive when it was being developed some years ago.. > > > the 560 is a nice example.. > > > > > > plastic has become synonomous with cheap, when it should really not be > > > so... :-) > > > > With the thin form factor becoming more popular, the problem > > with plastics and composites is that they're both very > > flexible. That's why the ultralights had to go with magnesium > > (metal) alloy cases. Metals are much stiffer for a given > > strength. The downside of that is that if you hit metal hard > > (like drop your notebook), it deforms (dents). The "cheap > > feel" of plastic means it'll just bend and spring back, as > > some automakers have discovered with their dingless door > > panels. > > > > i think of it as memory effect..the metal forgets and the plastic remembers.. > GRP just shatters under sufficient impact.. but that impact would need to be > high.. > > note that IBM service people will give you an argument if you break a case or the > like.. > fair or not, they don't want to replace it if you break it.. the755CD is a good > case in point.. the flimsy bar across the top of the CD would tend to break if > the CD was removed without being careful.. > > so much for the strength of materials discussion... :-) > you WILL be tested on this subject..! > hehehehhh... > > > > -- > > John H. Kim > > kim@stormhaven.org > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 19:40:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA29985 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 19:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28051; Wed, 5 May 1999 19:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 19:39:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27863; Wed, 5 May 1999 19:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27845; Wed, 5 May 1999 19:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (165.87.194.229 -> out2.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 19:38:58 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip166-72-104-29.nj.us.ibm.net [166.72.104.29]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA85506 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 23:38:53 GMT Message-ID: <007e01be9751$38b0ab40$1d6848a6@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: Subject: Re: Thinkpad Plastic? Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 19:44:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: If you want to read the specifics here it is: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/infobrf/case.html Don ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Thinkpad Retail where? Plastic? > >The 700 series.. (700 through 770) are not plastic, but some other > >material.. i forget what its called... > >most likely some sort of carbon fiber material thats lighter and stronger > >than "mere" plastic.. > >then the paint is a rubberized material.. > >i understand that IBM spent some time developing this paint.. > > The TP600 is also made with carbon fiber material. (At least the newest > ones). > > _____________ > letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 19:42:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA29993 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 19:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28464; Wed, 5 May 1999 19:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 19:40:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28097; Wed, 5 May 1999 19:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28054; Wed, 5 May 1999 19:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (165.87.194.229 -> out2.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 19:39:56 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip166-72-104-29.nj.us.ibm.net [166.72.104.29]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA51380 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 23:39:46 GMT Message-ID: <008801be9751$582f69c0$1d6848a6@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: References: <3730BF7E.39BC0022@icanect.net> <004001be974b$294b61a0$1d6848a6@thinkpad> Subject: Re: Linux Support? Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 19:45:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: In the IBM press release on 5/1 they stated that they will support Linux on the PC 300 corporate systems, thinkpads etc.. Someone on this group had mentioned they had read that IBM would probably support linux on the low end thinkpads. I think it will actually be on the high end systems first. If they are targeting corporate systems as potential users of linux then 'corporate thinkpads' is where we should see support first. I sure hope they support it and really play an active role in developing linux. If IBM would port its GUI from OS/2 to linux then linux will have a chance at becoming mainstream. Here's the press release for those who haven't read it yet: http://www2.software.ibm.com/news/pressreview.nsf/3beb8130b9270d1c852566f100 653c71/dea1db5155a11c5200256766005802a3?OpenDocument Don From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 5 20:04:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA00241 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 20:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00281; Wed, 5 May 1999 20:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 May 1999 20:03:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00151; Wed, 5 May 1999 20:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wilson.acpub.duke.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00138; Wed, 5 May 1999 20:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wilson.acpub.duke.edu (152.3.233.69 -> wilson.acpub.duke.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 May 1999 20:03:22 -0400 Received: from Wonseok (res-152-16-198-246.dorm.duke.edu [152.16.198.246]) by wilson.acpub.duke.edu (8.8.5/Duke-4.6.0) with SMTP id UAA10233; Wed, 5 May 1999 20:03:18 -0400 (EDT) From: WonSeok Choi To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: (TP 570) accessories Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:06:08 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.5 Build (43) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I'm actually a newbie in ThinkPads but I'm considering a TP570. I'm just wondering if anyone here has any shopping experience at Time Trend (www.timetrend.com). They do have some of the lower prices (well..buying a ThinkPad, price is not the main point, but cheaper is cheaper). Otherwise it might be another bargain on-line vendor with poor service and delivery even if it is a IBM Partner. Where do you guys then get your accessories for the thinkpads (especially for tp570)?..there are quite a lot of additional things going into this sub-notebook: -CD-ROM/DVD-ROM, -Margi card (if I want to see movies..probably not) -Ultrabase -Etherjet 10/100 PC Card That's quite a big list multiplying the highly priced TP570 quite substantially to around $4,000 (maybe this is the norm for thinkpads).. Well..i have been too talkative to this point.. where do you guys get your parts and where are some recommended places..please help this newbie out. I would appreciate it. Cheers. Won ---------------------- WonSeok Choi wc6@duke.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 6 02:25:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA03072 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 02:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13868; Thu, 6 May 1999 02:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 May 1999 02:18:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13490; Thu, 6 May 1999 02:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13476; Thu, 6 May 1999 02:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 May 1999 02:18:41 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pC19F08BC.dip.t-online.de [193.159.8.188]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id J2GYV056; Thu, 6 May 1999 02:11:19 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "WonSeok Choi" , Subject: RE: (TP 570) accessories Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 08:18:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Hi to Won - and all, I am also new to this mailing list. I bought my 770ED around the middle of Dec. and have honestly never been more pleased with a laptop. Of course, the one I bought is an absolute powerhouse (P II 266, 128 MB RAM, 8.1 Gig HD, DVD w/ Hdware Decoder, 14.1" TFT screen, 10/100 Etherjet PC-Card, etc.), but I bought it after doing quite a bit of research and asking a lot of Thinkpad owners what they thought of their laptop. Within the last 18 months, I have had a Compaq, Gateway, and access to a Dell. Dell came the closest to this one - which is a story in itself - but I am most pleased with my IBM. I bought my IBM for two things - and paid for it, but it has proven worthwhile on more than one occasion - Service and Quality. Anyway, because I buy most of my equipment through the net, I thought I might be able to answer your question. Opinion: Stay with a reputable online dealer - ask of people who buy a lot online. If you come to rely on your TP like I do (practically the 2nd half of my brain - ask my girlfriend), you will really be happy if you go with someone who can help you in pretty much any situation. (When I talk about service, I mean going to the extent of wiping my "sweated brow" while trying to fix a problem - which you can have many of when trying to run Win 95, 98, NT 4.0, and Linux on the same "box".) I travel a lot and required just as good of international service as I would get when in the US (you would be surprised how many outfits offer international service, but when it comes to doing something they don't understand how tricky import laws and tariffs can be - especially to Europe, not an uncommon traveling zone). Most of the main support comes from IBM itself (IF bought from an IBM partner), but it is also nice to have the help of the company where you bought your equipment, too. I have come to rely on CDW (Computer Discount Warehouse - www.cdw.com) so much so that I am on a first name - voice recognition - basis with my sales manager. As a person who works in the world of Academia, I know how important price can be, but I have found that there tends to be a correlation between cut-throat prices and service. I watch prices quite a bit, and CDW (also Warehouse.com - for PCs www.microwarehouse.com) are very competitive while remaining in the business of advertising a product they actually have in stock at a low price and their quality of sales and technical support. You may get a good price somewhere else, but watch out for sites even like Buy.com, where they advertise things at such a low price and then either won't have it in stock for 2 weeks (unacceptable - I want the thing yesterday when I finally decide to buy - c'mon, "boys and their toys...") or have overpriced shipping and handling costs (my experience with a Palm IIIx - good price, but not in stock and high shipping costs...). So, my suggestion is either through IBM itself (your prices will be higher, however, than with an IBM partner - don't ask me why), CDW, or Microwarehouse. Sorry for being long-winded myself (did I mention that I study/ied philosophy?). Steve ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Assistant Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) ________________________________________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: WonSeok Choi [mailto:wc6@duke.edu] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 8:06 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: (TP 570) accessories I'm actually a newbie in ThinkPads but I'm considering a TP570. I'm just wondering if anyone here has any shopping experience at Time Trend (www.timetrend.com). They do have some of the lower prices (well..buying a ThinkPad, price is not the main point, but cheaper is cheaper). Otherwise it might be another bargain on-line vendor with poor service and delivery even if it is a IBM Partner. Where do you guys then get your accessories for the thinkpads (especially for tp570)?..there are quite a lot of additional things going into this sub-notebook: -CD-ROM/DVD-ROM, -Margi card (if I want to see movies..probably not) -Ultrabase -Etherjet 10/100 PC Card That's quite a big list multiplying the highly priced TP570 quite substantially to around $4,000 (maybe this is the norm for thinkpads).. Well..i have been too talkative to this point.. where do you guys get your parts and where are some recommended places..please help this newbie out. I would appreciate it. Cheers. Won ---------------------- WonSeok Choi wc6@duke.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 6 05:03:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA03811 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 05:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20637; Thu, 6 May 1999 05:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 May 1999 05:00:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20425; Thu, 6 May 1999 05:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20401; Thu, 6 May 1999 05:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (204.201.18.52 -> lucy.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 May 1999 05:00:46 -0400 Received: from seawesta-79.az.com (seawesta-79.az.com [204.201.18.79]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA03569 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 02:00:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199905060900.CAA03569@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Fri, 07 May 99 02:04:32 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 04 May 1999 10:47:55 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 03:00 AM 5/5/99 -0800, you wrote: >>I need a case that will protect the TP very well. Will handle the following >>accessories that I must keep with me: > > You make quite a list there. :-) I have to have it. Well I guess I don't *HAVE* to carry the port replicator, but it does charge a battery as well as the TP. But at school I'm not alway by an availible electrical outlet. So i have to be able to work a good 8 hours if need be. So at 2 hours per battery, I can acomplish that. True, I have yet to have to use all 4 in one day, but I have used 3. And it is nice to jack up and plug into an outlet and charge two batteries. :) Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 6 05:10:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA03848 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 05:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21188; Thu, 6 May 1999 05:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 May 1999 05:07:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20912; Thu, 6 May 1999 05:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20890; Thu, 6 May 1999 05:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (204.201.18.52 -> lucy.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 May 1999 05:07:25 -0400 Received: from seawesta-79.az.com (seawesta-79.az.com [204.201.18.79]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA04126 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 02:07:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199905060907.CAA04126@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Fri, 07 May 99 02:11:14 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ThinkPad Cases List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I want to thank everyone for all the information generated. I will definately look into port.com. But the information about sling/cushion suspension was something I didn't even think about. Again, thank you. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 6 06:10:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA04085 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 06:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01612; Thu, 6 May 1999 06:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 May 1999 06:04:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01489; Thu, 6 May 1999 06:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01476; Thu, 6 May 1999 06:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (195.70.69.190 -> bisgw.blackwell.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 May 1999 06:04:11 -0400 Received: from trss by fnord.blackwell.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 10fL0i-0003GO-00; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:04:08 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux Support? References: <3730BF7E.39BC0022@icanect.net> <004001be974b$294b61a0$1d6848a6@thinkpad> <008801be9751$582f69c0$1d6848a6@thinkpad> From: Robin Stephenson X-Attribution: Robin X-PGP-keyID: 0xA38351BD X-Copyright: Copyright =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A9?= 1999 Robin Stephenson -- all rights reserved. Permission to reproduce attributed copies and extracts granted. X-rfc1876-address: 51 45.2 N 1 16.2 W 58m 0.5m 500m 2m Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 06 May 1999 11:04:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Donald Mak"'s message of "Wed, 5 May 1999 19:45:21 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 40 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: "Robin Stephenson,,01865 792792 x3233,01865 782493" List-Unsubscribe: >>>>> On Wed, 5 May 1999 19:45:21 -0400 >>>>> "Donald" == Donald Mak wrote: Donald> In the IBM press release on 5/1 they stated that they will Donald> support Linux on the PC 300 corporate systems, thinkpads etc.. Surely there must be at least one person who works at IBM lurking on this list..? [...] Donald> I sure hope they support it and really play an active role in Donald> developing linux. If IBM would port its GUI from OS/2 to linux Or indeed if they would just release the source code (under an Open Source license see ) for the OS/2 Workplace Shell. I've had a play with KDE and GNOME, the current front-runners for `standard Linux GUI', and from what I've seen they're not a patch on the object abstractions that WPS seems to provide. CDE is an also-ran -- it's too expensive, and horribly clunky. It was OK when it was HP VUE, but just look at it now! IBM have been dabbling with Open Source for a while now: amongst other things they're helping out with Apache & PostFix (aka IBM Secure Mailer). Perhaps they just *might* think it's a good idea to give WPS a new lease of life as a cross-platform OS/2 & Linux front-end. Donald> then linux will have a chance at becoming mainstream. Hmm. I think this has a very good chance of happening in any case. It's growing seriously fast, and people are doing Real Work on it. Donald> Here's the press release for those who haven't read it yet: Donald> http://www2.software.ibm.com/news/pressreview.nsf/3beb8130b9270d1c852566f100653c71/dea1db5155a11c5200256766005802a3?OpenDocument The IBM linux site is accessible at -- Linux-related press releases are linked from here as they happen. Sorry to have dragged this so far off topic, I'll shut up now. -- Robin Stephenson Glides On Smooth From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 6 10:53:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA06120 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16113; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 May 1999 10:51:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15832; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15819; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 May 1999 10:51:15 -0400 Received: from thomsonp (client-151-200-127-202.bellatlantic.net [151.200.127.202]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA20292; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01be97d0$2615b0a0$ca7fc897@thomsonp> From: "Paul Thomson" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: References: <005301be9619$df7ccf00$657dc897@thomsonp> <372F12CF.E1C3E7D5@icanect.net> <001201be96ae$4d143b40$ec78c897@thomsonp> <372FD150.7662B609@icanect.net> Subject: Re: 760XD won't do 80mb Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:52:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Bill, you were right on the money. A check of the tech manual reveals that the 760XD has 8mb on the system board, and another 8mb on the DIMM carrier. Flipping the switch lets you use a 64mb DIMM, but disables the 8mb on the DIMM carrier. I'm up and running with 64+32+8=104mb. As for the Windows errors, the FAQ on the IBM PCco support site has an article about certain IBM 32mb DIMMS with manufacturing problems causing exactly that. They even have a picture of the bad DIMM in the PDF file, complete with part number which exactly matches the 32mb DIMM I have. Switching to a Goldstar 32megger fixed that problem... The only odd part is that the switch is behind the left DIMM slot, but affects the RIGHT DIMM slot. The 64mb DIMM still reads as 32mb in the left slot. Thanks again.. Paul Paul Thomson IBM Global Services Technical Lead Washington Metro Area Distributed Computing and Deskside Services thomsonp@us.ibm.com paul_thomson@bigfoot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morrow To: Paul Thomson Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 1:04 AM Subject: Re: 760XD won't do 80mb > Paul.. > > > Paul Thomson wrote: > > > OK, this has "setup" written all over it, but here goes...:) > > Heheh... :-) > > > > > > > What tiny little switch? > > > > there is a tiny switch under the HDD, next to the DIMM sockets.. > one direction enables a 32meg DIMM in the outboard DIMM socket, the other > direction enables a 64meg DIMM in the same socket..theres a bit of history > attached to this, but suffice it to say thats what the switch is for.. :-)note: > the switch affects ONLY the outboard DIMM socket.. > > > >sure sounds like bad memory..! > > >or, possibly, the wrong memory, or not inserted properly, or, in the case > > of the 760X series, the tiny >switch is in the wrong position.. > > > > >>Paul Thomson wrote: > > >> I have a 760XD that runs perfectly with 64mb RAM, but bumping it to 80mb > > results in Windows >>Protection errors and a restore backup registry prompt > > upon booting with my Win95 drive. My NT4 >>drive boots to a blue screen. > > I've switched out the 32mb modules, and swapped mem slots, all work fine > > >>as long as I stay at 64mb or less. I know I've put 80mb in a 760ED. Any > > ideas? Thanks, Paul > > > > -- > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 6 11:55:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06725 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21483; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 May 1999 11:53:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21347; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21322; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (140.142.76.8 -> jason02.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 May 1999 11:53:08 -0400 Received: from dante17.u.washington.edu (ranger5@dante17.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.67]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id IAA38532; Thu, 6 May 1999 08:53:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (ranger5@localhost) by dante17.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id IAA66538; Thu, 6 May 1999 08:53:04 -0700 Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 08:53:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Kokaly" To: Donald Mak cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Plastic? In-Reply-To: <007e01be9751$38b0ab40$1d6848a6@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Good link! I had figured they would be concerned with strength and stiffness/weight ratios as well as heat disspation, but totally forgot about EMI limitations. Matt On Wed, 5 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > If you want to read the specifics here it is: > > http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/infobrf/case.html > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 8:40 PM > Subject: Re: Thinkpad Retail where? Plastic? > > > > >The 700 series.. (700 through 770) are not plastic, but some other > > >material.. i forget what its called... > > >most likely some sort of carbon fiber material thats lighter and stronger > > >than "mere" plastic.. > > >then the paint is a rubberized material.. > > >i understand that IBM spent some time developing this paint.. > > > > The TP600 is also made with carbon fiber material. (At least the newest > > ones). > > > > _____________ > > letoured@sover.net > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 6 16:41:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09782 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12664; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 May 1999 16:37:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12376; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12360; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.1.7 -> wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 May 1999 16:37:20 -0400 Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.2.12]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24491 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 22:37:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 6 May 99 22:37:04 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.44); 6 May 99 22:37:01 +0200 Received: from mail.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.97) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.44); 6 May 99 22:36:58 +0200 Received: from babylon5.stelarcom.de (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2] ) by mail.stelarcom.de (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Thu, 6 May 1999 22:38:26 -0100 Message-Id: <199905062238.2636523.7@mail.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 21:47:25 -0500 (MET) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <000c01be97d0$2615b0a0$ca7fc897@thomsonp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760XD won't do 80mb List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 6 May 1999 10:52:59 -0400, Paul Thomson wrote: Hi! >Bill, you were right on the money. A check of the tech manual reveals that >the 760XD has 8mb on the system board, and another 8mb on the DIMM carrier. >Flipping the switch lets you use a 64mb DIMM, but disables the 8mb on the >DIMM carrier. I'm up and running with 64+32+8=104mb. Ok, und just to mention there're some systems arround which will not do 64+16=80MB but only do 64+16+8=88MB. If I switch as said in the manual I don't get it working. Just as a hint for future probs... -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Germany #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or Alexander.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for replies, also if some other adresses may appear. Thanks! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 6 18:37:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA10736 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 18:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20159; Thu, 6 May 1999 18:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 May 1999 18:35:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19958; Thu, 6 May 1999 18:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19945; Thu, 6 May 1999 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 May 1999 18:35:20 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl9-61.gate.net [207.36.213.61]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA86028; Thu, 6 May 1999 18:36:31 -0400 Message-ID: <3732191D.270BA6C6@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 18:35:09 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WonSeok Choi CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Was (TP 570) accessories, now ThinkPad 570 looks GREAT.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Won.. i JUST today got my new IBM reseller Marketing Info Package.. its covered with pics of the 570 and I just sold one to a customer who had been waiting for a 600 to come available.. and another to a fellow in italy.. i hope he'll let me look at it before i send it out tomorrow (friday).. otherwise i may need to actually BUY one for myself.. >from the pics and other descriptions, it sure looks like a great machine.. WonSeok Choi wrote: > I'm actually a newbie in ThinkPads but I'm considering a > TP570. I'm just wondering if anyone here has any shopping > experience at Time Trend (www.timetrend.com). > They do have some of the lower prices (well..buying a > ThinkPad, price is not the main point, but cheaper is > cheaper). Otherwise it might be another bargain on-line > vendor with poor service and delivery even if it is a IBM > Partner. > Where do you guys then get your accessories for the > thinkpads (especially for tp570)?..there are quite a lot of > additional things going into this sub-notebook: > -CD-ROM/DVD-ROM, > -Margi card (if I want to see movies..probably not) > -Ultrabase > -Etherjet 10/100 PC Card > That's quite a big list multiplying the highly priced TP570 > quite substantially to around $4,000 (maybe this is the > norm for thinkpads).. > Well..i have been too talkative to this point.. > where do you guys get your parts and where are some > recommended places..please help this newbie out. I would > appreciate it. > Cheers. > > Won > > ---------------------- > WonSeok Choi > wc6@duke.edu -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 6 19:06:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10954 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21627; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 May 1999 19:05:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21500; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21487; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 May 1999 19:05:28 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-10.gate.net [207.36.212.10]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA222652; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:06:38 -0400 Message-ID: <3732202B.11AEAADF@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 19:05:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Thomson CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760XD won't do 80mb References: <005301be9619$df7ccf00$657dc897@thomsonp> <372F12CF.E1C3E7D5@icanect.net> <001201be96ae$4d143b40$ec78c897@thomsonp> <372FD150.7662B609@icanect.net> <000c01be97d0$2615b0a0$ca7fc897@thomsonp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul.. the story behind this is long and somewhat byzantine.. so lets leave it to the fact that there are 4 memory "lines" on the 760E series.. one for each DIMM socket, one for the 8meg on the planar board and one for the DIMM carrier.. the switch allows the DIMM carrier memory line to be used by the DIMM sockets secong 32meg of the 64meg part.. so it can see the second 32meg of the 64meg part.. (are you getting dizzy now..? ) Paul Thomson wrote: > Bill, you were right on the money. A check of the tech manual reveals that > the 760XD has 8mb on the system board, and another 8mb on the DIMM carrier. > Flipping the switch lets you use a 64mb DIMM, but disables the 8mb on the > DIMM carrier. I'm up and running with 64+32+8=104mb. > > As for the Windows errors, the FAQ on the IBM PCco support site has an > article about certain IBM 32mb DIMMS with manufacturing problems causing > exactly that. They even have a picture of the bad DIMM in the PDF file, > complete with part number which exactly matches the 32mb DIMM I have. > Switching to a Goldstar 32megger fixed that problem... > > The only odd part is that the switch is behind the left DIMM slot, but > affects the RIGHT DIMM slot. The 64mb DIMM still reads as 32mb in the left > slot. > > Thanks again.. > > Paul > > Paul Thomson > IBM Global Services > Technical Lead > Washington Metro Area > Distributed Computing and Deskside Services > thomsonp@us.ibm.com > paul_thomson@bigfoot.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morrow > To: Paul Thomson > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 1:04 AM > Subject: Re: 760XD won't do 80mb > > > Paul.. > > > > > > Paul Thomson wrote: > > > > > OK, this has "setup" written all over it, but here goes...:) > > > > Heheh... :-) > > > > > > > > > > > What tiny little switch? > > > > > > > there is a tiny switch under the HDD, next to the DIMM sockets.. > > one direction enables a 32meg DIMM in the outboard DIMM socket, the other > > direction enables a 64meg DIMM in the same socket..theres a bit of history > > attached to this, but suffice it to say thats what the switch is for.. > :-)note: > > the switch affects ONLY the outboard DIMM socket.. > > > > > >sure sounds like bad memory..! > > > >or, possibly, the wrong memory, or not inserted properly, or, in the > case > > > of the 760X series, the tiny >switch is in the wrong position.. > > > > > > >>Paul Thomson wrote: > > > >> I have a 760XD that runs perfectly with 64mb RAM, but bumping it to > 80mb > > > results in Windows >>Protection errors and a restore backup registry > prompt > > > upon booting with my Win95 drive. My NT4 >>drive boots to a blue > screen. > > > I've switched out the 32mb modules, and swapped mem slots, all work fine > > > >>as long as I stay at 64mb or less. I know I've put 80mb in a 760ED. > Any > > > ideas? Thanks, Paul > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > vary, > > Done on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 6 19:21:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11081 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22493; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 May 1999 19:19:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22297; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22283; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (128.49.4.4 -> marlin.nosc.mil) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 May 1999 19:19:18 -0400 Received: from test (joetp.nosc.mil [128.49.190.153]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA26066; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:19:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek Seaman" To: "LightSide" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: RE: ThinkPad Cases Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:16:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000501be9816$707a0560$0b337c18@test> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <199905060907.CAA04126@www.az.com> List-Unsubscribe: I would suggest looking at the Tumi bags. I have one, and really love it. It's made of ballastic nylon, and has a sling. > -----Original Message----- > From: LightSide [mailto:robertm@az.com] > Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 3:11 AM > To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU > Subject: ThinkPad Cases > > > Hi, > I want to thank everyone for all the information generated. I > will definately look into port.com. But the > information about sling/cushion suspension was something I didn't > even think about. Again, thank you. > > Robert > > > Robert Mears > Certified Key and Button Pusher > robertm@az.com > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 6 23:25:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13000 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02727; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 May 1999 23:23:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02537; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02518; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 May 1999 23:22:47 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id XAA08287 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990506231451.00993da0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 23:22:48 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: 570 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Got my 570. So far, so good. The screen is much better than the 560 (bigger, brighter, higher resolution). Seems speedier than the 560, but haven't done any serious work yet. A question - there is a lot of pre-loaded software, much of it seemingly useless. Any way to figure out what is installed and what it does? Some uninstalls from add/remove programs, some doesn't. Or is it better just to reinstall win98, add the drivers from the IBM web site and proceed. Another question - anyone have any feelings regarding win98 v. win2000 beta 3 v. win98 SE on a Thinkpad? (everyone one I've asked prefers win98 to win95). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 6 23:35:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13082 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03541; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 May 1999 23:33:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03347; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03323; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 May 1999 23:33:33 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id XAA16494 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990506233115.0091dae0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 23:33:17 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: power management Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I'm probably going to find this 5 minutes after sending, but: Is there a way to set my 570 (win98) to suspend (or whatever you call copying everything to RAM and shutting down) when the lid is closed, then hibernating (copying everything to disk) after 30 or 60 minutes of suspend? I could do that on my 560 (win95), but can't figure out how to on the new machine. thanks From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 6 23:42:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13147 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04177; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 May 1999 23:39:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03948; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03930; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 May 1999 23:39:41 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl5-33.gate.net [199.227.131.33]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA72228; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:40:56 -0400 Message-ID: <37326075.CA958A96@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 23:39:33 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 References: <4.1.19990506231451.00993da0@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Richard.. richard wrote: > Got my 570. So far, so good. The screen is much better than the 560 > (bigger, brighter, higher resolution). Seems speedier than the 560, but > haven't done any serious work yet. > depends upon which 560 you had.. > A question - there is a lot of pre-loaded software, much of it seemingly > useless. Any way to figure out what is installed and what it does? Some > uninstalls from add/remove programs, some doesn't. is there not a recovery CD with the 570..??and a preload software CD..?? there should be.. in any event, i suggest you inspect the preloaded apps for those that you would like to keep.. > Or is it better just to reinstall win98, add the drivers from the IBM web > site and proceed. > there are, most likely, some nice utilities that will disappear.. unless there is a preload CD as supplied with the 770X and Z machines.. > Another question - anyone have any feelings regarding win98 v. win2000 beta > 3 v. win98 SE on a Thinkpad? (everyone one I've asked prefers win98 to win95). be careful of win2000 beta.. might cause erratic behavious when running with other apps.. win98 seems better that win95B... -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 6 23:46:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13193 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04712; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 May 1999 23:44:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04528; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04515; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 May 1999 23:44:23 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl5-33.gate.net [199.227.131.33]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA94242; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:45:39 -0400 Message-ID: <37326190.6AE6CAAC@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 23:44:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: power management References: <4.1.19990506233115.0091dae0@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: its called hibernate and you might need to turn it on using the "Thinkpad Configueration" applet.. richard wrote: > I'm probably going to find this 5 minutes after sending, but: > > Is there a way to set my 570 (win98) to suspend (or whatever you call > copying everything to RAM and shutting down) when the lid is closed, then > hibernating (copying everything to disk) after 30 or 60 minutes of suspend? > I could do that on my 560 (win95), but can't figure out how to on the new > machine. > > thanks -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 6 23:49:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13216 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05235; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 May 1999 23:46:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04798; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04693; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 May 1999 23:45:50 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id XAA25594; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990506234123.0091d240@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 23:45:40 -0400 To: Bill Morrow From: richard Subject: Re: 570 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <37326075.CA958A96@icanect.net> References: <4.1.19990506231451.00993da0@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:39 PM 5/6/99 -0400, you wrote: >> Got my 570. So far, so good. The screen is much better than the 560 >> (bigger, brighter, higher resolution). Seems speedier than the 560, but >> haven't done any serious work yet. > >depends upon which 560 you had.. 133mhz >is there not a recovery CD with the 570..??and a preload software CD..?? >there should be.. > >in any event, i suggest you inspect the preloaded apps for those that you would >like to keep.. There is a recovery CD and a selected software CD. What I was looking for was a list of apps and a brief description of each. Going directory by directory and running apps and examining help files seems to be the only way to figure out what's here >> Another question - anyone have any feelings regarding win98 v. win2000 beta >> 3 v. win98 SE on a Thinkpad? (everyone one I've asked prefers win98 to >win95). > > be careful of win2000 beta.. >might cause erratic behavious when running with other apps.. Is it worth trying, or better to wait for the final (with a service pack or two)? >win98 seems better that win95B... that's what almost everyone says From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 6 23:54:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13261 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05954; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 May 1999 23:52:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05679; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05666; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 May 1999 23:52:19 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl5-33.gate.net [199.227.131.33]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA345536; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:53:31 -0400 Message-ID: <37326368.787CA84C@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 23:52:08 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 References: <4.1.19990506231451.00993da0@pop.rcn.com> <4.1.19990506234123.0091d240@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: depending upon which 570 you have it'll either be super fast or super duper fast.. (these are technical terms used to describe incremental speed improvements) there should be a file that will run under your web browser with descriptions of the apps.. shove the selected software CD in the CD and run the startup.. it should load your browser and start the description applet.. whether you run a beta or not depends upon how inportant it is not to have crashes.. or don't use a beta on a mission critical machine.. either that or get a spare HDD and play with it, then run the serious stuff with the regular HDD.. richard wrote: > At 11:39 PM 5/6/99 -0400, you wrote: > >> Got my 570. So far, so good. The screen is much better than the 560 > >> (bigger, brighter, higher resolution). Seems speedier than the 560, but > >> haven't done any serious work yet. > > > >depends upon which 560 you had.. > > 133mhz > > >is there not a recovery CD with the 570..??and a preload software CD..?? > >there should be.. > > > >in any event, i suggest you inspect the preloaded apps for those that you > would > >like to keep.. > > There is a recovery CD and a selected software CD. What I was looking for > was a list of apps and a brief description of each. Going directory by > directory and running apps and examining help files seems to be the only > way to figure out what's here > > >> Another question - anyone have any feelings regarding win98 v. win2000 beta > >> 3 v. win98 SE on a Thinkpad? (everyone one I've asked prefers win98 to > >win95). > > > > be careful of win2000 beta.. > >might cause erratic behavious when running with other apps.. > > Is it worth trying, or better to wait for the final (with a service pack or > two)? > > >win98 seems better that win95B... > > that's what almost everyone says -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 04:29:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA14940 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 04:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17760; Fri, 7 May 1999 04:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 04:28:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17620; Fri, 7 May 1999 04:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17603; Fri, 7 May 1999 04:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 04:28:06 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl5-33.gate.net [199.227.131.33]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA270094; Fri, 7 May 1999 04:29:16 -0400 Message-ID: <3732A409.680F5F5D@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 04:27:53 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vincent.. There are two CD's supplied with the 770 series now.. the first is the preload recovery CD.. which, as you say, recovers the HDD to the factory preload.. then there is a second CD which has all the then curent drivers and the applications, some of these apps are already on the HDD and preload recovery CD.. you can add some apps, such as Fax Works if you wish.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Thu, 6 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > > > A question - there is a lot of pre-loaded software, much of it seemingly > > > useless. Any way to figure out what is installed and what it does? Some > > > uninstalls from add/remove programs, some doesn't. > > > > is there not a recovery CD with the 570..??and a preload software CD..?? > > there should be.. > > I thought the recovery CD basically would wipe the HD clean and > install the OS and all the pre-loaded software as how the machine is out > of the box. exactly.. > What does the preload software CD do? see above.. > I never got one of > those with my 385ED (2635-5EU) so is it basically like everything IBM > loads on top of the barebones OEM Windows OS allowing you to install > everything like how the machines shipped? > see above.. > > in any event, i suggest you inspect the preloaded apps for those that > > you would like to keep.. > > Is there anyway to actually save the preloaded apps, utilities to > like zip or CD-R and then reinstall it on another system? > yes..i usually keep a virgin copy on my local network.. and a copy initialized with my name and so on.. its easier to recover or image an additional drive for experimental needs.. > > > Or is it better just to reinstall win98, add the drivers from the IBM web > > > site and proceed. > > > > there are, most likely, some nice utilities that will disappear.. > > unless there is a preload CD as supplied with the 770X and Z > > machines.. > > Hmm, still trying to figure out what the preload CD is exactly. see above..but if i have note made it clear, the preload CD restores the HDD to the same exact state that it was in when you first powered the machine on... > > > > > Another question - anyone have any feelings regarding win98 v. win2000 beta > > > 3 v. win98 SE on a Thinkpad? (everyone one I've asked prefers win98 to win95). > > > > be careful of win2000 beta.. > > might cause erratic behavious when running with other apps.. > > win98 seems better that win95B... > > Hmmm, that's true... > HDD's are cheap these days..its much smarter to leave experimentation to an additional drive... > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 04:33:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA14974 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 04:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18163; Fri, 7 May 1999 04:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 04:32:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18004; Fri, 7 May 1999 04:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17990; Fri, 7 May 1999 04:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 04:32:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA25766; Fri, 7 May 1999 01:32:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 01:32:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 In-Reply-To: <3732A409.680F5F5D@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 7 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Hi Bill, Thanks for explaining it... Is there a way one can just load up Windows 98 on the HD and then load the preload stuff on top of that? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Vincent.. > There are two CD's supplied with the 770 series now.. > the first is the preload recovery CD.. which, as you say, recovers the HDD to the > factory preload.. > then there is a second CD which has all the then curent drivers and the applications, > some of these apps are already on the HDD and preload recovery CD.. > you can add some apps, such as Fax Works if you wish.. > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Thu, 6 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > A question - there is a lot of pre-loaded software, much of it seemingly > > > > useless. Any way to figure out what is installed and what it does? Some > > > > uninstalls from add/remove programs, some doesn't. > > > > > > is there not a recovery CD with the 570..??and a preload software CD..?? > > > there should be.. > > > > I thought the recovery CD basically would wipe the HD clean and > > install the OS and all the pre-loaded software as how the machine is out > > of the box. > > exactly.. > > > What does the preload software CD do? > > see above.. > > > I never got one of > > those with my 385ED (2635-5EU) so is it basically like everything IBM > > loads on top of the barebones OEM Windows OS allowing you to install > > everything like how the machines shipped? > > > > see above.. > > > > in any event, i suggest you inspect the preloaded apps for those that > > > you would like to keep.. > > > > Is there anyway to actually save the preloaded apps, utilities to > > like zip or CD-R and then reinstall it on another system? > > > > yes..i usually keep a virgin copy on my local network.. > and a copy initialized with my name and so on.. > its easier to recover or image an additional drive for experimental needs.. > > > > > > Or is it better just to reinstall win98, add the drivers from the IBM web > > > > site and proceed. > > > > > > there are, most likely, some nice utilities that will disappear.. > > > unless there is a preload CD as supplied with the 770X and Z > > > machines.. > > > > Hmm, still trying to figure out what the preload CD is exactly. > > see above..but if i have note made it clear, the preload CD restores the HDD to the > same exact state that it was in when you first powered the machine on... > > > > > > > > > > Another question - anyone have any feelings regarding win98 v. win2000 beta > > > > 3 v. win98 SE on a Thinkpad? (everyone one I've asked prefers win98 to win95). > > > > > > be careful of win2000 beta.. > > > might cause erratic behavious when running with other apps.. > > > win98 seems better that win95B... > > > > Hmmm, that's true... > > > > HDD's are cheap these days..its much smarter to leave experimentation to an additional > drive... > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 05:05:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA15106 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 05:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19606; Fri, 7 May 1999 05:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 05:02:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19434; Fri, 7 May 1999 05:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19416; Fri, 7 May 1999 05:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (195.121.6.60 -> smtp02.wxs.nl) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 05:02:39 -0400 Received: from thinkjorg ([195.121.206.18]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA395A for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:00:26 +0200 Message-ID: <001101be9867$fbf455e0$3400a8c0@thinkjorg> From: "Jorg Spek" To: Subject: [TP600] Garbage on screen Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:59:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE9878.BAB564A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE9878.BAB564A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, My Thinkpad 600 (13,3" TFT, NeoMagic 128XD, 1024x768, latest drivers from IBM website) often shows garbage on the screen. Like it doesn't refresh or something. When I move a window over the area that shows garbage, it's gone. I've included a screenshot so you can see what it looks like. Anyone have any suggestions? 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Let me try again: When I close the lid, I'd like the unit to suspend Assuming that I don't open again for 60 minutes, I'd like it to then hibernate. Is this possible under win98? If so, how to? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 07:35:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA15776 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 07:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02989; Fri, 7 May 1999 07:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 07:34:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02887; Fri, 7 May 1999 07:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02874; Fri, 7 May 1999 07:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 07:34:21 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pC19F0846.dip.t-online.de [193.159.8.70]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id J2GYWCBX; Fri, 7 May 1999 07:26:56 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: Subject: TP770ED SuSe Linux and Screen Blanking while running WinNT 4.0 Workstation Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 13:34:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: - Has anyone had any success using the built-in modem on a TP770 (or another model that also uses the same built in modem setup) while running SuSe Linux (I have version 6.0)? I am using KDE as my GUI and am pretty much new at the Linux game, too. If someone has a version (distribution) that they have running happily on the TP I would also be interested. - I was also wondering if anyone has been experiencing something interesting that has now happened to me 3 times while using WinNT 4.0 Workstation for extended periods of time. I basically use my 770ED as a desktop and rarely turn it off - maybe once a week - when I do go away, however, I DO put it in suspend mode (FN+F4). Sometimes my screen will turn completely white - in the middle of working on a document, writing an Email off-line, or reading a saved PDF, HTML, etc. - and the only way I can get anything to work again is buy using the reset "button" by the power button. (The reason why I turned to NT in the first time is because I can't seem to run Win95 or Win98 (which are also on this machine) without crashing every 4 hours - no joke. NT has been extremely stable except for this type of "crash.") Does anyone have any advice - or have you also experienced this? - One more issue, I have already burned out one laptop (not an IBM) because of excessive usage - not necessarily on the road type - and I was wondering if anyone has any advice in either leaving the computer on all the time - since I use it constantly - or making sure I do certain things while away >from it - brief periods of time... Thanks in advance, SNF ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Assistant Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) ________________________________________________________________________ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 11:26:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA17657 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18692; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 11:23:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18424; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18383; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 11:23:04 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl8-18.gate.net [199.227.20.81]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA246818; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:24:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3733054D.4D7CD276@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 11:22:53 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jorg Spek CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP600] Garbage on screen References: <001101be9867$fbf455e0$3400a8c0@thinkjorg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Gee, thanks for the huge file..!! :-) ok, its obviously some misbehaved app.. IF you have done all the correct drivers correctly, of course.. IF this occurs right away after booting up, then it MAY be an issue with drivers but i doubt it.. what is happening, i think, is the video ram is haveing a spastic fit.. (sorta like my wife when she wants me ot "clean up!"... how to cure.. ? whats running ? ohhhkay, i'll look at the image.. hmm.. what is the app that is displaying the image..?? or is that your wallpaper..? suggest that you run the hardware tests... test the video... Jorg Spek wrote: > Hi there, > > My Thinkpad 600 (13,3" TFT, NeoMagic 128XD, 1024x768, latest drivers from > IBM website) often shows garbage on the screen. Like it doesn't refresh or > something. > When I move a window over the area that shows garbage, it's gone. > I've included a screenshot so you can see what it looks like. > Anyone have any suggestions? > > Greets, > Jorg > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Name: garbage.jpg > garbage.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) > Encoding: base64 -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 11:32:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA17751 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19637; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 11:29:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19252; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19236; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 11:29:21 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl8-18.gate.net [199.227.20.81]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA33726; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:30:34 -0400 Message-ID: <373306C6.20E8C890@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 11:29:10 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: power management References: <4.1.19990506233115.0091dae0@pop.rcn.com> <4.1.19990506234818.0099e680@pop.rcn.com> <4.1.19990507064727.0099f3d0@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: its supposed to be the way it works, but i must admit i never use the suspend or hibernate features.. when i want to hibernate, i use Fn-F12.. sorry i have no more to add.. perhaps one of the guys who uses hibernate frequently will have something to add.. richard wrote: > I fear I've been unclear. Let me try again: > > When I close the lid, I'd like the unit to suspend > Assuming that I don't open again for 60 minutes, I'd like it to then hibernate. > > Is this possible under win98? If so, how to? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 14:11:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19539 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01849; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 14:07:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01575; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01562; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 14:07:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA15510 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:07:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:07:13 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 In-Reply-To: <3732A409.680F5F5D@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 7 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > Vincent.. > There are two CD's supplied with the 770 series now.. > the first is the preload recovery CD.. which, as you say, > recovers the HDD to the factory preload.. Does this bother anyone else? I know it's to cut down on software piracy, but it basically means I pay for a one-user license for Windows, but I'm only allowed to use it on the machine it came with unless I jump through hoops and hack the files to load it onto another machine. It's part of the reason I'm still using W95 OSR2 (which I have a "pure" CD for). (The other reason is that my 560 doesn't have a CD-ROM drive so I can't use its recovery CD - copying its contents to the HD doesn't work since the first thing the recovery process does is repartition and reformat the HD. :-) -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 14:20:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19616 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03019; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 14:15:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02623; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02588; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 14:15:42 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl8-18.gate.net [199.227.20.81]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA209340; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:16:52 -0400 Message-ID: <37332DBF.32EEACF2@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 14:15:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the recovery image is a ZIP file.. copy it and unzip it..! John Kim wrote: > On Fri, 7 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > Vincent.. > > There are two CD's supplied with the 770 series now.. > > the first is the preload recovery CD.. which, as you say, > > recovers the HDD to the factory preload.. > > Does this bother anyone else? I know it's to cut down on > software piracy, but it basically means I pay for a one-user > license for Windows, but I'm only allowed to use it on the > machine it came with unless I jump through hoops and hack the > files to load it onto another machine. It's part of the > reason I'm still using W95 OSR2 (which I have a "pure" CD > for). (The other reason is that my 560 doesn't have a CD-ROM > drive so I can't use its recovery CD - copying its contents to > the HD doesn't work since the first thing the recovery process > does is repartition and reformat the HD. :-) > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 14:45:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA20015 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05595; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 14:43:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05442; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05419; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (140.142.78.6 -> jason05.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 14:43:13 -0400 Received: from dante38.u.washington.edu (ranger5@dante38.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.198]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id LAA54766; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:43:10 -0700 Received: from localhost (ranger5@localhost) by dante38.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id LAA21070; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:43:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:43:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Kokaly" To: Bill Morrow cc: John Kim , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 In-Reply-To: <37332DBF.32EEACF2@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: It is? When I tried to unzip, untar, un anything on the recovery CD, it wouldn't let me! Am I missing something? I had an unsupported CDROM. I started hacking the recovery boot diskette to get it too load my drivers. Almost got it to work. Finally threw my hands up in disgust and copied the CAB files from the included Companion CD and the setup files from a version of Windows from work using the dos drivers for the CD and a windows boot disk. Matt On Fri, 7 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > the recovery image is a ZIP file.. > copy it and unzip it..! > > John Kim wrote: > > > On Fri, 7 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > Vincent.. > > > There are two CD's supplied with the 770 series now.. > > > the first is the preload recovery CD.. which, as you say, > > > recovers the HDD to the factory preload.. > > > > Does this bother anyone else? I know it's to cut down on > > software piracy, but it basically means I pay for a one-user > > license for Windows, but I'm only allowed to use it on the > > machine it came with unless I jump through hoops and hack the > > files to load it onto another machine. It's part of the > > reason I'm still using W95 OSR2 (which I have a "pure" CD > > for). (The other reason is that my 560 doesn't have a CD-ROM > > drive so I can't use its recovery CD - copying its contents to > > the HD doesn't work since the first thing the recovery process > > does is repartition and reformat the HD. :-) > > > > -- > > John H. Kim > > kim@stormhaven.org > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 15:35:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20722 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 15:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09028; Fri, 7 May 1999 15:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 15:28:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08828; Fri, 7 May 1999 15:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08815; Fri, 7 May 1999 15:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 15:27:59 -0400 Received: from Atreyu (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id OAA27652; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:27:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:27:43 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.32) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <8602.990507@falkor.chi.il.us> To: John Kim CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: 570 In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello John, Friday, May 07, 1999, 1:07:13 PM, you wrote: JK> Does this bother anyone else? I know it's to cut down on JK> software piracy, but it basically means I pay for a one-user JK> license for Windows, but I'm only allowed to use it on the JK> machine it came with This is a common mis-conception among those who have not actually read the license agreement to which they agreed. You did not, in fact, buy a "one-user license for Windows". Instead, you bought a one-system license for Windows, specifically the one system with which it came. Personally, I think that stinks even more. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBNzM+o28pw+2/9pUJEQIbXACfYEPEhRYawgP70+CRMCjjexX9ABMAoNs6 Uw5QYaiZQD4GWwNn7eLNrqgL =4a39 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 16:08:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA21170 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11979; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 16:06:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11774; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11753; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 16:06:20 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl8-18.gate.net [199.227.20.81]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA41704; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:07:19 -0400 Message-ID: <373347A2.782178C9@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 16:05:55 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "M. Kokaly" CC: John Kim , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: well.. there are a bunch of odd files, but the one you want will stand out.. let me look at my 770Z recovery CD.. i just opened one of the preload image files.. just use winzip or the like and open the files with the extension .IMZ its ALL THERE.. :-) M. Kokaly wrote: > It is? > > When I tried to unzip, untar, un anything on the recovery CD, it > wouldn't let me! Am I missing something? > > I had an unsupported CDROM. I started hacking the recovery boot diskette > to get it too load my drivers. Almost got it to work. Finally threw my > hands up in disgust and copied the CAB files from the included Companion > CD and the setup files from a version of Windows from work using the dos > drivers for the CD and a windows boot disk. > > Matt > > On Fri, 7 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > the recovery image is a ZIP file.. > > copy it and unzip it..! > > > > John Kim wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 7 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > Vincent.. > > > > There are two CD's supplied with the 770 series now.. > > > > the first is the preload recovery CD.. which, as you say, > > > > recovers the HDD to the factory preload.. > > > > > > Does this bother anyone else? I know it's to cut down on > > > software piracy, but it basically means I pay for a one-user > > > license for Windows, but I'm only allowed to use it on the > > > machine it came with unless I jump through hoops and hack the > > > files to load it onto another machine. It's part of the > > > reason I'm still using W95 OSR2 (which I have a "pure" CD > > > for). (The other reason is that my 560 doesn't have a CD-ROM > > > drive so I can't use its recovery CD - copying its contents to > > > the HD doesn't work since the first thing the recovery process > > > does is repartition and reformat the HD. :-) > > > > > > -- > > > John H. Kim > > > kim@stormhaven.org > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > > vary, Done on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 16:17:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA21321 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13320; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 16:13:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12974; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12864; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 16:13:03 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl8-18.gate.net [199.227.20.81]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA209202; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:13:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3733490C.44B3CB5A@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 16:11:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ronald W. Heiby" CC: John Kim , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 References: <8602.990507@falkor.chi.il.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I think we should all agree to replace the time honored "RTFM" (Read The F... uhhfine! Manual) with "RTFLA".. ?! :-) besides it appears that all thinkpads now ship with a win95 and win98 preload CD.. so you get two OS's... i know, i know.. RTFLA.. Ronald W. Heiby wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello John, > > Friday, May 07, 1999, 1:07:13 PM, you wrote: > > JK> Does this bother anyone else? I know it's to cut down on > JK> software piracy, but it basically means I pay for a one-user > JK> license for Windows, but I'm only allowed to use it on the > JK> machine it came with > > This is a common mis-conception among those who have not actually read > the license agreement to which they agreed. You did not, in fact, buy > a "one-user license for Windows". Instead, you bought a one-system > license for Windows, specifically the one system with which it came. > > Personally, I think that stinks even more. > > Ron. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 > Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. > > iQA/AwUBNzM+o28pw+2/9pUJEQIbXACfYEPEhRYawgP70+CRMCjjexX9ABMAoNs6 > Uw5QYaiZQD4GWwNn7eLNrqgL > =4a39 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 17:00:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA21945 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17108; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 16:57:49 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16945; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 16:57:46 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id QAA13270 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11700; Fri, 7 May 1999 02:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 02:19:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA25149; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:19:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 23:19:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 In-Reply-To: <37326075.CA958A96@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 6 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Hi Bill, > > A question - there is a lot of pre-loaded software, much of it seemingly > > useless. Any way to figure out what is installed and what it does? Some > > uninstalls from add/remove programs, some doesn't. > > is there not a recovery CD with the 570..??and a preload software CD..?? > there should be.. I thought the recovery CD basically would wipe the HD clean and install the OS and all the pre-loaded software as how the machine is out of the box. What does the preload software CD do? I never got one of those with my 385ED (2635-5EU) so is it basically like everything IBM loads on top of the barebones OEM Windows OS allowing you to install everything like how the machines shipped? > in any event, i suggest you inspect the preloaded apps for those that > you would like to keep.. Is there anyway to actually save the preloaded apps, utilities to like zip or CD-R and then reinstall it on another system? > > Or is it better just to reinstall win98, add the drivers from the IBM web > > site and proceed. > > there are, most likely, some nice utilities that will disappear.. > unless there is a preload CD as supplied with the 770X and Z > machines.. Hmm, still trying to figure out what the preload CD is exactly. > > Another question - anyone have any feelings regarding win98 v. win2000 beta > > 3 v. win98 SE on a Thinkpad? (everyone one I've asked prefers win98 to win95). > > be careful of win2000 beta.. > might cause erratic behavious when running with other apps.. > win98 seems better that win95B... Hmmm, that's true... Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 17:04:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22029 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17102; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 16:56:41 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16774; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 16:56:40 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id QAA13256 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11351; Fri, 7 May 1999 02:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 02:08:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA25083; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:08:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 23:08:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Derek Seaman cc: LightSide , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: RE: ThinkPad Cases In-Reply-To: <000501be9816$707a0560$0b337c18@test> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 6 May 1999, Derek Seaman wrote: How much does TUmi's cost relative to Port/Targus? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > I would suggest looking at the Tumi bags. I have one, and really love it. > It's made of ballastic nylon, and has a sling. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LightSide [mailto:robertm@az.com] > > Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 3:11 AM > > To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU > > Subject: ThinkPad Cases > > > > > > Hi, > > I want to thank everyone for all the information generated. I > > will definately look into port.com. But the > > information about sling/cushion suspension was something I didn't > > even think about. Again, thank you. > > > > Robert > > > > > > Robert Mears > > Certified Key and Button Pusher > > robertm@az.com > > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 17:25:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22349 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19136; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 17:21:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18973; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18959; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (165.87.194.239 -> out4.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 17:21:38 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip-32-100-39-113.nj.us.ibm.net [32.100.39.113]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA76394; Fri, 7 May 1999 21:21:22 GMT Message-ID: <002901be98d0$62b98ee0$71276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "richard" Cc: References: <4.1.19990506233115.0091dae0@pop.rcn.com><4.1.19990506234818.0099e680@pop.rcn.com> <4.1.19990507064727.0099f3d0@pop.rcn.com> Subject: Re: power management Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 17:27:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: On my 770: Go under Thinkpad Configuration and choose Power Management. There is a Tab for Hibernation and there You will see an option for Hibernate x Minutes after Suspend. (The x is where you set the time) Now usually this checkbox is grayed out. You must first deselect the option for Resume on Incoming Call under the Suspend/Resume Options tab. NOTE: I noticed that after you deselect resume on incoming call and press apply you must close the Power Management Properties window and re-open it before the Hibernate x Minutes etc. option becomes available. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: richard To: Bill Morrow Cc: Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 6:49 AM Subject: Re: power management > I fear I've been unclear. Let me try again: > > When I close the lid, I'd like the unit to suspend > Assuming that I don't open again for 60 minutes, I'd like it to then hibernate. > > Is this possible under win98? If so, how to? > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 17:28:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22411 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19774; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 17:26:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19467; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19453; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (165.87.194.239 -> out4.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 17:26:20 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip-32-100-39-113.nj.us.ibm.net [32.100.39.113]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA161932; Fri, 7 May 1999 21:26:03 GMT Message-ID: <003101be98d1$096d56e0$71276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "richard" , References: Subject: Re: 570 Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 17:31:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: If you will be upgrading to Win98 then the best option is to do a fresh install of windows and just install the programs you want of the Customization CD and download the latest TP drivers. (The only things you really would lose are the bitmaps. Everything else should be on the CD if you want it. In your case you probably already have Win98 so just uninstall what you don't want. Then use a good registry cleanup program to remove all the garbage left behind. MS products are the worst at leaving the registry bloated with trash that over time makes the system boot much slower... Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow Cc: richard ; Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 2:19 AM Subject: Re: 570 > On Thu, 6 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > > > A question - there is a lot of pre-loaded software, much of it seemingly > > > useless. Any way to figure out what is installed and what it does? Some > > > uninstalls from add/remove programs, some doesn't. > > > > is there not a recovery CD with the 570..??and a preload software CD..?? > > there should be.. > > I thought the recovery CD basically would wipe the HD clean and > install the OS and all the pre-loaded software as how the machine is out > of the box. What does the preload software CD do? I never got one of > those with my 385ED (2635-5EU) so is it basically like everything IBM > loads on top of the barebones OEM Windows OS allowing you to install > everything like how the machines shipped? > > > in any event, i suggest you inspect the preloaded apps for those that > > you would like to keep.. > > Is there anyway to actually save the preloaded apps, utilities to > like zip or CD-R and then reinstall it on another system? > > > > Or is it better just to reinstall win98, add the drivers from the IBM web > > > site and proceed. > > > > there are, most likely, some nice utilities that will disappear.. > > unless there is a preload CD as supplied with the 770X and Z > > machines.. > > Hmm, still trying to figure out what the preload CD is exactly. > > > > Another question - anyone have any feelings regarding win98 v. win2000 beta > > > 3 v. win98 SE on a Thinkpad? (everyone one I've asked prefers win98 to win95). > > > > be careful of win2000 beta.. > > might cause erratic behavious when running with other apps.. > > win98 seems better that win95B... > > Hmmm, that's true... > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 17:59:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22745 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21896; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 17:57:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21776; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21763; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (149.159.1.1 -> fallout.campusview.indiana.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 17:57:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13836; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:57:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 16:57:42 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Jorg Spek cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP600] Garbage on screen In-Reply-To: <001101be9867$fbf455e0$3400a8c0@thinkjorg> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 7 May 1999, Jorg Spek wrote: > My Thinkpad 600 (13,3" TFT, NeoMagic 128XD, 1024x768, latest drivers from > IBM website) often shows garbage on the screen. Like it doesn't refresh or > something. The latest *NT* video driver from the IBM web site is seriously broken, causing screen garbage and occasional crashes. (Rumor has it that it may be a service pack 4 interaction.) Don't know if that is relevant to you since you don't say what OS you are using. -john From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 18:47:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA23158 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 18:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24580; Fri, 7 May 1999 18:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 18:46:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24399; Fri, 7 May 1999 18:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24368; Fri, 7 May 1999 18:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 18:45:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA17323 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 18:45:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 18:45:52 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: 570 In-Reply-To: <8602.990507@falkor.chi.il.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 7 May 1999, Ronald W. Heiby wrote: > > This is a common mis-conception among those who have not actually read > the license agreement to which they agreed. You did not, in fact, buy > a "one-user license for Windows". Instead, you bought a one-system > license for Windows, specifically the one system with which it came. > > Personally, I think that stinks even more. Yeah, it does. :-( Bill: About unzipping the files on the recovery disk. That's what I meant about jumping through hoops. Installing an OS should be pop in the CD and go. That's the way it worked with older versions of Windows, that's the way it works with standalone versions of Win98, that's the way it works with Linux. It's a hassle to first install a minimal DOS or Win or Linux system to partition the drive, unzip and copy the CD contents to disk, then reboot to install. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 19:45:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23615 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27009; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 19:43:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26871; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26858; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (206.156.118.55) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 19:43:40 -0400 Received: from zorro (zorro.brightware.com [206.156.118.171]) by ns1.brightware.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA21842; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000701be98e3$2de6a140$0201a8c0@brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "John Fieber" , "Jorg Spek" Cc: References: Subject: Re: [TP600] Garbage on screen Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 16:41:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Not here. I have been very happily using NT 4 SP4 and the 3.22Q video driver in 16bpp mode for months with no problems at all! David ----- Original Message ----- From: John Fieber To: Jorg Spek Cc: Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [TP600] Garbage on screen > On Fri, 7 May 1999, Jorg Spek wrote: > > > My Thinkpad 600 (13,3" TFT, NeoMagic 128XD, 1024x768, latest drivers from > > IBM website) often shows garbage on the screen. Like it doesn't refresh or > > something. > > The latest *NT* video driver from the IBM web site is seriously > broken, causing screen garbage and occasional crashes. (Rumor > has it that it may be a service pack 4 interaction.) Don't know > if that is relevant to you since you don't say what OS you are > using. > > -john > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 20:06:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA23796 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28074; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 20:05:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27929; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw1adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27916; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:05:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail-gw1adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (151.164.30.51 -> mail-gw1.rcsntx.swbell.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 20:05:14 -0400 Received: from p350 (ppp-207-193-227-194.hstntx.swbell.net [207.193.227.194]) by mail-gw1adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA12444 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:05:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006201be98e4$5fb4c340$c2e3c1cf@p350> To: References: <001101be9867$fbf455e0$3400a8c0@thinkjorg> Subject: Re: [TP600] Garbage on screen Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 18:50:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Have you tried switching to a different wallpaper? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorg Spek To: Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 3:59 AM Subject: [TP600] Garbage on screen > Hi there, > > My Thinkpad 600 (13,3" TFT, NeoMagic 128XD, 1024x768, latest drivers from > IBM website) often shows garbage on the screen. Like it doesn't refresh or > something. > When I move a window over the area that shows garbage, it's gone. > I've included a screenshot so you can see what it looks like. > Anyone have any suggestions? > > Greets, > Jorg > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 7 20:53:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24147 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00479; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 May 1999 20:46:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00339; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00325; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (128.9.128.128 -> tnt.isi.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 May 1999 20:46:48 -0400 Received: from ISI.EDU (kiribati.isi.edu [128.9.64.129]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA01379; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37338970.5772E031@ISI.EDU> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 17:46:40 -0700 From: Steven Augart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,it,es-CO,es-AR,es-MX,es,fr,de,el MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad Suspend [TP600] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My TP600 won't go into suspend mode. When I try to manually suspend it, it just beeps at me. I started having problems suspending a month or two ago, where the TP would hang when going into suspend mode. After a few of these (where I used the pen switch to stop the computer), I was prompted "you've had trouble suspending this computer; shall I disable suspend altogether"? I said "yes", and now don't know how to re-enable it. Also, has anyone had problems with suspend the computer like I describe above? --Steve Augart From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 8 00:04:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA25781 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 00:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07531; Sat, 8 May 1999 00:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 May 1999 00:02:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07389; Sat, 8 May 1999 00:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07351; Sat, 8 May 1999 00:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 May 1999 00:02:00 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-14.gate.net [199.227.131.77]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA323448; Sat, 8 May 1999 00:03:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3733B72F.EFCF2195@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 00:01:51 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John.. unzipping anything is not the way its meant to happen.. normally you can just boot from the CD and everything is more or less automatic.. the only reason to unzip anything is when you are doing sometihng unintended... like i just recovered the original 755CE preload to a drive for a 755CE that has no CD directly available.. most OS installs ARE very sinmple these days.. its just when we getting creative to do the unexpected that these things become more than mundane.. :-) John Kim wrote: > On Fri, 7 May 1999, Ronald W. Heiby wrote: > > > > This is a common mis-conception among those who have not actually read > > the license agreement to which they agreed. You did not, in fact, buy > > a "one-user license for Windows". Instead, you bought a one-system > > license for Windows, specifically the one system with which it came. > > > > Personally, I think that stinks even more. > > Yeah, it does. :-( > > Bill: About unzipping the files on the recovery disk. > That's what I meant about jumping through hoops. Installing > an OS should be pop in the CD and go. That's the way it > worked with older versions of Windows, that's the way it works > with standalone versions of Win98, that's the way it works > with Linux. It's a hassle to first install a minimal DOS or > Win or Linux system to partition the drive, unzip and copy the > CD contents to disk, then reboot to install. > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@stormhaven.org -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 8 01:17:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA26286 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10177; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 May 1999 01:16:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10038; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10014; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 May 1999 01:15:49 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-14.gate.net [199.227.131.77]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA84264; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:17:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3733C87A.F187C955@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 01:15:38 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Augart CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Suspend [TP600] References: <37338970.5772E031@ISI.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steven.. try turning suspend on in your power management applet.. also, be sure there is enough space on your HDD for the hibernation file.. if these fail, run a memory test and a video test.. Steven Augart wrote: > My TP600 won't go into suspend mode. When I try to manually suspend > it, it just beeps at me. > > I started having problems suspending a month or two ago, where the TP > would hang when going into suspend mode. After a few of these (where > I used the pen switch to stop the computer), I was prompted "you've > had trouble suspending this computer; shall I disable suspend > altogether"? > > I said "yes", and now don't know how to re-enable it. > > Also, has anyone had problems with suspend the computer like I > describe above? > > --Steve Augart -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 8 01:31:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA26359 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11109; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 May 1999 01:30:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11025; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11012; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 May 1999 01:30:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA02002; Fri, 7 May 1999 22:30:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 22:30:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: Bill Morrow , richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 In-Reply-To: <003101be98d1$096d56e0$71276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 7 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > If you will be upgrading to Win98 then the best option is to do a fresh > install of windows and just install the programs you want of the > Customization CD and download the latest TP drivers. (The only things you > really would lose are the bitmaps. Everything else should be on the CD if > you want it. Nope, that's not my problem... The thing is I already have a TP385ED with all the stuff I want on it and I'm planning to get a 770Z to replace it but since the OS is identical on both machines and my Win98 is the Government version without the US DOJ stuff removed, I just want to see if there was a way I can just copy everything over and still have the stuff the 770Z ships with. So IBM does provide everything to just install on top of Win98 to get a pre-load? > In your case you probably already have Win98 so just uninstall what you > don't want. Then use a good registry cleanup program to remove all the > garbage left behind. MS products are the worst at leaving the registry > bloated with trash that over time makes the system boot much slower... Hmmm, what about merging two machines together? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vincent Poy > To: Bill Morrow > Cc: richard ; > Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 2:19 AM > Subject: Re: 570 > > > > On Thu, 6 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > A question - there is a lot of pre-loaded software, much of it > seemingly > > > > useless. Any way to figure out what is installed and what it does? > Some > > > > uninstalls from add/remove programs, some doesn't. > > > > > > is there not a recovery CD with the 570..??and a preload software CD..?? > > > there should be.. > > > > I thought the recovery CD basically would wipe the HD clean and > > install the OS and all the pre-loaded software as how the machine is out > > of the box. What does the preload software CD do? I never got one of > > those with my 385ED (2635-5EU) so is it basically like everything IBM > > loads on top of the barebones OEM Windows OS allowing you to install > > everything like how the machines shipped? > > > > > in any event, i suggest you inspect the preloaded apps for those that > > > you would like to keep.. > > > > Is there anyway to actually save the preloaded apps, utilities to > > like zip or CD-R and then reinstall it on another system? > > > > > > Or is it better just to reinstall win98, add the drivers from the IBM > web > > > > site and proceed. > > > > > > there are, most likely, some nice utilities that will disappear.. > > > unless there is a preload CD as supplied with the 770X and Z > > > machines.. > > > > Hmm, still trying to figure out what the preload CD is exactly. > > > > > > Another question - anyone have any feelings regarding win98 v. win2000 > beta > > > > 3 v. win98 SE on a Thinkpad? (everyone one I've asked prefers win98 > to win95). > > > > > > be careful of win2000 beta.. > > > might cause erratic behavious when running with other apps.. > > > win98 seems better that win95B... > > > > Hmmm, that's true... > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 8 01:41:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA26392 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11828; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 May 1999 01:40:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11701; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11688; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 May 1999 01:40:05 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-14.gate.net [199.227.131.77]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA221426; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:41:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3733CE2A.FB9C90CC@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 01:39:54 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Donald Mak , richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vincent.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Fri, 7 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > > > If you will be upgrading to Win98 then the best option is to do a fresh > > install of windows and just install the programs you want of the > > Customization CD and download the latest TP drivers. (The only things you > > really would lose are the bitmaps. Everything else should be on the CD if > > you want it. > > Nope, that's not my problem... The thing is I already have a > TP385ED with all the stuff I want on it and I'm planning to get a 770Z > to replace it but since the OS is identical on both machines and my > Win98 is the Government version without the US DOJ stuff removed, I just > want to see if there was a way I can just copy everything over and still > have the stuff the 770Z ships with. So IBM does provide everything to > just install on top of Win98 to get a pre-load? you can try using the 385 drive in the 770.. win9x will have fits about the drivers and so on, but SHOULD eventually hand you a fairly decent OS..then you can add the 770Z apps from the Software Selections CD.. > > > > In your case you probably already have Win98 so just uninstall what you > > don't want. Then use a good registry cleanup program to remove all the > > garbage left behind. MS products are the worst at leaving the registry > > bloated with trash that over time makes the system boot much slower... > > Hmmm, what about merging two machines together? > i'm not sure what you mean here..is it that you want to turn two thinkpads loose in a breeding cage and hope for a baby workpad..?? :-) or perhaps put the same two machine in a wine press and "merge" them into one..?? > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Vincent Poy > > To: Bill Morrow > > Cc: richard ; > > Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 2:19 AM > > Subject: Re: 570 > > > > > > > On Thu, 6 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > > > A question - there is a lot of pre-loaded software, much of it > > seemingly > > > > > useless. Any way to figure out what is installed and what it does? > > Some > > > > > uninstalls from add/remove programs, some doesn't. > > > > > > > > is there not a recovery CD with the 570..??and a preload software CD..?? > > > > there should be.. > > > > > > I thought the recovery CD basically would wipe the HD clean and > > > install the OS and all the pre-loaded software as how the machine is out > > > of the box. What does the preload software CD do? I never got one of > > > those with my 385ED (2635-5EU) so is it basically like everything IBM > > > loads on top of the barebones OEM Windows OS allowing you to install > > > everything like how the machines shipped? > > > > > > > in any event, i suggest you inspect the preloaded apps for those that > > > > you would like to keep.. > > > > > > Is there anyway to actually save the preloaded apps, utilities to > > > like zip or CD-R and then reinstall it on another system? > > > > > > > > Or is it better just to reinstall win98, add the drivers from the IBM > > web > > > > > site and proceed. > > > > > > > > there are, most likely, some nice utilities that will disappear.. > > > > unless there is a preload CD as supplied with the 770X and Z > > > > machines.. > > > > > > Hmm, still trying to figure out what the preload CD is exactly. > > > > > > > > Another question - anyone have any feelings regarding win98 v. win2000 > > beta > > > > > 3 v. win98 SE on a Thinkpad? (everyone one I've asked prefers win98 > > to win95). > > > > > > > > be careful of win2000 beta.. > > > > might cause erratic behavious when running with other apps.. > > > > win98 seems better that win95B... > > > > > > Hmmm, that's true... > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > [__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 8 01:48:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA26415 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12482; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 May 1999 01:47:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12355; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12342; Sat, 8 May 1999 01:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 May 1999 01:47:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA02227; Fri, 7 May 1999 22:46:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 22:46:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Donald Mak , richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 In-Reply-To: <3733CE2A.FB9C90CC@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 8 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Hi Bill, > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Fri, 7 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > > > > > If you will be upgrading to Win98 then the best option is to do a fresh > > > install of windows and just install the programs you want of the > > > Customization CD and download the latest TP drivers. (The only things you > > > really would lose are the bitmaps. Everything else should be on the CD if > > > you want it. > > > > Nope, that's not my problem... The thing is I already have a > > TP385ED with all the stuff I want on it and I'm planning to get a 770Z > > to replace it but since the OS is identical on both machines and my > > Win98 is the Government version without the US DOJ stuff removed, I just > > want to see if there was a way I can just copy everything over and still > > have the stuff the 770Z ships with. So IBM does provide everything to > > just install on top of Win98 to get a pre-load? > > you can try using the 385 drive in the 770.. win9x will have fits > about the drivers and so on, but SHOULD eventually hand you a fairly > decent OS..then you can add the 770Z apps from the Software Selections > CD.. Hmmm, only problem is that I can't get the drive out of my 385 since the screw that is securing the bracket seems to be so tight that it won't losen. So can I basically just mount the 770Z HD to the 385ED and drivecopy the entire drive and then load the Software Selections CD? Will this include all the apps, drivers, utilities for the multimedia? > > > In your case you probably already have Win98 so just uninstall what you > > > don't want. Then use a good registry cleanup program to remove all the > > > garbage left behind. MS products are the worst at leaving the registry > > > bloated with trash that over time makes the system boot much slower... > > > > Hmmm, what about merging two machines together? > > i'm not sure what you mean here..is it that you want to turn two > thinkpads loose in a breeding cage and hope for a baby workpad..?? > :-) I just want to put all the goodies the 770Z comes with on top of a existing system I have already =) > or perhaps put the same two machine in a wine press and "merge" them > into one..?? Haha, that's a good one... Thanks for your help Bill.. I really appreciate it and hope I can get that pricing on the 770Z from you with the options that I wanted like I know what's available. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Vincent Poy > > > To: Bill Morrow > > > Cc: richard ; > > > Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 2:19 AM > > > Subject: Re: 570 > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 6 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > > > > > A question - there is a lot of pre-loaded software, much of it > > > seemingly > > > > > > useless. Any way to figure out what is installed and what it does? > > > Some > > > > > > uninstalls from add/remove programs, some doesn't. > > > > > > > > > > is there not a recovery CD with the 570..??and a preload software CD..?? > > > > > there should be.. > > > > > > > > I thought the recovery CD basically would wipe the HD clean and > > > > install the OS and all the pre-loaded software as how the machine is out > > > > of the box. What does the preload software CD do? I never got one of > > > > those with my 385ED (2635-5EU) so is it basically like everything IBM > > > > loads on top of the barebones OEM Windows OS allowing you to install > > > > everything like how the machines shipped? > > > > > > > > > in any event, i suggest you inspect the preloaded apps for those that > > > > > you would like to keep.. > > > > > > > > Is there anyway to actually save the preloaded apps, utilities to > > > > like zip or CD-R and then reinstall it on another system? > > > > > > > > > > Or is it better just to reinstall win98, add the drivers from the IBM > > > web > > > > > > site and proceed. > > > > > > > > > > there are, most likely, some nice utilities that will disappear.. > > > > > unless there is a preload CD as supplied with the 770X and Z > > > > > machines.. > > > > > > > > Hmm, still trying to figure out what the preload CD is exactly. > > > > > > > > > > Another question - anyone have any feelings regarding win98 v. win2000 > > > beta > > > > > > 3 v. win98 SE on a Thinkpad? (everyone one I've asked prefers win98 > > > to win95). > > > > > > > > > > be careful of win2000 beta.. > > > > > might cause erratic behavious when running with other apps.. > > > > > win98 seems better that win95B... > > > > > > > > Hmmm, that's true... > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > > ____ > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > > [__ ] > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > > __] ] > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > > __] ] > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 8 05:40:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA27396 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 05:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28080; Sat, 8 May 1999 05:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 May 1999 05:38:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27942; Sat, 8 May 1999 05:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27879; Sat, 8 May 1999 05:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (137.248.9.7 -> Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 May 1999 05:34:59 -0400 Received: from mni.fh-giessen.de (sppp071.Stud-PPP.Uni-Marburg.DE [137.248.9.203]) by Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA40468 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 11:34:50 +0200 Message-ID: <3734052D.D60261F3@mni.fh-giessen.de> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 11:34:37 +0200 From: Thomas Dickel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de]C-NECCK (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP760] Re: cache question (was Re: machine type question) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 01 May 1999 "peter machule" wrote: >No >The MX could cache more than 64MB. >BUT it required an extra external Tag Ram . >No idea if the 760's had this chip . >..peter.. Is there someone who can measure the speed of the TP760XL with 64 and with more than 64MB? If there is a speed cange, I think it would imply to stay best with 64MB. >-----Original Message----- >From: David Lee >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Date: Saturday, May 01, 1999 4:28 PM >Subject: [Fwd: cache question (was Re: machine type question)] > >>I believe all Intel Pentium chipsets could only cache the first 64meg >>like the MX, VX, TX. The first intel chipset that could cache over 64meg >>was the Pentium Pro chipset (440FX) and the later Pentium II chipsets >>(440LX, 440BX) and Xeon chipsets (440GX, 450NX). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 8 07:59:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA27819 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 07:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02463; Sat, 8 May 1999 07:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 May 1999 07:58:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02371; Sat, 8 May 1999 07:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02357; Sat, 8 May 1999 07:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (137.248.9.7 -> Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 May 1999 07:58:01 -0400 Received: from mni.fh-giessen.de (sppp076.Stud-PPP.Uni-Marburg.DE [137.248.9.208]) by Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA38522 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 13:57:55 +0200 Message-ID: <373426BC.17B59FAB@mni.fh-giessen.de> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 13:57:48 +0200 From: Thomas Dickel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de]C-NECCK (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [Fwd: [TP760] Re: cache question (was Re: machine type question)] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------8AE03571A7119EF8077B0128" List-Unsubscribe: Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. --------------8AE03571A7119EF8077B0128 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 01 May 1999 "peter machule" wrote: >No >The MX could cache more than 64MB. >BUT it required an extra external Tag Ram . >No idea if the 760's had this chip . >..peter.. Is there someone who can measure the speed of the TP760XL with 64 and with more than 64MB? If there is a speed cange, I think it would imply to stay best with 64MB. >-----Original Message----- >From: David Lee >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Date: Saturday, May 01, 1999 4:28 PM >Subject: [Fwd: cache question (was Re: machine type question)] > >>I believe all Intel Pentium chipsets could only cache the first 64meg >>like the MX, VX, TX. The first intel chipset that could cache over 4meg >>was the Pentium Pro chipset (440FX) and the later Pentium II chipsets >>(440LX, 440BX) and Xeon chipsets (440GX, 450NX). --------------8AE03571A7119EF8077B0128 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <3734052D.D60261F3@mni.fh-giessen.de> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 11:34:37 +0200 From: Thomas Dickel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de]C-NECCK (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP760] Re: cache question (was Re: machine type question) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 01 May 1999 "peter machule" wrote: >No >The MX could cache more than 64MB. >BUT it required an extra external Tag Ram . >No idea if the 760's had this chip . >..peter.. Is there someone who can measure the speed of the TP760XL with 64 and with more than 64MB? If there is a speed cange, I think it would imply to stay best with 64MB. >-----Original Message----- >From: David Lee >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Date: Saturday, May 01, 1999 4:28 PM >Subject: [Fwd: cache question (was Re: machine type question)] > >>I believe all Intel Pentium chipsets could only cache the first 64meg >>like the MX, VX, TX. The first intel chipset that could cache over 64meg >>was the Pentium Pro chipset (440FX) and the later Pentium II chipsets >>(440LX, 440BX) and Xeon chipsets (440GX, 450NX). --------------8AE03571A7119EF8077B0128-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 8 11:08:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28743 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 11:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07324; Sat, 8 May 1999 11:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 May 1999 11:07:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07187; Sat, 8 May 1999 11:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07171; Sat, 8 May 1999 11:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (149.159.1.1 -> fallout.campusview.indiana.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 May 1999 11:07:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20106; Sat, 8 May 1999 10:07:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 10:07:26 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "David W. Taylor" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP600] Garbage on screen In-Reply-To: <000701be98e3$2de6a140$0201a8c0@brightware.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 7 May 1999, David W. Taylor wrote: > Not here. > > I have been very happily using NT 4 SP4 and the 3.22Q video driver in 16bpp > mode for months with no problems at all! Small clarification, I'm talking about the 600E and I just checked the web site and see that the buggy driver for that model has been pulled in favor of the older version. -john From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 8 11:12:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28779 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 11:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07744; Sat, 8 May 1999 11:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 May 1999 11:11:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07606; Sat, 8 May 1999 11:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07584; Sat, 8 May 1999 11:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (130.89.220.2 -> studict.student.utwente.nl) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 May 1999 11:11:24 -0400 Received: from brunhilde (cal048104.student.utwente.nl [130.89.230.64]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id RAA29541; Sat, 8 May 1999 17:11:17 +0200 (METDST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990508171013.009694f0@mail.student.utwente.nl> X-Sender: s9503943@mail.student.utwente.nl X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 17:11:07 +0200 To: John Fieber , "David W. Taylor" From: Jorg Spek Subject: Re: [TP600] Garbage on screen Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <000701be98e3$2de6a140$0201a8c0@brightware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: At 10:07 8-5-99 -0500, John Fieber wrote: >On Fri, 7 May 1999, David W. Taylor wrote: > >> Not here. >>=20 >> I have been very happily using NT 4 SP4 and the 3.22Q video driver in= 16bpp >> mode for months with no problems at all! > >Small clarification, I'm talking about the 600E and I just >checked the web site and see that the buggy driver for that model >has been pulled in favor of the older version. > >-john Thanx for the reactions! Nothing helped though.. :( I'm using win98 on a 600 (no E). Greets, Jorg 'I am the Jorg. Resistance is futile.' =A9 StarTrek: First Contact From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 8 11:19:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28831 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 11:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08495; Sat, 8 May 1999 11:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 May 1999 11:18:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08288; Sat, 8 May 1999 11:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate4.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08274; Sat, 8 May 1999 11:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate4.ricochet.net (204.179.143.4 -> rgate4.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 May 1999 11:18:20 -0400 Received: from zorro (mg131-109.ricochet.net [204.179.131.109]) by rgate4.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA17443; Sat, 8 May 1999 10:18:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004001be9965$f6708b30$0201a8c0@brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "John Fieber" , "Jorg Spek" Cc: References: <000701be98e3$2de6a140$0201a8c0@brightware.com> <4.1.19990508171013.009694f0@mail.student.utwente.nl> Subject: Re: [TP600] Garbage on screen Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 08:17:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: In that case, Jorg, it is very likely that you have malfunctioning hardware. The next step is to contact IBM, who will most likely fix it for you for free. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorg Spek To: John Fieber ; David W. Taylor Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 08, 1999 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [TP600] Garbage on screen Thanx for the reactions! Nothing helped though.. :( I'm using win98 on a 600 (no E). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 8 12:23:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA29256 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 12:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06572; Sat, 8 May 1999 10:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 May 1999 10:50:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06322; Sat, 8 May 1999 10:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06309; Sat, 8 May 1999 10:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.36 -> mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 May 1999 10:50:22 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.15.74]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990508145018.CCJO25584@770> for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 14:50:18 +0000 Message-ID: <37344F32.2AF4@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 10:50:26 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: FS: ThinkPad CD-ROMS References: <005301be9619$df7ccf00$657dc897@thomsonp> <372F12CF.E1C3E7D5@icanect.net> <001201be96ae$4d143b40$ec78c897@thomsonp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a small quantity of 6C CD-ROMS for the 760/765 series ThinkPads. They are brand new, with manual and driver disk $75.00 each plus shipping From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 8 13:47:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA29795 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 13:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14273; Sat, 8 May 1999 13:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 May 1999 13:46:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14118; Sat, 8 May 1999 13:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14105; Sat, 8 May 1999 13:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 May 1999 13:46:08 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip-32-101-169-179.nj.us.ibm.net [32.101.169.179]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA86850; Sat, 8 May 1999 17:45:57 GMT Message-ID: <000001be997b$75861060$b3a96520@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Vincent Poy" Cc: "richard" , References: <3733CE2A.FB9C90CC@icanect.net> Subject: Re: 570 Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 12:22:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morrow Subject: Re: 570 Bill, Approx. how many can I expect per litter? Don > Vincent.. > > i'm not sure what you mean here..is it that you want to turn two thinkpads loose > in a breeding cage and hope for a baby workpad..?? :-) > or perhaps put the same two machine in a wine press and "merge" them into one..?? > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 8 15:09:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00447 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 15:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17405; Sat, 8 May 1999 15:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 May 1999 15:07:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17245; Sat, 8 May 1999 15:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17223; Sat, 8 May 1999 15:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235 -> smtp2.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 May 1999 15:07:52 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA25139 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 15:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990508150216.009111a0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 15:07:55 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: misc software Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Does IBM Update Connector check anything other than that I have the latest BIOS? Update Connector was pre-installed on my 570. It has a collect info and send it phase, which only seems to list the BIOS info. I also have JRE (Java Runtime Environment) pre-installed. Do other programs use this, or can I safely delete it? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 9 05:28:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA07371 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 05:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29207; Sun, 9 May 1999 05:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 May 1999 05:24:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27420; Sun, 9 May 1999 05:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27329; Sun, 9 May 1999 05:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 May 1999 05:24:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA11804 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 02:24:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 02:24:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad's - where to buy? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Greetings everyone, Does anyone have some good suggestions on places to get the ThinkPad 770Z's at a reasonable price and also offer some kind of return policy without restocking like how companies like Dell, Gateway are doing it? Thanks. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 9 08:45:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA07963 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 08:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05135; Sun, 9 May 1999 08:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 May 1999 08:44:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05007; Sun, 9 May 1999 08:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04903; Sun, 9 May 1999 08:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.1 -> dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 May 1999 08:42:53 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA00758; Sun, 9 May 1999 07:42:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alb-ny6-09.ix.netcom.com(198.211.83.73) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000692; Sun May 9 07:41:49 1999 Message-ID: <3735837C.1BA3@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 08:45:48 -0400 From: Harvey Organization: What me Worry. com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad's - where to buy? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vincent Poy wrote: > > Greetings everyone, > > Does anyone have some good suggestions on places to get the > ThinkPad 770Z's at a reasonable price and also offer some kind of return > policy without restocking like how companies like Dell, Gateway are doing > it? Thanks. > The best way to purchase a Thinkpad is to review the ads in a laptop mag. Select a dealer closest to you, and arrange to make an immediate purchase in his/her store, after you work out all the details via email or telephone. Details of warranty, rma, etc MUST be concluded prior. It is vital that the Thinkpad be available for imnmediate delivery. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 9 11:06:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08780 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 11:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07823; Sun, 9 May 1999 11:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 May 1999 11:05:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07684; Sun, 9 May 1999 11:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07671; Sun, 9 May 1999 11:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (207.66.82.36 -> mailer.cia-g.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 May 1999 11:04:56 -0400 Received: from raybay (gup-029-dpm1.cia-g.com [207.66.82.93]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA10436; Sun, 9 May 1999 09:03:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003101be9a2c$712d8640$5d5242cf@raybay> From: "Ray Bay" To: "Harvey" , "Vincent Poy" Cc: References: <3735837C.1BA3@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: ThinkPad's - where to buy? Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 08:58:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I think there is a bit more to it than that. I would check the experience of members to this list. Many mail order outfits will not accept a return nowadays. You have to rassle with the manufacturer. It is often better to buy from a reliable mail order firm for a few dollars more. Users of this list have given good ratings to www.necx.com, www.pcconnection.com, www.cdw.com, www.warehouse.com, and of course IBM. I think there are some members of this list who sell them who have provided good service. Some companies who sell low are selling "open box" goods that have been used in the store as demos, or have been returned for a reason. Before you order >from a company you don't know, a check with the better business bureau is in order. Then you must specify in your order what is acceptable and not acceptable. Buy with a credit card if you can for the additional protection that they give (VISA, MasterCard anyway). I think it is also important to deal with a business which is a business... meaning it has been in business for a year or more, and will be there for a while. If the economy starts to drop off from this fantastic three years we have experienced, many companies will disappear fast... maybe with your money. Those firms that have been certified as IBM dealers will also cost more but are usually worth it. Saying all that, I have had some of my best luck with ebay, onsale, and members of this list about whom I knew nothing. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 9 11:26:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08930 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 11:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08619; Sun, 9 May 1999 11:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 May 1999 11:25:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08493; Sun, 9 May 1999 11:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08473; Sun, 9 May 1999 11:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 May 1999 11:25:37 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-162.usc.edu [128.125.223.162]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA05702; Sun, 9 May 1999 08:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990506230401.01cb24b0@rcf.usc.edu> Message-Id: <4.1.19990506230401.01cb24b0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 23:05:05 -0700 To: "Stanley Chen" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <002701be972a$80eeb220$b7c67681@Stan.hous.ttu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:07 PM 5/5/99 -0500, you wrote: >>> The beauty of most of the Port cases is that they cradle >>> your notebook in >>> a "sling" with dead air underneath. This allows a *lot* more leeway when >>> or if you should drop the thing, as foam pads compress and don't allow as >>> much "give" to protect the computer. >> >>But beware! The Port sling suspension is fastened by two hard plastic >>buckles. There is *nothing* separating these buckles from the top of your You're talking about a different sling design. The "true" sling design does *not* have any buckles involved. And it works incredibly well. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 9 13:10:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09619 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11791; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 May 1999 13:07:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11614; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.flash.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11600; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.flash.net (209.30.0.41 -> ares.flash.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 May 1999 13:07:29 -0400 Received: from s9i5e3 (p236-161.atnt2.dialup.ftw1.flash.net [209.30.236.161]) by ares.flash.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA16304 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 12:07:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001f01be9a3e$aa306220$a1ec1ed1@s9i5e3> From: "Tom Collins" Cc: Subject: Thinkpad 560E and X Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 12:09:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I recently bought a used TP 560X and the seller reformatted the HD and therefore none of the specific software for TP's is on it. I just got another TP and it is a 560E with all that software. I like those handy utilities after being able to play with them. Question: How can I get all thos back onto the X from the E? Thanks, Tom From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 9 14:45:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA10207 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14733; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 May 1999 14:44:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14599; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14586; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (200.0.213.47) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 May 1999 14:44:14 -0400 Received: from pcleandro ([200.0.213.33]) by dialup.com.ar (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA06298 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:42:19 -0300 From: "Leandro Rzezak" To: Subject: External Keyboard & mouse Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 15:46:46 -0300 Message-ID: <000201be9a4c$4a483230$21d500c8@pcleandro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <001f01be9a3e$aa306220$a1ec1ed1@s9i5e3> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I have a thinkpad 600, it does not have any connector for an external keyboard but it has for PS/2 mouse. Anybody know how can I connect both devices? Thank you in advance.. Leandro From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 9 14:51:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA10247 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15219; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 May 1999 14:49:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15084; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15056; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 May 1999 14:49:40 -0400 Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-101-173-153.va.us.ibm.net [32.101.173.153]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA84152; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:49:27 GMT Message-ID: <3735D861.4D2858AF@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 14:48:01 -0400 From: David Lee Reply-To: bond_007@ibm.net Organization: Self X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leandro Rzezak CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: External Keyboard & mouse References: <000201be9a4c$4a483230$21d500c8@pcleandro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: What you need is a PS/2 Y-splitter. I don't know the part number but IBMs PC website sells it online as does most mail order companies. This device will plug into your PS/2 Mouse port and then splits so you can connect both the keyboard and the mouse. Leandro Rzezak wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a thinkpad 600, it does not have any connector for an external > keyboard but it has for PS/2 mouse. > > Anybody know how can I connect both devices? > > Thank you in advance.. > > Leandro From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 9 20:39:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13635 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24667; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 May 1999 20:37:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24504; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fafner.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24491; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fafner.Stanford.EDU (171.65.76.124 -> genome.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 May 1999 20:37:54 -0400 Received: (from jgo@localhost) by fafner.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25593; Sun, 9 May 1999 17:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 17:37:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John Olyarchuk X-Sender: jgo@fafner.Stanford.EDU To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=99040112150229339 Content-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --99040112150229339 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-ID: Content-Description: Masthead (information about thinkpad-digest) Hi, I am about to order a 770Z and, as a docking/network solution, am trying to decide between a Selectabase 770 (IBM #83H6735)/PC Card Enabler with Etherjet (IBM #05K4820) and a Mobility Dock with Ethernet for TP770 (Mobility Electronics #IB0751103-10). There is the obvious difference in price (+~150) and the option of adding PCMCIA cards to the base in the IBM solution. I am concerned about reliability and integration issues with the third party (Mobility) solution, as well as anything else I may have overlooked. Any experience/opinions/insights will be *greatly* appreciated. Thanks, John ____________________________________________ John G. Olyarchuk, MD Postdoctoral Fellow, Genome Bioinformatics Biochemistry Department Beckman Center B400, MC5307 Stanford University School of Medicine Palo Alto, California 94305-5307 USA lab: 650-498-5998 fax: 650-723-6783 page: 650-317-7701 email: jgo@genome.stanford.edu --99040112150229339-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 9 20:41:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13648 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25036; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 May 1999 20:40:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24805; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nfs1-1.bctel.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24788; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nfs1-1.bctel.ca (207.194.28.68 -> lakecity-m68.bctel.ca) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 May 1999 20:40:06 -0400 Received: from defiant (00-00-86-1d-bf-b1.bconnected.net [209.53.10.22]) by nfs1-1.bctel.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA02265; Sun, 9 May 1999 17:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ryan Hung" To: "Steven Augart" , Subject: RE: Thinkpad Suspend [TP600] Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 17:39:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000001be9a7d$93c4f2a0$160a35d1@defiant.bconnected.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <37338970.5772E031@ISI.EDU> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I had a similar problem on my TP600 before. It turns out that Win 95/98 won't let you suspend if you have any open network connections. Ensure that all network services (e.g. filesharing) are disconnected before suspending. Win 98 comes with a Net Watcher program that allows you to check this (in Accessories/System Tools). Ryan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Augart [mailto:swa@ISI.EDU] > Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 5:47 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Thinkpad Suspend [TP600] > > > My TP600 won't go into suspend mode. When I try to manually suspend > it, it just beeps at me. > > I started having problems suspending a month or two ago, where the TP > would hang when going into suspend mode. After a few of these (where > I used the pen switch to stop the computer), I was prompted "you've > had trouble suspending this computer; shall I disable suspend > altogether"? > > I said "yes", and now don't know how to re-enable it. > > Also, has anyone had problems with suspend the computer like I > describe above? > > --Steve Augart > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 9 21:02:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA13808 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26140; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 May 1999 21:00:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25995; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25973; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 May 1999 21:00:49 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.14.100]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990510010046.CCXX18258@770>; Mon, 10 May 1999 01:00:46 +0000 Message-ID: <37362FBF.4D25@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 21:00:47 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Olyarchuk CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If you look on ebay, you can find SelectaDock 3's for $300 and LESS. Would that not be a better solution, as it has the extra PCMCIA slots, SCSI, and three PCI slots to add anything you want? John Olyarchuk wrote: > > Hi, > > I am about to order a 770Z and, as a docking/network solution, am trying > to decide between a Selectabase 770 (IBM #83H6735)/PC Card Enabler with > Etherjet (IBM #05K4820) and a Mobility Dock with Ethernet for TP770 > (Mobility Electronics #IB0751103-10). > > There is the obvious difference in price (+~150) and the option of adding > PCMCIA cards to the base in the IBM solution. > > I am concerned about reliability and integration issues with the third > party (Mobility) solution, as well as anything else I may have overlooked. > > Any experience/opinions/insights will be *greatly* appreciated. > > Thanks, > > John > > ____________________________________________ > John G. Olyarchuk, MD > Postdoctoral Fellow, Genome Bioinformatics > Biochemistry Department > Beckman Center B400, MC5307 > Stanford University School of Medicine > Palo Alto, California 94305-5307 USA > lab: 650-498-5998 > fax: 650-723-6783 > page: 650-317-7701 > email: jgo@genome.stanford.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 00:27:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA17117 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04184; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 00:25:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04008; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03971; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 00:25:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA17272; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:25:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Harvey cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad's - where to buy? In-Reply-To: <3735837C.1BA3@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 9 May 1999, Harvey wrote: > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > Greetings everyone, > > > > Does anyone have some good suggestions on places to get the > > ThinkPad 770Z's at a reasonable price and also offer some kind of return > > policy without restocking like how companies like Dell, Gateway are doing > > it? Thanks. > > The best way to purchase a Thinkpad is to review the ads in a laptop > mag. Select a dealer closest to you, and arrange to make an immediate > purchase in his/her store, after you work out all the details via email > or telephone. Details of warranty, rma, etc MUST be concluded prior. It > is vital that the Thinkpad be available for imnmediate delivery. Thanks for the tip. What is a good laptop magazine that has lots of ads for ThinkPad dealers? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 00:28:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA17123 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03917; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 00:23:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03720; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03706; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 00:23:43 -0400 Received: from dan (ws-209-233-224-70.pacbell.net [209.233.224.70] (may be forged)) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id VAA29461; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:22:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan Galender" To: , "John Olyarchuk" Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:21:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: John- I've got a 770Z and evaluated both the Mobility and the Selectabase 770. Based (no pun intended) on esthetics, I prefered the Mobility unit (as I didn't care about the keylock feature), but ended up going with IBM because the Mobility solution does *not* support either warm or hot docking or undocking (as the IBM does). I didn't want to have to power the 770 off every time I docked or undocked. Hope this experience is useful for you. Best regards, -Dan Galender ------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Galender Email: dan@galender.com Galender & Associates, Inc. Phone: 510/728-4700 http://www.galender.com Fax: 510/728-4701 -----Original Message----- From: John Olyarchuk [mailto:jgo@genome.stanford.edu] Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 5:38 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Hi, I am about to order a 770Z and, as a docking/network solution, am trying to decide between a Selectabase 770 (IBM #83H6735)/PC Card Enabler with Etherjet (IBM #05K4820) and a Mobility Dock with Ethernet for TP770 (Mobility Electronics #IB0751103-10). There is the obvious difference in price (+~150) and the option of adding PCMCIA cards to the base in the IBM solution. I am concerned about reliability and integration issues with the third party (Mobility) solution, as well as anything else I may have overlooked. Any experience/opinions/insights will be *greatly* appreciated. Thanks, John ____________________________________________ John G. Olyarchuk, MD Postdoctoral Fellow, Genome Bioinformatics Biochemistry Department Beckman Center B400, MC5307 Stanford University School of Medicine Palo Alto, California 94305-5307 USA lab: 650-498-5998 fax: 650-723-6783 page: 650-317-7701 email: jgo@genome.stanford.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 00:44:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA17378 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05644; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 00:42:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05514; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05501; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 00:42:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA17496; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:42:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:42:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Dan Galender cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, John Olyarchuk Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 9 May 1999, Dan Galender wrote: I too am considering the 770Z and would like some comments from you guys regarding the screen size and the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter. I noticed that the 8 meg Video version comes with the 13.7" screen as opposed to the 14.1" screen. I know the 13.7" does a higher resolution but is there a reason why IBM made the screen smaller or are the two different types of screens? Also, for the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter, is that really needed for smooth full screen playback of DVD and MPEG-1 and does the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter help much? Also, I see that the 770Z can support up to 320 megs of ram but doesn't the unit only have 2 memory slots with one already taken by the system when it's shipped, so wouldn't that make it only 256 megs total? Last question, I noticed that the 770Z comes with a build in modem, is this based on X2 w/v90 or is it a K56Flex w/90 modem since it seems like all the X2 based modems w/v90 seems to perform better for PCMCIA cards. Also, I noticed both Dan and John are in the San Francisco Bay Area. I'm in SF and could use some pointers of where I can get the 770Z locally or even mail-order with a good return policy in case it isn't what I wanted. Thanks everyone! Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > John- > > I've got a 770Z and evaluated both the Mobility and the Selectabase 770. > Based (no pun intended) on esthetics, I prefered the Mobility unit (as I > didn't care about the keylock feature), but ended up going with IBM because > the Mobility solution does *not* support either warm or hot docking or > undocking (as the IBM does). I didn't want to have to power the 770 off > every time I docked or undocked. > > Hope this experience is useful for you. > > > > Best regards, > > -Dan Galender > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Dan Galender Email: dan@galender.com > Galender & Associates, Inc. Phone: 510/728-4700 > http://www.galender.com Fax: 510/728-4701 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Olyarchuk [mailto:jgo@genome.stanford.edu] > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 5:38 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > > > Hi, > > I am about to order a 770Z and, as a docking/network solution, am trying > to decide between a Selectabase 770 (IBM #83H6735)/PC Card Enabler with > Etherjet (IBM #05K4820) and a Mobility Dock with Ethernet for TP770 > (Mobility Electronics #IB0751103-10). > > There is the obvious difference in price (+~150) and the option of adding > PCMCIA cards to the base in the IBM solution. > > I am concerned about reliability and integration issues with the third > party (Mobility) solution, as well as anything else I may have overlooked. > > Any experience/opinions/insights will be *greatly* appreciated. > > Thanks, > > John > > ____________________________________________ > John G. Olyarchuk, MD > Postdoctoral Fellow, Genome Bioinformatics > Biochemistry Department > Beckman Center B400, MC5307 > Stanford University School of Medicine > Palo Alto, California 94305-5307 USA > lab: 650-498-5998 > fax: 650-723-6783 > page: 650-317-7701 > email: jgo@genome.stanford.edu > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 00:47:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA17616 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06021; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 00:46:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05867; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05853; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 00:46:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA17517; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:46:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:46:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Ray Bay cc: Harvey , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad's - where to buy? In-Reply-To: <003101be9a2c$712d8640$5d5242cf@raybay> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 9 May 1999, Ray Bay wrote: Thanks Ray for your very helpful pointers. From the vendors that you've mentioned, I thought cdw, warehouse and pcconnection all don't allow returns unless defective. I'm not sure about necx.com since I've never tried them but I always thought they only sold NEC products. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > I think there is a bit more to it than that. I would check the experience > of members to this list. Many mail order outfits will not accept a return > nowadays. You have to rassle with the manufacturer. It is often better to > buy from a reliable mail order firm for a few dollars more. Users of this > list have given good ratings to www.necx.com, www.pcconnection.com, > www.cdw.com, www.warehouse.com, and of course IBM. I think there are some > members of this list who sell them who have provided good service. Some > companies who sell low are selling "open box" goods that have been used in > the store as demos, or have been returned for a reason. Before you order > from a company you don't know, a check with the better business bureau is in > order. Then you must specify in your order what is acceptable and not > acceptable. Buy with a credit card if you can for the additional protection > that they give (VISA, MasterCard anyway). I think it is also important to > deal with a business which is a business... meaning it has been in business > for a year or more, and will be there for a while. If the economy starts to > drop off from this fantastic three years we have experienced, many companies > will disappear fast... maybe with your money. Those firms that have been > certified as IBM dealers will also cost more but are usually worth it. > > Saying all that, I have had some of my best luck with ebay, onsale, and > members of this list about whom I knew nothing. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 01:55:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA18637 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 01:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07985; Mon, 10 May 1999 01:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 01:53:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07855; Mon, 10 May 1999 01:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07842; Mon, 10 May 1999 01:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 01:53:33 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-40.gate.net [199.227.131.103]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA48918; Mon, 10 May 1999 01:54:48 -0400 Message-ID: <37367452.B8D6FDAB@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:53:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Mak CC: Vincent Poy , richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 570 References: <3733CE2A.FB9C90CC@icanect.net> <000001be997b$75861060$b3a96520@thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hehheh... Donald Mak wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morrow > Subject: Re: 570 > > Bill, > Approx. how many can I expect per litter? > normally we call these a "clutch".. not a litter.. too close to Liter..in any event, a normal clutch will produce several small black square eggs with a tiny IBM logo.. when they hatch out, you will then know what you have.. a workpad, or a 701 or even a 770.. (yes, 701's are still coming out) the problem is in the diet to achieve maturity.. normally, a diet consisting of trace amounts of latex and silicone with larger amounts of plastic, carbon, gold, copper, steel and so forth will suffice, but these requirements change and the late term diet is difficult to manage.. (this is why some infant thinkpads reach maturity with what are called dual scan displays).. thus the term infant mortality.. (i have hed some baby thinkpads actually expire while i was hand feeding them).. NOW, are you not sorry you asked..? :-) > Don > > > Vincent.. > > > > i'm not sure what you mean here..is it that you want to turn two thinkpads > loose > > in a breeding cage and hope for a baby workpad..?? :-) > > or perhaps put the same two machine in a wine press and "merge" them into > one..?? > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 02:03:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA18855 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 02:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08533; Mon, 10 May 1999 02:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 02:00:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08379; Mon, 10 May 1999 02:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08358; Mon, 10 May 1999 02:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 02:00:23 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-40.gate.net [199.227.131.103]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA404890; Mon, 10 May 1999 02:01:41 -0400 Message-ID: <373675F0.9DC7AAD0@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 02:00:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Olyarchuk CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John.. never heard of Mobility.. until now.. ask if they are ThinkPad Proven.. if so, then they must meet certain IBM specifications and i would have confidence with the product.. John Olyarchuk wrote: > Hi, > > I am about to order a 770Z and, as a docking/network solution, am trying > to decide between a Selectabase 770 (IBM #83H6735)/PC Card Enabler with > Etherjet (IBM #05K4820) and a Mobility Dock with Ethernet for TP770 > (Mobility Electronics #IB0751103-10). > > There is the obvious difference in price (+~150) and the option of adding > PCMCIA cards to the base in the IBM solution. > > I am concerned about reliability and integration issues with the third > party (Mobility) solution, as well as anything else I may have overlooked. > > Any experience/opinions/insights will be *greatly* appreciated. > > Thanks, > > John > > ____________________________________________ > John G. Olyarchuk, MD > Postdoctoral Fellow, Genome Bioinformatics > Biochemistry Department > Beckman Center B400, MC5307 > Stanford University School of Medicine > Palo Alto, California 94305-5307 USA > lab: 650-498-5998 > fax: 650-723-6783 > page: 650-317-7701 > email: jgo@genome.stanford.edu -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 05:12:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA19712 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 05:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15064; Mon, 10 May 1999 05:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 05:10:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14926; Mon, 10 May 1999 05:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bashanjr.bashan.co.il (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14912; Mon, 10 May 1999 05:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bashanjr.bashan.co.il (194.90.193.239) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 05:10:04 -0400 Received: by BASHANJR with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:16:40 +0200 Message-ID: <30D3BE0D35E6D01199AA00805FA1B8F12B01C9@BASHANAF> From: Eliezer Birinbom To: "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: NT BDC on a notebook Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:16:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" List-Unsubscribe: Hi, When installing NT server on a notebook, how is it possible to install it as a BDC, when the network adapter is installed only later in the process ? I am using a ThinkPad 770x, and intend to install NT Server 4 Hebrew Enabled. Thanks, Eliezer Birinbom Bashan Systems Tel: +972 (03) 9386914 Fax: +972 (03) 9023645 Mobile: +972 (053) 465781 mailto:eliezerb@bashan.co.il From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 06:39:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA20030 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26166; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 06:36:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25870; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25846; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 06:36:23 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pC19F4AD0.dip.t-online.de [193.159.74.208]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id J2GYWF2A; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:28:43 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Subject: RE: TP 770X DVD, Memory, Modem Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:36:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, I have a 770ED and did some spec. comparisons to the 770X and my machine and think that what I am about to say goes for the 770X also: - I would suggest against using DVD without a hardware decoder. I tried to use the software package XingDVD Player which does not make use of the hardware decoder on my 770ED and was completely disappointed by its performance. If - and I would imagine this goes for other machines attempting to only use software decoding - you try to bypass the hardware decoder and rely solely on the speed of your machine, the picture stutters. I.E. it will show a few frames of the movie (3-4 sec) and stop while the audio continues and then start up again. Not worth watching a movie at all... (I contacted Xing about this problem, but they told me to do what I had already done and were no help at all.) - The memory that the TP comes installed with does not take up any of the open slots - unless that amount of memory was not standard on that machine. For example, my 770 came with 64 MB RAM and both slots were empty. If the 770X comes originally with 128 MB - which it looks like it does - the two slots should be free for more memory. - I have drivers for the V.90 comm. for both 56Flex and X2 for my TP and got them from IBM's site. (I haven't used the Flex version for quite some time, however, so I don't know if it would work with my current settings. I had, however, the same results with both drivers - a so-called connect rate of 56K but really had averages of about 44K - on really good phone lines.) Steve p.s. If you have more questions about DVD, please write to me directly. I have fooled around with different settings over the past few months and have figured some other things out (especially with regards to playing DVDs from other than Region 1). ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) ________________________________________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 12:42 AM To: Dan Galender Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; John Olyarchuk Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z On Sun, 9 May 1999, Dan Galender wrote: I too am considering the 770Z and would like some comments from you guys regarding the screen size and the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter. I noticed that the 8 meg Video version comes with the 13.7" screen as opposed to the 14.1" screen. I know the 13.7" does a higher resolution but is there a reason why IBM made the screen smaller or are the two different types of screens? Also, for the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter, is that really needed for smooth full screen playback of DVD and MPEG-1 and does the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter help much? Also, I see that the 770Z can support up to 320 megs of ram but doesn't the unit only have 2 memory slots with one already taken by the system when it's shipped, so wouldn't that make it only 256 megs total? Last question, I noticed that the 770Z comes with a build in modem, is this based on X2 w/v90 or is it a K56Flex w/90 modem since it seems like all the X2 based modems w/v90 seems to perform better for PCMCIA cards. Also, I noticed both Dan and John are in the San Francisco Bay Area. I'm in SF and could use some pointers of where I can get the 770Z locally or even mail-order with a good return policy in case it isn't what I wanted. Thanks everyone! Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > John- > > I've got a 770Z and evaluated both the Mobility and the Selectabase 770. > Based (no pun intended) on esthetics, I prefered the Mobility unit (as I > didn't care about the keylock feature), but ended up going with IBM because > the Mobility solution does *not* support either warm or hot docking or > undocking (as the IBM does). I didn't want to have to power the 770 off > every time I docked or undocked. > > Hope this experience is useful for you. > > > > Best regards, > > -Dan Galender > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Dan Galender Email: dan@galender.com > Galender & Associates, Inc. Phone: 510/728-4700 > http://www.galender.com Fax: 510/728-4701 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Olyarchuk [mailto:jgo@genome.stanford.edu] > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 5:38 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > > > Hi, > > I am about to order a 770Z and, as a docking/network solution, am trying > to decide between a Selectabase 770 (IBM #83H6735)/PC Card Enabler with > Etherjet (IBM #05K4820) and a Mobility Dock with Ethernet for TP770 > (Mobility Electronics #IB0751103-10). > > There is the obvious difference in price (+~150) and the option of adding > PCMCIA cards to the base in the IBM solution. > > I am concerned about reliability and integration issues with the third > party (Mobility) solution, as well as anything else I may have overlooked. > > Any experience/opinions/insights will be *greatly* appreciated. > > Thanks, > > John > > ____________________________________________ > John G. Olyarchuk, MD > Postdoctoral Fellow, Genome Bioinformatics > Biochemistry Department > Beckman Center B400, MC5307 > Stanford University School of Medicine > Palo Alto, California 94305-5307 USA > lab: 650-498-5998 > fax: 650-723-6783 > page: 650-317-7701 > email: jgo@genome.stanford.edu > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 06:39:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA20031 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26159; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 06:36:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25901; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25886; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 06:36:37 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pC19F4AD0.dip.t-online.de [193.159.74.208]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id J2GYWF2C; Mon, 10 May 1999 06:28:59 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Eliezer Birinbom" , "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: RE: NT BDC on a notebook Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:36:21 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) In-Reply-To: <30D3BE0D35E6D01199AA00805FA1B8F12B01C9@BASHANAF> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Eliezer, I am only writing opinion when I say this, but you might not have much luck with loading NT Server (SP 4, etc.) on a ThinkPad. I have a 770ED and tried to do it the way you are talking about - by installing the NIC afterwards - and after 2 weeks gave up. I have Workstation (4.0, SP 4, etc) running great, but had no luck with Server (it didn't matter if it was set up as a PDC or BDC). However, when I talked to some IBM techs. about some other predicaments I was in, they said that it can be done (the word "somewhat" always worked its way into the sentence), but they have only seen it semi-succeed while being installed while attached to a network (of course, with NIC installed). I am an optimist and think it can be done - in the way just you mentioned - but ran out of time trying. (By the way, I also had a really difficult time getting Workstation installed when not connected to a network.) Please let me know - or anyone else for that matter - if you have luck with this. (For purposes of a temporary Domain Controller on our network, this would be very, very, very ideal.) Steve ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) ________________________________________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Eliezer Birinbom [mailto:eliezerb@bashan.co.il] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 6:16 AM To: 'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU' Subject: NT BDC on a notebook Hi, When installing NT server on a notebook, how is it possible to install it as a BDC, when the network adapter is installed only later in the process ? I am using a ThinkPad 770x, and intend to install NT Server 4 Hebrew Enabled. Thanks, Eliezer Birinbom Bashan Systems Tel: +972 (03) 9386914 Fax: +972 (03) 9023645 Mobile: +972 (053) 465781 mailto:eliezerb@bashan.co.il From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 07:10:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA20166 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27815; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 07:09:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27684; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27671; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 07:09:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA19685; Mon, 10 May 1999 04:09:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 04:09:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Steven N. Fettig" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP 770X DVD, Memory, Modem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 10 May 1999, Steven N. Fettig wrote: Hi Steven, I wonder with the hardware decoder option, what software will be needed to play DVD's and if it will do VCD's in hardware as well. As for the memory, I forgot where I red about it showing the machine only comes with 2 slots and one occupies it, it was one of the links to a online store from IBM Thinkpad page I think. About the modem, I thought the modem would be either X2 based or K56Flex based but not both and I know it's v90. It just seems like the 3Com/USR/MegaHertz modems have better connectivity than the K56Flex based Xircom based modems according to a recent PC Magazine test. I always get between 45.3k-49k on my 3Com 10/100 LAN + 56k X2/v90 16 bit Combo card. Now, I wished they had the Cardbus version back then since the 16 bit PCMCIA bus can't really do 100Mbps. Thanks for your input. P.S. Please let me know all the tips and other stuff in regards to DVD. Also, just out of curiousity, has anyone out there compared the Dell Inspiron 7000 and the Toshiba Tecra 8000 to the 770Z? I was wondering how they compare performancewise for both video and system performance for the 366Mhz PIII version. While I understand touchpad's are adjustable, it seems that the TrackPoint is easier to move around than even a real mouse unless some touchpad's have really improved over the past few years. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Vincent, > I have a 770ED and did some spec. comparisons to the 770X and my > machine and think that what I am about to say goes for the 770X also: > - I would suggest against using DVD without a hardware decoder. I tried to > use the software package XingDVD Player which does not make use of the > hardware decoder on my 770ED and was completely disappointed by its > performance. If - and I would imagine this goes for other machines > attempting to only use software decoding - you try to bypass the hardware > decoder and rely solely on the speed of your machine, the picture stutters. > I.E. it will show a few frames of the movie (3-4 sec) and stop while the > audio continues and then start up again. Not worth watching a movie at > all... (I contacted Xing about this problem, but they told me to do what I > had already done and were no help at all.) > - The memory that the TP comes installed with does not take up any of the > open slots - unless that amount of memory was not standard on that machine. > For example, my 770 came with 64 MB RAM and both slots were empty. If the > 770X comes originally with 128 MB - which it looks like it does - the two > slots should be free for more memory. > - I have drivers for the V.90 comm. for both 56Flex and X2 for my TP and got > them from IBM's site. (I haven't used the Flex version for quite some time, > however, so I don't know if it would work with my current settings. I had, > however, the same results with both drivers - a so-called connect rate of > 56K but really had averages of about 44K - on really good phone lines.) > > Steve > > p.s. If you have more questions about DVD, please write to me directly. I > have fooled around with different settings over the past few months and have > figured some other things out (especially with regards to playing DVDs from > other than Region 1). > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator > Hillsdale College > Hillsdale, MI > > Email: > snfettig@hillsdale.edu snfettig@pensys.com > > Tel: > (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 > (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 > 9667) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 12:42 AM > To: Dan Galender > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; John Olyarchuk > Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > > On Sun, 9 May 1999, Dan Galender wrote: > > I too am considering the 770Z and would like some comments from > you guys regarding the screen size and the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter. I > noticed that the 8 meg Video version comes with the 13.7" screen as > opposed to the 14.1" screen. I know the 13.7" does a higher resolution > but is there a reason why IBM made the screen smaller or are the two > different types of screens? Also, for the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter, is > that really needed for smooth full screen playback of DVD and MPEG-1 and > does the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter help much? Also, I see that the 770Z > can support up to 320 megs of ram but doesn't the unit only have 2 memory > slots with one already taken by the system when it's shipped, so wouldn't > that make it only 256 megs total? Last question, I noticed that the 770Z > comes with a build in modem, is this based on X2 w/v90 or is it a K56Flex > w/90 modem since it seems like all the X2 based modems w/v90 seems to > perform better for PCMCIA cards. Also, I noticed both Dan and John are in > the San Francisco Bay Area. I'm in SF and could use some pointers of > where I can get the 770Z locally or even mail-order with a good return > policy in case it isn't what I wanted. Thanks everyone! > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > John- > > > > I've got a 770Z and evaluated both the Mobility and the Selectabase 770. > > Based (no pun intended) on esthetics, I prefered the Mobility unit (as I > > didn't care about the keylock feature), but ended up going with IBM > because > > the Mobility solution does *not* support either warm or hot docking or > > undocking (as the IBM does). I didn't want to have to power the 770 off > > every time I docked or undocked. > > > > Hope this experience is useful for you. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > -Dan Galender > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Dan Galender Email: dan@galender.com > > Galender & Associates, Inc. Phone: 510/728-4700 > > http://www.galender.com Fax: 510/728-4701 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Olyarchuk [mailto:jgo@genome.stanford.edu] > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 5:38 PM > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I am about to order a 770Z and, as a docking/network solution, am trying > > to decide between a Selectabase 770 (IBM #83H6735)/PC Card Enabler with > > Etherjet (IBM #05K4820) and a Mobility Dock with Ethernet for TP770 > > (Mobility Electronics #IB0751103-10). > > > > There is the obvious difference in price (+~150) and the option of adding > > PCMCIA cards to the base in the IBM solution. > > > > I am concerned about reliability and integration issues with the third > > party (Mobility) solution, as well as anything else I may have overlooked. > > > > Any experience/opinions/insights will be *greatly* appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > > ____________________________________________ > > John G. Olyarchuk, MD > > Postdoctoral Fellow, Genome Bioinformatics > > Biochemistry Department > > Beckman Center B400, MC5307 > > Stanford University School of Medicine > > Palo Alto, California 94305-5307 USA > > lab: 650-498-5998 > > fax: 650-723-6783 > > page: 650-317-7701 > > email: jgo@genome.stanford.edu > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 08:04:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA20351 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29801; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 08:02:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29698; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29656; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 08:01:19 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-41.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.41]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA12022 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990510080550.01258cf8@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:05:50 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:42 PM 5/9/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: >On Sun, 9 May 1999, Dan Galender wrote: > > I too am considering the 770Z and would like some comments from >you guys regarding the screen size and the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter. I >noticed that the 8 meg Video version comes with the 13.7" screen as >opposed to the 14.1" screen. I know the 13.7" does a higher resolution >but is there a reason why IBM made the screen smaller or are the two >different types of screens? 13.7" TFT Panel = 1280x1024 resolution (8megs of video mem) 14.1" TFT Panel = 1024x768 resolution (4megs of video mem) Also, for the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter, is >that really needed for smooth full screen playback of DVD and MPEG-1 and >does the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter help much? Whilst the differences don't merit the cost on my 770z (but I got it anyway), there is a smoother, cleaner playback with the card. If you are a DVD purist, then go for it. Personally, most of my DVDs are watched on my home unit. >Also, I see that the 770Z >can support up to 320 megs of ram but doesn't the unit only have 2 memory >slots with one already taken by the system when it's shipped, so wouldn't >that make it only 256 megs total? 64megs are soldered onboard with two slots potentially empty. The 770z comes with 128megs initially (64megs onboard, and one slot has a 64meg IBM upgrade). To get the full 320megs, you need to remove the 64meg upgrade and install two 128meg SO-DIMMS (128+128+64) >Last question, I noticed that the 770Z >comes with a build in modem, is this based on X2 w/v90 or is it a K56Flex >w/90 modem since it seems like all the X2 based modems w/v90 seems to >perform better for PCMCIA cards. Modem is X2/V90, but for a lot of users, the performance is horrendous. I went with a USR/Megahertz X2/V90 Xjack modem and it consistently connects much higher (when I need a modem connection) than the internal POS. >Also, I noticed both Dan and John are in >the San Francisco Bay Area. I'm in SF and could use some pointers of >where I can get the 770Z locally or even mail-order with a good return >policy in case it isn't what I wanted. Thanks everyone! It is hard to find a vendor that will take back a unit w/o a restocking fee if they take them back at all. :( ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 08:54:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA20621 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02955; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 08:52:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02548; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fandango.wizardry.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02531; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fandango.wizardry.com (198.140.159.234) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 08:52:04 -0400 Received: (from belew@localhost) by fandango.wizardry.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA31723; Mon, 10 May 1999 05:52:02 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 05:52:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199905101252.FAA31723@fandango.wizardry.com> From: John Belew To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-reply-to: Subject: Re: NT BDC on a notebook List-Unsubscribe: "Steven N. Fettig" writes: > I am only writing opinion when I say this, but you might not have > much luck with loading NT Server (SP 4, etc.) on a ThinkPad. > -----Original Message----- > From: Eliezer Birinbom [mailto:eliezerb@bashan.co.il] > Subject: NT BDC on a notebook > When installing NT server on a notebook, how is it possible to > install it as a BDC, when the network adapter is installed only > later in the process ? I've installed NT Server as a PDC on a Thnkpad 600E. It was easy. But, I couldn't install as a BDC, because the PCMCIA network card that I'd chosen was "unsupported" by Win-NT (meaning, a PCMCIA driver for it wasn't on the installation CD-ROM), and the network card MUST come up operting during the initial install in order to exchange vital security info with the existing PDC. An article in Microsft's TechNet database confirmed this limitation, and suggested a way around the missing-driver problem: all I had to do was create my own installation disk! (which they said could be on a 2nd partition of the hard disk into which I was installing). So, planning on installing as a stand-alone PDC. terminology for those unfamiliar: PDC = primary domain controller BDC = backup domain controller -- < John Belew > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 08:56:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA20632 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03278; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 08:53:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02745; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02605; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 08:52:27 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pC19F08C9.dip.t-online.de [193.159.8.201]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id J2GYWFLY; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:44:46 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Subject: RE: TP 770X DVD, Memory, Modem Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:52:08 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, The TP comes with the software already installed (either SoftDVD or DVDExpress) - the only catch is that you can only use it with the Region X coding that came with the computer. (There is, however, a program available on the net that allows you to "turn off" the Region blocks and watch whatever Regional Coded movie you want. http://www.codefreedvd.com/dvd_dvdrom.htm) The VCD issue is something I don't know about. As for modem standards, I agree with what you said, although a lot of the connect rates that you see on your RAS/Dial-Up window aren't the real flow-through rates that you would think you are getting. I prefer to use the integrated modem because it doesn't take up a PCMCIA slot which I use for a number of different purposes. That and the difference between a 33.6 and 44.6 connection in Germany - where I am temporarily living - is a mute point (I have not seen a difference personally, especially when I tried it with a Xircom GSM 56K PC Card Modem that I have). I have never been able to try the 56K rates out in the States because I live in the country where I am limited to a 26K (tops) connection anyway. If you are going to go with a PC Card modem, however, I would always suggest sticking with USR's Megahertz - they seem to always get the best reviews, although I like Xircom, too. Steve ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) ________________________________________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 7:09 AM To: Steven N. Fettig Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP 770X DVD, Memory, Modem On Mon, 10 May 1999, Steven N. Fettig wrote: Hi Steven, I wonder with the hardware decoder option, what software will be needed to play DVD's and if it will do VCD's in hardware as well. As for the memory, I forgot where I red about it showing the machine only comes with 2 slots and one occupies it, it was one of the links to a online store from IBM Thinkpad page I think. About the modem, I thought the modem would be either X2 based or K56Flex based but not both and I know it's v90. It just seems like the 3Com/USR/MegaHertz modems have better connectivity than the K56Flex based Xircom based modems according to a recent PC Magazine test. I always get between 45.3k-49k on my 3Com 10/100 LAN + 56k X2/v90 16 bit Combo card. Now, I wished they had the Cardbus version back then since the 16 bit PCMCIA bus can't really do 100Mbps. Thanks for your input. P.S. Please let me know all the tips and other stuff in regards to DVD. Also, just out of curiousity, has anyone out there compared the Dell Inspiron 7000 and the Toshiba Tecra 8000 to the 770Z? I was wondering how they compare performancewise for both video and system performance for the 366Mhz PIII version. While I understand touchpad's are adjustable, it seems that the TrackPoint is easier to move around than even a real mouse unless some touchpad's have really improved over the past few years. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Vincent, > I have a 770ED and did some spec. comparisons to the 770X and my > machine and think that what I am about to say goes for the 770X also: > - I would suggest against using DVD without a hardware decoder. I tried to > use the software package XingDVD Player which does not make use of the > hardware decoder on my 770ED and was completely disappointed by its > performance. If - and I would imagine this goes for other machines > attempting to only use software decoding - you try to bypass the hardware > decoder and rely solely on the speed of your machine, the picture stutters. > I.E. it will show a few frames of the movie (3-4 sec) and stop while the > audio continues and then start up again. Not worth watching a movie at > all... (I contacted Xing about this problem, but they told me to do what I > had already done and were no help at all.) > - The memory that the TP comes installed with does not take up any of the > open slots - unless that amount of memory was not standard on that machine. > For example, my 770 came with 64 MB RAM and both slots were empty. If the > 770X comes originally with 128 MB - which it looks like it does - the two > slots should be free for more memory. > - I have drivers for the V.90 comm. for both 56Flex and X2 for my TP and got > them from IBM's site. (I haven't used the Flex version for quite some time, > however, so I don't know if it would work with my current settings. I had, > however, the same results with both drivers - a so-called connect rate of > 56K but really had averages of about 44K - on really good phone lines.) > > Steve > > p.s. If you have more questions about DVD, please write to me directly. I > have fooled around with different settings over the past few months and have > figured some other things out (especially with regards to playing DVDs from > other than Region 1). > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator > Hillsdale College > Hillsdale, MI > > Email: > snfettig@hillsdale.edu snfettig@pensys.com > > Tel: > (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 > (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 > 9667) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 12:42 AM > To: Dan Galender > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; John Olyarchuk > Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > > On Sun, 9 May 1999, Dan Galender wrote: > > I too am considering the 770Z and would like some comments from > you guys regarding the screen size and the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter. I > noticed that the 8 meg Video version comes with the 13.7" screen as > opposed to the 14.1" screen. I know the 13.7" does a higher resolution > but is there a reason why IBM made the screen smaller or are the two > different types of screens? Also, for the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter, is > that really needed for smooth full screen playback of DVD and MPEG-1 and > does the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter help much? Also, I see that the 770Z > can support up to 320 megs of ram but doesn't the unit only have 2 memory > slots with one already taken by the system when it's shipped, so wouldn't > that make it only 256 megs total? Last question, I noticed that the 770Z > comes with a build in modem, is this based on X2 w/v90 or is it a K56Flex > w/90 modem since it seems like all the X2 based modems w/v90 seems to > perform better for PCMCIA cards. Also, I noticed both Dan and John are in > the San Francisco Bay Area. I'm in SF and could use some pointers of > where I can get the 770Z locally or even mail-order with a good return > policy in case it isn't what I wanted. Thanks everyone! > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > John- > > > > I've got a 770Z and evaluated both the Mobility and the Selectabase 770. > > Based (no pun intended) on esthetics, I prefered the Mobility unit (as I > > didn't care about the keylock feature), but ended up going with IBM > because > > the Mobility solution does *not* support either warm or hot docking or > > undocking (as the IBM does). I didn't want to have to power the 770 off > > every time I docked or undocked. > > > > Hope this experience is useful for you. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > -Dan Galender > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Dan Galender Email: dan@galender.com > > Galender & Associates, Inc. Phone: 510/728-4700 > > http://www.galender.com Fax: 510/728-4701 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Olyarchuk [mailto:jgo@genome.stanford.edu] > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 5:38 PM > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I am about to order a 770Z and, as a docking/network solution, am trying > > to decide between a Selectabase 770 (IBM #83H6735)/PC Card Enabler with > > Etherjet (IBM #05K4820) and a Mobility Dock with Ethernet for TP770 > > (Mobility Electronics #IB0751103-10). > > > > There is the obvious difference in price (+~150) and the option of adding > > PCMCIA cards to the base in the IBM solution. > > > > I am concerned about reliability and integration issues with the third > > party (Mobility) solution, as well as anything else I may have overlooked. > > > > Any experience/opinions/insights will be *greatly* appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > > ____________________________________________ > > John G. Olyarchuk, MD > > Postdoctoral Fellow, Genome Bioinformatics > > Biochemistry Department > > Beckman Center B400, MC5307 > > Stanford University School of Medicine > > Palo Alto, California 94305-5307 USA > > lab: 650-498-5998 > > fax: 650-723-6783 > > page: 650-317-7701 > > email: jgo@genome.stanford.edu > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 09:13:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA20799 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05136; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 09:11:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04958; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04945; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (195.70.69.190 -> bisgw.blackwell.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 09:11:51 -0400 Received: from trss by fnord.blackwell.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 10gpqV-0005bm-00; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:11:47 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NT4.0 Workstation on a 365XD References: <001001be9ae4$17964e60$1801a8c0@compuserve.com> From: Robin Stephenson X-Attribution: Robin X-PGP-keyID: 0xA38351BD X-Copyright: Copyright =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A9?= 1999 Robin Stephenson -- all rights reserved. Permission to reproduce attributed copies and extracts granted. X-rfc1876-address: 51 45.2 N 1 16.2 W 58m 0.5m 500m 2m Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 10 May 1999 14:11:47 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Eric D. Gottlieb"'s message of "Mon, 10 May 1999 08:53:25 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: "Robin Stephenson,,01865 792792 x3233,01865 782493" List-Unsubscribe: >>>>> On Mon, 10 May 1999 08:53:25 -0400 >>>>> "Eric" == Eric D Gottlieb wrote: Eric> I am considering installing NT 4.0 on my 365XD (P-100, 40MB Eric> RAM, 810HD). Eric> [...] I am currently running Windows 98, and that is such a Eric> memory hog that some things run very slow. Does anyone know how Eric> NT would run compared to this? NT requires more RAM than Windows 98. I would expect performance to suffer as a result of this factor (suffer is `putting it politely' according to an NT-conversant cow-orker): you'll be spending a lot more time swapping to disk. How about trying and seeing if removing IE5 improves things? Eric> Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions anyone can offer! What do you want the machine for? I can tell you that Linux would fly on that machine.... -- Robin Stephenson Better Cleaning Action From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 09:22:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA20895 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05999; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 09:21:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05837; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05824; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 09:21:07 -0400 Received: from richard (209-122-225-44.s44.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.225.44]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id JAA06570; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990510082540.0094cf00@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:44:26 -0400 To: Mark Bell From: richard Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990510080550.01258cf8@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:05 AM 5/10/99 -0400, you wrote: >64megs are soldered onboard with two slots potentially empty. The 770z comes >with 128megs initially (64megs onboard, and one slot has a 64meg IBM upgrade). >To get the full 320megs, you need to remove the 64meg upgrade and install >two 128meg SO-DIMMS (128+128+64) Do you think that a 570 with 333 pII and win98 will run noticeably faster if I add another 64mb (or more) to the existing 64mb? Also, IBM sells the same 64mb module for the 600, 570 and a few other models. Some vendors charge different prices for different models (not IBM brand memory). Does this make any sense? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 09:36:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA21085 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07199; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 09:34:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07039; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.frontiernet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07014; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.frontiernet.net (209.130.129.196 -> node21.frontiernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 09:34:39 -0400 Received: from ericportable (209-130-137-204.nas-2.ROC.frontiernet.net [209.130.137.204]) by mail.frontiernet.net (8.8.8a/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA414766; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:34:34 -0400 From: "Eric D. Gottlieb" To: "Robin Stephenson" Cc: Subject: RE: NT4.0 Workstation on a 365XD Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:34:31 -0400 Message-ID: <001601be9ae9$d55dbbe0$1801a8c0@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > >>>>> On Mon, 10 May 1999 08:53:25 -0400 > >>>>> "Eric" == Eric D Gottlieb wrote: > > Eric> I am considering installing NT 4.0 on my 365XD (P-100, 40MB > Eric> RAM, 810HD). > > Eric> [...] I am currently running Windows 98, and that is such a > Eric> memory hog that some things run very slow. Does anyone know how > Eric> NT would run compared to this? > > NT requires more RAM than Windows 98. I would expect performance to > suffer as a result of this factor (suffer is `putting it politely' > according to an NT-conversant cow-orker): you'll be spending a lot > more time swapping to disk. How about trying > and seeing if removing IE5 improves things? > Thanks for the website... I'll have to check it out and see if they have any suggestions that might help. > What do you want the machine for? I can tell you that Linux would fly > on that machine.... > Unfortunately, I need a Windows derivative on my laptop since I use it for firmware development and must stay compliant with the same tools that everyone else in my project group is using. Thanks again for the suggestions... Eric From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 09:46:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA21238 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08072; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 09:45:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07899; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07885; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (192.134.240.50 -> uhbhic.uhb.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 09:44:56 -0400 Received: from uhb.fr (pb2261.rec.uhb.fr [172.16.162.3]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id PAA03077 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:44:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3736E32A.C6497105@uhb.fr> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:46:18 +0200 From: Sylvestre Meininger Organization: Université Rennes 2 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [fr] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: DVD Player for 770ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone. A simple truth : SoftDVD sucks BUT, I can't find any other player which makes use of the 770ED's hardware Mpeg-2 Decoder. (they all give a pathetically jerky picture) I know IBM replaced SoftDVD with another player on the 770X and 770Z. Anyone knows where I could find this new player or any other which uses the TP's hardware ? Thanks ! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 09:49:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA21268 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08429; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 09:46:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08134; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uldns1.unil.ch (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07704; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uldns1.unil.ch (130.223.8.20 -> uldns1.unil.ch) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 09:42:13 -0400 Received: from pcibcm130c.unil.ch ([130.223.201.97] helo=ibcmphys) by uldns1.unil.ch with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 10gqJu-0005EL-00; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:42:10 +0200 From: "Etienne Pralong" To: Subject: TP 600 USB driver for NT Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:35:29 +0200 Message-ID: <000001be9ae9$f838ebd0$61c9df82@unil.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id JAA08429 Hello, Does anyone knows if some USB drivers for NT are available for the thinkp= ad 600 ? Thanks Etienne Pralong T=E9l: 021 692 5268 (Bureau) IBCM T=E9l: 021 692 5100 (Secr=E9tariat) Rue du Bugnon 9 Fax: 021 692 5105 CH-100 Lausanne Email: epralong@pop-server.unil.ch Natel : 079 280 1151 (Portable) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 10:02:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA21429 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10065; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 10:01:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09908; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09888; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 10:01:14 -0400 Received: by mail.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:03:32 -0500 Message-ID: <7553C6C478C1D011999300A024D2D2957E3BA4@mail.ubh.com> From: Greg Langham To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "'Vincent Poy'" Subject: FW: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:03:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I have been using a 9549-8AU (770Z, DVD, 13.7" 1280x1024 LCD) for about a month now. I upgraded from a 770ED with the 14.1" 1024x768 screen. Here are my observations: 1. The screen is absolutely magnificent! Don't let the 13.7" size scare you off. Keep in mind that you have about double the number of pixels with this panel compared to a typical 1024x768 screen. With the extra pixels, you really do start to loose most of the "jaggy's". If you are worried about everything being too small, run with large fonts. We also have a 770X in the office with the 13.7" screen - neither screen has a bad pixel - typical IBM quality. In addition, the colors seem to be somewhat better than the 14.1" screen. I will say that it took me a couple of days to get used to the increased resolution - but now I won't go back. 2. The 14 GB hard drive seems to be a little faster than the 8 GB drive from my 770ED. 3. This model of the 'Z comes with W98. I left it on the machine and installed NT 4.0 WS for my day-to-day work. I boot to 98 when I want to watch a DVD. 4. Modem - this is probably the weakest part of the machine. We have 4 770's in the office and we all use the internal modem; however, we get better connect rates using no-name brand PCI Winmodems overall than with the built-in modem. But we're all living with them. 5. I bought the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter. The Z doesn't come with one standard (unlike the 770ED). I bought it so I can watch DVD's on TV. I have also played with the video capture portions of the card, and it works as advertised. Before I bought the 770Z, I ordered and received a Dell Inspiron 7000 with the 15" 1024x768 screen. After comparing it with the 13.7" IBM screen, the IBM screen won - hands down. We returned the Dell. The only thing we liked about the Dell was the combo FD/DVD unit. Otherwise, we didn't like the screen as well or the touchpad. Hope this helps. Greg Langham mailto: greg@psnet.net -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 11:42 PM To: Dan Galender Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; John Olyarchuk Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z On Sun, 9 May 1999, Dan Galender wrote: I too am considering the 770Z and would like some comments from you guys regarding the screen size and the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter. I noticed that the 8 meg Video version comes with the 13.7" screen as opposed to the 14.1" screen. I know the 13.7" does a higher resolution but is there a reason why IBM made the screen smaller or are the two different types of screens? Also, for the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter, is that really needed for smooth full screen playback of DVD and MPEG-1 and does the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter help much? Also, I see that the 770Z can support up to 320 megs of ram but doesn't the unit only have 2 memory slots with one already taken by the system when it's shipped, so wouldn't that make it only 256 megs total? Last question, I noticed that the 770Z comes with a build in modem, is this based on X2 w/v90 or is it a K56Flex w/90 modem since it seems like all the X2 based modems w/v90 seems to perform better for PCMCIA cards. Also, I noticed both Dan and John are in the San Francisco Bay Area. I'm in SF and could use some pointers of where I can get the 770Z locally or even mail-order with a good return policy in case it isn't what I wanted. Thanks everyone! Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > John- > > I've got a 770Z and evaluated both the Mobility and the Selectabase 770. > Based (no pun intended) on esthetics, I prefered the Mobility unit (as I > didn't care about the keylock feature), but ended up going with IBM because > the Mobility solution does *not* support either warm or hot docking or > undocking (as the IBM does). I didn't want to have to power the 770 off > every time I docked or undocked. > > Hope this experience is useful for you. > > > > Best regards, > > -Dan Galender > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Dan Galender Email: dan@galender.com > Galender & Associates, Inc. Phone: 510/728-4700 > http://www.galender.com Fax: 510/728-4701 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Olyarchuk [mailto:jgo@genome.stanford.edu] > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 5:38 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > > > Hi, > > I am about to order a 770Z and, as a docking/network solution, am trying > to decide between a Selectabase 770 (IBM #83H6735)/PC Card Enabler with > Etherjet (IBM #05K4820) and a Mobility Dock with Ethernet for TP770 > (Mobility Electronics #IB0751103-10). > > There is the obvious difference in price (+~150) and the option of adding > PCMCIA cards to the base in the IBM solution. > > I am concerned about reliability and integration issues with the third > party (Mobility) solution, as well as anything else I may have overlooked. > > Any experience/opinions/insights will be *greatly* appreciated. > > Thanks, > > John > > ____________________________________________ > John G. Olyarchuk, MD > Postdoctoral Fellow, Genome Bioinformatics > Biochemistry Department > Beckman Center B400, MC5307 > Stanford University School of Medicine > Palo Alto, California 94305-5307 USA > lab: 650-498-5998 > fax: 650-723-6783 > page: 650-317-7701 > email: jgo@genome.stanford.edu > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 10:18:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA21632 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11389; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 10:17:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11270; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11247; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (200.0.213.47) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 10:17:22 -0400 Received: from pcleandro ([200.0.213.31]) by dialup.com.ar (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA11000; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:15:33 -0300 From: "Leandro Rzezak" To: "Sylvestre Meininger" , Subject: RE: DVD Player for 770ED Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:19:46 -0300 Message-ID: <000001be9af0$27f37dd0$1fd500c8@pcleandro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <3736E32A.C6497105@uhb.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I agree. SoftDVD sucks, but I've tested a lot of free or shareware players, and noone else gives the same performance. I have to try DVDExpress, there are drivers for DVDExpress for the 770ed in the IBM support website. If anybody knows anything better that these players, please raise your voice! Leandro. -----Original Message----- From: Sylvestre Meininger [mailto:Sylvestre.meininger@Uhb.Fr] Sent: lunes 10 de mayo de 1999 10:46 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: DVD Player for 770ED Hi everyone. A simple truth : SoftDVD sucks BUT, I can't find any other player which makes use of the 770ED's hardware Mpeg-2 Decoder. (they all give a pathetically jerky picture) I know IBM replaced SoftDVD with another player on the 770X and 770Z. Anyone knows where I could find this new player or any other which uses the TP's hardware ? Thanks ! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 10:29:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA21794 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03355; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 08:54:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03000; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.frontiernet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02895; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.frontiernet.net (209.130.129.196 -> node21.frontiernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 08:53:32 -0400 Received: from ericportable (209-130-137-204.nas-2.ROC.frontiernet.net [209.130.137.204]) by mail.frontiernet.net (8.8.8a/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA66106 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:53:27 -0400 From: "Eric D. Gottlieb" To: Subject: NT4.0 Workstation on a 365XD Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:53:25 -0400 Message-ID: <001001be9ae4$17964e60$1801a8c0@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I am considering installing NT 4.0 on my 365XD (P-100, 40MB RAM, 810HD). IBM's website has all of the special drivers and even step-by-step instructions for the intstallation on my particular machine, so I know that it can be done, but was kind of curious about the performance i can expect. Has anyone run NT on a 365XD or a machine with similar specs? I am currently running Windows 98, and that is such a memory hog that some things run very slow. Does anyone know how NT would run compared to this? Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions anyone can offer! Eric From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 10:49:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA21988 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13481; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 10:47:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13310; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13292; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (207.66.82.36 -> mailer.cia-g.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 10:47:34 -0400 Received: from raybay (gup-024-dpm1.cia-g.com [207.66.82.88]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA11729; Mon, 10 May 1999 08:45:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <006201be9af3$10321280$585242cf@raybay> From: "Ray Bay" To: "Mark Bell" , "richard" Cc: References: <4.1.19990510082540.0094cf00@pop.rcn.com> Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:40:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Sense, NO. But important. Yes. You need IBM approved memory to get service when you need it. And to protect your warrantee. I have purchased extra memory for 242 ThinkPad's for the large organization I just retired from, and we almost never had bad memory. So we bought it cheaply. Very cheaply compared to IBM approved prices. But then we didn't have many warrantee problems either. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 10:55:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA22058 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14345; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 10:53:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14027; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13992; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:52:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 10:52:58 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a180.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.180]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA21878 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905101452.KAA21878@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a180.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.180] 209.198.80.180 Mon, 10 May 1999 10:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:43:29 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990510080550.01258cf8@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >>Last question, I noticed that the 770Z >>comes with a build in modem, is this based on X2 w/v90 or is it a K56Flex >>w/90 modem since it seems like all the X2 based modems w/v90 seems to >>perform better for PCMCIA cards. >Modem is X2/V90, but for a lot of users, the performance is horrendous. I >went with a USR/Megahertz X2/V90 Xjack modem and it consistently connects >much higher (when I need a modem connection) than the internal POS. A lot of people say this, but I think this depends upon the local telephone system. For email I get a connection faster and a faster connection with the ACP modem in my TP600E, then I did/do with the USR 1560. Web downloads should be faster with the USR, and sometimes they are, but just as often the speed increase is marginal. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 11:02:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA22157 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15383; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 11:00:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15131; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15113; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 10:59:51 -0400 Received: from richard (209-122-225-44.s44.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.225.44]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA08910; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990510105336.00950100@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:59:04 -0400 To: "Ray Bay" From: richard Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <006201be9af3$10321280$585242cf@raybay> References: <4.1.19990510082540.0094cf00@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I guess I was unclear What I thought didn't make sense was that the vendor (coastmemory in this case) is selling a 64mb module for the 570 for one price and a 64mb module for the 600/770 for another price, even though IBM sells the same memory modules for all machines (same part number for 64mb for 570/600/770). I agree that cheap memory is no worse that name brand. At 08:40 AM 5/10/99 -0600, you wrote: >Sense, NO. But important. Yes. You need IBM approved memory to get service >when you need it. And to protect your warrantee. > >I have purchased extra memory for 242 ThinkPad's for the large organization >I just retired from, and we almost never had bad memory. So we bought it >cheaply. Very cheaply compared to IBM approved prices. But then we didn't >have many warrantee problems either. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 11:08:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA22256 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16050; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 11:06:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15860; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15839; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (206.146.7.2 -> rattler.gtfc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 11:06:44 -0400 Received: from rattler.gtfc.com (root@localhost) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04675; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:06:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from csc.com ([10.1.11.49]) by rattler.gtfc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04658; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:06:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3736F5F0.E3F58C30@csc.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:06:24 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steven N. Fettig" CC: Eliezer Birinbom , "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: Re: NT BDC on a notebook References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've had success installing NT4 Server on a 770. I didn't use PDC or BDC, but rather 'standalone server'. I didn't encounter any difficulties until I attempted to install the NT Option Pack to get IIS4. It easily accepted both my Olicom GoCard token ring card and the Etherlink III ethernet card (used one at a time, of course). The installation went much as did my previous installs of NT4 workstation. I can't answer the original question of how to set up a BDC, but I'm vouching for the fact that NT server works on a ThinkPad. HTH, Rob ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Minnesota Webmaster CSC Consulting Group, Minneapolis, MN rbell1@nospam@csc.com ------------------------------------------------------------- "Steven N. Fettig" wrote: > > Eliezer, > I am only writing opinion when I say this, but you might not have much > luck with loading NT Server (SP 4, etc.) on a ThinkPad. I have a 770ED and > tried to do it the way you are talking about - by installing the NIC > afterwards - and after 2 weeks gave up. I have Workstation (4.0, SP 4, etc) > running great, but had no luck with Server (it didn't matter if it was set > up as a PDC or BDC). However, when I talked to some IBM techs. about some > other predicaments I was in, they said that it can be done (the word > "somewhat" always worked its way into the sentence), but they have only seen > it semi-succeed while being installed while attached to a network (of > course, with NIC installed). > I am an optimist and think it can be done - in the way just you > mentioned - but ran out of time trying. (By the way, I also had a really > difficult time getting Workstation installed when not connected to a > network.) Please let me know - or anyone else for that matter - if you have > luck with this. (For purposes of a temporary Domain Controller on our > network, this would be very, very, very ideal.) > > Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eliezer Birinbom [mailto:eliezerb@bashan.co.il] > Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 6:16 AM > To: 'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU' > Subject: NT BDC on a notebook > > Hi, > > When installing NT server on a notebook, how is it possible to install it as > a BDC, when the network adapter is installed only later in the process ? > > I am using a ThinkPad 770x, and intend to install NT Server 4 Hebrew > Enabled. > > Thanks, > Eliezer Birinbom From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 11:22:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA22409 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17379; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 11:19:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17156; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17143; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 11:19:39 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl6-8.gate.net [199.227.131.71]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA321034; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:20:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3736F8FD.49D67774@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:19:25 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sylvestre Meininger CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DVD Player for 770ED References: <3736E32A.C6497105@uhb.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sylvestre... the X and Z machines use a different hardware board and, i think, DVD-CD.. so the soft DVD might not work with the E series hardware.. BUT, the softDVD is, i think, on the apps CD provided with the Z series (and maybe this 570 machine.. no time to check right now, but i'll look later.. Sylvestre Meininger wrote: > Hi everyone. > > A simple truth : SoftDVD sucks > > BUT, I can't find any other player which makes use of the 770ED's > hardware Mpeg-2 Decoder. (they all give a pathetically jerky picture) > > I know IBM replaced SoftDVD with another player on the 770X and 770Z. > > Anyone knows where I could find this new player or any other which uses > the TP's hardware ? > > Thanks ! -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 12:39:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA23476 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22566; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 12:37:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22377; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22361; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (165.87.194.239 -> out4.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 12:37:46 -0400 Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-100-112-37.ny.us.ibm.net [32.100.112.37]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA141292 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:37:38 GMT Message-ID: <37370B4C.939577EF@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:37:32 -0400 From: Friedrich Huebler Reply-To: huebler@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP380/All] External microphone Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: How can I get an external microphone to work with the TP380D? I tried numerous settings in the volume control but cannot record any sound through the microphone jack. I tested the microphone on another computer and it works. I can also record sound with the internal microphone on the ThinkPad but when I plug in the external microphone, neither the internal nor the external microphone work. IBM's documentation in this area is not very useful. Any advice, also >from owners of other TP models, would be welcome. Thank you for your help. Friedrich Huebler From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 12:44:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA23540 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22255; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 12:35:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22127; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22113; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (131.130.1.26 -> mailbox.univie.ac.at) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 12:35:49 -0400 Received: from ai.univie.ac.at (uvo1-69.univie.ac.at [131.130.231.69]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA43972; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:35:41 +0200 Message-ID: <37370ADB.1BEBA758@ai.univie.ac.at> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:35:39 +0200 From: Johannes Fuernkranz X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de-AT,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 600: Linux & external monitor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: After a lot of trouble I finally managed to get my TP600 ready XFree. There ist still one problem remaining though: Whenever I start up 'startx' with an external monitor attached, the screen blanks out and the LCD screen turns itself on (but displays black). I have to press Fn+F7 three times to get a display on the external monitors. Does anybody have an idea? Also, after cycling three times the monitor displays that it is in 1024x768 60 Hz mode, even if I xvidtune to a modline for 70 Hz. There is, however, a noticable difference between starting with the 60 Hz configuration which is meant to be for the LCD and the 70 Hz with I want to use for the external monitor (can I clock the LCD of the TP 600 with 70 Hz?) I would be grateful to receive a XF86Config file from somebody who uses an external monitor on a regular basis. Do I need 2 monitor sections for that? Currently I am using 2 different modlines for the LCD and the external monitor and I'm switching with 'xvidtune'. Thanks a million, Juffi -- Johannes Fuernkranz Austrian Research Inst. f. Artificial Intelligence Tel:+43-1-5336112-19 Schottengasse 3, A-1010 Wien Fax:+43-1-5336112-77 E-mail: juffi@ai.univie.ac.at WWW: http://www.ai.univie.ac.at/~juffi --------------- "Life is too short for Chess." -- Byron ---------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 13:05:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA23984 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24846; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 13:03:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24669; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24632; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.42 -> mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 13:03:05 -0400 Received: from bp ([12.77.218.103]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990510170302.EVRW8188@bp>; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:03:02 +0000 Message-ID: <373711BC.4C49@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:05:00 -0400 From: BirgerPetterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: huebler@ibm.net CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP380/All] External microphone References: <37370B4C.939577EF@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Friedrich Huebler wrote: > > How can I get an external microphone to work with the TP380D? You need to provide a bias voltage to your microphone. There are two methods of doing this. Suggest you visit . http://www.speechcontrol.com Birger Dictated using ViaVoice98 on 770 series ThinkPads with a UHF Sennheiser wireless microphone. Where the elite meet. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 13:07:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA24019 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25305; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 13:05:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25084; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24976; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (192.232.119.69 -> kodakr.kodak.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 13:04:59 -0400 Received: from cyber.kodak.com (toolbox.cyber.kodak.com [150.221.56.29]) by kodakr.kodak.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA15666 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toolchest.cyber by cyber.kodak.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA11121; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:04:52 -0400 for Received: from CALIPER (caliper [150.221.56.24]) by toolchest.cyber (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28585 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:02:58 -0400 Message-Id: <3304-Mon10May1999130258-0400-lms@kodak.com> X-Mailer: emacs 20.3.1 (via feedmail 8 I) From: "Larry Strollo" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in tray ? List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know how to get rid of it ? There's no option for it in the trackpoint properties control panel, and I searched the registry for some sort of key that defines its display in the tray, but found nothing. It's there with both Win95 and WinNT. -- LMS --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Larry Strollo Eastman Kodak Co. lms@kodak.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 13:29:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA24277 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27343; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 13:22:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27094; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27079; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (206.156.118.18 -> ns1.brightware.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 13:22:25 -0400 Received: from zorro (zorro.brightware.com [206.156.118.171]) by ns1.brightware.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA29834; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001501be9b09$026e3320$0201a8c0@brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Larry Strollo" , References: <3304-Mon10May1999130258-0400-lms@kodak.com> Subject: Re: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in tray ? Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:17:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Simply avoid installing the TrackPoint drivers. I use an external PS/2 mouse and notice that the TrackPoint still obeys the little red pimple and the red click buttons even without the special drivers. I hardly ever use them though. This way you lose all the "special" TrackPoint functionality but that is mostly fluff anyway. While we are on confessions, I also admit to ignoring the "Hibernation" functionality as well. It only works without a network connection and guess what? I always have a network connection. Call me what you will but I simply use my TP600 as a glorified Zip drive that I move from work to home. It keeps all my own private stuff and lets me use both private and "work" email. I use the computer that my employer provides for programming. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Strollo To: Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 10:02 AM Subject: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in tray ? > > > Does anyone know how to get rid of it ? There's no option for it in the > trackpoint properties control panel, and I searched the registry for some > sort of key that defines its display in the tray, but found nothing. It's > there with both Win95 and WinNT. > > > -- > > LMS > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Larry Strollo Eastman Kodak Co. lms@kodak.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 14:15:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24858 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02513; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 14:13:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02297; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0c.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02270; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0c.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.32 -> www0c.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 14:13:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 23212 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 1999 17:44:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990510174428.23211.qmail@www0c.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.32 by www0c via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Mon May 10 17:44:28 GMT 1999 Date: 10 May 99 12:44:28 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Larry Strollo , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in tray ? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Larry, Anything that appears in the system tray is a running application that is= started from somewhere. The direct, behind-the-scenes way to keep them f= rom starting is to remove the application=92s command from either the Start M= enu=92s Programs=85StartUp folder, or from the =91Run=92 or =91RunServices=92 key= s in the registry. These are the most common spots that you will find auto-start commands in Win NT/95/98. Occasionally some old Win3.1 programs will add= a line to the WIN.INI file called 'Load=3D' or 'Run=3D' that does the same = thing. = On my TP770 running NT4, I have an entry in the registry at MyComputer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\R= un titled =91TrackPointSrv=92 that loads a program called =91daemon.exe=92. = Deleting that key should prevent the trackpoint service from loading at startup. = The =91right=92 way to remove it may be to use Add/Remove Programs and un= install IBM TrackPoint services. = HTH, Rob rbell1@nospam@netscape.net "Larry Strollo" wrote: > = > = > Does anyone know how to get rid of it ? There's no option for it in th= e > trackpoint properties control panel, and I searched the registry for so= me > sort of key that defines its display in the tray, but found nothing. It= 's > there with both Win95 and WinNT. > = ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 14:39:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA25169 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04743; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 14:38:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04633; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04620; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:38:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.67 -> imo23.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 14:38:22 -0400 Received: from JES770@aol.com (7815) by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id bLJBa15866; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ffc9391.2468801c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:31:56 EDT Subject: Re: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in tray ? To: lms@kodak.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 List-Unsubscribe: Larry Strollo" wrote: > Does anyone know how to get rid of it ? Crl-Alt-Del Click on "Daemon" Click "End Task" button This will remove the icon in systray; however the trackpoint still functions. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 14:47:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA25267 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05154; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 14:40:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04963; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1.tm.net.my (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04912; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1.tm.net.my (202.188.95.1 -> pop.tm.net.my) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 14:40:09 -0400 Received: from tm.net.my ([202.188.12.70]) by pop1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19990510183951.EHDN12436@tm.net.my>; Tue, 11 May 1999 02:39:51 +0800 Message-ID: <373727E7.AF07C8AE@tm.net.my> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 02:39:35 +0800 From: Zilim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: huebler@ibm.net CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP380/All] External microphone References: <37370B4C.939577EF@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Friedrich, Here's the exact site - http://www.speechcontrol.com/microphones/thinkpad.htm I have a TP770ED and I've purchased 2 units of the APS-100 @ $4.95. I received it (Malaysia) within 1 week from the date I put in my order. It works fine. I went thru' the same ordeal as you did. The worst was I thought that there was something wrong with my TP770ED . Fortunately, as I recall, I got the answer from someone in this forum. Can't really remember who it was but sure like to thank that person. Rgds, Peter Friedrich Huebler wrote: > How can I get an external microphone to work with the TP380D? > > I tried numerous settings in the volume control but cannot record any > sound through the microphone jack. I tested the microphone on another > computer and it works. I can also record sound with the internal > microphone on the ThinkPad but when I plug in the external microphone, > neither the internal nor the external microphone work. > > IBM's documentation in this area is not very useful. Any advice, also > from owners of other TP models, would be welcome. > > Thank you for your help. > > Friedrich Huebler From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 14:49:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA25296 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05583; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 14:42:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05278; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05246; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (128.9.160.161 -> boreas.isi.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 14:41:45 -0400 Received: from ISI.EDU (vanuatu.isi.edu [128.9.64.106]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA19016; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: swa@ISI.EDU Message-ID: <37372860.B5FC6BC8@ISI.EDU> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:41:36 -0700 From: Steven Augart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en,en-GB,it,es,el,de,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David W. Taylor" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Email strategies (was: Re: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in tray ?) References: <3304-Mon10May1999130258-0400-lms@kodak.com> <001501be9b09$026e3320$0201a8c0@brightware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David, How do you keep private and work email separate yet both co-ordinated on one laptop computer? I have been using Netscape Mail with IMAP, which works great for keeping my mail backed up and synchronized, but isn't so good for personal mail, since I don't have an private ISP which supports IMAP. Netscape mail has a couple of limitations which I assume other email programs address: (1) It doesn't support different roles for the same process, so I can't have personal email going out with one From: address and work email going out with another, unless I manually switch over between letters (clumsy). (2) It doesn't let you mix IMAP and POP accounts, nor does it allow you to support more than one POP account. One solution I've thought of is to use Outlook Express for one role (work or personal) and Netscape for the other. Seems pretty gross, though! I have heard that PINE supports multiple roles, but haven't looked into it yet. --Steve Augart > Call me what you will but I simply use my TP600 as a glorified Zip drive > that I move from work to home. It keeps all my own private stuff and lets > me use both private and "work" email. I use the computer that my employer > provides for programming. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 15:08:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25541 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07901; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 15:05:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07574; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07558; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 15:05:38 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pC19F76BB.dip.t-online.de [193.159.118.187]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id J2GYWGKK; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:57:56 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Steven Augart" Cc: Subject: RE: Email strategies - Multiple Accounts Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:05:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <37372860.B5FC6BC8@ISI.EDU> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Steven, In order to keep track of multiple accounts I use Outlook (97/98/2000 - doesn't matter which). I know there are many people who wish to stay away >from Microsoft products - especially Outlook (anyone who has setup Outlook >from scratch knows what a major pain it can be...) - but once I got it up and running (have had every version since 97), I absolutely love it. I have 4 Email accounts (all support IMAP and POP3 - one supports Exchange Server) and use Rules Wizard in order to configure the routing of Email from different accounts to specified folders. You could technically have endless POP3, IMAP, and Exchange Server "accounts." All us "boys" in the office were running Netscape Mail until one of us tried Outlook out and found it worked better for multiple accounts and keeping track of other important info... Alas, I keep all of my mail on my computer and am very careful to constantly back up the *.pst (MS personal folder file) file that is generated from Outlook. I have more information if interested. Hope this helps... Steve P.S. I end up reinstalling Windows (NT/98/95) constantly because I am really using my laptop as a test machine and have learned how to copy the right files so that I no longer have to re-do any of the settings in Outlook when I do a new install. FYI - the re-installs are NOT due to OS or other program problems - just testing blunders... ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) ________________________________________________________________________ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 15:09:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25563 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08097; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 15:06:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07677; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0v.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07626; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0v.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.51 -> www0v.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 15:05:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 734 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 1999 19:05:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19990510190551.733.qmail@www0v.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.51 by www0v via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Mon May 10 19:05:51 GMT 1999 Date: 10 May 99 14:05:51 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Steven Augart , "David W.Taylor" Subject: Re: Email strategies (was: Re: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in tray ?) CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: I believe Outlook Express and Outlook 98 both offer the features that you= are looking for. I don't use IMAP, so I'm not positive if there are specific= limitations there. I have set up Outlook 98 with e-mail accounts from 3 different POP3 providers and was able to retrieve from all of them and ha= ve the messages directed to the appropriate folders. I forget how you choos= e which account is used when sending messages. Netscape is my preferred mail client when using only one mail account. M= aybe it's just because I've used it for so long or because I dislike Microsoft= in general, but I think it works well. HTH, Rob Bell rbell1@nospam@netscape.net Steven Augart wrote: > David, > = > How do you keep private and work email separate yet both co-ordinated > on one laptop computer? I have been using Netscape Mail with IMAP, > which works great for keeping my mail backed up and synchronized, but > isn't so good for personal mail, since I don't have an private ISP > which supports IMAP. > = ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 15:24:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25720 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09654; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 15:20:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09465; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09442; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (207.69.200.82 -> smtp5.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 15:20:37 -0400 Received: from deepsix (user-2ive0ij.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.2.83]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09553 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.0.1.19990508133054.00e47670@highwire.net> X-Sender: greg@highwire.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 13:35:28 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Greg Lara Subject: Re: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in tray ? In-Reply-To: <3304-Mon10May1999130258-0400-lms@kodak.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:02 PM 5/10/99 -0400, Larry Strollo wrote: >Does anyone know how to get rid of it ? There's no option for it in the >trackpoint properties control panel, and I searched the registry for some >sort of key that defines its display in the tray, but found nothing. It's >there with both Win95 and WinNT. Go into this registry key (mess with your registry at your own peril, of course): HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run Remove or change the line: TrackPointSrv [with the value of] "daemon.exe" I haven't personally tried it, but this is the most likely program behind the system tray icon. Good luck, and be careful. Greg L. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 15:24:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25735 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09920; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 15:22:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09783; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09746; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 15:22:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA21918; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:21:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:21:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Steven N. Fettig" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP 770X DVD, Memory, Modem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 10 May 1999, Steven N. Fettig wrote: Hi Steve, So SoftDVD and DVDExpress will make use of the optimized video hardware while XingDVD will do everything in Software? VideoCD are just MPEG-1 v1.0 and v2.0 media. Thanks for the pointer to the program to allow the DVD to be region free. As for the modems issue, I know what the actual rate of connectivity I am getting since I am connecting to my own ISP and the rates are stable at 50k v90 with the 3Com but the speeds are lower with any other brand of modem. This is evident when downloading as well since I'm a Unix type so I always use telnet, rlogin, ssh sessions and can tell how quick a session is. I think the Integrated modem would be good since it probably wouldn't be subject to the heat problems of PCMCIA cards. I wonder if the Intergrated modem is based on the X2 PCMCIA Modem card IBM used to have out or is it based on their newer line of modems/LAN PCMCIA cards which use Xircom guts. USR/3Com/Megahertz makes their own data pump so their modems are good. Xircom is good in networking I heard since that's what the Intel and IBM's CardBus 100BT Fast Ethernet cards use. I have gotten 50k download and 33.6k upstream on my 3Com before. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Vincent, > The TP comes with the software already installed (either SoftDVD or > DVDExpress) - the only catch is that you can only use it with the Region X > coding that came with the computer. (There is, however, a program available > on the net that allows you to "turn off" the Region blocks and watch > whatever Regional Coded movie you want. > http://www.codefreedvd.com/dvd_dvdrom.htm) The VCD issue is something I > don't know about. As for modem standards, I agree with what you said, > although a lot of the connect rates that you see on your RAS/Dial-Up window > aren't the real flow-through rates that you would think you are getting. I > prefer to use the integrated modem because it doesn't take up a PCMCIA slot > which I use for a number of different purposes. That and the difference > between a 33.6 and 44.6 connection in Germany - where I am temporarily > living - is a mute point (I have not seen a difference personally, > especially when I tried it with a Xircom GSM 56K PC Card Modem that I have). > I have never been able to try the 56K rates out in the States because I live > in the country where I am limited to a 26K (tops) connection anyway. If you > are going to go with a PC Card modem, however, I would always suggest > sticking with USR's Megahertz - they seem to always get the best reviews, > although I like Xircom, too. > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 7:09 AM > > On Mon, 10 May 1999, Steven N. Fettig wrote: > > Hi Steven, > > I wonder with the hardware decoder option, what software will be > needed to play DVD's and if it will do VCD's in hardware as well. As for > the memory, I forgot where I red about it showing the machine only comes > with 2 slots and one occupies it, it was one of the links to a online > store from IBM Thinkpad page I think. About the modem, I thought the > modem would be either X2 based or K56Flex based but not both and I know > it's v90. It just seems like the 3Com/USR/MegaHertz modems have better > connectivity than the K56Flex based Xircom based modems according to a > recent PC Magazine test. I always get between 45.3k-49k on my 3Com 10/100 > LAN + 56k X2/v90 16 bit Combo card. Now, I wished they had the Cardbus > version back then since the 16 bit PCMCIA bus can't really do 100Mbps. > Thanks for your input. > > P.S. Please let me know all the tips and other stuff in regards to DVD. > Also, just out of curiousity, has anyone out there compared the Dell > Inspiron 7000 and the Toshiba Tecra 8000 to the 770Z? I was wondering how > they compare performancewise for both video and system performance for the > 366Mhz PIII version. While I understand touchpad's are adjustable, it > seems that the TrackPoint is easier to move around than even a real mouse > unless some touchpad's have really improved over the past few years. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > Vincent, > > I have a 770ED and did some spec. comparisons to the 770X and my > > machine and think that what I am about to say goes for the 770X also: > > - I would suggest against using DVD without a hardware decoder. I tried > to > > use the software package XingDVD Player which does not make use of the > > hardware decoder on my 770ED and was completely disappointed by its > > performance. If - and I would imagine this goes for other machines > > attempting to only use software decoding - you try to bypass the hardware > > decoder and rely solely on the speed of your machine, the picture > stutters. > > I.E. it will show a few frames of the movie (3-4 sec) and stop while the > > audio continues and then start up again. Not worth watching a movie at > > all... (I contacted Xing about this problem, but they told me to do what > I > > had already done and were no help at all.) > > - The memory that the TP comes installed with does not take up any of the > > open slots - unless that amount of memory was not standard on that > machine. > > For example, my 770 came with 64 MB RAM and both slots were empty. If the > > 770X comes originally with 128 MB - which it looks like it does - the two > > slots should be free for more memory. > > - I have drivers for the V.90 comm. for both 56Flex and X2 for my TP and > got > > them from IBM's site. (I haven't used the Flex version for quite some > time, > > however, so I don't know if it would work with my current settings. I > had, > > however, the same results with both drivers - a so-called connect rate of > > 56K but really had averages of about 44K - on really good phone lines.) > > > > Steve > > > > p.s. If you have more questions about DVD, please write to me directly. I > > have fooled around with different settings over the past few months and > have > > figured some other things out (especially with regards to playing DVDs > from > > other than Region 1). > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 12:42 AM > > > > On Sun, 9 May 1999, Dan Galender wrote: > > > > I too am considering the 770Z and would like some comments from > > you guys regarding the screen size and the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter. I > > noticed that the 8 meg Video version comes with the 13.7" screen as > > opposed to the 14.1" screen. I know the 13.7" does a higher resolution > > but is there a reason why IBM made the screen smaller or are the two > > different types of screens? Also, for the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter, is > > that really needed for smooth full screen playback of DVD and MPEG-1 and > > does the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter help much? Also, I see that the 770Z > > can support up to 320 megs of ram but doesn't the unit only have 2 memory > > slots with one already taken by the system when it's shipped, so wouldn't > > that make it only 256 megs total? Last question, I noticed that the 770Z > > comes with a build in modem, is this based on X2 w/v90 or is it a K56Flex > > w/90 modem since it seems like all the X2 based modems w/v90 seems to > > perform better for PCMCIA cards. Also, I noticed both Dan and John are in > > the San Francisco Bay Area. I'm in SF and could use some pointers of > > where I can get the 770Z locally or even mail-order with a good return > > policy in case it isn't what I wanted. Thanks everyone! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 15:30:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25818 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11047; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 15:28:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10690; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0c.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10582; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0c.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.32 -> www0c.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 15:27:40 -0400 Received: (qmail 2791 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 1999 18:59:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19990510185906.2790.qmail@www0c.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.32 by www0c via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Mon May 10 18:59:06 GMT 1999 Date: 10 May 99 13:59:06 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "Steven N.Fettig" , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Email strategies - Multiple Accounts X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Steven, = If you really are re-installing your O/S on a regular basis, check out No= rton Ghost (by Symantec). It's a great utility that allows you to take a snap= shot of any disk partition and then restore back to it upon request. Doesn't = need to be installed on the target PC either. Just boot a floppy once to take= the image and once each time you want to restore. If you do things right and= take a snapshot right after you've got your 'base' system set up, then it's on= ly a 15 minute process to get back to your pristine baseline every time you ne= ed to. Storing data-type files (like documents or source code) on a separat= e partition makes things even easier. This would save tons of time, especi= ally on a laptop that probably needs additional OEM drivers installed after th= e O/S, like ThinkPads do. HTH, Rob Bell rbell1@nospam@netscape.net "Steven N. Fettig" wrote: [snip] > = > P.S. I end up reinstalling Windows (NT/98/95) constantly because I am > really using my laptop as a test machine and have learned how to copy t= he > right files so that I no longer have to re-do any of the settings in Ou= tlook > when I do a new install. FYI - the re-installs are NOT due to OS or ot= her > program problems - just testing blunders... ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 15:40:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25948 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12273; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 15:36:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12069; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12010; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 15:36:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA21976; Mon, 10 May 1999 12:35:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:35:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Greg Langham cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FW: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: <7553C6C478C1D011999300A024D2D2957E3BA4@mail.ubh.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 10 May 1999, Greg Langham wrote: Hello Greg, > I have been using a 9549-8AU (770Z, DVD, 13.7" 1280x1024 LCD) for about a > month now. I upgraded from a 770ED with the 14.1" 1024x768 screen. Here > are my observations: First of all, thanks for sharing your observations. > 1. The screen is absolutely magnificent! Don't let the 13.7" size scare you > off. Keep in mind that you have about double the number of pixels with this > panel compared to a typical 1024x768 screen. With the extra pixels, you > really do start to loose most of the "jaggy's". If you are worried about > everything being too small, run with large fonts. We also have a 770X in > the office with the 13.7" screen - neither screen has a bad pixel - typical > IBM quality. In addition, the colors seem to be somewhat better than the > 14.1" screen. I will say that it took me a couple of days to get used to > the increased resolution - but now I won't go back. I was just wondering since I thought for higher resolutions, a larger screen is needed. But what's 0.4" difference. If the screen is ran at 1024x768, will it still look better than the 14.1" in that resolution? > 2. The 14 GB hard drive seems to be a little faster than the 8 GB drive from > my 770ED. Is the 8GB drive a lot faster than the 2.1GB hard drive in the 380/385 series? > 3. This model of the 'Z comes with W98. I left it on the machine and > installed NT 4.0 WS for my day-to-day work. I boot to 98 when I want to > watch a DVD. That sounds cool. Speaking about DVD's, are you able to watch it in full screen or just in a window? > 4. Modem - this is probably the weakest part of the machine. We have 4 > 770's in the office and we all use the internal modem; however, we get > better connect rates using no-name brand PCI Winmodems overall than with the > built-in modem. But we're all living with them. Wow, what kinds of connect rates do you get with the internal modem? > 5. I bought the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter. The Z doesn't come with one > standard (unlike the 770ED). I bought it so I can watch DVD's on TV. I have > also played with the video capture portions of the card, and it works as > advertised. I was wondering how does the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter and the system in general handle MPEG-1? Does it only support MPEG-2 or does it do backward support? Does the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter offer anything if I just used the screen on the TP for playback? > Before I bought the 770Z, I ordered and received a Dell Inspiron 7000 with > the 15" 1024x768 screen. After comparing it with the 13.7" IBM screen, the > IBM screen won - hands down. We returned the Dell. The only thing we liked > about the Dell was the combo FD/DVD unit. Otherwise, we didn't like the > screen as well or the touchpad. Yep, from a marketing point of view, I would like the Dell except for the touchpad. My friend bought a Inspiron 7000 a year and a half ago but I still haven't seen it yet. He told me the machine was like twice the size of IBM 380/385's and that is already scary. > Hope this helps. Thanks for your input. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 15:42:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25969 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12856; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 15:38:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12640; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12619; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 15:38:52 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pD4B889C7.dip.t-online.de [212.184.137.199]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id J2GYWGNG; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:31:08 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Subject: RE: SoftDVD, DVDExpress, Hardware Decoder Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:38:30 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, Yes, SoftDVD and DVDExpress will use the Hardware Decoder on the TP - that is what they were "programmed" to do. I am honestly not sure why XingDVD runs so poorly, but from what I gather from the things I have read about computer-DVD playback (especially Laptops) and from other people, is that DVD runs poorly without hardware assisted decoding. (Basically a stand-alone DVD-Player is just a glorified Hardware Decoder that switches the signal from the DVD reader to analog RCA (or the like) hook-ups for your TV.) My experience with other software packages has made me believe that this theory is correct. As for the complaints about SoftDVD and DVDExpress, while I can understand that there is better software out there, it does the job well enough so I can kick back and watch a flick on my computer - which is something I never imagined I'd be doing... Oh, and VCD will work - I have talked to a friend who also has the 770ED and he has used VCDs trouble-free. Steve p.s. If anyone gets any other software package to work, it would be wonderful to know about (such as XingDVD)!!! ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) ________________________________________________________________________ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 15:44:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25994 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13610; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 15:42:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13236; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13131; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 15:41:44 -0400 Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA21695; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA26208; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: Bill Morrow Cc: Sylvestre Meininger , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DVD Player for 770ED References: <3736E32A.C6497105@uhb.fr> <3736F8FD.49D67774@icanect.net> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 10 May 1999 15:41:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: Bill Morrow's message of "Mon, 10 May 1999 11:19:25 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow writes: > (and maybe this 570 machine.. The DVD drive available for the 570 (I received the DVD drive, but I'm still waiting for the unit itself, sigh), is the same one used on the 600 (and is in fact labeled as such). It comes with DVD Express. What I'd like to see is a software decoder for NT4. I've heard rumors that two companies (Zoltan is one of them) are working on this, but I have yet to see it materialize. If anyone knows more, I'd love to hear about it also. Peace, dNb From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 16:04:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26221 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15531; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 16:02:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15334; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15321; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp2.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 16:02:35 -0400 Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id NAA06725; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37373BBC.1A101843@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:04:12 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steven N. Fettig" CC: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: VCDs (was Re: SoftDVD, DVDExpress, Hardware Decoder) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > Oh, and VCD will work - I have talked to a friend who also has the 770ED > and he has used VCDs trouble-free. > VCDs are MPEG-1 encoded and thus less demanding to decode. My old 486-100 could decode them, albeit in a small window and in mono. Any 100mhz+ pentium should have no trouble using software decoding even at full screen and stereo sound. The .DAT file is actually like any other .MPG file, just a lot bigger. You don't need XingMPEG - Windows Activemovie can play it. Hardware assistance gives a (slightly) better image in many cases since the decoder can do more fancy stuff. With software you're usually limited to interpolation, which is usually pretty good anyway - beats any Quicktime or AVI anytime. For a firsthand look at MPEG vs AVI vs Quicktime, visit any StarWars fan site and download all 3 versions of the same trailer. The AVI is smooth but poor quality, the Quicktime is jerky and pixellated, and sound is sometimes out of sync. The MPEG is fully resizable throughout, plays smoothly, has perfect pic-sound sync and is _sharp_. Quicktime sucks. AVI sucks. Don't even mention RealVideo. It's fine for streaming, but a postage stamp window is not the way to watch a movie trailer. Of course, this assumes you have a LAN connection - the files are about 20MB each. I'm talking about playing these off your hard drive of course - trying to stream them is sometimes an exercise in frustration when the network bogs down. Benjamin From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 16:11:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26321 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15983; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 16:04:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15635; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15598; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 16:04:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA22125; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:04:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:04:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Steven N. Fettig" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: SoftDVD, DVDExpress, Hardware Decoder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 10 May 1999, Steven N. Fettig wrote: Hello Steven, Does the TP 770Z actually have a Hardware Decoder already if I don't get the DVD Enhanced Adapter option? Also, does it only play DVD's in a window or full screen? From what I know about Xing, it's supposed to be one of the best MPEG decoders that's software based. Atleast it seems to be better than CompCore for XingPeg and SoftPeg. Thanks for letting me know about VCD's. I wonder what happens if someone installs Windows Media Player, will it overwrite the DVD/Mpeg drivers? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Vincent, > Yes, SoftDVD and DVDExpress will use the Hardware Decoder on the TP - > that is what they were "programmed" to do. I am honestly not sure why > XingDVD runs so poorly, but from what I gather from the things I have read > about computer-DVD playback (especially Laptops) and from other people, is > that DVD runs poorly without hardware assisted decoding. (Basically a > stand-alone DVD-Player is just a glorified Hardware Decoder that switches > the signal from the DVD reader to analog RCA (or the like) hook-ups for your > TV.) My experience with other software packages has made me believe that > this theory is correct. As for the complaints about SoftDVD and DVDExpress, > while I can understand that there is better software out there, it does the > job well enough so I can kick back and watch a flick on my computer - which > is something I never imagined I'd be doing... > Oh, and VCD will work - I have talked to a friend who also has the 770ED > and he has used VCDs trouble-free. > > Steve > > p.s. If anyone gets any other software package to work, it would be > wonderful to know about (such as XingDVD)!!! > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator > Hillsdale College > Hillsdale, MI > > Email: > snfettig@hillsdale.edu snfettig@pensys.com > > Tel: > (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 > (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 > 9667) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 16:13:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26337 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16803; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 16:11:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16598; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16556; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 16:11:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA22167; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:11:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:11:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Benjamin Koh cc: "Steven N. Fettig" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: VCDs (was Re: SoftDVD, DVDExpress, Hardware Decoder) In-Reply-To: <37373BBC.1A101843@leland.stanford.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 10 May 1999, Benjamin Koh wrote: > > Oh, and VCD will work - I have talked to a friend who also has the 770ED > > and he has used VCDs trouble-free. > > > VCDs are MPEG-1 encoded and thus less demanding to decode. My old > 486-100 could decode them, albeit in a small window and in mono. Any > 100mhz+ pentium should have no trouble using software decoding even at > full screen and stereo sound. The .DAT file is actually like any other > .MPG file, just a lot bigger. You don't need XingMPEG - Windows > Activemovie can play it. Hmmm, I have a 233MMX Pentium and it doesn't do VideoCD's in Full screen smoothly. I do have 180 megs of memory and I'm using Plextor 8X SCSI CD-ROM with the Matrox Millenium II with 8 megs of memory and my TP385 seems to still perform better. > Hardware assistance gives a (slightly) better image in many cases since > the decoder can do more fancy stuff. With software you're usually > limited to interpolation, which is usually pretty good anyway - beats > any Quicktime or AVI anytime. For a firsthand look at MPEG vs AVI vs > Quicktime, visit any StarWars fan site and download all 3 versions of > the same trailer. The AVI is smooth but poor quality, the Quicktime is > jerky and pixellated, and sound is sometimes out of sync. The MPEG is > fully resizable throughout, plays smoothly, has perfect pic-sound sync > and is _sharp_. Quicktime sucks. AVI sucks. Don't even mention > RealVideo. It's fine for streaming, but a postage stamp window is not > the way to watch a movie trailer. Of course, this assumes you have a LAN > connection - the files are about 20MB each. I'm talking about playing > these off your hard drive of course - trying to stream them is sometimes > an exercise in frustration when the network bogs down. Quicktime on the MAC with the VideoCD/MPEG extension plays VideoCD's way better than any PC I've seen can. Atleast the quality of the video is better. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 16:18:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26411 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17513; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 16:15:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17301; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17256; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (206.156.118.51 -> home.brightware.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 16:15:44 -0400 Received: from zorro (zorro.brightware.com [206.156.118.171]) by ns1.brightware.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA00991; Mon, 10 May 1999 13:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <009301be9b21$c58227a0$0201a8c0@brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Steven N. Fettig" , "Steven Augart" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Email strategies - Multiple Accounts Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:14:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I use Outlook Express for my own (multiple) email addresses and Outlook 98 for work related stuff. Inside my employer's firewall, I use their SMTP server as the outgoing server and my regular SpryNet SMTP server for incoming email. Easy. David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 16:40:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26663 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19905; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 16:38:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19708; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19690; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 16:38:03 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pD4B8895D.dip.t-online.de [212.184.137.93]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id J2GYWGRS; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:30:22 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Subject: RE: 770Z & SoftDVD, DVDExpress, Hardware Decoder, XingDVD Player Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:37:45 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, After looking at the specs for the 770Z at www.cdw.com, it appears to me that the hardware decoder comes with it like my 770ED - if someone else, however, knows better, please let us/me know :) As for the "window" question. Yes, SoftDVD plays DVDs in a full screen window. You should be aware, however, that all of the DVDs I have bought or rented are wide-screen version. This means that on a 13.7" or 14.1" screen the upper 2 and lower 2 inches of the screen are not used. I am completely satisfied with the playback quality and size - it is definitely not meant for a crowd, though. Then again, that is what the video and audio cable out is for (which is part of the decoder card)... I liked the looks of XingDVD Player, but like I said, I cannot get it to work properly and Xing was not any help. I wish someone could come up with a fix so it works on the 770x series USING the hardware decoder... Also, Media player did not overwrite the device files already loaded >from other devices on the 770. Hope this helps further... Steve ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) ________________________________________________________________________ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 18:30:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27947 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26422; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 18:27:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26233; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26219; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 18:27:45 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip-32-100-39-206.nj.us.ibm.net [32.100.39.206]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA60878; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:27:36 GMT Message-ID: <001901be9b35$38f67340$ce276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Steven N. Fettig" , "Vincent Poy" Cc: References: Subject: Re: TP 770X DVD, Memory, Modem Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:34:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: The playback is always better with a hardware decoder as it takes the decoding off the processor. I read that for good software only decoding you really need a 366Mhz or > processor. The problem is that all the other decoders I have tried did not use the decoder and relied on the processor which in my 266 PII 770ED resulted in poor playback. I still have not tried DVD Express as I can't find it anywhere. Would like to try it and see if its better than the SoftDVD. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven N. Fettig To: Vincent Poy Cc: Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 12:36 PM Subject: RE: TP 770X DVD, Memory, Modem > Vincent, > I have a 770ED and did some spec. comparisons to the 770X and my > machine and think that what I am about to say goes for the 770X also: > - I would suggest against using DVD without a hardware decoder. I tried to > use the software package XingDVD Player which does not make use of the > hardware decoder on my 770ED and was completely disappointed by its > performance. If - and I would imagine this goes for other machines > attempting to only use software decoding - you try to bypass the hardware > decoder and rely solely on the speed of your machine, the picture stutters. > I.E. it will show a few frames of the movie (3-4 sec) and stop while the > audio continues and then start up again. Not worth watching a movie at > all... (I contacted Xing about this problem, but they told me to do what I > had already done and were no help at all.) > - The memory that the TP comes installed with does not take up any of the > open slots - unless that amount of memory was not standard on that machine. > For example, my 770 came with 64 MB RAM and both slots were empty. If the > 770X comes originally with 128 MB - which it looks like it does - the two > slots should be free for more memory. > - I have drivers for the V.90 comm. for both 56Flex and X2 for my TP and got > them from IBM's site. (I haven't used the Flex version for quite some time, > however, so I don't know if it would work with my current settings. I had, > however, the same results with both drivers - a so-called connect rate of > 56K but really had averages of about 44K - on really good phone lines.) > > Steve > > p.s. If you have more questions about DVD, please write to me directly. I > have fooled around with different settings over the past few months and have > figured some other things out (especially with regards to playing DVDs from > other than Region 1). > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator > Hillsdale College > Hillsdale, MI > > Email: > snfettig@hillsdale.edu snfettig@pensys.com > > Tel: > (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 > (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 > 9667) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 12:42 AM > To: Dan Galender > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; John Olyarchuk > Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > > On Sun, 9 May 1999, Dan Galender wrote: > > I too am considering the 770Z and would like some comments from > you guys regarding the screen size and the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter. I > noticed that the 8 meg Video version comes with the 13.7" screen as > opposed to the 14.1" screen. I know the 13.7" does a higher resolution > but is there a reason why IBM made the screen smaller or are the two > different types of screens? Also, for the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter, is > that really needed for smooth full screen playback of DVD and MPEG-1 and > does the DVD Enhanced Video Adapter help much? Also, I see that the 770Z > can support up to 320 megs of ram but doesn't the unit only have 2 memory > slots with one already taken by the system when it's shipped, so wouldn't > that make it only 256 megs total? Last question, I noticed that the 770Z > comes with a build in modem, is this based on X2 w/v90 or is it a K56Flex > w/90 modem since it seems like all the X2 based modems w/v90 seems to > perform better for PCMCIA cards. Also, I noticed both Dan and John are in > the San Francisco Bay Area. I'm in SF and could use some pointers of > where I can get the 770Z locally or even mail-order with a good return > policy in case it isn't what I wanted. Thanks everyone! > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > John- > > > > I've got a 770Z and evaluated both the Mobility and the Selectabase 770. > > Based (no pun intended) on esthetics, I prefered the Mobility unit (as I > > didn't care about the keylock feature), but ended up going with IBM > because > > the Mobility solution does *not* support either warm or hot docking or > > undocking (as the IBM does). I didn't want to have to power the 770 off > > every time I docked or undocked. > > > > Hope this experience is useful for you. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > -Dan Galender > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Dan Galender Email: dan@galender.com > > Galender & Associates, Inc. Phone: 510/728-4700 > > http://www.galender.com Fax: 510/728-4701 > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Olyarchuk [mailto:jgo@genome.stanford.edu] > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 5:38 PM > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I am about to order a 770Z and, as a docking/network solution, am trying > > to decide between a Selectabase 770 (IBM #83H6735)/PC Card Enabler with > > Etherjet (IBM #05K4820) and a Mobility Dock with Ethernet for TP770 > > (Mobility Electronics #IB0751103-10). > > > > There is the obvious difference in price (+~150) and the option of adding > > PCMCIA cards to the base in the IBM solution. > > > > I am concerned about reliability and integration issues with the third > > party (Mobility) solution, as well as anything else I may have overlooked. > > > > Any experience/opinions/insights will be *greatly* appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > > ____________________________________________ > > John G. Olyarchuk, MD > > Postdoctoral Fellow, Genome Bioinformatics > > Biochemistry Department > > Beckman Center B400, MC5307 > > Stanford University School of Medicine > > Palo Alto, California 94305-5307 USA > > lab: 650-498-5998 > > fax: 650-723-6783 > > page: 650-317-7701 > > email: jgo@genome.stanford.edu > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 18:32:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27963 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26657; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 18:29:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26487; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26406; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 18:28:49 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id SAA18191; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:28:45 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from mariner.concentric.net (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id SAA11703; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:28:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Yong Whang X-Sender: Ywhang@mariner.cris.com To: "Eric D. Gottlieb" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NT4.0 Workstation on a 365XD In-Reply-To: <001001be9ae4$17964e60$1801a8c0@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: At one time, I ran NT on P-100. Performance was okay. I could have lived with it. However, NT wants lots of RAM. On my present machine, NT uses 42 Megs for itself (i.e. no applications running). So booting up was painful with P-100... It literally would take 5-10 minutes to boot up, but after that (as long as it doesn't swap), it's okay. So get lots of memory, even more than 64MB if you can. Memory is much more important to NT than CPU speed, I think. Yong On Mon, 10 May 1999, Eric D. Gottlieb wrote: > Hi, > > I am considering installing NT 4.0 on my 365XD (P-100, 40MB RAM, 810HD). > IBM's website has all of the special drivers and even step-by-step > instructions for the intstallation on my particular machine, so I know that > it can be done, but was kind of curious about the performance i can expect. > Has anyone run NT on a 365XD or a machine with similar specs? I am > currently running Windows 98, and that is such a memory hog that some things > run very slow. Does anyone know how NT would run compared to this? > > Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions anyone can offer! > > Eric > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 18:34:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27996 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27189; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 18:31:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26855; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26832; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 18:31:44 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip-32-100-39-206.nj.us.ibm.net [32.100.39.206]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA86368; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:30:18 GMT Message-ID: <002b01be9b35$995f8aa0$ce276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Mark Bell" , "richard" Cc: References: <4.1.19990510082540.0094cf00@pop.rcn.com> Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:36:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Only if you are running enough concurrent processes that are eating up those first 64 megs. With windows 98, IE5.0 and Lotus Wordpro I'm already over the 64 megs. Don > Do you think that a 570 with 333 pII and win98 will run noticeably faster > if I add another 64mb (or more) to the existing 64mb? > > Also, IBM sells the same 64mb module for the 600, 570 and a few other > models. Some vendors charge different prices for different models (not IBM > brand memory). Does this make any sense? > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 18:39:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA28046 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27863; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 18:35:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27677; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27661; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (165.87.194.243 -> out5.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 18:35:41 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip-32-100-39-206.nj.us.ibm.net [32.100.39.206]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA51044; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:35:34 GMT Message-ID: <003701be9b36$5645b220$ce276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Greg Langham" , , "'Vincent Poy'" References: <7553C6C478C1D011999300A024D2D2957E3BA4@mail.ubh.com> Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:42:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: The modem does not perform as well as the USR modems. Some say that is due to many ISP's running hardware more compatible with USR modems. I disagree. The IBM Modems are to 'strict' when it comes to line noise. I would think they can fix this in code??? I have no problems connecting at 49-51K with the built in modem at the office but at home can only get 28K on one line and 38K on the second line. The specs on the chipset used on the modem are impressive but what good is that if the code stinks.. Don > 4. Modem - this is probably the weakest part of the machine. We have 4 > 770's in the office and we all use the internal modem; however, we get > better connect rates using no-name brand PCI Winmodems overall than with the > built-in modem. But we're all living with them. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 19:43:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA28757 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01148; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 19:39:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00960; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00947; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 19:39:54 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA05517; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990510193357.00960920@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:39:50 -0400 To: "Donald Mak" From: richard Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <002b01be9b35$995f8aa0$ce276420@thinkpad> References: <4.1.19990510082540.0094cf00@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: How can I tell if I'm eating up 64mb? I'm running win98, ie5, ms word, eudora. Is System Monitor usefull for determining this? Allocated memory is 122mb and unused physical memory is usually under 2-3mb. I don't notice a lot of hard disk thrashing. At 06:36 PM 5/10/99 -0400, you wrote: >Only if you are running enough concurrent processes that are eating up those >first 64 megs. With windows 98, IE5.0 and Lotus Wordpro I'm already over the >64 megs. > >Don > >> Do you think that a 570 with 333 pII and win98 will run noticeably faster >> if I add another 64mb (or more) to the existing 64mb? >> >> Also, IBM sells the same 64mb module for the 600, 570 and a few other >> models. Some vendors charge different prices for different models (not IBM >> brand memory). Does this make any sense? >> From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 19:51:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA28856 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01936; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 19:50:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01789; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01776; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 19:50:11 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-103.usc.edu [128.125.224.103]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id QAA08501; Mon, 10 May 1999 16:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990510164620.01c6a510@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:49:16 -0700 To: Benjamin Koh , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: VCDs (was Re: SoftDVD, DVDExpress, Hardware Decoder) In-Reply-To: <37373BBC.1A101843@leland.stanford.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:04 PM 5/10/99 -0700, you wrote: > Hardware assistance gives a (slightly) better image in many cases since >the decoder can do more fancy stuff. With software you're usually >limited to interpolation, which is usually pretty good anyway - beats >any Quicktime or AVI anytime. For a firsthand look at MPEG vs AVI vs >Quicktime, visit any StarWars fan site and download all 3 versions of >the same trailer. The AVI is smooth but poor quality, the Quicktime is >jerky and pixellated, and sound is sometimes out of sync. The MPEG is >fully resizable throughout, plays smoothly, has perfect pic-sound sync >and is _sharp_. Quicktime sucks. AVI sucks. Apparently you haven't done any video editing. In my experience, its not the extension that matters as much as it is the CODEC used to compress the video (and admittedly, many CODECs are tied to a particular video file type). I have seen MPEG's that suck where an AVI was much better. And for what its worth, as near as I can tell, Quicktime format uses something very similar to MPEG anyway (it doesn't store each frame, but rather just stores key frames with a mathematical "prediction" of what the frames in-between the keys look like--incidently, while this is fine for a final product, it *stinks* for editing because of this fact). - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 20:03:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA29000 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02946; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 20:01:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02651; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02638; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (165.87.194.239 -> out4.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 20:01:11 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip166-72-104-95.nj.us.ibm.net [166.72.104.95]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA198922; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:01:05 GMT Message-ID: <000501be9b42$47da7ac0$5f6848a6@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "richard" Cc: References: <4.1.19990510082540.0094cf00@pop.rcn.com> <4.1.19990510193357.00960920@pop.rcn.com> Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:07:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I really never used any of the tools that came with windows. I like the Norton Utilities Tools. Even there I don't use it often. Every once in a while I pull up the System Information and check memory use. I find that keeping utilities running in the background is a waste of time and memory. I just checked and I'm currently using 85 megs. 40 for Oracle, 25 megs for IE 5.0 and the rest devided between all the other apps. Pretty sad that IE is using more memory than Oracle Database. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: richard To: Donald Mak Cc: Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 7:39 PM Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > How can I tell if I'm eating up 64mb? I'm running win98, ie5, ms word, > eudora. > > Is System Monitor usefull for determining this? Allocated memory is 122mb > and unused physical memory is usually under 2-3mb. > > I don't notice a lot of hard disk thrashing. > > At 06:36 PM 5/10/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Only if you are running enough concurrent processes that are eating up those > >first 64 megs. With windows 98, IE5.0 and Lotus Wordpro I'm already over the > >64 megs. > > > >Don > > > >> Do you think that a 570 with 333 pII and win98 will run noticeably faster > >> if I add another 64mb (or more) to the existing 64mb? > >> > >> Also, IBM sells the same 64mb module for the 600, 570 and a few other > >> models. Some vendors charge different prices for different models (not IBM > >> brand memory). Does this make any sense? > >> > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 20:26:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA29328 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04423; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 20:25:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04259; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04246; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (203.216.5.12 -> smtp02.mail.gol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 20:24:58 -0400 Received: from vectra (tc-1-161.ariake.gol.ne.jp [203.216.42.161]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/893-SMTP-P) with SMTP id JAA20241; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:23:46 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <003601be9b44$854007c0$0200a8c0@vectra> From: "Steve" To: "Leandro Rzezak" , References: <000201be9a4c$4a483230$21d500c8@pcleandro> Subject: Re: External Keyboard & mouse Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:23:32 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: The port replicator base from IBM (don't have part #, sorry) has two PS/2 ports, as well as serial, parallel, FDD (don't remember if USB was there, too) for doing away with cable hookup headaches everytime you need to go mobile. However, you need another optional attachment if you use PCMCIA cards in a similar manner. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Leandro Rzezak To: Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 3:46 AM Subject: External Keyboard & mouse > Hi, > > I have a thinkpad 600, it does not have any connector for an external > keyboard but it has for PS/2 mouse. > > Anybody know how can I connect both devices? > > Thank you in advance.. > > Leandro > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 20:28:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA29376 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04846; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 20:27:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04611; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04595; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 20:27:06 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.16.18]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990511002703.CJOT26629@770> for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:27:03 +0000 Message-ID: <3737795F.11B5@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:27:11 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: FS: 770 Floppy drive! References: <001901be9b35$38f67340$ce276420@thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have for sale only four units. These are new in OEM packaging. External cable is NOT included. $50.00 each plus shipping They'll go for more when I put them on ebay, grab one now This is model FD-05U for the 770 ultra-bay or the Solectadock 3 ultrabay. FRU12J0425 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 20:34:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA29426 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05448; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 20:32:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05301; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05230; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 20:31:34 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26764.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.245]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA29609 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <021901be9b45$f2eed660$f556e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: Subject: FA: IBM Dock II's for only $19.99 - Dutch Auction - 100 available - No reserve price. Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:33:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0216_01BE9B24.6B6C2510" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0216_01BE9B24.6B6C2510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They have no keys and no IDE cable, otherwise, they are in excellent = condition. These are off-lease, refurbished units, and have never had = internal devices installed. As with most off-lease units, keys, manuals = and diskettes are left behind in some desk drawer. Unfortunately, the = IDE cable is shipped with the manuals and diskettes, thus all the units = are missing it. They do have the internal SCSI cable though. Display = shelves are also available for an additional charge. 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------=_NextPart_000_0216_01BE9B24.6B6C2510-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 22:00:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA00232 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09063; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 21:56:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08934; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08920; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (192.232.119.69 -> kodakr.kodak.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 21:56:38 -0400 Received: from cyber.kodak.com (toolbox.cyber.kodak.com [150.221.56.29]) by kodakr.kodak.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA20398; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toolchest.cyber by cyber.kodak.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA23914; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:56:34 -0400 (unknown) Received: from CALIPER ([150.221.98.97]) by toolchest.cyber (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA10211; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:54:35 -0400 Message-Id: <5006-Mon10May1999215435-0400-lms@kodak.com> X-Mailer: emacs 20.3.1 (via feedmail 8 I) From: "Larry Strollo" To: JES770@aol.com CC: lms@kodak.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-reply-to: <3ffc9391.2468801c@aol.com> (JES770@aol.com) Subject: Re: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in tray ? References: <3ffc9391.2468801c@aol.com> List-Unsubscribe: JES770> Larry Strollo" wrote: >> Does anyone know how to get rid of it ? JES770> Crl-Alt-Del JES770> Click on "Daemon" JES770> Click "End Task" button JES770> This will remove the icon in systray; however the trackpoint JES770> still functions. Yep, track point still works, however icon is still in the tray (WinNT4, SP4). I wonder what process I just killed..... -- LMS --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Larry Strollo Eastman Kodak Co. lms@kodak.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 22:01:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA00245 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09526; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 22:00:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09285; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09265; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (192.232.119.69 -> kodakr.kodak.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 21:59:53 -0400 Received: from cyber.kodak.com (toolbox.cyber.kodak.com [150.221.56.29]) by kodakr.kodak.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA20704; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toolchest.cyber by cyber.kodak.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA23950; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:59:49 -0400 (unknown) Received: from CALIPER ([150.221.98.97]) by toolchest.cyber (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA10224; Mon, 10 May 1999 21:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:57:49 -0400 Message-Id: <2102-Mon10May1999215749-0400-lms@kodak.com> X-Mailer: emacs 20.3.1 (via feedmail 8 I) From: "Larry Strollo" To: rbell1@netscape.net CC: lms@kodak.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-reply-to: <19990510174428.23211.qmail@www0c.netaddress.usa.net> (message from Rob Bell on 10 May 99 12:44:28 CDT) Subject: Re: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in tray ? References: <19990510174428.23211.qmail@www0c.netaddress.usa.net> List-Unsubscribe: Rob> Deleting that key should prevent the Rob> trackpoint service from loading at startup. Rob> The =91right=92 way to remove it may be to use Add/Remove Programs Rob> and un= install IBM TrackPoint services. = Rob; Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, I *do* want track point services to start up (it seems like the trackpoint responds better using the trackpoint drivers instead of the vanilla mouse drivers). -- LMS --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Larry Strollo Eastman Kodak Co. lms@kodak.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 10 23:20:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA00807 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 23:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12601; Mon, 10 May 1999 23:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 May 1999 23:18:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12470; Mon, 10 May 1999 23:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww181.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12454; Mon, 10 May 1999 23:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww181.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.81 -> ww181.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 May 1999 23:18:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 12380 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 1999 03:18:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19990511031833.12379.qmail@ww181.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.81 by ww181 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Tue May 11 03:18:33 GMT 1999 Date: 10 May 99 22:18:33 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Larry Strollo Subject: Re: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in tray ? CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Sorry. I interpreted your want to remove the icon to mean that you also wanted the software removed or shut off. What point would there be to removing the icon from the system tray other than to unclutter things a b= it? = just curious... Rob "Larry Strollo" wrote: > = > > = > Rob> Deleting that key should prevent the > Rob> trackpoint service from loading at startup. > = > Rob> The =3D91right=3D92 way to remove it may be to use Add/Remove = Programs > Rob> and un=3D install IBM TrackPoint services. =3D > = > Rob; > = > Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, I *do* want track point services= to > start up (it seems like the trackpoint responds better using the trackp= oint > drivers instead of the vanilla mouse drivers). > = > -- = > = > LMS > = > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > Larry Strollo Eastman Kodak Co. lms@kodak= =2Ecom > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 00:09:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA01171 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14515; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 00:08:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14381; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14364; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (207.69.200.30 -> smtp0.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 00:08:04 -0400 Received: from tp770 (pool-209-138-39-70.irvn.grid.net [209.138.39.70]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA24045 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00a201be9b63$e3baf2a0$46278ad1@tp770> From: "James Lai" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Best place to buy TP600 battery? Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:08:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Any comment on where or from who to buy extra battery for TP600? Thanks From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 00:22:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA01266 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15916; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 00:20:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15670; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15467; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 00:19:11 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-5.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.5]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA23303; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990511002342.01259428@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:23:42 -0400 To: , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: <199905101452.KAA21878@garnet.sover.net> References: <3.0.1.32.19990510080550.01258cf8@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:43 AM 5/10/99 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >>>Last question, I noticed that the 770Z >>>comes with a build in modem, is this based on X2 w/v90 or is it a K56Flex >>>w/90 modem since it seems like all the X2 based modems w/v90 seems to >>>perform better for PCMCIA cards. > >>Modem is X2/V90, but for a lot of users, the performance is horrendous. I >>went with a USR/Megahertz X2/V90 Xjack modem and it consistently connects >>much higher (when I need a modem connection) than the internal POS. > >A lot of people say this, but I think this depends upon the local >telephone system. For email I get a connection faster and a faster >connection with the ACP modem in my TP600E, then I did/do with the USR >1560. This may be true for you, but I've been all over the place and the internal ACP POS is atrocious. It is very sensitive and finicky. I have never used the 600 series ACP device, so I can not compare or contrast. I've used the internal modems on the 1au,5au, and 8au models. It is simply terrible wherever I've gone except once in Florida. I was staying at the Days Inn, and when it connected at 46kbps, I almost fell out of my seat. A good connect rate, and in a hotel room to boot! But then I noticed the ground had gotten substantially colder.... >;P ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 00:22:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA01271 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15912; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 00:20:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15610; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15433; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 00:19:04 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-5.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.5]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA23275; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990511001741.012575d0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:17:41 -0400 To: richard From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990510082540.0094cf00@pop.rcn.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19990510080550.01258cf8@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:44 AM 5/10/99 -0400, richard wrote: >Do you think that a 570 with 333 pII and win98 will run noticeably faster >if I add another 64mb (or more) to the existing 64mb? Yep. My 770ED last year had 64megs. I upped it to 128megs, and Win98 ran much smoother with a drastic drop in disk swaps. I was so impressed I have 256megs in my desktop and 770z now. Add cacheman 3.6 to it, and your system will run much quicker, more stable and your resources are managed much better. >Also, IBM sells the same 64mb module for the 600, 570 and a few other >models. Some vendors charge different prices for different models (not IBM >brand memory). Does this make any sense? Each vendor charges their own price for specific types of memory (IBM, Kingston, Visiontek, Simple, Goldenram, etc...). I have a list of prefered brands, and then >from there I pick the cheapest price. Not all memory is made at the same location or for the same costs. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 02:53:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA02312 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 02:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20848; Tue, 11 May 1999 02:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 02:49:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20680; Tue, 11 May 1999 02:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20666; Tue, 11 May 1999 02:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 02:49:40 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pC19F08AB.dip.t-online.de [193.159.8.171]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id J2GYWH21; Tue, 11 May 1999 02:41:58 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: Subject: RE: Modem Issues - ACP vs. Others Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:49:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <003701be9b36$5645b220$ce276420@thinkpad> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: To all, I think a very important thing to keep in mind when using a modem is that your modem is only as good as the telephone line quality. In order to test this theory and others out, I got out my Xircom and tested it on the two lines I have in my apartment and compared it to the built-in modem on my TP 770ED. Although the Xircom usually connected at between 44 and 56K, the throughput never got above that of when I connected using the built-in modem (which said it was only connecting at 33.6K). In order to do this test, I used a pinging utility that is part of Symantec's Norton Utilities - which one can get to run separately from Utilities. My point is that although the Xircom was connecting at rates around 44K regularly and the built-in at rates of only 33.6, I did not get any real functional difference. Back to the phone lines. I have two phone lines in my office; with one I can connect at a tops of 12K - no matter which modem I hook up - and the other 33.6K. Since I'm the wire-guy, I know that this discrepancy is due the line quality of both the lines. Although my ear cannot hear a difference, the way that the phone lines are connected to our trunk and/or outside Telco makes an enormous difference. Hotels are an interesting scenario, because while most have upgraded to high-quality digital systems which should really boost your performance, a lot still use the same type of lines that cause the miserable 12K connection I get in my office... Okay, I think what I'd really like to see (as I read over what I already wrote it looks like I'm defending the ACP modem - too much) is a third-party tester, take the ACP modem and some other brands (3Com, Xircom, etc) and test them all on a line which is known to be of very high quality - i.e. where 56K would be imaginable - and ALSO take a phone line of mediocre quality and see what the results are. I would imagine that most of the higher quality modems will respond the same - regardless of what the so-called connect rate is. If IBM can't match the higher specs of the other modems, they ought build a better modem - I definitely paid for it... Steve ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) ________________________________________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Donald Mak [mailto:dvmak@ibm.net] Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 6:42 PM To: Greg Langham; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 'Vincent Poy' Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z The modem does not perform as well as the USR modems. Some say that is due to many ISP's running hardware more compatible with USR modems. I disagree. The IBM Modems are to 'strict' when it comes to line noise. I would think they can fix this in code??? I have no problems connecting at 49-51K with the built in modem at the office but at home can only get 28K on one line and 38K on the second line. The specs on the chipset used on the modem are impressive but what good is that if the code stinks.. Don > 4. Modem - this is probably the weakest part of the machine. We have 4 > 770's in the office and we all use the internal modem; however, we get > better connect rates using no-name brand PCI Winmodems overall than with the > built-in modem. But we're all living with them. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 03:42:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02519 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24375; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 03:41:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24292; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24260; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 03:41:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA25034; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:41:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:41:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Steven N. Fettig" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: 770Z & SoftDVD, DVDExpress, Hardware Decoder, XingDVD Player In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 10 May 1999, Steven N. Fettig wrote: Hello Steve, > After looking at the specs for the 770Z at www.cdw.com, it appears to > me that the hardware decoder comes with it like my 770ED - if someone else, > however, knows better, please let us/me know :) It seems like according to IBM's ThinkPad page at http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/, the Enhanced Video Apadpter is optional for a few hundred dollars. > As for the "window" question. Yes, SoftDVD plays DVDs in a full screen > window. You should be aware, however, that all of the DVDs I have bought or > rented are wide-screen version. This means that on a 13.7" or 14.1" screen > the upper 2 and lower 2 inches of the screen are not used. I am completely > satisfied with the playback quality and size - it is definitely not meant > for a crowd, though. Then again, that is what the video and audio cable out > is for (which is part of the decoder card)... I liked the looks of XingDVD > Player, but like I said, I cannot get it to work properly and Xing was not > any help. I wish someone could come up with a fix so it works on the 770x > series USING the hardware decoder... Yep, maybe there is a way to get Xing to write a patch or something to support the 770x series. > Also, Media player did not overwrite the device files already loaded > from other devices on the 770. Hope this helps further... Hmmm, is this the new Windows Media Player, formerly known as NetShow that plays MPEG-1, MPEG-I Level 3 Audio (MP3), NetShow, and RealMedia files? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 03:48:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02567 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25006; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 03:46:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24735; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24719; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 03:46:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA25057; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:46:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:46:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: Greg Langham , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: <003701be9b36$5645b220$ce276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 10 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > The modem does not perform as well as the USR modems. Some say that is > due to many ISP's running hardware more compatible with USR modems. I > disagree. This can't be true since I run a ISP with presence in Hawaii and San Francisco and we have both Ascend Max 4048 and USR Total Control Digital Terminal Servers with Digital Fiber circuits and it is known that we have seen customers with USR Sportsters hit 54k up/33.6k down when all other modems only get roughly around 40k/26.4k. The worst is the $12 Windows LT (Lucent Technologies Modems) since those would connect but the connection is really unreliable. > The IBM Modems are to 'strict' when it comes to line noise. I would think > they can fix this in code??? Not quite, it all depends on whose data pump the modems are based on. I remember IBM had Xjack based v90/X2 PCMCIA modems and those are either made for IBM by 3Com or IBM just licensed it from 3Com. > I have no problems connecting at 49-51K with the built in modem at the > office but at home can only get 28K on one line and 38K on the second line. > The specs on the chipset used on the modem are impressive but what good is > that if the code stinks.. Hmmm, interesting. I wonder who makes the modem chipset in the modem since I know the EtherJet combo 100BT/56k modem combo is really based on the Xircom. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 03:49:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02572 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25135; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 03:47:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24797; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access.crcn.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24762; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access.crcn.net (206.12.129.3 -> access.crcn.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 03:46:58 -0400 X-ROUTED: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:51:44 -0800 Received: from [206.12.131.40] by access.crcn.net with smtp id 001f2484 ; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:51:36 -0800 From: "Pat Presidente" To: Subject: ThinkPad Icons Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:47:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000601be9b82$87b9b120$28830cce@CRCN.NET> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: I used to have some Thinkpad icons that I believe were pointed to in this list at some point. Does anyone have the URL where they can be found? Thanks in advance Pat ========================================================================= Pat Presidente School District 72 (Campbell River) District Technology Resource Teacher 425 Pinecrest Road Email: pat.presidente@sd72.bc.ca Campbell River, BC V9W 3P2 Ph.(250) 830-2353 Fx.(250) 830-2329 Your door to the future ========================================================================= Well you know I could have me a million more friends And all I'd have to lose is my point of view - John Prine ========================================================================= From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 03:54:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02599 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25859; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 03:52:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25636; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25622; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 03:52:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA25093; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:52:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:52:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: <000501be9b42$47da7ac0$5f6848a6@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 10 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > I really never used any of the tools that came with windows. I like the > Norton Utilities Tools. Even there I don't use it often. Every once in a > while I pull up the System Information and check memory use. I find that > keeping utilities running in the background is a waste of time and memory. > I just checked and I'm currently using 85 megs. 40 for Oracle, 25 megs for > IE 5.0 and the rest devided between all the other apps. Pretty sad that IE > is using more memory than Oracle Database. I just checked on my 385ED (2635-5EU) with Norton Utilities System Information and mines uses 94.2MB just running Netscape Communicator 4.51 and IE5.0 and 3 SecureCRT sessions.... Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 03:57:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02611 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26218; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 03:56:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26092; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26079; Tue, 11 May 1999 03:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 03:56:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA25107; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:54:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:54:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Mark Bell cc: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990511001741.012575d0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 11 May 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > >Do you think that a 570 with 333 pII and win98 will run noticeably faster > >if I add another 64mb (or more) to the existing 64mb? > > Yep. My 770ED last year had 64megs. I upped it to 128megs, and Win98 ran > much smoother with a drastic drop in disk swaps. I was so impressed I > have 256megs in my desktop and 770z now. Add cacheman 3.6 to it, and your > system will run much quicker, more stable and your resources are managed > much better. Hmmm, interesting. How well does the 770z run with just 128 megs of ram for like a few IE5.0 windows and Netscape Communicator 4.5 windows? Seems like stuff like AOL Instant Manager and other stuff is a major resource hog. Where can one find cacheman? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 04:11:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA02676 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 04:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27374; Tue, 11 May 1999 04:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 04:10:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27241; Tue, 11 May 1999 04:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27208; Tue, 11 May 1999 04:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 04:10:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA25162; Tue, 11 May 1999 01:09:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 01:09:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Steven N. Fettig" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Modem Issues - ACP vs. Others In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 11 May 1999, Steven N. Fettig wrote: Greetings Steve and everyone, > I think a very important thing to keep in mind when using a modem is > that your modem is only as good as the telephone line quality. In order to > test this theory and others out, I got out my Xircom and tested it on the > two lines I have in my apartment and compared it to the built-in modem on my > TP 770ED. Although the Xircom usually connected at between 44 and 56K, the > throughput never got above that of when I connected using the built-in modem > (which said it was only connecting at 33.6K). In order to do this test, I > used a pinging utility that is part of Symantec's Norton Utilities - which > one can get to run separately from Utilities. My point is that although the > Xircom was connecting at rates around 44K regularly and the built-in at > rates of only 33.6, I did not get any real functional difference. As someone who runs a ISP, it is true that phone line quality matters as well as distance to the ILEC's Central Office and the switch. All of the phone companies use either the Nortern Telecom DM2000 or the Lucent Technologoes 5ESS Switch. The 3Com or USR to be exact does offer better connectivity and higher throughput because USR is one of the few modem manufacturers who designs their own data pump and technology. Xircom and many others buy the diagram and code from Lucent Technologies, Motorola, and Rockwell. That's why USR modems in their Courier line have always been the commercial grade modem besides Telebit's modems for corporations and those running Bulletin Board Systems as the quality of the modems are unsurpassed. Even the Sportster line from USR is better than all other modems on the market since most of the stuff are all the exact same design using either the Rockwell or Lucent chipsets. With all said, Rockwell chipset which the Ascend uses is really good since Ascend has connected to our modems in Hawaii from California and they get 53k/31.6k without any problems. The Lucent modems which are on sale for $12 now as WinLT (Windows Lucent Technologies) Modems have a lot of problems with users that it's driving our tech support department crazy. They wouldn't even connect to the Lucent Portmaster terminal servers reliably. Xircom's v90 code is based on Lucent's chipset so it may be just a bug with the Lucent's. Lucent used to be superior to Rockwell when they were known as AT&T. Since I have access on both sides, I have seen people with USR Sportsters connect at 54k/33.6k to our Ascend Max 4048 and USR/3Com Total Control Terminal Servers on our Primary Rate Interface (PRI) over Digital Fiber Optics while other modems hit 45k max with a upstream rate of 28.8k max. > Back to the phone lines. I have two phone lines in my office; with one > I can connect at a tops of 12K - no matter which modem I hook up - and the > other 33.6K. Since I'm the wire-guy, I know that this discrepancy is due > the line quality of both the lines. Although my ear cannot hear a > difference, the way that the phone lines are connected to our trunk and/or > outside Telco makes an enormous difference. Hotels are an interesting > scenario, because while most have upgraded to high-quality digital systems > which should really boost your performance, a lot still use the same type of > lines that cause the miserable 12K connection I get in my office... Actually, it also depends on the quality of the wires and the guage used and whether or not the telco put a digital oscillator loop on the wires to save money with a large amount of lines. That's why some lines won't work for DSL. > Okay, I think what I'd really like to see (as I read over what I > already wrote it looks like I'm defending the ACP modem - too much) is a > third-party tester, take the ACP modem and some other brands (3Com, Xircom, > etc) and test them all on a line which is known to be of very high quality - > i.e. where 56K would be imaginable - and ALSO take a phone line of mediocre > quality and see what the results are. I would imagine that most of the > higher quality modems will respond the same - regardless of what the > so-called connect rate is. If IBM can't match the higher specs of the other > modems, they ought build a better modem - I definitely paid for it... You bring up a very good point. I would pay for it as well since the PCMCIA cards all overheat and crashes the machine while a internal modem won't do that. Unless the higher-end thinkpad's handles heat on PCMCIA cards better than the 385ED (2635-5EU) I am using now. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 04:25:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA02757 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 04:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28609; Tue, 11 May 1999 04:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 04:24:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28474; Tue, 11 May 1999 04:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28461; Tue, 11 May 1999 04:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (165.87.194.229 -> out2.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 04:23:56 -0400 Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-100-112-245.ny.us.ibm.net [32.100.112.245]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA67822 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:23:52 GMT Message-ID: <3737E916.B679F61B@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 04:23:51 -0400 From: Friedrich Huebler Reply-To: huebler@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP380/All] External microphone - Thank you. References: <37370B4C.939577EF@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Birger and Peter, thanks for your help. I will buy one of those adapters. Friedrich From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 04:26:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA02767 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 04:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28895; Tue, 11 May 1999 04:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 04:25:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28769; Tue, 11 May 1999 04:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28740; Tue, 11 May 1999 04:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 04:25:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA25253 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 01:25:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 01:25:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Screen problems? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hello all, All of a sudden, my 385ED (2635-5EU) with the Fast Response Screen suddenly started having 20 vertical lines on the bottom right 2" of the screen in red, green and yellow. The lines are visible in any OS except when that portion of the screen is white in color. Does anyone know what the problem might be and has anyone seen a problem like this before? Guess it's really time to get that 770z I wanted. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 05:36:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA03067 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 05:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08318; Tue, 11 May 1999 05:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 05:35:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08183; Tue, 11 May 1999 05:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08169; Tue, 11 May 1999 05:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (195.174.27.3 -> home.egenet.com.tr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 05:35:19 -0400 Received: from tk-os2.egenet.com.tr (tk-os2.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.7]) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA00160; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:18:37 +0400 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199905110818.MAA00160@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "David W.Taylor" , "Rob Bell" , "Steven Augart" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:16:38 -0100 (TUR) Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <19990510190551.733.qmail@www0v.netaddress.usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Email strategies (was: Re: TP600: how to get rid of trackpoint icon in tray ?) 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From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 07:25:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA03516 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12652; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 07:23:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12470; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12446; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 07:23:11 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a265.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.139]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA05935; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905111123.HAA05935@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a265.bf.sover.net [209.198.81.139] 209.198.81.139 Tue, 11 May 1999 07:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 06:17:22 -0400 To: "James Lai" , "Thinkpad" In-Reply-To: <00a201be9b63$e3baf2a0$46278ad1@tp770> Subject: Re: Best place to buy TP600 battery? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >Any comment on where or from who to buy extra battery for TP600? Its $260 everwhere I've looked. There was $25 rebate on them last month, so maybe there is a new design coming in the supply line. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 07:31:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA03541 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13135; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 07:29:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12903; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12890; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235 -> smtp2.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 07:29:10 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA29744; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990511072536.00956e80@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 07:28:04 -0400 To: Mark Bell From: richard Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990511001741.012575d0@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> References: <4.1.19990510082540.0094cf00@pop.rcn.com> <3.0.1.32.19990510080550.01258cf8@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:17 AM 5/11/99 -0400, you wrote: >Yep. My 770ED last year had 64megs. I upped it to 128megs, and Win98 ran >much smoother with a drastic drop in disk swaps. I was so impressed I >have 256megs in my desktop and 770z now. Add cacheman 3.6 to it, and your >system will run much quicker, more stable and your resources are managed >much better. What is cacheman? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 07:43:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA03612 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14274; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 07:42:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14130; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14101; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (195.70.69.190 -> bisgw.blackwell.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 07:41:51 -0400 Received: from trss by fnord.blackwell.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 10hArZ-0006t4-00; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:38:17 +0100 To: richard Cc: Mark Bell , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z References: <4.1.19990510082540.0094cf00@pop.rcn.com> <3.0.1.32.19990510080550.01258cf8@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <4.1.19990511072536.00956e80@pop.rcn.com> From: Robin Stephenson X-Attribution: Robin X-PGP-keyID: 0xA38351BD X-Copyright: Copyright =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A9?= 1999 Robin Stephenson -- all rights reserved. Permission to reproduce attributed copies and extracts granted. X-rfc1876-address: 51 45.2 N 1 16.2 W 58m 0.5m 500m 2m Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 11 May 1999 12:38:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: richard's message of "Tue, 11 May 1999 07:28:04 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: "Robin Stephenson,,01865 792792 x3233,01865 782493" List-Unsubscribe: >>>>> On Tue, 11 May 1999 07:28:04 -0400 >>>>> "richard" == richard wrote: richard> At 12:17 AM 5/11/99 -0400, you wrote: >> [...] cacheman 3.6 to it, and your system will run much quicker, >> more stable and your resources are managed much better. richard> What is cacheman? -- Robin Stephenson Cash Value 0.0001p From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 08:10:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA03767 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15549; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 08:08:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15421; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15332; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 08:06:52 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-5.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.5]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA09160 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990511081139.0135e260@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:11:39 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19990511001741.012575d0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:54 AM 5/11/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: >On Tue, 11 May 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > >> >Do you think that a 570 with 333 pII and win98 will run noticeably faster >> >if I add another 64mb (or more) to the existing 64mb? >> >> Yep. My 770ED last year had 64megs. I upped it to 128megs, and Win98 ran >> much smoother with a drastic drop in disk swaps. I was so impressed I >> have 256megs in my desktop and 770z now. Add cacheman 3.6 to it, and your >> system will run much quicker, more stable and your resources are managed >> much better. > > Hmmm, interesting. How well does the 770z run with just 128 megs >of ram for like a few IE5.0 windows and Netscape Communicator 4.5 windows? >Seems like stuff like AOL Instant Manager and other stuff is a major >resource hog. Where can one find cacheman? The 770z ran quite nicely with 128megs, but I found some serious disk thrashing when working with Visual Basic 6.0 and Access97 together for development work. This especially happened when doing large cascade updates on back end tables (lots of Y2k update issues). If I had IE or Netscape opened up at the same time along with Word, the slowdowns where then *really* noticable. I noticed a speed improvement immediately with 256megs. Running with 128megs, and not keeping a lot of update/modules running, it ran nicely. IMHO, 64megs doesn't cut it anymore, but I hate disk thrashing or performance hits (yeah, that's why I run Win98 ;P ). You can get cacheman 3.6 here: http://members.xoom.com/ultimatum/cacheman.htm ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 10:31:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04761 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23658; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 10:29:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23462; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23449; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:29:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.6 -> imo16.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 10:29:49 -0400 Received: from John560e@aol.com (7984) by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id oHRKa03058 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9d6b758d.246998b0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:29:04 EDT Subject: Contact Congress! To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 List-Unsubscribe: CNN reported that, in the next two weeks, Congress is going to vote on allowing telephone companies to charge for Internet access. That means, every time we make a long distance e-mail we will receive a long distance charge. This could get very expensive. You can use the following website to complain to your Legislator. http://www.house.gov/writerep From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 10:57:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA05206 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25799; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 10:55:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25621; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from l3mail3 (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25604; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from l3mail3 (209.0.233.38 -> pop2.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 10:55:27 -0400 Received: (qmail 8234 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 1999 14:55:23 -0000 Received: from pppa62-tucson15-4r691.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.207.28) by pop2.netzero.net with SMTP; 11 May 1999 14:55:23 -0000 Message-ID: <373844CB.EC56A81A@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 07:55:07 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John560e@AOL.COM, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Contact Congress! References: <9d6b758d.246998b0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John560e@AOL.COM wrote: > > CNN reported that, in the next two weeks, Congress is going to vote Please quote the CNN report. I couldn't find it using the search engine at http://www.cnn.com and I think it would irresponsible (for me) to write to anybody about anything without a reference to the direct source of information. > on allowing telephone companies to charge for Internet access. That > means, every time we make a long distance e-mail we will receive a > long distance charge. This could get very expensive. > > You can use the following website to complain to your Legislator. > > http://www.house.gov/writerep ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 11:07:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA05336 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26949; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 11:06:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26764; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.leopard.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26662; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.leopard.com (199.239.18.2 -> smtp.leopard.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 11:05:25 -0400 Received: from ssh (needToKnowBasis.leopard.com [199.239.18.87] (may be forged)) by smtp.leopard.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA29584; Tue, 11 May 1999 09:17:50 -0600 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: , Subject: RE: Contact Congress! Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:07:30 -0600 Message-ID: <000e01be9bbf$fd1c4620$5712efc7@ssh.servicemetrics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <9d6b758d.246998b0@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Good grief! Again? Give me the link to CNN and I might consider it, but it's likely in the "common Internet hoaxes" section of their Web site, if it's there at all. See http://www.nonprofit.net/hoax/Hoax_Catalog.html for more information. ssh >-----Original Message----- >From: John560e@aol.com [mailto:John560e@aol.com] >Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 8:29 AM >To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Contact Congress! > > >CNN reported that, in the next two weeks, Congress is going to vote >on allowing telephone companies to charge for Internet access. That >means, every time we make a long distance e-mail we will receive a >long distance charge. This could get very expensive. > >You can use the following website to complain to your Legislator. > > http://www.house.gov/writerep > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 11:17:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA05451 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28179; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 11:16:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28046; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28029; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.blackwell.co.uk (195.70.69.190 -> bisgw.blackwell.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 11:16:09 -0400 Received: from trss by fnord.blackwell.co.uk with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 10hEFb-0006yU-00; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:15:19 +0100 To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu Cc: John560e@AOL.COM, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Contact Congress! References: <9d6b758d.246998b0@aol.com> <373844CB.EC56A81A@netzero.net> From: Robin Stephenson X-Attribution: Robin X-PGP-keyID: 0xA38351BD X-Copyright: Copyright =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A9?= 1999 Robin Stephenson -- all rights reserved. Permission to reproduce attributed copies and extracts granted. X-rfc1876-address: 51 45.2 N 1 16.2 W 58m 0.5m 500m 2m Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 11 May 1999 16:15:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: Juan-Carlos Lerman's message of "Tue, 11 May 1999 07:55:07 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: "Robin Stephenson,,01865 792792 x3233,01865 782493" List-Unsubscribe: >>>>> On Tue, 11 May 1999 07:55:07 -0700 >>>>> "Juan-Carlos" == Juan-Carlos Lerman wrote: Juan-Carlos> John560e@AOL.COM wrote: >> >> CNN reported that, in the next two weeks, Congress is going to vote [...] Um, did I miss the bit where this was a political list? I thought it was about ThinkPads. I'm not even *in* the US.... -- Robin Stephenson Naturally Brewed From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 11:36:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA05624 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29952; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 11:34:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29680; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0c.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29642; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0c.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.32 -> www0c.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 11:34:07 -0400 Received: (qmail 2688 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 1999 15:05:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19990511150533.2687.qmail@www0c.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.32 by www0c via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Tue May 11 15:05:33 GMT 1999 Date: 11 May 99 10:05:33 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Subject: RE: Contact Congress! X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: You doubt the integrity of a message coming from an AOL address? What _is= _ this world coming to when you can't trust things coming from AOL?? Seems like every 3rd piece of spam I get has an AOL address attached. Rob "Steve Hultquist" wrote: > Good grief! Again? > = > Give me the link to CNN and I might consider it, but it's likely in the= "common > Internet hoaxes" section of their Web site, if it's there at all. > = > See http://www.nonprofit.net/hoax/Hoax_Catalog.html for more informatio= n. > = > ssh ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 12:09:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06074 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02893; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 12:04:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02710; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02650; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 12:04:23 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-159.gate.net [207.36.212.159]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA187820; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:04:15 -0400 Message-ID: <373854A7.8E702CDD@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:02:48 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Screen problems? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince.. 1. are these there when you boot directly into DOS..? 2. have you run the video test..? 3. is that machine still under warranty..? Vincent Poy wrote: > Hello all, > > All of a sudden, my 385ED (2635-5EU) with the Fast Response Screen > suddenly started having 20 vertical lines on the bottom right 2" of the > screen in red, green and yellow. The lines are visible in any OS except > when that portion of the screen is white in color. Does anyone know what > the problem might be and has anyone seen a problem like this before? > Guess it's really time to get that 770z I wanted. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 12:17:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06184 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04475; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 12:14:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04033; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot014.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04020; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot014.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.114 -> pilot014.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 12:14:16 -0400 Received: from andres (pm457-29.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.135]) by pilot014.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA06832 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:14:12 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990511121531.00892490@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:15:31 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Screen problems? In-Reply-To: <373854A7.8E702CDD@icanect.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I'll bet that something in the row/column addressing logic for the screen has died. If that is the case, then looking at a new computer might not be that unreasonable, as a replacement screen is rather expensive. Any one pixel can go into a blown-open state but for a line of them, something in the controlling logic has to go. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu Vincent Poy wrote: > Hello all, > > All of a sudden, my 385ED (2635-5EU) with the Fast Response Screen > suddenly started having 20 vertical lines on the bottom right 2" of the > screen in red, green and yellow. The lines are visible in any OS except > when that portion of the screen is white in color. Does anyone know what > the problem might be and has anyone seen a problem like this before? > Guess it's really time to get that 770z I wanted. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 12:49:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06616 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07253; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 12:47:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07110; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.psnet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07097; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.psnet.net (216.98.165.1 -> psnet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 12:47:29 -0400 Received: from adam (216.98.165.72 [216.98.165.72]) by ns1.psnet.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id K297RQ7Z; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:42:41 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Robert W. King" To: "Vincent Poy" , "Donald Mak" Cc: "Greg Langham" , Subject: ThinkPad 770 modem Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:47:03 -0600 Message-ID: <000d01be9bd6$47b36b80$0401a8c0@adam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Hi guys! While we're talking about the 770 internal modem, I have a question. Does anybody know how to tell the thing to report the actual modem to modem data rate to DUN (as many other modems do) instead of the UART to modem rate? While being told that I'm communicating at 115 kbps is something that we can all wish for, I'd rather have some feel for the real rate which is probably 24,000 or 21,600 bps. Did I mention I live several miles out of town? There's a lot of copper between me and the telephone company's central office. :) -- Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086 InterNet: robtking@prioritysolutions.com http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/i/n/Robert-W-King/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 13:46:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07261 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11605; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 13:44:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11313; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11289; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 13:44:28 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09436; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37386C42.82DD9B1A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:43:30 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.7-nfsv3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: robtking@prioritysolutions.com CC: Vincent Poy , Donald Mak , Greg Langham , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770 modem References: <000d01be9bd6$47b36b80$0401a8c0@adam> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You can run the ThinkPad Modem program and it will tell you the current modem-modem speed. You can even see how it changes over time (e.g., start at 44k and drop down to 33.6k). This implies that the initial connect speed is often not reliable. At least this worked on my TP600. --Lee Hethernigton From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 13:54:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07366 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12855; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 13:51:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12375; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12357; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 13:51:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28460; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:49:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:49:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Mark Bell cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990511081139.0135e260@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 11 May 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > At 12:54 AM 5/11/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > >On Tue, 11 May 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > > > >> >Do you think that a 570 with 333 pII and win98 will run noticeably faster > >> >if I add another 64mb (or more) to the existing 64mb? > >> > >> Yep. My 770ED last year had 64megs. I upped it to 128megs, and Win98 ran > >> much smoother with a drastic drop in disk swaps. I was so impressed I > >> have 256megs in my desktop and 770z now. Add cacheman 3.6 to it, and your > >> system will run much quicker, more stable and your resources are managed > >> much better. > > > > Hmmm, interesting. How well does the 770z run with just 128 megs > >of ram for like a few IE5.0 windows and Netscape Communicator 4.5 windows? > >Seems like stuff like AOL Instant Manager and other stuff is a major > >resource hog. Where can one find cacheman? > > The 770z ran quite nicely with 128megs, but I found some serious disk > thrashing when working with Visual Basic 6.0 and Access97 together for > development work. This especially happened when doing large cascade > updates on back end tables (lots of Y2k update issues). If I had IE or > Netscape opened up at the same time along with Word, the slowdowns > where then *really* noticable. I noticed a speed improvement > immediately with 256megs. Running with 128megs, and not keeping a lot > of update/modules running, it ran nicely. IMHO, 64megs doesn't cut it > anymore, but I hate disk thrashing or performance hits (yeah, that's > why I run Win98 ;P ). Interesting. I haven't tried any machine with 128 megs before. On my Desktop, I had 96 and then went straight to 180. the disk thrashing and performance hits with the HD Virtual Memory Subsystem seems to be a Microsoft Windows problem since Unix can use 64 megs and then like 256 megs of swap and it does it effectively and efficiently without the slowdowns one sees on Windows. Speaking about memory on the 770z, does the stock 128 megs of ram come all on one memory module or is it true what I read on PC Connection that 64 megs is soldered on board and a 64 meg module is added. I wonder if there is anyway to buy the machine with 256 megs of ram stock since if it was the later, I would buy 2 128 meg modules and end up with a 64 meg that I can't do anything with, collecting dust. > You can get cacheman 3.6 here: > > http://members.xoom.com/ultimatum/cacheman.htm Thanks for the link. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 13:55:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07375 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12972; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 13:52:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12598; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12584; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:52:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.8 -> imo18.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 13:52:37 -0400 Received: from AlanCDane@aol.com (14436) by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id aDQFa16141; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4c6dfe5a.2469c817@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:51:19 EDT Subject: Re: RE: Contact Congress! To: ssh@leopard.com, John560e@aol.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 List-Unsubscribe: been there, done that! it's specifically concerning rural internet access, not the rest of us who have the benefit of local access dial up numbers..... check it out. Alan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 13:57:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07413 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13439; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 13:55:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13102; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13000; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 13:54:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28485; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:54:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:54:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Screen problems? In-Reply-To: <373854A7.8E702CDD@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 11 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Hello Bill, > 1. are these there when you boot directly into DOS..? Yes, it is there since I have tried that and with the DOS background black screen, I can see the lines even clearer. Each line is a different color. The only time when the lines aren't seen is when that area is white. When the screen is red, the colors change to red and when it's blue, all the lines turn black. > 2. have you run the video test..? Yes I did and I saw it there too. This is the one in the Bios setup/diagnostics right? > 3. is that machine still under warranty..? I don't think so even though I have the Radio Shack ESP I hope still. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > All of a sudden, my 385ED (2635-5EU) with the Fast Response Screen > > suddenly started having 20 vertical lines on the bottom right 2" of the > > screen in red, green and yellow. The lines are visible in any OS except > > when that portion of the screen is white in color. Does anyone know what > > the problem might be and has anyone seen a problem like this before? > > Guess it's really time to get that 770z I wanted. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 14:03:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07485 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14521; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 14:00:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14021; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13949; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 13:59:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28524; Tue, 11 May 1999 10:59:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:59:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "STeve Andre'" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Screen problems? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990511121531.00892490@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 11 May 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: Hi Steve, I think you might be correct. Since it was funny that the day before, someone mentioned how good the quality of TP screens were, without one bad pixel so I was thinking "Wow" since I have never turned my machine off for like the last 1.5 years. It's just weird that the colors are all solid lines of one different color for each line. The lines disappear on a white background. Very dim on a red background, turn black on a blue background. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > I'll bet that something in the row/column addressing logic for the screen > has died. If that is the case, then looking at a new computer might not > be that unreasonable, as a replacement screen is rather expensive. Any > one pixel can go into a blown-open state but for a line of them, something > in the controlling logic has to go. > > --STeve Andre' > andres@pilot.msu.edu > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > All of a sudden, my 385ED (2635-5EU) with the Fast Response Screen > > suddenly started having 20 vertical lines on the bottom right 2" of the > > screen in red, green and yellow. The lines are visible in any OS except > > when that portion of the screen is white in color. Does anyone know what > > the problem might be and has anyone seen a problem like this before? > > Guess it's really time to get that 770z I wanted. > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 14:08:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07566 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15304; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 14:05:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14904; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14866; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 14:05:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28562; Tue, 11 May 1999 11:05:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:05:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Robert W. King" cc: Donald Mak , Greg Langham , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770 modem In-Reply-To: <000d01be9bd6$47b36b80$0401a8c0@adam> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 11 May 1999, Robert W. King wrote: Hi Robert, > While we're talking about the 770 internal modem, I have a question. Does > anybody know how to tell the thing to report the actual modem to modem data > rate to DUN (as many other modems do) instead of the UART to modem rate? > While being told that I'm communicating at 115 kbps is something that we can > all wish for, I'd rather have some feel for the real rate which is probably > 24,000 or 21,600 bps. Did I mention I live several miles out of town? > There's a lot of copper between me and the telephone company's central > office. :) This all depends on the brand of modem since a lot of the Generic modems seems to report the rate of the serial port rather than the actual data speed. All USR/3Com modems would report the actual connection speed rather than the serial port speed. You might live out of town but the Central Office for your area might be closer than you might think. =) Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 15:06:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08470 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20660; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 15:04:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20513; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20488; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 15:03:49 -0400 Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08807; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:03:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA12871; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:59:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, "'Rob Bell'" Subject: RE: Contact Congress! Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:59:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I would consider these messages a hoax. For several reasons like: ---------- From: Rob Bell [SMTP:rbell1@netscape.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 11:06 AM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Contact Congress! You doubt the integrity of a message coming from an AOL address? What _is_ this world coming to when you can't trust things coming from AOL?? Seems like every 3rd piece of spam I get has an AOL address attached. Rob "Steve Hultquist" wrote: > Good grief! Again? > > Give me the link to CNN and I might consider it, but it's likely in the "common > Internet hoaxes" section of their Web site, if it's there at all. > > See http://www.nonprofit.net/hoax/Hoax_Catalog.html for more information. > > ssh ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 15:18:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08639 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22028; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 15:16:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21945; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21913; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 15:16:31 -0400 Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03338; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:16:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA25251; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:16:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:11:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, "'Rob Bell'" Subject: RE: Contact Congress! Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:11:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, It looks like a hoax. I look for stuff like: The "in two weeks" is suspect as issues are usually known months in advance and do not sneak up on you without someone affected knowing about it. Bills have to be introduced, go through committees, etc. There are no URLs to view the story on CNN. There is no bill number included in the message. All the real messages I have seen will mention a bill number such as HR-2312 or S-5064. The reason is it is more effective to say to your congressperson that you are for or against a bill than a more general "I am against internet taxes" concept. They will also mention the committee considering the bill and congresspeople sponsoring the bill and/or on the committee. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Rob Bell [SMTP:rbell1@netscape.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 11:06 AM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Contact Congress! You doubt the integrity of a message coming from an AOL address? What _is_ this world coming to when you can't trust things coming from AOL?? Seems like every 3rd piece of spam I get has an AOL address attached. Rob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 16:14:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09537 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25999; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 16:10:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25710; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25694; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.200.11 -> mill.cisco.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 16:10:26 -0400 Received: from cisco.com (root@kend-linux.cisco.com [161.44.200.31]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA26867; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Sender: root@mill.cisco.com Message-ID: <37388E79.550E9E54@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:09:29 -0400 From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John560e@aol.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Contact Congress! References: <9d6b758d.246998b0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well, actually, this guy's not *TOO* far off. The FCC has contemplated legislation that would make calls to ISPs be considered the same as long-distance phone calls, since the level of service they offer is beginning to converge with that which a telco can offer. So far, they haven't done anything amazing, and, frankly, congress *doesn't* want this to pass... but the FCC is a pretty solo shop, and not under congress' purview. Not a whole hell of a lot we can do about it just right now... Ken D'Ambrosio SysAdmin, Cisco Systems, Inc. John560e@aol.com wrote: > CNN reported that, in the next two weeks, Congress is going to vote > on allowing telephone companies to charge for Internet access. That > means, every time we make a long distance e-mail we will receive a > long distance charge. This could get very expensive. > > You can use the following website to complain to your Legislator. > > http://www.house.gov/writerep From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 17:10:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10350 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29641; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 17:06:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29373; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from l3mail2 (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29347; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from l3mail2 (209.0.233.37 -> pop1.netzero.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 17:06:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 1961 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 1999 21:06:12 -0000 Received: from pppa5-tucson15-4r691.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.11.206.227) by pop1.netzero.net with SMTP; 11 May 1999 21:06:12 -0000 Message-ID: <37389BB6.C373BB01@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:05:58 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ken D'Ambrosio" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Contact Congress! documented and offtopic References: <9d6b758d.246998b0@aol.com> <37388E79.550E9E54@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I find surprising that *real and quotable* documentation relevant to off-topic issues is not given. About one of the statements below, please read the reference that is quoted: Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: > > Well, actually, this guy's not *TOO* far off. The FCC has contemplated > legislation that would make calls to ISPs be considered the same as This is the relevant WebPage from the FCC a few minutes ago: http://www.fcc.gov/isp.html *************************** I wish somebody will summarize it for all of us and to close this off-topic thread with documentation about any *new* developments. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > long-distance phone calls, since the level of service they offer is beginning > to converge with that which a telco can offer. So far, they haven't done > anything amazing, and, frankly, congress *doesn't* want this to pass... > but the FCC is a pretty solo shop, and not under congress' purview. > Not a whole hell of a lot we can do about it just right now... > > Ken D'Ambrosio > SysAdmin, > Cisco Systems, Inc. > > John560e@aol.com wrote: > > > CNN reported that, in the next two weeks, Congress is going to vote > > on allowing telephone companies to charge for Internet access. That > > means, every time we make a long distance e-mail we will receive a > > long distance charge. This could get very expensive. > > > > You can use the following website to complain to your Legislator. > > > > http://www.house.gov/writerep ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 17:54:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10985 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03044; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 17:52:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02846; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02833; Tue, 11 May 1999 17:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (165.87.194.229 -> out2.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 17:52:02 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip166-72-104-197.nj.us.ibm.net [166.72.104.197]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA22770; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:51:52 GMT Message-ID: <001901be9bf9$6a9404c0$c56848a6@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "Greg Langham" , References: Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:58:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Well like I wrote in a previous post... I use the same ISP's IBM and Bell Atlantic. Using the same connect numbers I get 48-51K on the Thinkpad modem at work while at home on one line the best I can get is 28K and the other 36K. So the lines are the biggest hinderence as is the modems ability to adapt to the noise. The ACP modems use IBM's 3780i DSP chip which is rather impressive. It apparently was designed as an office solution that can handle multiple lines and up to 128K connections. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak Cc: Greg Langham ; Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 3:46 AM Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > On Mon, 10 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > > > The modem does not perform as well as the USR modems. Some say that is > > due to many ISP's running hardware more compatible with USR modems. I > > disagree. > > This can't be true since I run a ISP with presence in Hawaii and > San Francisco and we have both Ascend Max 4048 and USR Total Control > Digital Terminal Servers with Digital Fiber circuits and it is known that > we have seen customers with USR Sportsters hit 54k up/33.6k down when all > other modems only get roughly around 40k/26.4k. The worst is the $12 > Windows LT (Lucent Technologies Modems) since those would connect but the > connection is really unreliable. > > > The IBM Modems are to 'strict' when it comes to line noise. I would think > > they can fix this in code??? > > Not quite, it all depends on whose data pump the modems are based > on. I remember IBM had Xjack based v90/X2 PCMCIA modems and those are > either made for IBM by 3Com or IBM just licensed it from 3Com. > > > I have no problems connecting at 49-51K with the built in modem at the > > office but at home can only get 28K on one line and 38K on the second line. > > The specs on the chipset used on the modem are impressive but what good is > > that if the code stinks.. > > Hmmm, interesting. I wonder who makes the modem chipset in the > modem since I know the EtherJet combo 100BT/56k modem combo is really > based on the Xircom. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 18:23:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11374 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04754; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 18:21:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04646; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04633; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.40 -> mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 18:21:39 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.13.93]) by mtiwmhc05.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990511222136.BGSL5092@770>; Tue, 11 May 1999 22:21:36 +0000 Message-ID: <3738AD77.6F2C@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:21:43 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Cottrell, Eric" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, "'Rob Bell'" Subject: Re: Contact Congress! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Someone at work contacted the office of Carolyn McCarthy, and they verified that there is such a bill!~ It appears that they are trying to sneak it past us! ottrell, Eric wrote: > > Hello, > > It looks like a hoax. I look for stuff like: > > The "in two weeks" is suspect as issues are usually known months in advance > and do not sneak up on you without someone affected knowing about it. > Bills have to be introduced, go through committees, etc. > > There are no URLs to view the story on CNN. > > There is no bill number included in the message. All the real messages I > have seen will mention a bill number such as HR-2312 or S-5064. The > reason is it is more effective to say to your congressperson that you are > for or against a bill than a more general "I am against internet taxes" > concept. > They will also mention the committee considering the bill and congresspeople > sponsoring the bill and/or on the committee. > > 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com > ---------- > From: Rob Bell [SMTP:rbell1@netscape.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 11:06 AM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: Contact Congress! > > You doubt the integrity of a message coming from an AOL address? > What _is_ > this world coming to when you can't trust things coming from AOL?? > > Seems like every 3rd piece of spam I get has an AOL address > attached. > > Rob > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 18:32:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11501 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05285; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 18:26:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05138; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05052; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 18:24:44 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-24.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.24]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA02991; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990511182932.0137b300@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:29:32 -0400 To: Vincent Poy From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19990511081139.0135e260@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:49 AM 5/11/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: Interesting. I haven't tried any machine with 128 megs before. >On my Desktop, I had 96 and then went straight to 180. the disk thrashing >and performance hits with the HD Virtual Memory Subsystem seems to be a >Microsoft Windows problem since Unix can use 64 megs and then like 256 >megs of swap and it does it effectively and efficiently without the >slowdowns one sees on Windows. Speaking about memory on the 770z, does >the stock 128 megs of ram come all on one memory module or is it true what >I read on PC Connection that 64 megs is soldered on board and a 64 meg >module is added. I wonder if there is anyway to buy the machine with 256 >megs of ram stock since if it was the later, I would buy 2 128 meg modules >and end up with a 64 meg that I can't do anything with, collecting dust. Yes, that is the standard stock configuration of the 770z. If you add a 128meg module, you get 256megs total without discarding the original 64meg IBM SO-DIMM that is preinstalled at the factory. If you want 320megs, you need to pull the 64meg part and install a 128meg part in its place. On the bright side, a lot of users are clamoring for 64meg upgrades, since 128meg upgrade are still so expensive (~$400). ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 18:37:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11579 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06003; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 18:30:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05840; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05661; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 18:28:59 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-24.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.24]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA05088; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990511183344.01374bd4@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:33:44 -0400 To: "Donald Mak" , "Vincent Poy" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Cc: "Greg Langham" , In-Reply-To: <001901be9bf9$6a9404c0$c56848a6@thinkpad> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: This was my original analysis. It isn't as if the Thinkpad modem is incapable of connecting at great rates. Instead, it is *extremely* finicky when it comes to line conditions. There have been reported problems by ISPs with Thinkpad modems connecting to their PRI boxes much more vast than other modem types. My USR 56k external and USR XJ5560 both connect high and my average transfer rates smack the Thinkpad's around. I ran a test a few months back using 4 different modems to two or three different ISPS from 4 different points of origin. Dig through the archives. I think it is still in there. The Thinkpad ACP device consistently connected low and then dropped lower even through my ISDN->POTS connect. At 05:58 PM 5/11/99 -0400, Donald Mak wrote: >Well like I wrote in a previous post... I use the same ISP's IBM and Bell >Atlantic. Using the same connect numbers I get 48-51K on the Thinkpad modem >at work while at home on one line the best I can get is 28K and the other >36K. So the lines are the biggest hinderence as is the modems ability to >adapt to the noise. > >The ACP modems use IBM's 3780i DSP chip which is rather impressive. It >apparently was designed as an office solution that can handle multiple lines >and up to 128K connections. > >Don >----- Original Message ----- >From: Vincent Poy >To: Donald Mak >Cc: Greg Langham ; >Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 3:46 AM >Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > >> On Mon, 10 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: >> >> > The modem does not perform as well as the USR modems. Some say that is >> > due to many ISP's running hardware more compatible with USR modems. I >> > disagree. >> >> This can't be true since I run a ISP with presence in Hawaii and >> San Francisco and we have both Ascend Max 4048 and USR Total Control >> Digital Terminal Servers with Digital Fiber circuits and it is known that >> we have seen customers with USR Sportsters hit 54k up/33.6k down when all >> other modems only get roughly around 40k/26.4k. The worst is the $12 >> Windows LT (Lucent Technologies Modems) since those would connect but the >> connection is really unreliable. >> >> > The IBM Modems are to 'strict' when it comes to line noise. I would >think >> > they can fix this in code??? >> >> Not quite, it all depends on whose data pump the modems are based >> on. I remember IBM had Xjack based v90/X2 PCMCIA modems and those are >> either made for IBM by 3Com or IBM just licensed it from 3Com. >> >> > I have no problems connecting at 49-51K with the built in modem at the >> > office but at home can only get 28K on one line and 38K on the second >line. >> > The specs on the chipset used on the modem are impressive but what good >is >> > that if the code stinks.. >> >> Hmmm, interesting. I wonder who makes the modem chipset in the >> modem since I know the EtherJet combo 100BT/56k modem combo is really >> based on the Xircom. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ >____ >> Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / >[__ ] >> GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | >__] ] >> Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | >__] ] >> HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin >/_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 11 20:40:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12737 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11172; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 May 1999 20:37:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10922; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10893; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:37:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 20:37:31 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a216.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.216]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA21814; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905120037.UAA21814@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a216.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.216] 209.198.80.216 Tue, 11 May 1999 20:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:58:48 -0400 To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <37389BB6.C373BB01@netzero.net> Subject: Re: Contact Congress! documented and offtopic X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: From: letoured@sover.net Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:58:48 -0400 To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu,thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <37389BB6.C373BB01@netzero.net> Subject: Re: Contact Congress! documented and offtopic >This is the relevant WebPage from the FCC a few minutes ago: > http://www.fcc.gov/isp.html > *************************** >I wish somebody will summarize it for all of us and to close this >off-topic thread with documentation about any *new* developments. I think this old news about what the telephone companies charge other telphoone companies. Not what users are to be charged. The dates are all in 1997. And this is the time it was an issue. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 00:48:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA14895 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20313; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 00:46:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20134; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20121; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 00:45:55 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-199.usc.edu [128.125.223.199]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA13061 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990511213510.032e8400@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:44:51 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: When did IBM Warranties get so sloppy? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I'm an unhappy camper at the moment... Item 1: After 11 months of ownership, the battery to my ThinkPad 600 is all but kaput. It lasts for about 30 minutes, and that's it. Luckily, that's less than a year, so the battery is still under warranty (1 year on batteries, 3 on the machine). So I called EZ Serve and asked them to take care of it. To their credit, they're sending me a battery. Problem: That was over a week ago. Checked today and found that they don't expect me to receive it until Friday. That's just a tad shy of 2 full calendar weeks. Item 2: I'm working along tonight and keep getting a beep--the AC connector is suddenly flaky, sometimes providing power, sometimes not. I find that manipulating the AC wire near the barrel connector does the trick, but its *really* touchy. I call EZ Serve again and they say they'll send me a new AC adapter...in 7 to 10 days. What's up with this 1 to 2 weeks crap? The last time I had to deal with any warranty issues, it was with my 750C, which was about 5 years ago. I had a battery crap out on me too early and they promptly sent me another one--I don't recall whether it was overnight or 2nd day, but *certainly* wasn't a 1 to 2 week wait. For crying out loud, the 600's are high-end machines, certainly not the 300 series (no offense intended to all you 300 series owners--but your machines cost 1/2 as much and aren't considered the top-end, nor do they carry the extensive warranty that the higher machines do). We use these things for *work*. I have to give two presentations using this computer over the next couple of days and by damn, if the AC adapter craps out *and* the battery goes dead, I'm up sh*t creek--definitely screwed out of lost sales. Now if these boneheads overnighted me an adapter, I'd be fine, but Noooo... When did IBM become such cheap bastards? Should I start looking at Toshibas next time, or are they not any better? When I pay this kind of money for a laptop with a brand like IBM behind it, I expect *support* and I expect it promptly. Obviously instantaneous is impossible, but waiting 1 to 2 weeks for a simple replacement part is *way* too long. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 02:12:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA15483 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22872; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 02:10:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22744; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22731; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (24.113.61.37 -> cr634166-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 02:10:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (devel@localhost) by vip.psychonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA01265 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 23:10:39 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:10:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 755ce now has a AMD cpu and works! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, Sometime ago I posted a wanted for a CPU card for my Thinkpad755ce, I didn't get responses with the exact CPU and I didn't wanna pay the new price from IBM as the laptop just isn't worth that much. It was suggested I send the laptop away to have the CPU upgraded to the AMD 5x86 133Mhz processor, assuming it was really the processr that was bad I'd not only have a working machine again but a faster one, however that seems to cost more then the laptop is worth. A few days later a friend mentioned he had some of the Kingston upgrade boards for desktop 486's, turns out those boards use the AMD chip soldered to a board with regulators and a fan. He gave me one to hack with so I grabbed the doc's >from both the Intel and the AMD site, the AMD seems pretty much a drop in replacement so today I went ahead and desoldered the Intel chip and soldered in the AMD, only mod was to bridge pins 10&11 to get the x4 multiplier speed. The machine has worked flawlessly since, how cool is that!!! For those of you who wonder how spending so much time soldering a different CPU in could be worth it, it took me 20 minutes to remove the CPU off the AMD board, clean the pins set it aside, then remove the Intel cpu off the IBM board and then the solder the AMD cpu to the IBM board - yeah I've done this sort of rework before. If anyone wants more detail just let me know. cheers! Steve From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 02:31:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA15630 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23796; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 02:30:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23706; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23690; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 02:30:33 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl8-12.gate.net [199.227.131.203]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA338774; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:31:49 -0400 Message-ID: <37391FFE.6682417@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 02:30:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: When did IBM Warranties get so sloppy? References: <4.1.19990511213510.032e8400@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Randy.. IBM tends to be very conservative when it comes to replacing perhiperals.. (ac adapter and the like).. while they say 2 weeks, often the part will arrive in a day or two.. also, the battery MIGHT be part of the ac adapter problem.. but i think you would know the difference if it were not getting a charge rather than not keeping the charge.. also, i think is is unlikely to be the ac adapter, but more LIKELY is the socket.. if so, the machine will need to be sent in.. to check, look inside the barrell connector and verify that the inner connector is intact.. (it appears to be a "U" shaped wire) Randal Whittle wrote: > I'm an unhappy camper at the moment... > > Item 1: After 11 months of ownership, the battery to my ThinkPad 600 is > all but kaput. It lasts for about 30 minutes, and that's it. Luckily, > that's less than a year, so the battery is still under warranty (1 year on > batteries, 3 on the machine). So I called EZ Serve and asked them to take > care of it. To their credit, they're sending me a battery. > > Problem: That was over a week ago. Checked today and found that they > don't expect me to receive it until Friday. That's just a tad shy of 2 > full calendar weeks. > > Item 2: I'm working along tonight and keep getting a beep--the AC > connector is suddenly flaky, sometimes providing power, sometimes not. I > find that manipulating the AC wire near the barrel connector does the > trick, but its *really* touchy. I call EZ Serve again and they say they'll > send me a new AC adapter...in 7 to 10 days. > > What's up with this 1 to 2 weeks crap? The last time I had to deal with > any warranty issues, it was with my 750C, which was about 5 years ago. I > had a battery crap out on me too early and they promptly sent me another > one--I don't recall whether it was overnight or 2nd day, but *certainly* > wasn't a 1 to 2 week wait. > > For crying out loud, the 600's are high-end machines, certainly not the > 300 series (no offense intended to all you 300 series owners--but your > machines cost 1/2 as much and aren't considered the top-end, nor do they > carry the extensive warranty that the higher machines do). We use these > things for *work*. I have to give two presentations using this computer > over the next couple of days and by damn, if the AC adapter craps out *and* > the battery goes dead, I'm up sh*t creek--definitely screwed out of lost > sales. Now if these boneheads overnighted me an adapter, I'd be fine, but > Noooo... > > When did IBM become such cheap bastards? > > Should I start looking at Toshibas next time, or are they not any better? > > When I pay this kind of money for a laptop with a brand like IBM behind > it, I expect *support* and I expect it promptly. Obviously instantaneous > is impossible, but waiting 1 to 2 weeks for a simple replacement part is > *way* too long. > > - Randy Whittle -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 02:52:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA15728 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24861; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 02:49:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24685; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24671; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 02:49:20 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-72.gate.net [199.227.20.199]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA187830; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:49:20 -0400 Message-ID: <37392419.2AF9972C@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 02:47:53 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pat Presidente CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Icons References: <000601be9b82$87b9b120$28830cce@CRCN.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Pat.. what kind of icons ? Pat Presidente wrote: > I used to have some Thinkpad icons that I believe were pointed to in this > list at some point. Does anyone have the URL where they can be found? > > Thanks in advance > Pat > > ========================================================================= > Pat Presidente School District 72 (Campbell River) > District Technology Resource Teacher 425 Pinecrest Road > Email: pat.presidente@sd72.bc.ca Campbell River, BC V9W 3P2 > Ph.(250) 830-2353 Fx.(250) 830-2329 Your door to the future > ========================================================================= > Well you know I could have me a million more friends > And all I'd have to lose is my point of view - John Prine > ========================================================================= -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 02:57:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA15757 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25280; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 02:54:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25077; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25043; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 02:54:30 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-199.usc.edu [128.125.223.199]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id XAA02415; Tue, 11 May 1999 23:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990511234449.032e6bb0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:52:30 -0700 To: Bill Morrow , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: When did IBM Warranties get so sloppy? In-Reply-To: <37391FFE.6682417@icanect.net> References: <4.1.19990511213510.032e8400@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:30 AM 5/12/99 -0400, you wrote: >IBM tends to be very conservative when it comes to replacing perhiperals.. (ac >adapter and the like).. >while they say 2 weeks, often the part will arrive in a day or two.. I got confirmation that they expect the battery to arrive to me on Friday. They claim the delay is that its held up in customs (battery is coming >from Mexico). Whatever the reason, I called on Monday morning of last week and expect to get it on Friday of this week. 9 working days, 11 calendar days. >also, the battery MIGHT be part of the ac adapter problem.. but i think you >would >know the difference if it were not getting a charge rather than not keeping the >charge.. When the "beep" occurs and the pop-up comes up (and I also watch the fuel guage software applet), and it shows me I've switched from AC to Battery, yeah, I know that means I'm not getting AC juice. Its the same behavior as if I had unplugged it. And upon wiggling the wire just right, the same behavior as plugging it back in. The battery is acting like a UPS when the AC gets get off, but since my battery is weak and I have to use my 600 for two presentations in the next couple of days, this is of no small concern to me. >also, i think is is unlikely to be the ac adapter, but more LIKELY is the >socket.. When I wiggle the connector itself, no change. When I re-position the wire that goes into the barrel connector, that's what fixes (or un-does the fix) the problem. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 04:28:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA16221 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 04:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29938; Wed, 12 May 1999 04:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 04:26:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29771; Wed, 12 May 1999 04:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29758; Wed, 12 May 1999 04:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (195.174.27.3 -> home.egenet.com.tr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 04:26:28 -0400 Received: from tk-os2.egenet.com.tr (tk-os2.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.7]) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA21043; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:28:10 +0400 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199905120728.LAA21043@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:26:10 -0100 (TUR) Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990511213510.032e8400@rcf.usc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: When did IBM Warranties get so sloppy? List-Unsubscribe: If I were you, Id be grateful that you dont have to ship the "defective unit" back to them, have them examine it (ie, toss it to a corner), and then ship you a new battery and a power supply, wasting more time and money. Btw, copper wires do break with use; so it's normal for the power supply cord to fail over time. Same thing with PCMCIA ethernet card's adaptor cable -- be very NICE to that cable; you may end up having to buy a new PCMCIA ethernet card if the wires inside that cable break. (On many ethernet cards, the cable is not under warrantee, and is not replacable) -turgut -- turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. Find-It! Web Search Engine: http://find.egenet.com.tr http://bbsturk.bbs.tr Windows Error 004: Erronious error. Nothing wrong. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 08:35:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA17451 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15540; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 08:31:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15368; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15354; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 08:31:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA05213; Wed, 12 May 1999 05:31:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 05:31:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: Greg Langham , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: <001901be9bf9$6a9404c0$c56848a6@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 11 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > Well like I wrote in a previous post... I use the same ISP's IBM and Bell > Atlantic. Using the same connect numbers I get 48-51K on the Thinkpad modem > at work while at home on one line the best I can get is 28K and the other > 36K. So the lines are the biggest hinderence as is the modems ability to > adapt to the noise. Connect rates and the rates that you get during the connection aren't really related since modems are speed adaptive to line conditions. Some modems do handle noise better than others. USR is one of them. I remember in the old days and even now, the Telebit Packetized Ensemble Protocol Modems can handle any noise without problems. > The ACP modems use IBM's 3780i DSP chip which is rather impressive. It > apparently was designed as an office solution that can handle multiple lines > and up to 128K connections. Interesting but what other 56k protocol does it support besides v90? Does it go back to K56Flex or does it go back to X2? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vincent Poy > To: Donald Mak > Cc: Greg Langham ; > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 3:46 AM > Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > > > On Mon, 10 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > > > > > The modem does not perform as well as the USR modems. Some say that is > > > due to many ISP's running hardware more compatible with USR modems. I > > > disagree. > > > > This can't be true since I run a ISP with presence in Hawaii and > > San Francisco and we have both Ascend Max 4048 and USR Total Control > > Digital Terminal Servers with Digital Fiber circuits and it is known that > > we have seen customers with USR Sportsters hit 54k up/33.6k down when all > > other modems only get roughly around 40k/26.4k. The worst is the $12 > > Windows LT (Lucent Technologies Modems) since those would connect but the > > connection is really unreliable. > > > > > The IBM Modems are to 'strict' when it comes to line noise. I would > think > > > they can fix this in code??? > > > > Not quite, it all depends on whose data pump the modems are based > > on. I remember IBM had Xjack based v90/X2 PCMCIA modems and those are > > either made for IBM by 3Com or IBM just licensed it from 3Com. > > > > > I have no problems connecting at 49-51K with the built in modem at the > > > office but at home can only get 28K on one line and 38K on the second > line. > > > The specs on the chipset used on the modem are impressive but what good > is > > > that if the code stinks.. > > > > Hmmm, interesting. I wonder who makes the modem chipset in the > > modem since I know the EtherJet combo 100BT/56k modem combo is really > > based on the Xircom. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 08:35:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA17457 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15898; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 08:34:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15756; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15716; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (131.173.17.11 -> deimos.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 08:34:30 -0400 Received: from leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (dia29.modem.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.251.221]) by deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15792 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:34:24 +0200 Received: from localhost (krumeich@localhost) by leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA01959 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:20:08 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: leon.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de: krumeich owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:20:08 +0200 (MEST) From: Alexander Krumeich Reply-To: Alexander Krumeich To: ThinkPad List Subject: Clocks in the TP600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, very recently, I started using hibernation instead of suspending to ``switch off'' my Linux-running TP600 (2645-210) at night or during breaks. I hope that this is less strainful on the battery than suspending (and recharging). I want my second battery to last a bit longer than the 9 months of the first battery. So far, so good. Now I noticed that both hardware and system clock of the machine are late. They lose a relatively large amount of time each day, approximately 20 minutes a day. Fortunately, the ``hwclock'' command in Linux helps me to get the correct time again. Does anybody have an explanation for this behaviour? Thanks, Alexander -- Alexander Krumeich http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ Never trust a HAL 9000 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 08:38:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA17474 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16272; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 08:36:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16041; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16028; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 08:36:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA05243; Wed, 12 May 1999 05:35:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 05:35:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Mark Bell cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990511182932.0137b300@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 11 May 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > At 10:49 AM 5/11/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > Interesting. I haven't tried any machine with 128 megs before. > >On my Desktop, I had 96 and then went straight to 180. the disk thrashing > >and performance hits with the HD Virtual Memory Subsystem seems to be a > >Microsoft Windows problem since Unix can use 64 megs and then like 256 > >megs of swap and it does it effectively and efficiently without the > >slowdowns one sees on Windows. Speaking about memory on the 770z, does > >the stock 128 megs of ram come all on one memory module or is it true what > >I read on PC Connection that 64 megs is soldered on board and a 64 meg > >module is added. I wonder if there is anyway to buy the machine with 256 > >megs of ram stock since if it was the later, I would buy 2 128 meg modules > >and end up with a 64 meg that I can't do anything with, collecting dust. > > Yes, that is the standard stock configuration of the 770z. If you add a > 128meg module, you get 256megs total without discarding the original > 64meg IBM SO-DIMM that is preinstalled at the factory. If you want 320megs, > you need to pull the 64meg part and install a 128meg part in its place. > On the bright side, a lot of users are clamoring for 64meg upgrades, since > 128meg upgrade are still so expensive (~$400). I was looking at one place and 128 meg was like $800 for Viking memory and I was going, wow... Anyways, do you have the 9549-8AU 770Z? I was wondering if you have video input and outputs on the left side of the machine towards the front since it seems like I have called CDW, PC Zone and PC Connection and they are all not sure if that machine comes with the IBM DVD Enhanced Video Adapter or not since I can see it as a $230 option. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 08:42:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA17521 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17040; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 08:40:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16745; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16669; Wed, 12 May 1999 08:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 08:39:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA05256; Wed, 12 May 1999 05:37:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 05:37:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Mark Bell cc: Donald Mak , Greg Langham , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990511183344.01374bd4@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 11 May 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > This was my original analysis. It isn't as if the Thinkpad modem is > incapable of connecting at great rates. Instead, it is *extremely* > finicky when it comes to line conditions. There have been reported > problems by ISPs with Thinkpad modems connecting to their PRI boxes > much more vast than other modem types. My USR 56k external and USR > XJ5560 both connect high and my average transfer rates smack the > Thinkpad's around. I ran a test a few months back using 4 different > modems to two or three different ISPS from 4 different points of > origin. Dig through the archives. I think it is still in there. The > Thinkpad ACP device consistently connected low and then dropped lower > even through my ISDN->POTS connect. I guess one thing is that USR has the Adaptive Rate Negotiation technology which other modems don't have. On the ISP I run, it seems like only people with LT Winmodems are having problems. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > At 05:58 PM 5/11/99 -0400, Donald Mak wrote: > >Well like I wrote in a previous post... I use the same ISP's IBM and Bell > >Atlantic. Using the same connect numbers I get 48-51K on the Thinkpad modem > >at work while at home on one line the best I can get is 28K and the other > >36K. So the lines are the biggest hinderence as is the modems ability to > >adapt to the noise. > > > >The ACP modems use IBM's 3780i DSP chip which is rather impressive. It > >apparently was designed as an office solution that can handle multiple lines > >and up to 128K connections. > > > >Don > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Vincent Poy > >To: Donald Mak > >Cc: Greg Langham ; > >Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 3:46 AM > >Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > > > > >> On Mon, 10 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > >> > >> > The modem does not perform as well as the USR modems. Some say that is > >> > due to many ISP's running hardware more compatible with USR modems. I > >> > disagree. > >> > >> This can't be true since I run a ISP with presence in Hawaii and > >> San Francisco and we have both Ascend Max 4048 and USR Total Control > >> Digital Terminal Servers with Digital Fiber circuits and it is known that > >> we have seen customers with USR Sportsters hit 54k up/33.6k down when all > >> other modems only get roughly around 40k/26.4k. The worst is the $12 > >> Windows LT (Lucent Technologies Modems) since those would connect but the > >> connection is really unreliable. > >> > >> > The IBM Modems are to 'strict' when it comes to line noise. I would > >think > >> > they can fix this in code??? > >> > >> Not quite, it all depends on whose data pump the modems are based > >> on. I remember IBM had Xjack based v90/X2 PCMCIA modems and those are > >> either made for IBM by 3Com or IBM just licensed it from 3Com. > >> > >> > I have no problems connecting at 49-51K with the built in modem at the > >> > office but at home can only get 28K on one line and 38K on the second > >line. > >> > The specs on the chipset used on the modem are impressive but what good > >is > >> > that if the code stinks.. > >> > >> Hmmm, interesting. I wonder who makes the modem chipset in the > >> modem since I know the EtherJet combo 100BT/56k modem combo is really > >> based on the Xircom. > >> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > >____ > >> Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > >[__ ] > >> GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > >__] ] > >> Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > >__] ] > >> HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > >/_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 11:10:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA19040 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25029; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 11:07:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24773; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24697; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (207.69.200.64 -> smtp4.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 11:07:24 -0400 Received: from WilliamArmstrong (user-2ivea10.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.40.32]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19457; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "William Armstrong" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:07:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I have 9549-8AU 770Z from PC CONNECTION and it does not come with Video Adapter. There are no outputs or inputs for Video on side. DVD's play nicely, although I have only watched a few. They play as good as or better than my TP770 with Video Adapter. Regards, Bill WILLIAM ARMSTRONG LIGHTING DESIGN 666 West End Avenue New York, NY 10025 Tel 212 579 0698 Fax 212 579 0699 Mobile 917 913 3250 warmstrong@waldinc.com -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 8:35 AM To: Mark Bell Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z On Tue, 11 May 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > At 10:49 AM 5/11/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > Interesting. I haven't tried any machine with 128 megs before. > >On my Desktop, I had 96 and then went straight to 180. the disk thrashing > >and performance hits with the HD Virtual Memory Subsystem seems to be a > >Microsoft Windows problem since Unix can use 64 megs and then like 256 > >megs of swap and it does it effectively and efficiently without the > >slowdowns one sees on Windows. Speaking about memory on the 770z, does > >the stock 128 megs of ram come all on one memory module or is it true what > >I read on PC Connection that 64 megs is soldered on board and a 64 meg > >module is added. I wonder if there is anyway to buy the machine with 256 > >megs of ram stock since if it was the later, I would buy 2 128 meg modules > >and end up with a 64 meg that I can't do anything with, collecting dust. > > Yes, that is the standard stock configuration of the 770z. If you add a > 128meg module, you get 256megs total without discarding the original > 64meg IBM SO-DIMM that is preinstalled at the factory. If you want 320megs, > you need to pull the 64meg part and install a 128meg part in its place. > On the bright side, a lot of users are clamoring for 64meg upgrades, since > 128meg upgrade are still so expensive (~$400). I was looking at one place and 128 meg was like $800 for Viking memory and I was going, wow... Anyways, do you have the 9549-8AU 770Z? I was wondering if you have video input and outputs on the left side of the machine towards the front since it seems like I have called CDW, PC Zone and PC Connection and they are all not sure if that machine comes with the IBM DVD Enhanced Video Adapter or not since I can see it as a $230 option. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 11:46:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA19618 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29369; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 11:39:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29172; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29135; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de (134.100.96.1 -> plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 11:39:03 -0400 Received: from uke.uni-hamburg.de (aiken.uke.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.96.161]) by plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18644; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:40:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3739A07B.7B5BE9F@uke.uni-hamburg.de> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:38:35 +0200 From: Thorsten Jaekel Reply-To: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de Organization: UKE Hamburg X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: how to get trackpoint icon in tray References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id LAA29369 Hello trackies, what=B4s the deal with the trackpoint icon in the Win (TP 600) system tray? I have a TP 560X (Win 95 OSR2), and it has never had a trackpoint icon in the tray. This thread made me wonder what a trackpoint specific driver might do. My trackpoint works with the standard Win95 mouse driver. This reminds me of a (related?) question: Does anyone know how to obtain a Win95/98 mouse/trackpoint driver that works like the MS mouse ver 9.x 16 bit (DOS and Win3.1) mouse driver/manager, i. e. has a "ballistic"* acceleration feature? I would love to have this on my 560. The ver 9.01 (if I remember correctly) worked very nicely on my old TP 750 with DOS and WfW 3.11, but it screws up Win95 on the desktop that I use at work - I didn=B4t even try it on th= e 560.=20 Thorsten *The more pressure you exert on the trackpoint, the faster/further the mouse pointer will move on the screen; or in mouse terms: if you move the mouse slowly over a certain distance, the mouse pointer will creep just an inch, if you move it fast over the same distance, the mouse pointer will move much further, maybe even further than from one edge of the screen to the opposite. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 12:38:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA20271 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 12:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27295; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 11:19:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27189; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27165; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 11:19:44 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl8-44.gate.net [199.227.131.235]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA324118; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:20:55 -0400 Message-ID: <37399C00.48029EDB@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:19:28 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: When did IBM Warranties get so sloppy? References: <4.1.19990511213510.032e8400@rcf.usc.edu> <4.1.19990511234449.032e6bb0@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Randy... you can take the connector apart and resolder the cable (its a co-axial cable) until you get the new ac adapter.. (in the past, ibm has not wanted the old ac adapter back) if you get in a bind, i'll send you one and you can either return it or send me the new one when it gets there.. Randal Whittle wrote: > At 02:30 AM 5/12/99 -0400, you wrote: > >IBM tends to be very conservative when it comes to replacing perhiperals.. (ac > >adapter and the like).. > >while they say 2 weeks, often the part will arrive in a day or two.. > > I got confirmation that they expect the battery to arrive to me on Friday. > They claim the delay is that its held up in customs (battery is coming > from Mexico). Whatever the reason, I called on Monday morning of last week > and expect to get it on Friday of this week. 9 working days, 11 calendar days. > > >also, the battery MIGHT be part of the ac adapter problem.. but i think you > >would > >know the difference if it were not getting a charge rather than not > keeping the > >charge.. > > When the "beep" occurs and the pop-up comes up (and I also watch the fuel > guage software applet), and it shows me I've switched from AC to Battery, > yeah, I know that means I'm not getting AC juice. Its the same behavior as > if I had unplugged it. And upon wiggling the wire just right, the same > behavior as plugging it back in. The battery is acting like a UPS when the > AC gets get off, but since my battery is weak and I have to use my 600 for > two presentations in the next couple of days, this is of no small concern > to me. > > >also, i think is is unlikely to be the ac adapter, but more LIKELY is the > >socket.. > > When I wiggle the connector itself, no change. When I re-position the > wire that goes into the barrel connector, that's what fixes (or un-does the > fix) the problem. > > - Randy Whittle -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 12:40:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA20295 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 12:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04247; Wed, 12 May 1999 12:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 12:33:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04110; Wed, 12 May 1999 12:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04089; Wed, 12 May 1999 12:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 12:33:40 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-182.usc.edu [128.125.223.182]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA01608; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990512092906.01cd3760@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:32:29 -0700 To: Bill Morrow , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: When did IBM Warranties get so sloppy? In-Reply-To: <37399C00.48029EDB@icanect.net> References: <4.1.19990511213510.032e8400@rcf.usc.edu> <4.1.19990511234449.032e6bb0@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:19 AM 5/12/99 -0400, you wrote: >Randy... >you can take the connector apart and resolder the cable (its a co-axial >cable) until >you get the new ac adapter.. >(in the past, ibm has not wanted the old ac adapter back) They want this one back. Same with the battery. I know with my 750C 5 years ago, they sent me a new battery and never asked for the old one back (not that a dead battery did me any good anyway). >if you get in a bind, i'll send you one and you can either return it or send >me the >new one when it gets there.. Thanks Bill, but I think I'll manage (besides, the first of 2 presentations is tonight and at best, if you overnighted something, I'd get it tomorrow). I'm thinking I might buy a spare AC adapter anyway. Saw what appeared to be a really neat thin & light one on PORT's web page (when we had the discussion on computer cases). Anyone have any experience with it? - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 14:35:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21591 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13862; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 14:17:36 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12340; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 14:17:28 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id OAA15616 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01045; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 May 1999 15:43:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24780 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 15:43:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:43:31 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: TP List Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <000201be9663$5852c260$5712efc7@ssh.servicemetrics.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 4 May 1999, Steve Hultquist wrote: > > The Rolls Royce version of this is the new Computer Organizer bags by Tumi > (http://www.tumi.com). Tumi licensed the Port technology, and use the new > version that actually has *two* slings. I have dropped a Thinkpad from 30" > inside my old Thinkpad/Port case without a problem. I have dropped Thinkpads from 30" without a case without a problem. The only time something broke was when I dropped my 701 onto a tile floor in the bathroom. Otherwise, I've dropped my 701 and 750 and 560 onto hardwood floors and carpets (unintentionally) without damage (though it crashed Linux once and Windows once). -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 14:35:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21586 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13855; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 14:23:19 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12571; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 14:20:31 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id OAA15657 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11749; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 14:10:15 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.238]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990512180848.DVVA5917@dts-jl> for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:08:48 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990512123123.00c6acb0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:31:23 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: References: <003701be9b36$5645b220$ce276420@thinkpad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:46 AM 5/11/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > Not quite, it all depends on whose data pump the modems are based >on. I remember IBM had Xjack based v90/X2 PCMCIA modems and those are >either made for IBM by 3Com or IBM just licensed it from 3Com. > They were made for IBM by 3Com. Drivers and flash upgrades were interchangable between the ones with 3Com on the label and the ones clad in basic black. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 14:35:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21597 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13860; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 14:19:14 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12471; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 14:19:13 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id OAA15641 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10327; Wed, 12 May 1999 13:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (212.126.144.6 -> scrabble.freeuk.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 13:44:54 -0400 Received: from [212.126.145.113] (helo=du-001-0113.freeuk.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10hd3n-00047c-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:44:47 +0000 From: nickdixon@bigfoot.com (Nick Dixon) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: USB joypad help Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:44:03 GMT Reply-To: nickdixon@bigfoot.com Message-ID: <3740bdd6.7153004@relay.freeuk.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Hi there, I tried to install a USB joypad today on my Thinkpad 380XD (I have USB support on my version of Windows 95). I plugged in the joypad and Windows 95 immediately detected the hardware (It said "Windows is building a driver database"). I followed the instructions and started to install the driver from the floppy. Unfortunately, I then clicked the "finish" tab by accident. At this point, everything stopped and I was back to square 1. No Joypad installed.... I re-started Windows to see if it would auto-detect it again - but nothing! I tried and tried but it will not detect the joypad. Can anyone offer any help here, as I am desperate to use the Joypad! Many thanks. Nick -- ------------------------------------------------ THE DAILY DAMON: http://www.thedailydamon.clara.net Damon Hill...news...gossip...interviews...results ------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 14:39:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21641 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13850; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 14:19:49 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12391; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 14:17:51 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id OAA15626 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zaz.kom.auc.dk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17379; Tue, 11 May 1999 08:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zaz.kom.auc.dk (130.225.51.10 -> zaz.kom.auc.dk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 May 1999 08:42:21 -0400 Received: from zastava.kom.auc.dk ([130.225.51.58] ident=nielsen) by zaz.kom.auc.dk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 10hBrU-0000TQ-00 for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:42:16 +0200 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:42:14 +0200 (MET DST) From: Anders Moeller Nielsen Reply-To: nielsen@kom.auc.dk To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux on a 365X Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi I'm running Redhat 6.0 on a Thinkpad 365X and it works great. But with one exception, every time I start XFree86 I must press Fn+F7 in order to get an image on the screen. Has anybody found a way to avoid this ? Your Anders. <> Teamwork is essential; it gives the enemy other people to shoot at. <> ||------------------------------------------------------------------------|| || Anders Moeller Nielsen || E-mail: nielsen@kom.auc.dk || <> Aalborg University <> URL: www.kom.auc.dk/~nielsen/ <> From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 14:58:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21867 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15944; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 14:42:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14748; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14734; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 14:42:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01154; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:42:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:42:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Jane Loyless cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990512123123.00c6acb0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 12 May 1999, Jane Loyless wrote: > > Not quite, it all depends on whose data pump the modems are based > >on. I remember IBM had Xjack based v90/X2 PCMCIA modems and those are > >either made for IBM by 3Com or IBM just licensed it from 3Com. > > They were made for IBM by 3Com. Drivers and flash upgrades were > interchangable between the ones with 3Com on the label and the ones clad in > basic black. I wonder who makes the internal modems for the 770Z? I'm still amazed at how PCMCIA modems being so small can perform better than some desktop modems. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 15:14:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22061 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16692; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 14:55:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15777; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15752; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 14:54:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01208; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:54:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: William Armstrong cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 12 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: I called PC Connection this morning and they told me it does come with the Video Adapter. I guess I'll try to pick up that model and see how my luck goes. If it comes with it, fine. If it doesn't, I'll see how well the machine performs without it and then order one later. What price did you pay for the 9549-8AU from them since CDW and PCZone has it for $4698 which is $101 less than PC Connection. Since PC Connection guarantees low prices. The salesperson told me that they will call me back to see if the buyer person can approve the discount. Also, I was wondering if the Targus Universal Air Case will fit the 770Z or not since they told me it won't but I have a Port case here that IBM gave for free for the 385ED and then I bought the Targus case so just wanted to be on the safe side. They recommended the ThinkPad 770 Deluxe Case from Port though. I just wonder if that case is lightweight or not and hopefully it's not as thick as the targus. I'm trying to decide between going with CDW or PC Connection since it seems PCZone won't have the machines until 5/17/99 while CDW will only let you buy through the so-called Account Manager and PC Connection seems to answer questions except the person I talked to today said the Enhanced DVD Video Adapter is built in on the 770Z and optional on the 770X. Ofcourse, the brochures on IBM's website says differently. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > I have 9549-8AU 770Z from PC CONNECTION and it does not come with Video > Adapter. There are no outputs or inputs for Video on side. DVD's play > nicely, although I have only watched a few. They play as good as or better > than my TP770 with Video Adapter. > > Regards, > Bill > > WILLIAM ARMSTRONG LIGHTING DESIGN > 666 West End Avenue > New York, NY 10025 > Tel 212 579 0698 > Fax 212 579 0699 > Mobile 917 913 3250 > warmstrong@waldinc.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 8:35 AM > To: Mark Bell > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > On Tue, 11 May 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > > > At 10:49 AM 5/11/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > > Interesting. I haven't tried any machine with 128 megs before. > > >On my Desktop, I had 96 and then went straight to 180. the disk > thrashing > > >and performance hits with the HD Virtual Memory Subsystem seems to be a > > >Microsoft Windows problem since Unix can use 64 megs and then like 256 > > >megs of swap and it does it effectively and efficiently without the > > >slowdowns one sees on Windows. Speaking about memory on the 770z, does > > >the stock 128 megs of ram come all on one memory module or is it true > what > > >I read on PC Connection that 64 megs is soldered on board and a 64 meg > > >module is added. I wonder if there is anyway to buy the machine with 256 > > >megs of ram stock since if it was the later, I would buy 2 128 meg > modules > > >and end up with a 64 meg that I can't do anything with, collecting dust. > > > > Yes, that is the standard stock configuration of the 770z. If you add a > > 128meg module, you get 256megs total without discarding the original > > 64meg IBM SO-DIMM that is preinstalled at the factory. If you want > 320megs, > > you need to pull the 64meg part and install a 128meg part in its place. > > On the bright side, a lot of users are clamoring for 64meg upgrades, since > > 128meg upgrade are still so expensive (~$400). > > I was looking at one place and 128 meg was like $800 for Viking > memory and I was going, wow... Anyways, do you have the 9549-8AU 770Z? I > was wondering if you have video input and outputs on the left side of the > machine towards the front since it seems like I have called CDW, PC Zone > and PC Connection and they are all not sure if that machine comes with the > IBM DVD Enhanced Video Adapter or not since I can see it as a $230 option. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 15:33:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22295 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18924; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 15:26:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18041; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18026; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905121926.PAA18026@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (128.95.79.96 -> tokeru.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 15:26:05 -0400 Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Thu, 11 May 1989 12:23:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "John Kim" , "TP List" Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:26:14 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases List-Unsubscribe: Geez, I'll bet your wife doesn't let you do the dishes! :) On Tue, 4 May 1999 15:43:31 -0400 (EDT), John Kim wrote: >I have dropped Thinkpads from 30" without a case without a >problem. The only time something broke was when I dropped my >701 onto a tile floor in the bathroom. Otherwise, I've >dropped my 701 and 750 and 560 onto hardwood floors and >carpets (unintentionally) without damage (though it crashed >Linux once and Windows once). ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 15:34:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22310 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18923; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 15:18:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17552; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17525; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 15:18:26 -0400 Received: by mail.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 12 May 1999 14:20:37 -0500 Message-ID: <7553C6C478C1D011999300A024D2D2957E3BCF@mail.ubh.com> From: Greg Langham To: "'Vincent Poy'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:20:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Vincent - The 9549-8AU 770Z does _NOT_ come with the enhanced adapter. (At least the three that we have didn't.) I ordered the enhanced adapter as a separate option. The Port 770 Case is fairly bulky, but I like mine because it eliminates the need for a briefcase or something similar. Greg Langham -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 1:55 PM To: William Armstrong Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z On Wed, 12 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: I called PC Connection this morning and they told me it does come with the Video Adapter. I guess I'll try to pick up that model and see how my luck goes. If it comes with it, fine. If it doesn't, I'll see how well the machine performs without it and then order one later. What price did you pay for the 9549-8AU from them since CDW and PCZone has it for $4698 which is $101 less than PC Connection. Since PC Connection guarantees low prices. The salesperson told me that they will call me back to see if the buyer person can approve the discount. Also, I was wondering if the Targus Universal Air Case will fit the 770Z or not since they told me it won't but I have a Port case here that IBM gave for free for the 385ED and then I bought the Targus case so just wanted to be on the safe side. They recommended the ThinkPad 770 Deluxe Case from Port though. I just wonder if that case is lightweight or not and hopefully it's not as thick as the targus. I'm trying to decide between going with CDW or PC Connection since it seems PCZone won't have the machines until 5/17/99 while CDW will only let you buy through the so-called Account Manager and PC Connection seems to answer questions except the person I talked to today said the Enhanced DVD Video Adapter is built in on the 770Z and optional on the 770X. Ofcourse, the brochures on IBM's website says differently. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > I have 9549-8AU 770Z from PC CONNECTION and it does not come with Video > Adapter. There are no outputs or inputs for Video on side. DVD's play > nicely, although I have only watched a few. They play as good as or better > than my TP770 with Video Adapter. > > Regards, > Bill > > WILLIAM ARMSTRONG LIGHTING DESIGN > 666 West End Avenue > New York, NY 10025 > Tel 212 579 0698 > Fax 212 579 0699 > Mobile 917 913 3250 > warmstrong@waldinc.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 8:35 AM > To: Mark Bell > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > On Tue, 11 May 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > > > At 10:49 AM 5/11/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > > Interesting. I haven't tried any machine with 128 megs before. > > >On my Desktop, I had 96 and then went straight to 180. the disk > thrashing > > >and performance hits with the HD Virtual Memory Subsystem seems to be a > > >Microsoft Windows problem since Unix can use 64 megs and then like 256 > > >megs of swap and it does it effectively and efficiently without the > > >slowdowns one sees on Windows. Speaking about memory on the 770z, does > > >the stock 128 megs of ram come all on one memory module or is it true > what > > >I read on PC Connection that 64 megs is soldered on board and a 64 meg > > >module is added. I wonder if there is anyway to buy the machine with 256 > > >megs of ram stock since if it was the later, I would buy 2 128 meg > modules > > >and end up with a 64 meg that I can't do anything with, collecting dust. > > > > Yes, that is the standard stock configuration of the 770z. If you add a > > 128meg module, you get 256megs total without discarding the original > > 64meg IBM SO-DIMM that is preinstalled at the factory. If you want > 320megs, > > you need to pull the 64meg part and install a 128meg part in its place. > > On the bright side, a lot of users are clamoring for 64meg upgrades, since > > 128meg upgrade are still so expensive (~$400). > > I was looking at one place and 128 meg was like $800 for Viking > memory and I was going, wow... Anyways, do you have the 9549-8AU 770Z? I > was wondering if you have video input and outputs on the left side of the > machine towards the front since it seems like I have called CDW, PC Zone > and PC Connection and they are all not sure if that machine comes with the > IBM DVD Enhanced Video Adapter or not since I can see it as a $230 option. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 15:38:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22368 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20021; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 15:36:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19863; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19773; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 15:36:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA27810 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:36:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:36:28 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: TP List Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <199905121926.PAA27757@fantasia.stormhaven.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 12 May 1999, Victor Kress wrote: > On Tue, 4 May 1999 15:43:31 -0400 (EDT), John Kim wrote: > > >I have dropped Thinkpads from 30" without a case without a > >problem. The only time something broke was when I dropped my > >701 onto a tile floor in the bathroom. Otherwise, I've > >dropped my 701 and 750 and 560 onto hardwood floors and > >carpets (unintentionally) without damage (though it crashed > >Linux once and Windows once). > > Geez, I'll bet your wife doesn't let you do the dishes! :) Maybe that's why I'm not married. :-) Seriously, it's not that I'm clumsy or anything. My first Sharp calculator broke when my sister took it to school in her backpack. The weight of the books bent it and broke the PCB. After that, I switched to HP calculators. You can drop-kick those and they'll still work (I hear dropping them from 5 feet onto a hard floor is a standard quality control check at HP). I try to avoid the bleeding edge now, so I don't really baby my laptops. I'm still careful with them, but I think most people underestimate how rugged they really are. Besides, there's always epoxy. :-) -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 15:52:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22490 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21840; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 15:50:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21647; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21582; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 15:50:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01514; Wed, 12 May 1999 12:50:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:50:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Greg Langham cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: <7553C6C478C1D011999300A024D2D2957E3BCF@mail.ubh.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 12 May 1999, Greg Langham wrote: Hi Greg, > Vincent - > > The 9549-8AU 770Z does _NOT_ come with the enhanced adapter. (At least the > three that we have didn't.) > > I ordered the enhanced adapter as a separate option. How is the DVD performance difference between the stock machine and with the option? I'm just wondering if it's worth the extra $200. > The Port 770 Case is fairly bulky, but I like mine because it eliminates the > need for a briefcase or something similar. Hmmm, is it heavy though or it's just heavy but pretty thin because the Targus Universal Air Notebook case I have is like a suitcase. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 1:55 PM > To: William Armstrong > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > > On Wed, 12 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: > > I called PC Connection this morning and they told me it does come > with the Video Adapter. I guess I'll try to pick up that model and see > how my luck goes. If it comes with it, fine. If it doesn't, I'll see how > well the machine performs without it and then order one later. What price > did you pay for the 9549-8AU from them since CDW and PCZone has it for > $4698 which is $101 less than PC Connection. Since PC Connection > guarantees low prices. The salesperson told me that they will call me > back to see if the buyer person can approve the discount. Also, I was > wondering if the Targus Universal Air Case will fit the 770Z or not since > they told me it won't but I have a Port case here that IBM gave for free > for the 385ED and then I bought the Targus case so just wanted to be on > the safe side. They recommended the ThinkPad 770 Deluxe Case from Port > though. I just wonder if that case is lightweight or not and hopefully > it's not as thick as the targus. I'm trying to decide between going with > CDW or PC Connection since it seems PCZone won't have the machines until > 5/17/99 while CDW will only let you buy through the so-called Account > Manager and PC Connection seems to answer questions except the person I > talked to today said the Enhanced DVD Video Adapter is built in on the > 770Z and optional on the 770X. Ofcourse, the brochures on IBM's website > says differently. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > I have 9549-8AU 770Z from PC CONNECTION and it does not come with Video > > Adapter. There are no outputs or inputs for Video on side. DVD's play > > nicely, although I have only watched a few. They play as good as or > better > > than my TP770 with Video Adapter. > > > > Regards, > > Bill > > > > WILLIAM ARMSTRONG LIGHTING DESIGN > > 666 West End Avenue > > New York, NY 10025 > > Tel 212 579 0698 > > Fax 212 579 0699 > > Mobile 917 913 3250 > > warmstrong@waldinc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 8:35 AM > > To: Mark Bell > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > > > On Tue, 11 May 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > > > > > At 10:49 AM 5/11/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > Interesting. I haven't tried any machine with 128 megs before. > > > >On my Desktop, I had 96 and then went straight to 180. the disk > > thrashing > > > >and performance hits with the HD Virtual Memory Subsystem seems to be a > > > >Microsoft Windows problem since Unix can use 64 megs and then like 256 > > > >megs of swap and it does it effectively and efficiently without the > > > >slowdowns one sees on Windows. Speaking about memory on the 770z, does > > > >the stock 128 megs of ram come all on one memory module or is it true > > what > > > >I read on PC Connection that 64 megs is soldered on board and a 64 meg > > > >module is added. I wonder if there is anyway to buy the machine with > 256 > > > >megs of ram stock since if it was the later, I would buy 2 128 meg > > modules > > > >and end up with a 64 meg that I can't do anything with, collecting > dust. > > > > > > Yes, that is the standard stock configuration of the 770z. If you add a > > > 128meg module, you get 256megs total without discarding the original > > > 64meg IBM SO-DIMM that is preinstalled at the factory. If you want > > 320megs, > > > you need to pull the 64meg part and install a 128meg part in its place. > > > On the bright side, a lot of users are clamoring for 64meg upgrades, > since > > > 128meg upgrade are still so expensive (~$400). > > > > I was looking at one place and 128 meg was like $800 for Viking > > memory and I was going, wow... Anyways, do you have the 9549-8AU 770Z? I > > was wondering if you have video input and outputs on the left side of the > > machine towards the front since it seems like I have called CDW, PC Zone > > and PC Connection and they are all not sure if that machine comes with the > > IBM DVD Enhanced Video Adapter or not since I can see it as a $230 option. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ > ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] > ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] > ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 16:18:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22826 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23761; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 16:11:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23607; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23587; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (38.8.14.2 -> relay1.smtp.psi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 16:11:42 -0400 Received: from [204.5.147.3] (helo=exch1.smh.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10hfLo-000516-00; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:11:32 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:11:12 -0400 Message-ID: <40E8526E9CA4D011A45800805FFEAEDB06B9ED84@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: RE: When did IBM Warranties get so sloppy? Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:11:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Strange, my TP 600 battery was dying,too (after about 9 months): I called EZ Serve (last month) and I had the battery the next day. They also did an EZ Serve replacement of my palm rest (pealing paint) and had it back in about 5 days. To their credit, they wouldn't fix the doors on the docking station connector on warranty: they wanted $358!!! The machine was never manhandled or dropped. The doors are just flimsy. Regards, Neil Halvey TP 600, 770, 701 -----Original Message----- From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 12:45 AM To: TP List Subject: When did IBM Warranties get so sloppy? I'm an unhappy camper at the moment... Item 1: After 11 months of ownership, the battery to my ThinkPad 600 is all but kaput. It lasts for about 30 minutes, and that's it. Luckily, that's less than a year, so the battery is still under warranty (1 year on batteries, 3 on the machine). So I called EZ Serve and asked them to take care of it. To their credit, they're sending me a battery. Problem: That was over a week ago. Checked today and found that they don't expect me to receive it until Friday. That's just a tad shy of 2 full calendar weeks. Item 2: I'm working along tonight and keep getting a beep--the AC connector is suddenly flaky, sometimes providing power, sometimes not. I find that manipulating the AC wire near the barrel connector does the trick, but its *really* touchy. I call EZ Serve again and they say they'll send me a new AC adapter...in 7 to 10 days. What's up with this 1 to 2 weeks crap? The last time I had to deal with any warranty issues, it was with my 750C, which was about 5 years ago. I had a battery crap out on me too early and they promptly sent me another one--I don't recall whether it was overnight or 2nd day, but *certainly* wasn't a 1 to 2 week wait. For crying out loud, the 600's are high-end machines, certainly not the 300 series (no offense intended to all you 300 series owners--but your machines cost 1/2 as much and aren't considered the top-end, nor do they carry the extensive warranty that the higher machines do). We use these things for *work*. I have to give two presentations using this computer over the next couple of days and by damn, if the AC adapter craps out *and* the battery goes dead, I'm up sh*t creek--definitely screwed out of lost sales. Now if these boneheads overnighted me an adapter, I'd be fine, but Noooo... When did IBM become such cheap bastards? Should I start looking at Toshibas next time, or are they not any better? When I pay this kind of money for a laptop with a brand like IBM behind it, I expect *support* and I expect it promptly. Obviously instantaneous is impossible, but waiting 1 to 2 weeks for a simple replacement part is *way* too long. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 16:29:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22911 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25269; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 16:28:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25085; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.trincoll.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25070; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.trincoll.edu (157.252.10.251 -> mail.cc.trincoll.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 16:28:03 -0400 Received: from dhowery.pc.trincoll.edu (dhowery.pc.trincoll.edu [157.252.103.62]) by mail.trincoll.edu (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id QAA07913; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990512162641.006d9504@mail.trincoll.edu> X-Sender: dhowery@mail.trincoll.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:26:41 -0400 To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" From: David Howery Subject: WTB Refurbished 770ED Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hello All: I've been on the list for nearly two years now but I mostly lurk and rarely post. I bought an IBM refurbished ThinkPad 701cs about two years ago and I am still very happy with the purchase. However, now I am looking for a newer, faster, more capable desktop replacement; perhaps a ThinkPad 770ED. I wonder, does anyone know of a reliable seller of IBM refurbished ThinkPads? I am interested in a P2 770 or perhaps a P2 600 if the price is right. I'll settle for a clean used ThinkPad if the seller does not believe it to be made of precious metal. Dave -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- David C. Howery | Department of Biology | eMail - david.howery@mail.trincoll.edu Trinity College | Phone - (860) 297-5189 300 Summit Street - LSC 314 | FAX - (860) 297-2538 Hartford, CT 06106-3100 | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 16:52:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA23124 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27040; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 16:49:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26736; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26713; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (128.9.128.128 -> tnt.isi.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 16:49:06 -0400 Received: from ISI.EDU (kiribati.isi.edu [128.9.64.129]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14043; Wed, 12 May 1999 13:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3739E93C.E49DE0AF@ISI.EDU> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:49:00 -0700 From: Steven Augart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,it,es-CO,es-AR,es-MX,es,fr,de,el MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Howery CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: WTB Refurbished 770ED References: <3.0.1.32.19990512162641.006d9504@mail.trincoll.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes, I do know of a P2 600 at a good price. There's a fellow, Curtis Cates, selling a used Thinkpad 600 PII/233, 32MB, for $1500. He may still be on vacation right now, but he can be reached as ccates@lexmark.com. Here's the letter he sent me: > > The price still resides at $1,500.00. Are you aware of someone interested at > that price. I will cover shipping and insurance costs if you do know of > someone. > > I appreciate your assistance. Let me know if you know of someone. > > Curtis David Howery wrote: > > Hello All: > > I've been on the list for nearly two years now but I mostly lurk and rarely > post. I bought an IBM refurbished ThinkPad 701cs about two years ago and I > am still very happy with the purchase. However, now I am looking for a > newer, faster, more capable desktop replacement; perhaps a ThinkPad 770ED. > I wonder, does anyone know of a reliable seller of IBM refurbished > ThinkPads? I am interested in a P2 770 or perhaps a P2 600 if the price is > right. > I'll settle for a clean used ThinkPad if the seller does not > believe it to be made of precious metal. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 17:08:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23280 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28600; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 17:06:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28275; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28177; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (202.188.95.4 -> mta1.tm.net.my) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 17:05:55 -0400 Received: from tm.net.my ([202.188.12.232]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19990512210545.OASI4223@tm.net.my> for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 05:05:45 +0800 Message-ID: <3739ED16.3F2D1B08@tm.net.my> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 05:05:27 +0800 From: Zilim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Memory - TP770ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: One question: Can I upgrade my 64MB (32MB system & 32MB Socket #1) TP770ED to 128MB with an additional of 64MB SDRAM? As I was going through the Apricorn site on memory for my system, I noticed that there's only one upgrade path if I was to maintain my 32MB SDRAM and that's is an additional of 32MB SDRAM which bring the system to a total of 96MB RAM. Thanks Peter From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 17:18:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23402 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29608; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 17:16:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29508; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29487; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (169.207.3.78 -> mailgw02.execpc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 17:16:42 -0400 Received: from pop00.execpc.com (pop00.execpc.com [169.207.1.114]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.9.1) id QAA17486; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:16:34 -0500 Received: from Pscdavis (dantooine-2-158.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.139.96]) by pop00.execpc.com (8.8.8) id QAA15680; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:16:33 -0500 Message-ID: <005701be9cbc$a5eb5280$608bcfa9@Pscdavis> From: "Steven Davis" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" , "David Howery" Subject: Re: WTB Refurbished 770ED (or 600?) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:16:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I've also been looking for a refurbished/used P2 Thinkpad 600. Onsale (http://www.onsale.com) had refurbished 600's for sale, but they were the HPA display model and I'd much prefer an active matrix equipped model. Electronics4Less (http://www.electronics4less.com/) is currently selling refurbished 2645-21U models for $1295, but that's a Pentium 233 model with the HPA display. Regards, Steven -----Original Message----- From: David Howery To: Thinkpad Mailing List Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 3:29 PM Subject: WTB Refurbished 770ED >Hello All: > >I've been on the list for nearly two years now but I mostly lurk and rarely >post. I bought an IBM refurbished ThinkPad 701cs about two years ago and I >am still very happy with the purchase. However, now I am looking for a >newer, faster, more capable desktop replacement; perhaps a ThinkPad 770ED. >I wonder, does anyone know of a reliable seller of IBM refurbished >ThinkPads? I am interested in a P2 770 or perhaps a P2 600 if the price is >right. I'll settle for a clean used ThinkPad if the seller does not >believe it to be made of precious metal. > > Dave >-- >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > David C. Howery | > Department of Biology | eMail - david.howery@mail.trincoll.edu > Trinity College | Phone - (860) 297-5189 > 300 Summit Street - LSC 314 | FAX - (860) 297-2538 > Hartford, CT 06106-3100 | >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 17:53:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23847 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02096; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 17:51:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01906; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01893; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (165.87.194.252 -> out1.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 17:51:42 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip-32-100-39-211.nj.us.ibm.net [32.100.39.211]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA48572; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:50:58 GMT Message-ID: <001f01be9cc2$8ab72740$d3276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Steven Davis" , "Thinkpad Mailing List" , "David Howery" References: <005701be9cbc$a5eb5280$608bcfa9@Pscdavis> Subject: Re: WTB Refurbished 770ED (or 600?) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:57:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: That sounds like a fairly good price for a PII 600. I don't know what similiar 600 are selling for but the 770ED's are still worth over $2000. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Davis To: Thinkpad Mailing List ; David Howery Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 5:16 PM Subject: Re: WTB Refurbished 770ED (or 600?) > > I've also been looking for a refurbished/used P2 Thinkpad 600. > > Onsale (http://www.onsale.com) had refurbished 600's for sale, but they were > the HPA display model and I'd much prefer an active matrix equipped model. > > Electronics4Less (http://www.electronics4less.com/) is currently selling > refurbished 2645-21U models for $1295, but that's a Pentium 233 model with > the HPA display. > > > Regards, > > Steven > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Howery > To: Thinkpad Mailing List > Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 3:29 PM > Subject: WTB Refurbished 770ED > > > >Hello All: > > > >I've been on the list for nearly two years now but I mostly lurk and rarely > >post. I bought an IBM refurbished ThinkPad 701cs about two years ago and I > >am still very happy with the purchase. However, now I am looking for a > >newer, faster, more capable desktop replacement; perhaps a ThinkPad 770ED. > >I wonder, does anyone know of a reliable seller of IBM refurbished > >ThinkPads? I am interested in a P2 770 or perhaps a P2 600 if the price is > >right. I'll settle for a clean used ThinkPad if the seller does not > >believe it to be made of precious metal. > > > > Dave > >-- > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > David C. Howery | > > Department of Biology | eMail - david.howery@mail.trincoll.edu > > Trinity College | Phone - (860) 297-5189 > > 300 Summit Street - LSC 314 | FAX - (860) 297-2538 > > Hartford, CT 06106-3100 | > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 18:06:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24062 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03053; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 18:03:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02876; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02857; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (207.69.200.64 -> smtp4.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 18:03:08 -0400 Received: from WilliamArmstrong (user-2ivea89.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.41.9]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA11179; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "William Armstrong" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:04:01 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, Don't expect the adapter. I'm pretty sure it is not included. I paid $4,842 for the 770Z 9549-8U when all was said and done. I'm not sure how much of this amount was shipping because the first 770Z I ordered was stolen from AIRBORNE's New York City dispatch station. I got a second one shipped via UPS Second Day a week later. I kinda thought that the second one was shipped for free, but I think the base price was $4,799, or something like that. -Bill WILLIAM ARMSTRONG LIGHTING DESIGN 666 West End Avenue New York, NY 10025 Tel 212 579 0698 Fax 212 579 0699 Mobile 917 913 3250 warmstrong@waldinc.com -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 2:55 PM To: William Armstrong Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z On Wed, 12 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: I called PC Connection this morning and they told me it does come with the Video Adapter. I guess I'll try to pick up that model and see how my luck goes. If it comes with it, fine. If it doesn't, I'll see how well the machine performs without it and then order one later. What price did you pay for the 9549-8AU from them since CDW and PCZone has it for $4698 which is $101 less than PC Connection. Since PC Connection guarantees low prices. The salesperson told me that they will call me back to see if the buyer person can approve the discount. Also, I was wondering if the Targus Universal Air Case will fit the 770Z or not since they told me it won't but I have a Port case here that IBM gave for free for the 385ED and then I bought the Targus case so just wanted to be on the safe side. They recommended the ThinkPad 770 Deluxe Case from Port though. I just wonder if that case is lightweight or not and hopefully it's not as thick as the targus. I'm trying to decide between going with CDW or PC Connection since it seems PCZone won't have the machines until 5/17/99 while CDW will only let you buy through the so-called Account Manager and PC Connection seems to answer questions except the person I talked to today said the Enhanced DVD Video Adapter is built in on the 770Z and optional on the 770X. Ofcourse, the brochures on IBM's website says differently. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > I have 9549-8AU 770Z from PC CONNECTION and it does not come with Video > Adapter. There are no outputs or inputs for Video on side. DVD's play > nicely, although I have only watched a few. They play as good as or better > than my TP770 with Video Adapter. > > Regards, > Bill > > WILLIAM ARMSTRONG LIGHTING DESIGN > 666 West End Avenue > New York, NY 10025 > Tel 212 579 0698 > Fax 212 579 0699 > Mobile 917 913 3250 > warmstrong@waldinc.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 8:35 AM > To: Mark Bell > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > On Tue, 11 May 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > > > At 10:49 AM 5/11/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > > Interesting. I haven't tried any machine with 128 megs before. > > >On my Desktop, I had 96 and then went straight to 180. the disk > thrashing > > >and performance hits with the HD Virtual Memory Subsystem seems to be a > > >Microsoft Windows problem since Unix can use 64 megs and then like 256 > > >megs of swap and it does it effectively and efficiently without the > > >slowdowns one sees on Windows. Speaking about memory on the 770z, does > > >the stock 128 megs of ram come all on one memory module or is it true > what > > >I read on PC Connection that 64 megs is soldered on board and a 64 meg > > >module is added. I wonder if there is anyway to buy the machine with 256 > > >megs of ram stock since if it was the later, I would buy 2 128 meg > modules > > >and end up with a 64 meg that I can't do anything with, collecting dust. > > > > Yes, that is the standard stock configuration of the 770z. If you add a > > 128meg module, you get 256megs total without discarding the original > > 64meg IBM SO-DIMM that is preinstalled at the factory. If you want > 320megs, > > you need to pull the 64meg part and install a 128meg part in its place. > > On the bright side, a lot of users are clamoring for 64meg upgrades, since > > 128meg upgrade are still so expensive (~$400). > > I was looking at one place and 128 meg was like $800 for Viking > memory and I was going, wow... Anyways, do you have the 9549-8AU 770Z? I > was wondering if you have video input and outputs on the left side of the > machine towards the front since it seems like I have called CDW, PC Zone > and PC Connection and they are all not sure if that machine comes with the > IBM DVD Enhanced Video Adapter or not since I can see it as a $230 option. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 18:25:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24245 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04743; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 18:24:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04567; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04540; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web601.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.12 -> web136.yahoomail.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 18:23:45 -0400 Message-ID: <19990512222641.22310.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [203.102.140.17] by web136.yahoomail.com; Wed, 12 May 1999 15:26:41 PDT Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:26:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Scott Reply-To: cnscott@zip.com.au Subject: Re: 770 Modem To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Yes, there is a modem commang you can use in the "extra settings" modem config section. Issue a 'W1', this will report actual speed rather than pc-modem speed. c. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 18:57:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24575 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06199; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 18:56:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06107; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.leopard.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06082; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.leopard.com (199.239.18.2 -> smtp.leopard.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 18:55:31 -0400 Received: from ssh (needToKnowBasis.leopard.com [199.239.18.87] (may be forged)) by smtp.leopard.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA11897; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:08:11 -0600 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: , Subject: RE: USB joypad help Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:57:25 -0600 Message-ID: <001e01be9cca$cd3238a0$5712efc7@ssh.servicemetrics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <3740bdd6.7153004@relay.freeuk.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Go into Control Panel | System | Device Manager Click on the Joypad Click Remove Reboot. >-----Original Message----- >From: Nick Dixon [mailto:nickdixon@bigfoot.com] >Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 11:44 AM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: USB joypad help > > >Hi there, > >I tried to install a USB joypad today on my Thinkpad 380XD (I have USB >support on my version of Windows 95). > >I plugged in the joypad and Windows 95 immediately detected the >hardware (It said "Windows is building a driver database"). I followed >the instructions and started to install the driver from the floppy. >Unfortunately, I then clicked the "finish" tab by accident. At this >point, everything stopped and I was back to square 1. No Joypad >installed.... > >I re-started Windows to see if it would auto-detect it again - but >nothing! I tried and tried but it will not detect the joypad. > >Can anyone offer any help here, as I am desperate to use the Joypad! > >Many thanks. > >Nick >-- >------------------------------------------------ >THE DAILY DAMON: http://www.thedailydamon.clara.net >Damon Hill...news...gossip...interviews...results >------------------------------------------------ > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 19:02:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA24643 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06676; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 19:01:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06572; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06542; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:01:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 19:01:21 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a215.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.215]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA03734 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905122301.TAA03734@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a215.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.215] 209.198.80.215 Wed, 12 May 1999 19:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:55:29 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <19990512222641.22310.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: 770 Modem X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >Yes, there is a modem commang you can use in the >"extra settings" modem config section. Issue a 'W1', >this will report actual speed rather than pc-modem >speed. Is this for all modems? I just tried it on a 600E with the ACP modem and it still reports the port speed (57600/ECLE). _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 19:14:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA24786 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07639; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 19:11:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07461; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.psnet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07425; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.psnet.net (216.98.165.1 -> psnet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 19:11:43 -0400 Received: from adam (216.98.165.93 [216.98.165.93]) by ns1.psnet.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id K297RTGR; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:07:00 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Robert W. King" To: , Cc: "Greg Langham" Subject: RE: 770 Modem Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:11:22 -0600 Message-ID: <000201be9cd5$21bf39e0$0401a8c0@adam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19990512222641.22310.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi Chris! Thanks! I knew it ought to be part of the Hayes modem command set, but I didn't have a reference for it. Adding "W1" in the extra settings does just exactly what I want - reports the connection speed when the systray DUN icon is highlighted without having to run any additional modem monitoring program. -- Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086 InterNet: robtking@prioritysolutions.com http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/i/n/Robert-W-King/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Chris Scott [mailto:cnscott@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 1999 16:27 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 Modem Yes, there is a modem commang you can use in the "extra settings" modem config section. Issue a 'W1', this will report actual speed rather than pc-modem speed. c. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 19:19:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA24849 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08185; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 19:18:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08060; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07982; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 19:17:01 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-78.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.78]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA18745; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990512191440.0125ecc8@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:14:40 -0400 To: Zilim , Thinkpad Mailing List From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Memory - TP770ED In-Reply-To: <3739ED16.3F2D1B08@tm.net.my> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:05 AM 5/13/99 +0800, Zilim wrote: >One question: >Can I upgrade my 64MB (32MB system & 32MB Socket #1) TP770ED to 128MB >with an additional of 64MB SDRAM? Yes. 64meg SO-DIMMS are fairly cheap. If you want a better deal, find a fellow user who is upgrading to 256megs or greater. > >As I was going through the Apricorn site on memory for my system, I >noticed that there's only one upgrade path if I was to maintain my 32MB >SDRAM and that's is an additional of 32MB SDRAM which bring the system >to a total of 96MB RAM. No, this is wrong. I had 32megs soldered + 32meg SO-DIMM upgrade and a 64meg SO-DIMM upgrade that had me humming along @ 128megs quite comfortably... ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 20:04:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA25303 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10318; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 20:03:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10139; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10121; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (128.9.128.128 -> tnt.isi.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 20:03:12 -0400 Received: from ISI.EDU (kiribati.isi.edu [128.9.64.129]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA07785; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <373A16B0.F5111145@ISI.EDU> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:02:56 -0700 From: Steven Augart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,it,es-CO,es-AR,es-MX,es,fr,de,el MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Howery , Thinkpad Mailing List CC: ccates@lexmark.com, Nancy Peponis Subject: CORRECTION (Re: WTB Refurbished 770ED) References: <3.0.1.32.19990512162641.006d9504@mail.trincoll.edu> <3739E93C.E49DE0AF@ISI.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I apologize. There is an error in my description of the used 600 for sale. The used 600 I wrote about actually the 2645-21U model, which is a P233mmx, not a PII. In the EBAY listing through which I originally contacted Curtis, he had listed it as having 233 MHZ and a 13.3" screen; the only TP 600 meeting those specs is the 2645-41U, which has a PII. This unit actually has an 13.0" HPA display. Amazing what a difference .3" can make. --Steve Augart Steven Augart wrote: > > Yes, I do know of a P2 600 at a good price. There's a fellow, Curtis > Cates, selling a used Thinkpad 600 PII/233, 32MB, for $1500. He may > still be on vacation right now, but he can be reached as > ccates@lexmark.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 20:23:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA25443 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11597; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 20:21:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11485; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11471; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (206.108.253.68 -> onlink4.onlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 20:20:56 -0400 Received: from nrba2-49.onlink.net (nrba2-49.onlink.net [207.210.99.178]) by onlink4.onlink.net (8.8.7/) with SMTP id TAA93002 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 19:20:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199905130020.TAA93002@onlink4.onlink.net> From: "Alex Bell" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:06:23 +0000 Reply-To: "Alex Bell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Thinkpad seizes up List-Unsubscribe: The motherboard on my Thinkpad 385XD was recently replaced under warranty because it occasionally would not connect properly with an Enhanced Port Repicator. Since the motherboard was replaced I have noticed that if I leave the computer on but unused for more than 20 minutes it will seize up completely. The two LEDs on either end of the row of LEDs remain lit, but nothing else happens. The computer will not even respond to the on off switch - I have to use the emergency power switch on the bottom of the computer to regain control. This problem occurs whether or not I am using battery power or AC power through the port replicator. Can anyone suggest what is happening, or what I should do? The technician who installed the second mother board says that it must have been a defective board, and has ordered another one, but I wonder if there is some other explanation. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 20:49:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA25757 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13230; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 20:48:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12982; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12918; Wed, 12 May 1999 20:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 20:48:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA02769; Wed, 12 May 1999 17:47:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:47:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: William Armstrong cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 12 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: Hello Bill, > Don't expect the adapter. I'm pretty sure it is not included. Yep, since they keep saying it's included but I'll just pretend it's not there since I placed my order for the machine earlier today. > I paid $4,842 for the 770Z 9549-8U when all was said and done. I'm not sure > how much of this amount was shipping because the first 770Z I ordered was > stolen from AIRBORNE's New York City dispatch station. I got a second one > shipped via UPS Second Day a week later. I kinda thought that the second > one was shipped for free, but I think the base price was $4,799, or > something like that. I paid $4698 from PC Connnection for the 9549-8AU when they matched the CDW pricing and then got the Port Deluxe 770 case for $119 >from them. There is also a $300 IBM Rebate for all machines purchased between 5/1-7/31/99. How did they managed to get the machine stolen >from Airborne's dispatch station? Sorry to hearabout that. Onanother note, does anyone know how to merge files like the Windows 98 system registry between and stuff in c:\windows since they said I can use PCAnywhere to do it but I'm not sure how the process is done. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 2:55 PM > To: William Armstrong > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > On Wed, 12 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: > > I called PC Connection this morning and they told me it does come > with the Video Adapter. I guess I'll try to pick up that model and see > how my luck goes. If it comes with it, fine. If it doesn't, I'll see how > well the machine performs without it and then order one later. What price > did you pay for the 9549-8AU from them since CDW and PCZone has it for > $4698 which is $101 less than PC Connection. Since PC Connection > guarantees low prices. The salesperson told me that they will call me > back to see if the buyer person can approve the discount. Also, I was > wondering if the Targus Universal Air Case will fit the 770Z or not since > they told me it won't but I have a Port case here that IBM gave for free > for the 385ED and then I bought the Targus case so just wanted to be on > the safe side. They recommended the ThinkPad 770 Deluxe Case from Port > though. I just wonder if that case is lightweight or not and hopefully > it's not as thick as the targus. I'm trying to decide between going with > CDW or PC Connection since it seems PCZone won't have the machines until > 5/17/99 while CDW will only let you buy through the so-called Account > Manager and PC Connection seems to answer questions except the person I > talked to today said the Enhanced DVD Video Adapter is built in on the > 770Z and optional on the 770X. Ofcourse, the brochures on IBM's website > says differently. > > > I have 9549-8AU 770Z from PC CONNECTION and it does not come with Video > > Adapter. There are no outputs or inputs for Video on side. DVD's play > > nicely, although I have only watched a few. They play as good as or > better > > than my TP770 with Video Adapter. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 8:35 AM > > To: Mark Bell > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: RE: Mobility Dock vs. Selectabase for 770Z > > > > On Tue, 11 May 1999, Mark Bell wrote: > > > > > At 10:49 AM 5/11/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > Interesting. I haven't tried any machine with 128 megs before. > > > >On my Desktop, I had 96 and then went straight to 180. the disk > > thrashing > > > >and performance hits with the HD Virtual Memory Subsystem seems to be a > > > >Microsoft Windows problem since Unix can use 64 megs and then like 256 > > > >megs of swap and it does it effectively and efficiently without the > > > >slowdowns one sees on Windows. Speaking about memory on the 770z, does > > > >the stock 128 megs of ram come all on one memory module or is it true > > what > > > >I read on PC Connection that 64 megs is soldered on board and a 64 meg > > > >module is added. I wonder if there is anyway to buy the machine with > 256 > > > >megs of ram stock since if it was the later, I would buy 2 128 meg > > modules > > > >and end up with a 64 meg that I can't do anything with, collecting > dust. > > > > > > Yes, that is the standard stock configuration of the 770z. If you add a > > > 128meg module, you get 256megs total without discarding the original > > > 64meg IBM SO-DIMM that is preinstalled at the factory. If you want > > 320megs, > > > you need to pull the 64meg part and install a 128meg part in its place. > > > On the bright side, a lot of users are clamoring for 64meg upgrades, > since > > > 128meg upgrade are still so expensive (~$400). > > > > I was looking at one place and 128 meg was like $800 for Viking > > memory and I was going, wow... Anyways, do you have the 9549-8AU 770Z? I > > was wondering if you have video input and outputs on the left side of the > > machine towards the front since it seems like I have called CDW, PC Zone > > and PC Connection and they are all not sure if that machine comes with the > > IBM DVD Enhanced Video Adapter or not since I can see it as a $230 option. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 12 22:06:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA26503 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16501; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 May 1999 22:00:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16351; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16338; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.116 -> pilot016.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 May 1999 22:00:18 -0400 Received: from andres (port02.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.3]) by pilot016.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA67840 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:00:14 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990512220136.0089f3c0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:01:36 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: a TP 1451i lament... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I've been hearing talk of "LT" modei on Think Pads for a while now, and after having some problems with my V90 modem, see that I have a LT modem according to Windows. This seems to be a sad little modem, given to fits of low connect speeds, and disconnects. Basically it works, but seems to connect in the mid 40K's, and only at 52K from a location which I know is very close to the local CO and ISP. In switching ISP's, I've gone from an average 46K connection to about 40K. Sigh. The hardware is listed as being version 1.0.00, and the file version for one of the device drivers is 5.19. A copyright date of 1997 exists for the modem. If anyone has any idea of the better types of modei to connect to, I'd appreciate hearing about it. I know that the best solution would be to ditch this with a PCMCIA modem/enet card, but I can't do that at the moment. I suspect I'm stuck with this performance, but I'm all ears for any ideas on this. Thanks, --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 00:13:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA27655 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 00:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21090; Thu, 13 May 1999 00:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 00:10:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20925; Thu, 13 May 1999 00:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20906; Thu, 13 May 1999 00:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (165.87.194.239 -> out4.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 00:10:34 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip166-72-104-245.nj.us.ibm.net [166.72.104.245]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA203354; Thu, 13 May 1999 04:10:30 GMT Message-ID: <003101be9cf7$7efe4200$f56848a6@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: , "STeve Andre'" References: <3.0.6.32.19990512220136.0089f3c0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: a TP 1451i lament... Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:17:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I know we have discussed the performance of the ACP modem on this group quite a few times over the past few months and we would all like to see better performance but, frankly it really is a mute point to me. Wether I connect at 36K or 51K regardless of the modem the page loading or downloads are not that significantly different. I personally would not spend money on yet another 56K modem especially a pcmcia when I already have an internal. Perhaps I have been spoiled by my network connections at work where I can download Linux in just a tad over an hour! Now that's a connection. I'll wait until I can get ADSL for the home and just network into it that way. As for the road well, I never manage to find good lines in Europe so..... Don ----- Original Message ----- From: STeve Andre' To: Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 10:01 PM Subject: a TP 1451i lament... > I've been hearing talk of "LT" modei on Think Pads for a while > now, and after having some problems with my V90 modem, see that I > have a LT modem according to Windows. > > This seems to be a sad little modem, given to fits of low connect > speeds, and disconnects. Basically it works, but seems to connect > in the mid 40K's, and only at 52K from a location which I know is > very close to the local CO and ISP. > > In switching ISP's, I've gone from an average 46K connection to > about 40K. Sigh. > > The hardware is listed as being version 1.0.00, and the file > version for one of the device drivers is 5.19. A copyright date > of 1997 exists for the modem. > > If anyone has any idea of the better types of modei to connect > to, I'd appreciate hearing about it. I know that the best solution > would be to ditch this with a PCMCIA modem/enet card, but I can't > do that at the moment. > > I suspect I'm stuck with this performance, but I'm all ears for > any ideas on this. Thanks, > > --STeve Andre' > andres@pilot.msu.edu > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 01:32:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA28192 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 01:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23965; Thu, 13 May 1999 01:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 01:29:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23870; Thu, 13 May 1999 01:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23855; Thu, 13 May 1999 01:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 01:29:19 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl9-56.gate.net [207.36.213.56]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA329432; Thu, 13 May 1999 01:30:34 -0400 Message-ID: <373A6323.28E8A4DB@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:29:07 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Bell CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: Thinkpad seizes up References: <199905130020.TAA93002@onlink4.onlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Alex.. the tech is most likely correct.. sounds like something to do with power management, but it'll still need to be replaced.. Alex Bell wrote: > The motherboard on my Thinkpad 385XD was recently replaced under > warranty because it occasionally would not connect properly with an > Enhanced Port Repicator. > > Since the motherboard was replaced I have noticed that if I leave the > computer on but unused for more than 20 minutes it will seize up > completely. The two LEDs on either end of the row of LEDs remain lit, > but nothing else happens. The computer will not even respond to the on > off switch - I have to use the emergency power switch on the bottom of > the computer to regain control. This problem occurs whether or not I > am using battery power or AC power through the port replicator. > > Can anyone suggest what is happening, or what I should do? The > technician who installed the second mother board says that it must have > been a defective board, and has ordered another one, but I wonder if > there is some other explanation. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 01:45:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA28254 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 01:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24774; Thu, 13 May 1999 01:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 01:42:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24679; Thu, 13 May 1999 01:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24665; Thu, 13 May 1999 01:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 01:41:55 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl9-56.gate.net [207.36.213.56]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA289570; Thu, 13 May 1999 01:43:13 -0400 Message-ID: <373A6619.21BAD053@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:41:46 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zilim CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: Memory - TP770ED References: <3739ED16.3F2D1B08@tm.net.my> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Peter.. YES, you can.. :-) Zilim wrote: > One question: > Can I upgrade my 64MB (32MB system & 32MB Socket #1) TP770ED to 128MB > with an additional of 64MB SDRAM? > > As I was going through the Apricorn site on memory for my system, I > noticed that there's only one upgrade path if I was to maintain my 32MB > SDRAM and that's is an additional of 32MB SDRAM which bring the system > to a total of 96MB RAM. > > Thanks > Peter -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 02:14:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA28533 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 02:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25989; Thu, 13 May 1999 02:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 02:11:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25844; Thu, 13 May 1999 02:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25827; Thu, 13 May 1999 02:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 02:11:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA03992; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:11:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:11:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "STeve Andre'" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: a TP 1451i lament... In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990512220136.0089f3c0@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 12 May 1999, STeve Andre' wrote: > I've been hearing talk of "LT" modei on Think Pads for a while > now, and after having some problems with my V90 modem, see that I > have a LT modem according to Windows. > > This seems to be a sad little modem, given to fits of low connect > speeds, and disconnects. Basically it works, but seems to connect > in the mid 40K's, and only at 52K from a location which I know is > very close to the local CO and ISP. > > In switching ISP's, I've gone from an average 46K connection to > about 40K. Sigh. > > The hardware is listed as being version 1.0.00, and the file > version for one of the device drivers is 5.19. A copyright date > of 1997 exists for the modem. > > If anyone has any idea of the better types of modei to connect > to, I'd appreciate hearing about it. I know that the best solution > would be to ditch this with a PCMCIA modem/enet card, but I can't > do that at the moment. > > I suspect I'm stuck with this performance, but I'm all ears for > any ideas on this. Thanks, Wow.... So it really uses a LT Winmodem. One thing about any winmodem is that it's OS and CPU dependent since the modem doesn't have it's own processor like traditional modems. Also, it's a known issue that the LT (Lucent Technologies) Modems have reliability problems with connections. Guess all companies are going cheap with built in modems since LT winmodems only cost $12 retail and a lot cheaper than that in large quantity. It's weird how respected brands like Compaq, IBM, Apple, HP are using such inferior modems in expensive desktop and notebook machines. As for PCMCIA modems, the best one is the 3Com/USRobotics/Megahertz 3CCFEM656B 10/100 LAN + 56K Modem 32 bit CardBus adapter that just came out. The 3CCFEM556B 16bit version will work fine as a modem but it can't do more than 10Mbytes a second for 100BT while CardBus does 80MBytes a second. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 02:40:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA28650 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 02:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27043; Thu, 13 May 1999 02:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 02:37:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26912; Thu, 13 May 1999 02:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26899; Thu, 13 May 1999 02:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 02:37:42 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a84.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.84]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA02721; Thu, 13 May 1999 02:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905130637.CAA02721@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a84.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.84] 209.198.80.84 Thu, 13 May 1999 02:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 02:30:14 -0400 To: "STeve Andre'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990512220136.0089f3c0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: a TP 1451i lament... X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >Basically it works, but seems to connect in the >mid 40K's, and only at 52K from a location which I know is very close to >the local CO and ISP. > In switching ISP's, I've gone from an average 46K connection to about >40K. Sigh. The FCC limits the speed to about 53K. None of us see 56K. The rest is telephone line losses. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 03:44:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA28945 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 03:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00609; Thu, 13 May 1999 03:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 03:41:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00483; Thu, 13 May 1999 03:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00470; Thu, 13 May 1999 03:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 03:41:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA04589; Thu, 13 May 1999 00:41:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:41:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: a TP 1451i lament... In-Reply-To: <003101be9cf7$7efe4200$f56848a6@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 13 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > I know we have discussed the performance of the ACP modem on this group > quite a few times over the past few months and we would all like to see > better performance but, frankly it really is a mute point to me. > Wether I connect at 36K or 51K regardless of the modem the page loading or > downloads are not that significantly different. I personally would not spend > money on yet another 56K modem especially a pcmcia when I already have an > internal. I guess it all depends on what you are doing since web pages, you can't really tell the lag time and stuff as I can with telnet, rlogin, ssh sessions. > Perhaps I have been spoiled by my network connections at work where I can > download Linux in just a tad over an hour! Now that's a connection. > I'll wait until I can get ADSL for the home and just network into it that > way. As for the road well, I never manage to find good lines in Europe > so..... I can download Linux when I am at my company in Hawaii in 15 minutes and it's like fast. I'll probably get SDSL at home soon. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: STeve Andre' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 10:01 PM > Subject: a TP 1451i lament... > > > > I've been hearing talk of "LT" modei on Think Pads for a while > > now, and after having some problems with my V90 modem, see that I > > have a LT modem according to Windows. > > > > This seems to be a sad little modem, given to fits of low connect > > speeds, and disconnects. Basically it works, but seems to connect > > in the mid 40K's, and only at 52K from a location which I know is > > very close to the local CO and ISP. > > > > In switching ISP's, I've gone from an average 46K connection to > > about 40K. Sigh. > > > > The hardware is listed as being version 1.0.00, and the file > > version for one of the device drivers is 5.19. A copyright date > > of 1997 exists for the modem. > > > > If anyone has any idea of the better types of modei to connect > > to, I'd appreciate hearing about it. I know that the best solution > > would be to ditch this with a PCMCIA modem/enet card, but I can't > > do that at the moment. > > > > I suspect I'm stuck with this performance, but I'm all ears for > > any ideas on this. Thanks, > > > > --STeve Andre' > > andres@pilot.msu.edu > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 07:39:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA29865 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 07:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15350; Thu, 13 May 1999 07:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 07:37:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15127; Thu, 13 May 1999 07:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.atl.bellsouth.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15109; Thu, 13 May 1999 07:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.atl.bellsouth.net (205.152.0.22 -> mail2.atl.bellsouth.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 07:37:06 -0400 Received: from fatman (adsl-77-229-89.atl.bellsouth.net [216.77.229.89]) by mail2.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA09180 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 07:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990513073658.00830710@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: lewj@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:36:58 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Lew Jansen Subject: ADSL - was Re: a TP 1451i lament... In-Reply-To: <003101be9cf7$7efe4200$f56848a6@thinkpad> References: <3.0.6.32.19990512220136.0089f3c0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:17 AM 5/13/99 -0400, Donald Mak wrote: >I'll wait until I can get ADSL for the home and just network into it that way. I've had ADSL at home for the last month or so. (Bellsouth, Atlanta) Simply amazing. Always there, lightning fast. Downloads in the range of 50-90KBps (KB=KiloByte) depending on the server. Well worth getting IMHO, though other cities or providers may vary. Bellsouth allows for "members of the same family" to use other machines networked through the machine with the ADSL connection, so you're "okay" as far as multi-machine connects. Don't hook the ADSL modem to a hub though, BS gets irritated if they see more than one MAC address appear on their end. Better to have a machine with two ethercards -- one to the ADSL modem, other to your local LAN, then run a firewall/gateway type package on the connected machine, like Sygate or Wingate (or hook the ADSL to a linux box). I haven't networked my TP390E in this way yet, as I really don't need Internet access on it at this time, mostly repeating what others have done or suggested. -- Lew ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lew Jansen lewj@mindspring.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 12:33:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02748 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00324; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 12:31:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29944; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29775; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 12:28:26 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA01897; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:28:20 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from concentric.net (ts003d06.okc-ok.concentric.net [206.173.130.114]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA11396; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <373AFDAF.341931BD@concentric.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:28:31 -0500 From: "Robert D. Baron" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Last fall I bought a Brenthaven top loader for my TP600. It is in the same 'high' price range as the Tumi but is, I believe, lighter; somewhat more compact, but still holds a lot; and quite rugged and protective. I am pretty particular about my luggage and briefcase collection, and I am very happy with it. I've travelled quite a bit with it and so far have no complaints at all. See http://www.brenthaven.com/ for details. --Bob Baron / Oklahoma City From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 12:44:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02855 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01322; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 12:42:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01161; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01144; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (149.174.183.73 -> smtp4.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 12:42:29 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:42:20 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id MAA03829 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 12:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905131641.MAA03829@dub-img-ims-3.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:46:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sharing high-speed connection List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 13 May 1999 07:36:58 -0400, Lew Jansen wrote: >Better to have a machine with two ethercards -- one to the ADSL >modem, other to your local LAN, then run a firewall/gateway type package on >the connected machine, like Sygate or Wingate (or hook the ADSL to a linux >box). I haven't networked my TP390E in this way yet, as I really don't >need Internet access on it at this time, mostly repeating what others have >done or suggested. Speaking only as a very satisfied customer, a solution that fits in the "hook the ADSL to a Linux box" category is www.sharethenet.com As I understand it, it's an implementation of Linux that does IP Masquerading and nothing else (not even print serving, which is my #1 enhancement request). You can get source code free, or for U$70, get a Windows app that lets you input the data specific to your network/connection, then generate a bootable 3.5" floppy. The whole thing fits on a 3.5" floppy which you use to boot the gateway machine. Theoretically, if you want the machine for other things when offline, you can pop the floppy and reboot off the HD. I can't imagine that many people bother with that. I'm currently running ShareTheNet on my old 386/25 with two ISA cards. I've administered SunOS in the past and have Linux. But I still haven't gotten around to installing it. The U$70 I paid for STN has paid for itself many times over, even if I abandon it for a full Linux tomorrow! andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 13:23:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03453 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04572; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 13:22:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04433; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04419; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 13:21:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA09889; Thu, 13 May 1999 10:20:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:20:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Robert D. Baron" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <373AFDAF.341931BD@concentric.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 13 May 1999, Robert D. Baron wrote: > Last fall I bought a Brenthaven top loader for my TP600. How much did this cost? I'm trying to look for a case for the 770Z 9549-8AU and it seems the only thing that will fit is the ThinkPad Deluxe 770 Case by Port. I wonder how thick is this case compared to the Targus Air Universal that I have. > It is in the same 'high' price range as the Tumi but is, I believe, > lighter; somewhat more compact, but still holds a lot; and quite rugged > and protective. Hmmm, how heavy are the Tumi and Brenthaven's? The Port case is 5.5 lbs for a 8 lb notebook. > I am pretty particular about my luggage and briefcase collection, and I > am very happy with it. I've travelled quite a bit with it and so far > have no complaints at all. > > See http://www.brenthaven.com/ for details. I went to the site and sorta got lost since their selection is really big. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 13:58:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03900 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07295; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 13:56:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07108; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06925; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 13:53:13 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA24682; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:52:52 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from concentric.net (ts006d22.okc-ok.concentric.net [206.173.177.34]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA19723; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <373B117F.B7E36082@concentric.net> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:53:04 -0500 From: "Robert D. Baron" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > > Last fall I bought a Brenthaven top loader for my TP600. > > How much did this cost? Around $250 from a luggage store in Oklahoma City. > Hmmm, how heavy are the Tumi and Brenthaven's? Don't know. Just think the Tumi is somewhat heavier. The model I bought is called the Topload. See also http://www.brenthaven.com/reviews/mobile/9808cr.htm I have no connection with the company; I just like the product. YMMV. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 14:22:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04224 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09349; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 14:20:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09073; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09044; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 14:20:11 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-247.usc.edu [128.125.224.247]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id LAA09786; Thu, 13 May 1999 11:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990513111337.01c2c720@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:19:29 -0700 To: "Robert D. Baron" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <373B117F.B7E36082@concentric.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:53 PM 5/13/99 -0500, you wrote: >> > Last fall I bought a Brenthaven top loader for my TP600. Robert, I must say, I'm glad you spoke up on this. I wouldn't trade my Portercase for the world, but that's only because I have to carry both a laptop *and* a data projector, not to mention various other boxes of product and/or luggage, so it serves as my all-in-one luggage carrier. But if I were to consider a briefcase only for my laptop, there's no question I'd go straight for the Brenthaven (which I had never heard of until today, thanks to you). I share your taste for high-quality items, and this one certainly fits the bill (and runs *up* the bill! :-). I bought my Port laptop briefcase (not to be confused with my Portercase) 5 years ago with my first Thinkpad and while it is very nice, from what I see on the website & reviews, I believe the Brenthaven really does have it beat. If I were to start over, that's what I'd go get. >> Hmmm, how heavy are the Tumi and Brenthaven's? > >Don't know. Just think the Tumi is somewhat heavier. I'm going from memory, but from what I recall off of one of the reviews I just saw on a website a few minutes ago, the Tumi was a pound or two heavier (the Brenthaven a bit over 3 lbs.--lightest of the batch). - Randy From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 15:18:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04934 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13712; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 15:16:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13474; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13454; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 15:16:06 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26764.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.245]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA28577 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <053b01be9d75$6491be00$f556e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: Subject: Re: WTB Refurbished 770ED (or 600?) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:18:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0538_01BE9D53.DD2F17D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0538_01BE9D53.DD2F17D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ThinkPad 600: 2645-21U $1,392 Factory Refurbished (P233MMX 512KB L2 32MB RAM 3.2GB = 13.0 XGA HPA 24X 56K ACP Win95) ThinkPads 770: 9548-30U $1,488 Factory Refurbished (P233MMX 512KB 32MB RAM 4.0GB 13.3 = XGA TFT Win95) 9548-32U $999 Refurbished (P233MMX 512KB L2 32MB RAM 0GB 13.3 XGA = TFT) Prices are in U.S. $ Please contact me if interested Carlos de la Puente delapuente.carlos@sympatico.ca ------=_NextPart_000_0538_01BE9D53.DD2F17D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ThinkPad 600:
 
2645-21U $1,392 Factory Refurbished = (P233MMX=20 512KB L2 32MB RAM 3.2GB 13.0 XGA HPA 24X 56K ACP Win95)
 
ThinkPads 770:
 
9548-30U $1,488 Factory Refurbished = (P233MMX=20 512KB 32MB RAM 4.0GB 13.3 XGA TFT Win95)
9548-32U    $999 = Refurbished=20 (P233MMX 512KB L2 32MB RAM 0GB 13.3 XGA TFT)
 
Prices are in U.S. $
 
Please contact me if = interested
 
Carlos de la Puente
delapuente.carlos@sympatic= o.ca
 
------=_NextPart_000_0538_01BE9D53.DD2F17D0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 15:30:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05038 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14845; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 15:28:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14680; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14644; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (204.101.251.53 -> smtp11.bellglobal.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 15:28:27 -0400 Received: from mpro1 (HSE-TOR-ppp26764.sympatico.ca [209.226.86.245]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA02205 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <05be01be9d77$1e073350$f556e2d1@mpro1.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "Carlos de la Puente" From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: Subject: Re: WTB Refurbished 770ED (or 600?) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:30:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05BB_01BE9D55.96C4BF50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05BB_01BE9D55.96C4BF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ThinkPad 600: =20 2645-21U $1,392 Factory Refurbished (P233MMX 512KB L2 32MB RAM 3.2GB = 13.0 XGA HPA 24X 56K ACP Win95) ThinkPads 770: =20 9548-30U $1,488 Factory Refurbished (P233MMX 512KB 32MB RAM 4.0GB 13.3 = XGA TFT Win95) 9548-32U $999 Refurbished (P233MMX 512KB L2 32MB RAM 0GB 13.3 XGA = TFT) =20 Prices are in U.S. dollars. =20 Please contact me if interested =20 Carlos de la Puente delapuente.carlos@sympatico.ca =20 ------=_NextPart_000_05BB_01BE9D55.96C4BF50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ThinkPad 600:
 
2645-21U $1,392 Factory Refurbished = (P233MMX=20 512KB L2 32MB RAM 3.2GB 13.0 XGA HPA 24X 56K ACP Win95)
 
ThinkPads 770:
 
9548-30U $1,488 Factory Refurbished = (P233MMX=20 512KB 32MB RAM 4.0GB 13.3 XGA TFT Win95)
9548-32U    $999 = Refurbished=20 (P233MMX 512KB L2 32MB RAM 0GB 13.3 XGA TFT)
 
Prices are in U.S. = dollars.
 
Please contact me if = interested
 
Carlos de la Puente
delapuente.carlos@sympatic= o.ca
 
------=_NextPart_000_05BB_01BE9D55.96C4BF50-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 16:19:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05633 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18429; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 16:16:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18212; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18193; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 16:16:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA10840 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:16:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:16:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU In-Reply-To: <373AFDAF.341931BD@concentric.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I just got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU and just have a question regarding the HDD before I attempt to manually reinstall and clone the apps and data I have on my 385ED 2635-5EU. I would like to take this time to thank Bill, Joy, Randy, Donald, and anyone else I forgot for their tips and advice before. Anyways, I got the 14.1GB Hard Drive model and I noticed in the control panel, there is both a C and the D drive. I thought everything was supposed to be on one drive level rather than two. Now, my question is when I install things, what drive do I put it on or is one of them really a virtual drive letter and I can just put everything on C? I haven't went over 8 GB's for EIDE/SCSI drives on my Desktop under Win95/98 and the big drives usually are for my FreeBSD partitions. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 16:27:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05722 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18896; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 16:20:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18701; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18607; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 16:19:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA10854; Thu, 13 May 1999 13:19:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:19:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Robert D. Baron" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <373B117F.B7E36082@concentric.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 13 May 1999, Robert D. Baron wrote: > > > Last fall I bought a Brenthaven top loader for my TP600. > > > > How much did this cost? > > Around $250 from a luggage store in Oklahoma City. I guess it's worth it as long as the case is built well and lasts a long time. > > Hmmm, how heavy are the Tumi and Brenthaven's? > > Don't know. Just think the Tumi is somewhat heavier. I just hope both of them are lighter than the Port and Targus cases since some of the cases sounds like carrying a ton of metal or something. > The model I bought is called the Topload. > > See also http://www.brenthaven.com/reviews/mobile/9808cr.htm > > I have no connection with the company; I just like the product. > > YMMV. Cool. Thanks for the suggestion. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 21:19:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA08256 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05331; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 21:17:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05170; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05144; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (165.87.194.252 -> out1.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 21:17:41 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip166-72-104-47.nj.us.ibm.net [166.72.104.47]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA146530; Fri, 14 May 1999 01:17:33 GMT Message-ID: <001301be9da8$88bb5ec0$2f6848a6@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" , References: Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:24:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: IBM formats the first 2 gigs as fat 16 and that is your c: drive. The d: drive is the rest (12 gigs) and that is fat32. The reason behind this is that the recovery CD that you received must read a fat16 drive to install. So if you ever plan on reinstalling from the recovery CD then leave the C: drive as fat16. Besides there are a few older widow apps out there that will not work on fat 32 so it's nice to have a fat 16 for those occasions. Fat16 is also limitted to 2 gigs that's why the magic number of 2 gigs on the C: drive. Install you apps wherever you like, you have plenty of room. As for migrating apps from another system, do you have the apps on disk or are you planning on copying them and merging the registry? I think Norton Utilities has a feature that will help with that kind of situation but I found that it never works just right and the registry can suffer. Best to try to do a fresh install of apps and just copy over any data files. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent Poy To: Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 4:16 PM Subject: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU > I just got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU and just have a question > regarding the HDD before I attempt to manually reinstall and clone the > apps and data I have on my 385ED 2635-5EU. I would like to take this time > to thank Bill, Joy, Randy, Donald, and anyone else I forgot for their tips > and advice before. Anyways, I got the 14.1GB Hard Drive model and I > noticed in the control panel, there is both a C and the D drive. I > thought everything was supposed to be on one drive level rather than two. > Now, my question is when I install things, what drive do I put it on or is > one of them really a virtual drive letter and I can just put everything on > C? I haven't went over 8 GB's for EIDE/SCSI drives on my Desktop under > Win95/98 and the big drives usually are for my FreeBSD partitions. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 13 21:24:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA08287 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05821; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 May 1999 21:23:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05673; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05659; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (165.87.194.252 -> out1.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 21:22:58 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip166-72-104-47.nj.us.ibm.net [166.72.104.47]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA81072; Fri, 14 May 1999 01:22:52 GMT Message-ID: <001d01be9da9$46ce1f60$2f6848a6@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" , References: Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:29:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, One thing I forgot to mention. You wrote something about FreeBSD. I also run Linux on my system. If you are planning the same then what you will need to do is make another partition for Linux within the first 1024 cylinders. Usually that means within the first 8 gigs. The best way to do that (that I have found) is use something like partition magic and resize your D: drive. In my case I took the first gig of the D: drive and made that my linux drive. Then I took another 128 megs of the end of the drive and made that the Linux swap file. Runs great. Now if only IBM would write drivers for linux... Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent Poy To: Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 4:16 PM Subject: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU > I just got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU and just have a question > regarding the HDD before I attempt to manually reinstall and clone the > apps and data I have on my 385ED 2635-5EU. I would like to take this time > to thank Bill, Joy, Randy, Donald, and anyone else I forgot for their tips > and advice before. Anyways, I got the 14.1GB Hard Drive model and I > noticed in the control panel, there is both a C and the D drive. I > thought everything was supposed to be on one drive level rather than two. > Now, my question is when I install things, what drive do I put it on or is > one of them really a virtual drive letter and I can just put everything on > C? I haven't went over 8 GB's for EIDE/SCSI drives on my Desktop under > Win95/98 and the big drives usually are for my FreeBSD partitions. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 14 01:44:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA10486 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 01:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14796; Fri, 14 May 1999 01:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 May 1999 01:42:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14643; Fri, 14 May 1999 01:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bups.bilkent.edu.tr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14628; Fri, 14 May 1999 01:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bups.bilkent.edu.tr (139.179.90.34 -> bups.bilkent.edu.tr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 May 1999 01:42:46 -0400 Received: from bups.bilkent.edu.tr (lap-mark.bups.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.90.51]) by bups.bilkent.edu.tr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17699 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 08:42:17 +0300 Message-Id: <199905140542.IAA17699@bups.bilkent.edu.tr> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: unknown X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: EasyServ (or other warranty) e-mail address Wanted Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:45:56 +0300 From: Mark List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone have an e-mail address for warranty service at IBM? Their web site is nice and pretty and not very helpful. I'm living in Turkey, so the standard US toll-free phone call is not an option. Thanks. ---- Mark Bergman -- Mark Bergman bergman@bups.bilkent.edu.tr Computer Coordinator 90-312-266-4961 x141 Bilkent University Prep School Ankara, Turkey -- Mark Bergman bergman@bups.bilkent.edu.tr Computer Coordinator 90-312-266-4961 x141 Bilkent University Prep School Ankara, Turkey From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 14 02:46:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA11021 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 02:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16560; Fri, 14 May 1999 02:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 May 1999 02:45:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16430; Fri, 14 May 1999 02:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16417; Fri, 14 May 1999 02:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 May 1999 02:45:02 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pC19F79ED.dip.t-online.de [193.159.121.237]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id J2GYWM7B; Fri, 14 May 1999 02:44:53 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Donald Mak" , "Vincent Poy" , Subject: RE: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU - Linux 1024th Cylinder info... Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:44:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001d01be9da9$46ce1f60$2f6848a6@thinkpad> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Don and Vincent, One solution to the 1024th Cylinder problem is to install a multi-boot program like System Commander. Although you can set up multiple OSs with a little know-how, without such programs, I have found Sys. Commander to be extremely helpful with the amount of installs and deleting of partitions I do within the average week. It takes a little getting used to, but you get rid of all the limitations that those OSs can impose due to their boot programs (I have successfully run Linux (2 versions), Win NT Workstation, Win95, Win98, and DOS all at the same time without skipping a beat. My secret to keeping important data always accessible to all the partitions/OSs is to set up an extra extended-DOS partition big enough to hold all your data that you definitely want to keep on the machine.) Steve ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) ________________________________________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Donald Mak [mailto:dvmak@ibm.net] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 9:30 PM To: Vincent Poy; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU Vincent, One thing I forgot to mention. You wrote something about FreeBSD. I also run Linux on my system. If you are planning the same then what you will need to do is make another partition for Linux within the first 1024 cylinders. Usually that means within the first 8 gigs. The best way to do that (that I have found) is use something like partition magic and resize your D: drive. In my case I took the first gig of the D: drive and made that my linux drive. Then I took another 128 megs of the end of the drive and made that the Linux swap file. Runs great. Now if only IBM would write drivers for linux... Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent Poy To: Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 4:16 PM Subject: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU > I just got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU and just have a question > regarding the HDD before I attempt to manually reinstall and clone the > apps and data I have on my 385ED 2635-5EU. I would like to take this time > to thank Bill, Joy, Randy, Donald, and anyone else I forgot for their tips > and advice before. Anyways, I got the 14.1GB Hard Drive model and I > noticed in the control panel, there is both a C and the D drive. I > thought everything was supposed to be on one drive level rather than two. > Now, my question is when I install things, what drive do I put it on or is > one of them really a virtual drive letter and I can just put everything on > C? I haven't went over 8 GB's for EIDE/SCSI drives on my Desktop under > Win95/98 and the big drives usually are for my FreeBSD partitions. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 14 03:08:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA11181 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 03:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17882; Fri, 14 May 1999 03:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 May 1999 03:07:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17738; Fri, 14 May 1999 03:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17677; Fri, 14 May 1999 03:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 May 1999 03:06:58 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-45.gate.net [199.227.20.172]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA261802; Fri, 14 May 1999 03:08:16 -0400 Message-ID: <373BCB88.E91863BB@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 03:06:48 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Mak CC: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU References: <001301be9da8$88bb5ec0$2f6848a6@thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Do what i do.. copy the entire preload to a networked drive (i have many generations of these).. then its a simple matter to just copy the whole thing back to a fat16 or a fat32 partition.. does not care.. also, the image on the CD is just a big zip file.. you can unzip it to a HDD of ANY fatxx... :-) and thats MY two bits worth... Donald Mak wrote: > IBM formats the first 2 gigs as fat 16 and that is your c: drive. The d: > drive is the rest (12 gigs) and that is fat32. > The reason behind this is that the recovery CD that you received must read a > fat16 drive to install. So if you ever plan on reinstalling from the > recovery CD then leave the C: drive as fat16. Besides there are a few older > widow apps out there that will not work on fat 32 so it's nice to have a fat > 16 for those occasions. > Fat16 is also limitted to 2 gigs that's why the magic number of 2 gigs on > the C: drive. > Install you apps wherever you like, you have plenty of room. > As for migrating apps from another system, do you have the apps on disk or > are you planning on copying them and merging the registry? I think Norton > Utilities has a feature that will help with that kind of situation but I > found that it never works just right and the registry can suffer. Best to > try to do a fresh install of apps and just copy over any data files. > > Don > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vincent Poy > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 4:16 PM > Subject: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU > > > I just got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU and just have a question > > regarding the HDD before I attempt to manually reinstall and clone the > > apps and data I have on my 385ED 2635-5EU. I would like to take this time > > to thank Bill, Joy, Randy, Donald, and anyone else I forgot for their tips > > and advice before. Anyways, I got the 14.1GB Hard Drive model and I > > noticed in the control panel, there is both a C and the D drive. I > > thought everything was supposed to be on one drive level rather than two. > > Now, my question is when I install things, what drive do I put it on or is > > one of them really a virtual drive letter and I can just put everything on > > C? I haven't went over 8 GB's for EIDE/SCSI drives on my Desktop under > > Win95/98 and the big drives usually are for my FreeBSD partitions. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 14 03:10:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA11213 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 03:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18224; Fri, 14 May 1999 03:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 May 1999 03:09:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18050; Fri, 14 May 1999 03:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18037; Fri, 14 May 1999 03:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 May 1999 03:09:33 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl3-45.gate.net [199.227.20.172]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA261662; Fri, 14 May 1999 03:10:43 -0400 Message-ID: <373BCC1B.F11CD7CC@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 03:09:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EasyServ (or other warranty) e-mail address Wanted References: <199905140542.IAA17699@bups.bilkent.edu.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark.. i think thay'll just refer you to a local reopair center.. not very good, but they won't (at lease last time i heard) do international shipments.. its gotta start from and be returned to a USA address... Mark wrote: > Does anyone have an e-mail address for warranty service at IBM? Their web site > is nice and pretty and not very helpful. I'm living in Turkey, so the standard > US toll-free phone call is not an option. > > Thanks. > ---- > Mark Bergman > > -- > Mark Bergman bergman@bups.bilkent.edu.tr > Computer Coordinator 90-312-266-4961 x141 > Bilkent University Prep School > Ankara, Turkey > > -- > Mark Bergman bergman@bups.bilkent.edu.tr > Computer Coordinator 90-312-266-4961 x141 > Bilkent University Prep School > Ankara, Turkey -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 14 10:23:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA13566 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14055; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 May 1999 10:19:34 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13742; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 May 1999 10:19:32 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id KAA28376 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00248; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:49:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 19:49:16 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a212.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.212]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA26388 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905132349.TAA26388@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a212.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.212] 209.198.80.212 Thu, 13 May 1999 19:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:43:33 -0400 To: TP List In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990513111337.01c2c720@rcf.usc.edu> Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: FWIW from the PC Connection website: A TP 600 battery and carrying case for $229. 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Part No. 12J2464/TP56000 It looks like they are saying this case for the 560 (?) fits the TP600 and is a give away with a new battery. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 14 10:23:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA13574 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14031; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 May 1999 10:18:53 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13719; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 May 1999 10:18:51 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id KAA28366 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29133; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu (128.174.5.45 -> ux5.cso.uiuc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 May 1999 19:28:59 -0400 Received: from bigman (crh4210.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.197.99]) by ux5.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA12902 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:28:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000d01be9d97$9ff049e0$63c57e82@bigman> From: "George Neurauter" To: Subject: i1410 - Removable HD? Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:23:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I have a question about my i1410. I have a 3.2G HD in right now, but it's almost at its limit and I am thinking about doing an upgrade from Control Memory. They supposedly offer a BIOS overlay and a HD caddy to make the HD removeable. I don't know much about this, so I was wondering if someone could tell me if this is a viable option. IBM says the HD is non-removable, so I'm not sure. They also have a non-removeable HD option. The link where this is at is: http://www.controlmemory.com/cgi-bin/product.asp?id=11448&db=notebook&brand= IBM%20Thinkpad Thanks! George Neurauter neurautr@uiuc.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 14 10:49:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA13912 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16630; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 May 1999 10:47:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16433; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16418; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 May 1999 10:47:39 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl7-16.gate.net [199.227.131.143]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA285414; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:48:59 -0400 Message-ID: <373C3781.C1DA76FC@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:47:29 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Neurauter CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: i1410 - Removable HD? References: <000d01be9d97$9ff049e0$63c57e82@bigman> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------16EC4295ECDEEC8216984B46" List-Unsubscribe: --------------16EC4295ECDEEC8216984B46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George... Apricorn (thinkpad proven) and I (cheaper) do the same thing... not sure (yet) what they (Control memory) mean when they say bios overlay, but if its the normal bios overlay its probably EZ Drive or an OnTrack bios overlay which gets loaded first so the drive can be recognised... since i have never seen a 1411 (sold one, but never saw the machine, it was going to germany) so until after 8am pacific time i won't be able to learn much more.. be sure you are getting an IBM drive (they're the best)... I know Apricorn sometimes sells toshiba and other brand drives on occasion, i use IBM unless the lowest price is specifically requested.. then i look for toshiba.. George Neurauter wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a question about my i1410. I have a 3.2G HD in right now, but it's > almost at its limit and I am thinking about doing an upgrade from Control > Memory. They supposedly offer a BIOS overlay and a HD caddy to make the HD > removeable. I don't know much about this, so I was wondering if someone > could tell me if this is a viable option. IBM says the HD is non-removable, > so I'm not sure. They also have a non-removeable HD option. > > The link where this is at is: > > http://www.controlmemory.com/cgi-bin/product.asp?id=11448&db=notebook&brand= > IBM%20Thinkpad > > Thanks! > > George Neurauter > neurautr@uiuc.edu -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------16EC4295ECDEEC8216984B46 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George...
Apricorn (thinkpad proven) and I (cheaper) do the same thing...

not sure (yet) what they (Control memory) mean when they say bios overlay, but if its the normal bios overlay its probably EZ Drive or an OnTrack bios overlay which gets loaded first so the drive can be recognised...

since i have never seen a 1411 (sold one, but never saw the machine, it was going to germany) so until after 8am pacific time i won't be able to learn much more..

be sure you are getting an IBM drive (they're the best)...
I know Apricorn sometimes sells toshiba and other brand drives on occasion, i use IBM unless the lowest price is specifically requested..
then i look for toshiba..

George Neurauter wrote:

Hi all,

I have a question about my i1410. I have a 3.2G HD in right now, but it's
almost at its limit and I am thinking about doing an upgrade from Control
Memory. They supposedly offer a BIOS overlay and a HD caddy to make the HD
removeable. I don't know much about this, so I was wondering if someone
could tell me if this is a viable option. IBM says the HD is non-removable,
so I'm not sure. They also have a non-removeable HD option.

The link where this is at is:

http://www.controlmemory.com/cgi-bin/product.asp?id=11448&db=notebook&brand=
IBM%20Thinkpad

Thanks!

George Neurauter
neurautr@uiuc.edu

 

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net
770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------16EC4295ECDEEC8216984B46-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 14 11:14:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14258 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18667; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 May 1999 11:11:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18401; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18372; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 May 1999 11:11:05 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-187.islandnet.com [139.142.112.187] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10iJbt-000WSeC for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 08:10:49 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:50:20 -0700 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <8U2O34mipZHb092yn@islandnet.com> References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: In article , you wrote: :Anyways, I got the 14.1GB Hard Drive model and I :noticed in the control panel, there is both a C and the D drive. I :thought everything was supposed to be on one drive level rather than two. I use Win95, and have a 6.4 GB disk on my 701. I've partitioned the hard drive into C: through J:. That's, um, how many fingers do I have ... eight ... partitions. It works just fine, it just may be different from what you are used to. With the 2 GB limit of Win95 OSR 1, I'd have to have 4 partitions anyway. I have made some smaller ones to take advantage of sectoring. In particular, my C: drive is 504 MB. It contains the Windows directory. I don't *voluntarily* install any other software on C: in order to leave as much free space as possible for swapping / whatever else Windows does with it. With FAT32, you don't have these partitioning challenges, but I've heard that it is slower than FAT16. However, I'm not sure that FAT16 is an option for you because isn't there an 8 GB barrier of some sort? :Now, my question is when I install things, what drive do I put it on or is :one of them really a virtual drive letter and I can just put everything on :C? I haven't went over 8 GB's for EIDE/SCSI drives on my Desktop under :Win95/98 and the big drives usually are for my FreeBSD partitions. : : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 14 12:05:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA14898 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21923; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 May 1999 12:02:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21695; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot023.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21682; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot023.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.123 -> pilot023.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 May 1999 12:02:54 -0400 Received: from andres (port08.lansing02.tir.com [216.40.130.55]) by pilot023.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA37650 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:02:51 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990514120410.008a89f0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:04:10 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: i1410 - Removable HD? In-Reply-To: <000d01be9d97$9ff049e0$63c57e82@bigman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: When IBM (or anyone else) says that a disk is non-removable, they really mean that it isn't convienant to do it, not that it can't be done. I'm sure that the controller in your 1410 (and my 1451) can indeed take a larger disk. IBM is famous for making markets for its products and the fact that the i Series doesn't have a larger disk is due to their marketing strategy, not a technical one. So, you can upgradge, I'm sure. This place you speak of (controlmemory) sounds interesting. Perhaps someone with experience with them can pipe up and talk about their experiences with them. Remember however, if something "weird" happens you're on your own. IBM won't touch a problem with another disk installed. I'm not sure what the BIOS overlay is for, unless they say that you can make this a readily swappable disk? I don't know anything about that. If you are the advanterous type then it might make sense to do this. I have a 4G disk and while not filled yet, its nice to see one possible escape route already. If you get this, I'm assuming that the easist way to get it installed would be to use your recovery CD on it and bring the system up that way, and then make further mods from there. Thank you for the pointer to this place. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 06:23 PM 5/13/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I have a question about my i1410. I have a 3.2G HD in right now, but it's >almost at its limit and I am thinking about doing an upgrade from Control >Memory. They supposedly offer a BIOS overlay and a HD caddy to make the HD >removeable. I don't know much about this, so I was wondering if someone >could tell me if this is a viable option. IBM says the HD is non-removable, >so I'm not sure. They also have a non-removeable HD option. > >The link where this is at is: > >http://www.controlmemory.com/cgi-bin/product.asp?id=11448&db=notebook&brand= >IBM%20Thinkpad > >Thanks! > >George Neurauter >neurautr@uiuc.edu > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 14 12:28:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15220 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24067; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 May 1999 12:26:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23812; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23798; Fri, 14 May 1999 12:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 May 1999 12:26:43 -0400 Received: from 139-142-112-187.islandnet.com [139.142.112.187] by mail.islandnet.com with smtp id m10iKmw-000WSeC for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 09:26:18 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: bergman@bups.bilkent.edu.tr Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EasyServ (or other warranty) e-mail address Wanted Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:58:35 -0700 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <199905140542.IAA17699@bups.bilkent.edu.tr> In-Reply-To: <199905140542.IAA17699@bups.bilkent.edu.tr> Lines: 27 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: The tiny booklet that came with my TP 701 International Warranty gives: Turkey (Istanbul-1) (90)-1-800-900 However, if you bought the computer not in Turkey, you will have to register the International Warranty. Three years ago that took a month, even though I bought it "Direct" from IBM Good luck! In article <199905140542.IAA17699@bups.bilkent.edu.tr>, you wrote: :Does anyone have an e-mail address for warranty service at IBM? Their web site :is nice and pretty and not very helpful. I'm living in Turkey, so the standard :US toll-free phone call is not an option. : :-- :Mark Bergman bergman@bups.bilkent.edu.tr :Computer Coordinator 90-312-266-4961 x141 :Bilkent University Prep School :Ankara, Turkey : -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 14 14:43:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17030 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03113; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 May 1999 14:40:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02705; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02635; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905141840.OAA02635@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (128.95.79.96 -> tokeru.geology.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 May 1999 14:40:19 -0400 Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Sat, 13 May 1989 11:37:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" , "letoured@sover.net" Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:40:35 +0000 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases List-Unsubscribe: I got one of these last week. The case is truly excellent, but in a bazarre twist, it is designed for the 560. The 600 will not fit in the inner case. It's significantly too thick and just a bit too wide (deep?). They suggested that I leave out the inner case and put the 600 in the outer case. This gives some shock protection, but no dust protection, so I gave the case to my Mom (who has a 560). I wish they made a similar case for the 600. In another bazarre twist, last I checked, they don't offer this deal with 560 batteries. This is a reasonable deal even if you give away the case. Their "remarkable air suspension system" is just regular foam wrapped in stiff vinyl, but it works fine (the wonderful obfuscatory world of marketing). On Thu, 13 May 1999 19:43:33 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >FWIW from the PC Connection website: A TP 600 battery and carrying case >for $229. > > > This Li-Ion battery is intended for use with the ThinkPad 600 >from IBM. It has a one > year warranty and is CE Mark, MOC, NOM, SMA, UL-1950, VCCI >Class 2, MPR-II, > FCC, and CUL rated. > > This case-within-a-case combination offers exceptional >functionality for your > ThinkPad 600 and all its accessories. Designed specifically >to accommodate the > ThinkPad 600, the black, UltraPortable Carrying Case features >a slimline portfolio > which wraps snugly around your ThinkPad and then fits into >the full-size case. The > carrying case features two, saddlebag pockets for an extra >battery, power adapter, > 3.5" drive, CD-ROM drive or cables. On the opposite side, a >large outside pocket > fits your files and other business necessities. Protection >includes the innovative > PORT Patented Air Cushioning System. The durable leather-like >material provides > you miles of wear and tear. Retractable handles, shoulder >strap and lightweight > design complete this briefcase as the choice for mobile >professionals. Whether > traveling down the hall or around the world, this case offers >the protection, style > and quality you demand. > > Shipping Weight 5.6 lbs > Mfr. Part No. 12J2464/TP56000 > > > >It looks like they are saying this case for the 560 (?) fits the TP600 and >is a give away with a new battery. > >_____________ >letoured@sover.net > ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 14 15:43:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18000 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08125; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 May 1999 15:41:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07840; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07821; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (207.66.82.36 -> mailer.cia-g.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 May 1999 15:41:24 -0400 Received: from raybay (gup-105-dpm3.cia-g.com [207.66.82.228]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA07846 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:41:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <021701be9e41$07ae9f60$e45242cf@raybay> From: "Ray Bay" To: Subject: Thinkpad Adapters Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:36:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I have an extra adapter and found it was a major improvement in my portability and security. What If I had lost one in a hotel room? Now I would like to get an additional one for my daughter's think pad, so would appreciate the port website address or anything else you learn about how and where. From: Randal Whittle > I'm thinking I might buy a spare AC adapter anyway. Saw what appeared to > be a really neat thin & light one on PORT's web page (when we had the > discussion on computer cases). Anyone have any experience with it? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 14 15:48:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18128 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09004; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 May 1999 15:46:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08683; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08656; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (207.66.82.36 -> mailer.cia-g.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 May 1999 15:46:45 -0400 Received: from raybay (gup-105-dpm3.cia-g.com [207.66.82.228]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22722 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 13:46:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <021f01be9e41$c70048a0$e45242cf@raybay> From: "Brillig" To: Subject: Port Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:41:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Port is www.port.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 14 16:34:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18804 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11970; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 May 1999 16:32:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11732; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from intrex.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11719; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from intrex.net (209.42.192.246) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 May 1999 16:32:10 -0400 Received: from ts_slug.intrex.net [209.42.199.58] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id A878C8560132; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:32:56 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990514145636.009a87a0@mail.intrex.net> X-Sender: rick@mail.intrex.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:32:03 -0400 To: vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM From: Rick Floyd Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check out: http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about the same size as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED well. It's much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback to the Tenba case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both because it has enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and several large books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much everything padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external pockets for things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your investment, or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has become my preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable and well made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the 770 (in a padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of small books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba case provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of lugging them around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until the first time... Rick From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 14 18:39:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20472 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17574; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 May 1999 18:32:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17382; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17369; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 May 1999 18:32:53 -0400 Received: (qmail 18560 invoked by uid 66); 14 May 1999 22:33:31 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Fri May 14 22:33:31 1999 -0000 Received: by seneca (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m10iPgz-000DhCC; Fri, 14 May 99 23:40 MET DST To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: not-for-mail From: Harald Milz Newsgroups: local.ml.thinkpad Subject: Re: TP 600: Linux & external monitor Date: 14 May 1999 21:40:29 GMT Organization: Linux.DE Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7hi58d$7dp$1@seneca.muc.de> References: <37370ADB.1BEBA758@ai.univie.ac.at> Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Host: seneca.muc.de X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980618 (UNIX) (Linux/2.0.35 (i586)) List-Unsubscribe: Johannes Fuernkranz wrote: > Whenever I start up 'startx' with an external monitor attached, the > screen blanks out and the LCD screen turns itself on (but displays > black). I have to press Fn+F7 three times to get a display on the > external monitors. > Does anybody have an idea? -> README.neo in the XFree86 docs... especially chapter 3. -- Angels we have heard on High Tell us to go out and Buy. -- Tom Lehrer From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 15 11:56:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA26728 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 11:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24413; Sat, 15 May 1999 11:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 15 May 1999 11:53:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24182; Sat, 15 May 1999 11:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24169; Sat, 15 May 1999 11:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 May 1999 11:52:56 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA14657 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 11:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990515114804.0096e2d0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:52:49 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: pcmcia slot 1 problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have an old TP560 and an IBM Home&Away ethernet/modem card. I've been using it in the bottom pcmcia slot. When I insert the card in the top slot the system immediately hangs, requiring cycling the power to restart. This happens both under win95b and linux. My Practical Peripherals modem card works fine in both slots. (Using the H&A card in the bottom slot is not an acceptable alternative - I want to put two NICs in the machine and the H&A card blocks the top slot if in the bottom) Any ideas as to what's wrong and how to fix it? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 15 17:15:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA29021 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 17:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03021; Sat, 15 May 1999 17:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 15 May 1999 17:13:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02824; Sat, 15 May 1999 17:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02802; Sat, 15 May 1999 17:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.39 -> mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 May 1999 17:13:39 -0400 Received: from 20.chicago-13-14rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.153.20]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990515211335.BVSI7125@20.chicago-13-14rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 21:13:35 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM 701 dis-assembly Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:12:35 GMT Message-ID: <3744e09a.33779613@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Been playing with my 701 recently (which is how I discovered my battery was dead!) and I'm thinking of upgrading the hard drive. Lots of people do it, but no one seems to have posted a web page about it. Anyone got any tips before I do my usual ham-handed tinkering? I just want to remove the drive from the caddy so I can use it in the 500 and up the 701 to a GB or so. epbrown (who has decided that rather than a collection of "stock" subnotebooks, he'd rather have them all tricked out :-) Skull: "We've got an unwritten rule that anyone who isn't earning his age in thousands is a loser. You're 33 and you only make 29 grand a year, so that means you've been a loser for..." Harvey: "...four years." Skull: "Exactly, and since we don't *hire* losers, I'm afraid..." -From the movie "Serial" From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 15 21:55:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA00985 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 21:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09441; Sat, 15 May 1999 21:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 15 May 1999 21:54:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09253; Sat, 15 May 1999 21:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09240; Sat, 15 May 1999 21:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 May 1999 21:54:10 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id VAA17216 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 21:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990515214944.0096d290@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:54:01 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: FRU list? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I discovered that if I hit A while in the ez-setup screen on my old 560, I can run diagnostics on the pcmcia slots, which resulted: DEV 080 ERR 33 FRU 7210 How do I translate this to something meaningful? Preferrably something which will indicate how to fix the problem. The 560 is out of warranty, btw. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 15 23:27:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA01575 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11633; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 15 May 1999 23:26:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11396; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11383; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 May 1999 23:26:16 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-15.gate.net [207.36.212.15]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA227434; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:27:39 -0400 Message-ID: <373E3AD0.AA0AF909@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:26:08 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Emanuel Brown CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM 701 dis-assembly References: <3744e09a.33779613@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the 701 will take up to 6.4gigs.. you'll need a T-6 torx driver to remove the screws that hold the drive in the HDD shell (caddy, if you insist) be careful seperating the drive from the header plug.. insert the new drive and, unless you want to drill some holes in the old HDD shell, just use either double side tape to hold the drive in place.. if the new drive is a 12.5mm drive, you really don't need to do anything, just slide it in and go.. (do NOT use the shorting jumper from the old drive on the new drive.. its not needed.. i've been using 6.4gig and 720meg drives in my 701C's.. the small drives are in the original preload machine(s) running antique apps.. the larger drives are required for MS Bloatware.. :-) Emanuel Brown wrote: > Been playing with my 701 recently (which is how I discovered my battery > was dead!) and I'm thinking of upgrading the hard drive. Lots of people do > it, but no one seems to have posted a web page about it. Anyone got any > tips before I do my usual ham-handed tinkering? I just want to remove the > drive from the caddy so I can use it in the 500 and up the 701 to a GB or > so. > epbrown (who has decided that rather than a collection of "stock" > subnotebooks, he'd rather have them all tricked out :-) > > Skull: "We've got an unwritten rule that anyone who isn't earning his age in > thousands is a loser. You're 33 and you only make 29 grand a year, so that > means you've been a loser for..." > Harvey: "...four years." > Skull: "Exactly, and since we don't *hire* losers, I'm afraid..." > -From the movie "Serial" -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 15 23:42:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA01673 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12219; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 15 May 1999 23:41:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12068; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12054; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 May 1999 23:41:22 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-15.gate.net [207.36.212.15]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA419840; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:42:47 -0400 Message-ID: <373E3E5B.304921AC@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:41:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FRU list? References: <4.1.19990515214944.0096d290@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Richard... FWIW: richard wrote: > I discovered that if I hit A while in the ez-setup screen on my old > 560, I can run diagnostics on the pcmcia slots, which resulted: > > DEV 080 this is the device id..080 = PCMCIA > ERR 33 this is associated with the above code, but i can't find it in my hardware manual.. > FRU 7210 72 = PCMCIA slot assembly, (no surprise here)10 = System board with the leftmost two digits the most likely problem part.. > > > How do I translate this to something meaningful? Preferrably something > which will indicate how to fix the problem. > the PCMCIA assembly is a plug in part, but its only the socket assembly and not the support chips..it could be that it needs to be reseated.. hard to say.. hope this helps.. > The 560 is out of warranty, btw. the one year warranty was one of my complaints about the 560 series.. the 570 has a 3 year warranty..! -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 15 23:44:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA01689 for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12702; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 15 May 1999 23:43:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12365; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12253; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 May 1999 23:42:38 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-15.gate.net [207.36.212.15]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA244632; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:43:57 -0400 Message-ID: <373E3EA2.C866FEAF@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:42:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: FRU list? References: <4.1.19990515214944.0096d290@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: BTW: there should be more info on the IBM hardware pages on the IBM web site.. richard wrote: > I discovered that if I hit A while in the ez-setup screen on my old > 560, I can run diagnostics on the pcmcia slots, which resulted: > > DEV 080 > ERR 33 > FRU 7210 > > How do I translate this to something meaningful? Preferrably something > which will indicate how to fix the problem. > > The 560 is out of warranty, btw. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... 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------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BEA038.605EF080-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 16 22:21:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA10289 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 22:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25054; Sun, 16 May 1999 22:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 May 1999 22:17:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24868; Sun, 16 May 1999 22:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24854; Sun, 16 May 1999 22:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 May 1999 22:16:55 -0400 Received: from 111.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.171.111]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990517021652.DONB2391@111.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 02:16:52 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM Parts Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 02:15:55 GMT Message-ID: <37407b36.5283048@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I ordered a part from IBM online for the first time and wondered if someone else that has can provide some information. Like how they ship! They don't tell you the shipping charges, the company, or anything. Will it come FedEx, UPS, USPS, carrier pigeon, what? And how much will it cost? epbrown Skull: "We've got an unwritten rule that anyone who isn't earning his age in thousands is a loser. You're 33 and you only make 29 grand a year, so that means you've been a loser for..." Harvey: "...four years." Skull: "Exactly, and since we don't *hire* losers, I'm afraid..." -From the movie "Serial" From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 16 23:55:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA11035 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01904; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 May 1999 23:52:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01672; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01659; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (204.182.16.2 -> tdl.tdl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 May 1999 23:52:28 -0400 Received: from chuck (tdl-dyn232.tdl.com [205.162.12.232]) by tdl.tdl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA14900 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 20:52:22 -0700 Message-Id: <199905170352.UAA14900@tdl.tdl.com> From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 20:51:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: IBM Parts Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <37407b36.5283048@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) List-Unsubscribe: On 17 May 99, at 2:15, Emanuel Brown wrote: > I ordered a part from IBM online for the first time and wondered if > someone else that has can provide some information. Like how they ship! > They don't tell you the shipping charges, the company, or anything. Will it > come FedEx, UPS, USPS, carrier pigeon, what? And how much will it cost? It is a strange system. When I ordered a couple of items I had the same experience you described. Sometime the following day I got an automated email that was sort of like an invoice. Part arriving within a week via UPS ground. It was only then that I knew for sure what the total charge was. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 00:06:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA11124 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03632; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 00:03:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02876; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02863; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (207.66.82.36 -> mailer.cia-g.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 00:02:58 -0400 Received: from raybay (gup-027-dpm1.cia-g.com [207.66.82.91]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA27468; Sun, 16 May 1999 22:02:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000201bea019$62c5a860$5b5242cf@raybay> From: "Ray Bay" To: "Emanuel Brown" , References: <37407b36.5283048@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: IBM Parts Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:57:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Everything I have received from IBM was Federal Express or (rarely) Purolator. It was always expensive. IBM charged me for the Box and handling and gave me no choice over the speed of service which would have made a big dollar difference. Not that they are more aggressive on the consumer end, it could be cheaper... If from EasyServe, it will be quite expensive. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 00:18:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA11263 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06972; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 00:15:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06666; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06641; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 00:15:46 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl7-11.gate.net [199.227.131.138]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA244708; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:17:10 -0400 Message-ID: <373F97E8.DC6562AC@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:15:37 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Emanuel Brown CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Parts References: <37407b36.5283048@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i've never ordered from ibm online.. always from boulder parts where you DO know the total charge, the method of shipping (ground or next day (airborne usually)) and if the item is in stock or on backorder.. Emanuel Brown wrote: > I ordered a part from IBM online for the first time and wondered if > someone else that has can provide some information. Like how they ship! > They don't tell you the shipping charges, the company, or anything. Will it > come FedEx, UPS, USPS, carrier pigeon, what? And how much will it cost? > epbrown > > Skull: "We've got an unwritten rule that anyone who isn't earning his age in > thousands is a loser. You're 33 and you only make 29 grand a year, so that > means you've been a loser for..." > Harvey: "...four years." > Skull: "Exactly, and since we don't *hire* losers, I'm afraid..." > -From the movie "Serial" -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 01:08:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA11469 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 01:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15680; Mon, 17 May 1999 01:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 01:05:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15174; Mon, 17 May 1999 01:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15161; Mon, 17 May 1999 01:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (149.159.1.1 -> fallout.campusview.indiana.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 01:05:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA62732; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:05:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:05:08 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Emanuel Brown cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Parts In-Reply-To: <37407b36.5283048@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 17 May 1999, Emanuel Brown wrote: > I ordered a part from IBM online for the first time and wondered if > someone else that has can provide some information. Like how they ship! > They don't tell you the shipping charges, the company, or anything. Will it > come FedEx, UPS, USPS, carrier pigeon, what? And how much will it cost? Order by phone and the friendly person on the other end will tell you everything. Last thing I ordered was sent UPS and there were no shipping charges. -john From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 12:35:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA16229 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26777; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 12:26:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26429; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26415; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (140.142.78.6 -> jason05.u.washington.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 12:26:36 -0400 Received: from dante30.u.washington.edu (ranger5@dante30.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.104]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id JAA21138; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:26:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (ranger5@localhost) by dante30.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id JAA64688; Mon, 17 May 1999 09:26:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:26:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Kokaly" To: Emanuel Brown cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM 701 dis-assembly In-Reply-To: <3744e09a.33779613@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: The only difficult part I had was drilling new holes for the screws. Unfortunately, I did not have a drill bit with a countersink. So instead I drilled the smaller hole and used bigger and bigger drill bits on the outside to get the countersink I needed. I cannot remember what size drill bits I used exactly. I would recommend finding the right countersink bit though, it would be much easier. Also, when you measure for the holes, measure and remeasure! There is not alot of clearance. You absolutely need the countersink for the screws, otherwise it will not fit. This is assuming of course you are going to adapt the old caddy. I think that portable enhancements was selling a caddy for $29. I think that the 720MB drives were the last ones that used the old screw placements. I have used a 2GB Toshiba and a 4.8GB IBM without trouble (12.7mm of course). Other than that, it's basically pulg and chug. I also applied some electrical tape to the circuit board in places I was worried it would contact the case, just in case. Matt On Sat, 15 May 1999, Emanuel Brown wrote: > Been playing with my 701 recently (which is how I discovered my battery > was dead!) and I'm thinking of upgrading the hard drive. Lots of people do > it, but no one seems to have posted a web page about it. Anyone got any > tips before I do my usual ham-handed tinkering? I just want to remove the > drive from the caddy so I can use it in the 500 and up the 701 to a GB or > so. > epbrown (who has decided that rather than a collection of "stock" > subnotebooks, he'd rather have them all tricked out :-) > > Skull: "We've got an unwritten rule that anyone who isn't earning his age in > thousands is a loser. You're 33 and you only make 29 grand a year, so that > means you've been a loser for..." > Harvey: "...four years." > Skull: "Exactly, and since we don't *hire* losers, I'm afraid..." > -From the movie "Serial" > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 13:28:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16902 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00412; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 13:17:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00167; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0f.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00152; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0f.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.35 -> www0f.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 13:17:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 13875 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 1999 17:17:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19990517171702.13874.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.35 by www0f via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Mon May 17 17:17:02 GMT 1999 Date: 17 May 99 12:17:02 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Battery Woes on 770 X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I have a 770 (2548-30U) that has served me well for over a year. I now h= ave a battery problem with it. Today when I plugged it in the battery meter was at 88%. This is odd, be= cause it is always either plugged in or turned off, and therefore always sits a= t 100%. It charged up to about 97%, then stopped. I unplugged it to run t= he battery down enough to start the charger, but in a few minutes the displa= y was flashing 0%. I had to remove the battery to get this behaviour to stop. = After the removal and plugging it back in, it started charging (at a seem= ingly normal rate), but it stopped at 22%. = Any ideas what may have happened? Is it time to call EasyServe? Thanks, Rob rbell1@netscape.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 13:31:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16941 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01645; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 13:29:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01389; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eecs.uic.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01333; Mon, 17 May 1999 13:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eecs.uic.edu (131.193.32.27 -> mail.eecs.uic.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 13:29:42 -0400 Received: from chicago.ParSysLab (chicago.eecs.uic.edu [131.193.39.114]) by mail.eecs.uic.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA19166; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:30:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from atlanta.eecs.uic.edu by chicago.ParSysLab (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA12083; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:29:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.eecs.uic.edu [127.0.0.1]) by atlanta.eecs.uic.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20364; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:29:32 -0500 (CDT) To: rbell1@netscape.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: solworth@parsys.eecs.uic.edu Subject: Re: Battery Woes on 770 From: Jon Solworth In-Reply-To: Your message of "17 May 99 12:17:02 CDT" <19990517171702.13874.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net> References: <19990517171702.13874.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 20.3 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990517122932I.solworth@parsys.eecs.uic.edu> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:29:32 -0500 X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 36 List-Unsubscribe: I had a battery die after 11 months, but with a bit different failure mode. It started at 100 and went down to high 80s and then jumped down to 5%. IBM recommends going through 3-6 charge discharge cycles. I did that and the battery would no longer charge at all. IBM replaced it (it was still under warrantee). But the support guy told me the battery should last 3 years. Jon From: Rob Bell Subject: Battery Woes on 770 Date: 17 May 99 12:17:02 CDT > Hello, > > I have a 770 (2548-30U) that has served me well for over a year. I now have a > battery problem with it. > > Today when I plugged it in the battery meter was at 88%. This is odd, because > it is always either plugged in or turned off, and therefore always sits at > 100%. It charged up to about 97%, then stopped. I unplugged it to run the > battery down enough to start the charger, but in a few minutes the display was > flashing 0%. I had to remove the battery to get this behaviour to stop. > After the removal and plugging it back in, it started charging (at a seemingly > normal rate), but it stopped at 22%. > > Any ideas what may have happened? Is it time to call EasyServe? > > Thanks, > Rob > rbell1@netscape.net > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 14:29:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17633 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05505; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 14:27:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05329; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww184.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05315; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww184.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.84 -> ww184.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 14:26:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 771 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 1999 18:26:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19990517182653.770.qmail@ww184.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.84 by ww184 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Mon May 17 18:26:53 GMT 1999 Date: 17 May 99 13:26:53 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Battery Woes on 770 X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to the people who replied with help for my battery problem. I cal= led EasyServe and explained the problem. They didn't blink at sending out a = new battery, even though my 770 is just over a year old. And I didn't have t= o go through the charge/discharge test thing either. = Now hopefully it is the battery that's the problem. The other option (according to the tech) is a failing DC-DC convertor onboard. This would= cause me to have to send in the unit. Not killer, but not desirable. Thanks again! Rob Jon Solworth wrote: > = > Rob, > = > Its 1 year. But I would ask them to replace it anyway (after doing= > the recommended charge-discharge cycles). > = > Tell them that mine died (770E) and someone reported a 600's dying.= > By the way, the part numbers that came on the new batery were different= from > those on the old, indicating there might be some design problem associa= ted > with them. > = > good luck, > Jon > = > From: Rob Bell > Subject: Re: Battery Woes on 770 > Date: 17 May 99 12:36:27 CDT > = > > Any idea what the warranty length is on a 770 battery? I've had the ThinkPad > > for about 13 months. > > = > > Thanks, > > Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 14:55:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17854 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07012; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 14:43:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06745; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06723; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (207.66.82.36 -> mailer.cia-g.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 14:43:05 -0400 Received: from raybay (gup-093-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.173]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA03710; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:42:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <02e001bea094$4f655ec0$8c5242cf@raybay> From: "Brillig" To: "Rob Bell" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <19990517171702.13874.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: Battery Woes on 770 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:37:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Many batteries begin to fade after they have gone through some heavy use for year... maybe it is time to get it rebuilt, and buy a new one while the rebuild is taking place. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 17:05:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19206 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15573; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 17:03:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15338; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15323; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 17:02:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06535; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:02:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:02:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU In-Reply-To: <001301be9da8$88bb5ec0$2f6848a6@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 13 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > IBM formats the first 2 gigs as fat 16 and that is your c: drive. The d: > drive is the rest (12 gigs) and that is fat32. Yep, I figured this part out. > The reason behind this is that the recovery CD that you received must read a > fat16 drive to install. So if you ever plan on reinstalling from the > recovery CD then leave the C: drive as fat16. Besides there are a few older > widow apps out there that will not work on fat 32 so it's nice to have a fat > 16 for those occasions. Hmmm, like which apps? I have apps from 1985 that works fine in FAT32. > Fat16 is also limitted to 2 gigs that's why the magic number of 2 gigs on > the C: drive. > Install you apps wherever you like, you have plenty of room. > As for migrating apps from another system, do you have the apps on disk or > are you planning on copying them and merging the registry? I think Norton > Utilities has a feature that will help with that kind of situation but I > found that it never works just right and the registry can suffer. Best to > try to do a fresh install of apps and just copy over any data files. Not all my apps are on disk. I have tried using Norton/QUarterdeck Cleansweep Transport and it works for some apps while it fails on some others. Some of the apps are from the internet and I no longer have the email with my registration code on it anymore. Just out of curiousity, does the 770Z come with any sort of Lotus SmartSuite type software since it's not on my drive. Also, another thing is I got my 385ED and 770Z connected via 100BaseT Cross-Over Ethernet cable and it works with NetBeui but how do I set it up for tcp/ip without a hub or gateway address since all I have now are 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 for the IP's without a gateway IP address defined. Also, it seems like CPUIdle and RawPower hang the machine when starting up. Did anyone else have this problem before? Another thing I noticed about the modem is that it connects at 40k and then drops down to 32k for the rest of the session and the telnet sessions are really slow. I was using the ThinkPad modem monitor to monitor this. The 3Com/Megahertz 3CCFEM556B 10/100 LAN + 56k X2/v90 modem card I had in my 385ED connects at 35k-40k max with the 770Z while if I plug it back into the 385ED, it is back at 45k again and transfer rates and everything is a lot faster, anyone have any ideas how I can fix this since I thought modems aren't hardware dependent in terms of speed. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vincent Poy > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 4:16 PM > Subject: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU > > > > I just got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU and just have a question > > regarding the HDD before I attempt to manually reinstall and clone the > > apps and data I have on my 385ED 2635-5EU. I would like to take this time > > to thank Bill, Joy, Randy, Donald, and anyone else I forgot for their tips > > and advice before. Anyways, I got the 14.1GB Hard Drive model and I > > noticed in the control panel, there is both a C and the D drive. I > > thought everything was supposed to be on one drive level rather than two. > > Now, my question is when I install things, what drive do I put it on or is > > one of them really a virtual drive letter and I can just put everything on > > C? I haven't went over 8 GB's for EIDE/SCSI drives on my Desktop under > > Win95/98 and the big drives usually are for my FreeBSD partitions. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 17:11:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19253 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16613; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 17:08:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16126; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15922; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 17:06:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06576; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:06:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:06:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU In-Reply-To: <001d01be9da9$46ce1f60$2f6848a6@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 13 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: Hi Donald, > One thing I forgot to mention. You wrote something about FreeBSD. I also run > Linux on my system. If you are planning the same then what you will need to > do is make another partition for Linux within the first 1024 cylinders. > Usually that means within the first 8 gigs. Actually, with FreeBSD, it can go up to 4 terabytes within the first partition. > The best way to do that (that I have found) is use something like partition > magic and resize your D: drive. In my case I took the first gig of the D: > drive and made that my linux drive. Then I took another 128 megs of the end > of the drive and made that the Linux swap file. Runs great. Now if only IBM > would write drivers for linux... YEp, I used PartitionMagic 4.0 to resize the C: drive to 14 gigs. I lose my PM 3.0 somewhere in my house so had to buy PM4.0 just to do this. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vincent Poy > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 4:16 PM > Subject: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU > > > > I just got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU and just have a question > > regarding the HDD before I attempt to manually reinstall and clone the > > apps and data I have on my 385ED 2635-5EU. I would like to take this time > > to thank Bill, Joy, Randy, Donald, and anyone else I forgot for their tips > > and advice before. Anyways, I got the 14.1GB Hard Drive model and I > > noticed in the control panel, there is both a C and the D drive. I > > thought everything was supposed to be on one drive level rather than two. > > Now, my question is when I install things, what drive do I put it on or is > > one of them really a virtual drive letter and I can just put everything on > > C? I haven't went over 8 GB's for EIDE/SCSI drives on my Desktop under > > Win95/98 and the big drives usually are for my FreeBSD partitions. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 17:13:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19275 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16274; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 17:05:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15661; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15601; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 17:04:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06552; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:04:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:04:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Jonathan Berry cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU In-Reply-To: <8U2O34mipZHb092yn@islandnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 13 May 1999, Jonathan Berry wrote: > In article , you wrote: > :Anyways, I got the 14.1GB Hard Drive model and I > :noticed in the control panel, there is both a C and the D drive. I > :thought everything was supposed to be on one drive level rather than two. > > I use Win95, and have a 6.4 GB disk on my 701. I've > partitioned the hard drive into C: through J:. That's, um, how > many fingers do I have ... eight ... partitions. It works just > fine, it just may be different from what you are used to. > With the 2 GB limit of Win95 OSR 1, I'd have to have 4 partitions > anyway. I have made some smaller ones to take advantage of > sectoring. In particular, my C: drive is 504 MB. It contains > the Windows directory. I don't *voluntarily* install any other > software on C: in order to leave as much free space as possible > for swapping / whatever else Windows does with it. > > With FAT32, you don't have these partitioning challenges, but > I've heard that it is slower than FAT16. However, I'm not sure > that FAT16 is an option for you because isn't there an 8 GB > barrier of some sort? Fat16 is limited to 2 gigs. I repartitioned to 14GB using PartitionMagic so I would only have one C: drive. > :Now, my question is when I install things, what drive do I put it on or is > :one of them really a virtual drive letter and I can just put everything on > :C? I haven't went over 8 GB's for EIDE/SCSI drives on my Desktop under > :Win95/98 and the big drives usually are for my FreeBSD partitions. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 17:17:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19359 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17587; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 17:14:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17254; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17183; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 17:14:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06616; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:14:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:13:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Steven N. Fettig" cc: Donald Mak , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU - Linux 1024th Cylinder info... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 14 May 1999, Steven N. Fettig wrote: Hi Steve and Donald, System Commander sure does work well for booting multiple-OSes. I need to upgrade my System Commander to support Fat32 partitions. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Don and Vincent, > One solution to the 1024th Cylinder problem is to install a multi-boot > program like System Commander. Although you can set up multiple OSs with a > little know-how, without such programs, I have found Sys. Commander to be > extremely helpful with the amount of installs and deleting of partitions I > do within the average week. It takes a little getting used to, but you get > rid of all the limitations that those OSs can impose due to their boot > programs (I have successfully run Linux (2 versions), Win NT Workstation, > Win95, Win98, and DOS all at the same time without skipping a beat. My > secret to keeping important data always accessible to all the partitions/OSs > is to set up an extra extended-DOS partition big enough to hold all your > data that you definitely want to keep on the machine.) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 17:19:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19376 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17993; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 17:17:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17605; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17531; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 17:16:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06647; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:16:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:16:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Donald Mak , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU In-Reply-To: <373BCB88.E91863BB@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 14 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > Do what i do.. > copy the entire preload to a networked drive (i have many generations of > these).. then its a simple matter to just copy the whole thing back to a fat16 > or a fat32 partition.. > does not care.. > also, the image on the CD is just a big zip file.. > you can unzip it to a HDD of ANY fatxx... :-) > > and thats MY two bits worth... Thanks Bill =) Never knew it was just a big Zip file. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 17:23:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19415 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18719; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 17:21:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18440; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18358; Mon, 17 May 1999 17:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 17:21:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06679; Mon, 17 May 1999 14:21:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:21:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Rick Floyd cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990514145636.009a87a0@mail.intrex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: Hello Rick, > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check out: > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about the same size > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the TP's. > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED well. It's > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback to the Tenba > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both because it has > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and several large > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much everything > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external pockets for > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your investment, > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? Speaking about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was just curious where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z in the case? > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has become my > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable and well > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the 770 (in a > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of small > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba case > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of lugging them > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until the first > time... Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a backpack for school. > Rick Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 18:38:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20186 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23382; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 18:34:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22789; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22722; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 18:34:22 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-225.gate.net [199.227.173.225]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA73836; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:35:42 -0400 Message-ID: <37409961.47F15B04@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:34:09 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Rick Floyd , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On those rare occasions that i actually GO someplace with my 770Z, i use a zero haliburton camera case.. hard aluminum and weather tight with acombination lock.. i have sold a few port defcon-III cases and they LOOK nice with the remote control burglar alarm and a bunch of pockets.. my cost is $110~ and i sell them for $125 or thereabouts.. (this is NOT a commercial) Vincent Poy wrote: > On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: > > Hello Rick, > > > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check out: > > > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about the same size > > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. > > I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the TP's. > > > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED well. It's > > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback to the Tenba > > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both because it has > > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and several large > > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much everything > > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external pockets for > > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your investment, > > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. > > How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? Speaking > about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was just curious > where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z in the case? > > > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has become my > > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable and well > > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the 770 (in a > > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of small > > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba case > > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of lugging them > > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until the first > > time... > > Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a backpack > for school. > > > Rick > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 18:39:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20191 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23380; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 18:35:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22798; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22711; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (207.69.200.32 -> smtp2.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 18:34:16 -0400 Received: from WilliamArmstrong (user-2iveajn.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.42.119]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA16060 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "William Armstrong" To: Subject: FW: TP Carrying Cases Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:35:06 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, I have the TENBA case, not the C434, which is a newer design. The C434 is designed for vertical organization and shows a laptop inserted in to the case long side up. I can't tell from the drawing if the laptop is in it's own insert sleeve or not. The case I have has an insert for the laptop. It's a little small for the 770's extra width, but otherwise is an the whole case is excellent. I especially like it for the backpack harness that I purchased separately. This allows me to carry my laptop on my back to meetings around the city (NYC) or on trips. I am thinking about also getting a dedicated backpack as I see there are now a couple of companies that have a good backpack design that will hold the 770. I could use the backpack for more casual trips, etc. BTW, was it you Vincent who recently bought the 770Z from PC CONNECTION? Did it come with the Video Adapter? -Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:21 PM To: Rick Floyd Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: Hello Rick, > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check out: > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about the same size > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the TP's. > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED well. It's > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback to the Tenba > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both because it has > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and several large > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much everything > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external pockets for > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your investment, > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? Speaking about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was just curious where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z in the case? > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has become my > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable and well > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the 770 (in a > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of small > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba case > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of lugging them > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until the first > time... Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a backpack for school. > Rick Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 18:50:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20319 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24131; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 18:48:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24034; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web708.mail.yahoo.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24021; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web708.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.23.28 -> web708.mail.yahoo.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 18:48:53 -0400 Message-ID: <19990517225012.28805.rocketmail@web708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.150.11.12] by web708.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:50:12 PDT Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:50:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Shahram Javey Subject: Does the TP 570 have build-in stereo speakers? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Does the TP 570 have build-in stereo speakers? tnx...sj _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 18:56:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20409 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24670; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 18:55:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24589; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24576; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 18:55:47 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19512; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37409E6E.9C82C6EA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:55:42 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shahram Javey CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Does the TP 570 have build-in stereo speakers? References: <19990517225012.28805.rocketmail@web708.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes. --Lee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 19:07:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20508 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25442; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 19:05:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25288; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25266; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.erols.com (207.172.3.235 -> smtp2.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 19:05:10 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA17684; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990517190351.0097c370@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:04:54 -0400 To: Vincent Poy From: richard Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <001301be9da8$88bb5ec0$2f6848a6@thinkpad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:02 PM 5/17/99 -0700, you wrote: >problem before? Another thing I noticed about the modem is that it >connects at 40k and then drops down to 32k for the rest of the session and Which app gives the current speed of the built-in modem? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 20:02:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20953 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28064; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 19:57:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27850; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27837; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.117 -> pilot017.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 19:57:34 -0400 Received: from andres (port27.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.166]) by pilot017.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA32344 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 19:57:30 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990517195951.008b1600@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:59:51 -0400 To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Rebuilding batteries? In-Reply-To: <02e001bea094$4f655ec0$8c5242cf@raybay> References: <19990517171702.13874.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Is there a place that economically rebuilds batteries? I'd like to know, just for future reference. Thanks! --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 12:37 PM 5/17/99 -0600, Brillig wrote: >Many batteries begin to fade after they have gone through some heavy use for >year... maybe it is time to get it rebuilt, and buy a new one while the >rebuild is taking place. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 20:12:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA21029 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29122; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 20:10:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29003; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28990; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (207.229.143.11 -> thor.enteract.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 20:10:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 1595 invoked from network); 18 May 1999 00:10:42 -0000 Received: from 207-229-173-231.d.enteract.com (HELO personal) (207.229.173.231) by thor.enteract.com with SMTP; 18 May 1999 00:10:42 -0000 Message-ID: <004f01bea0c3$5a144fa0$02000003@personal> Reply-To: "Stan Mocek" From: "Stan Mocek" To: Subject: TrackPoint malfunction on 560X Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:14:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I've run into a problem with my 560X. When I boot up, the left button on the TrackPoint goes dead after a couple of minutes. I called EasyServe while I was at work (my mistake because I didn't have it with me) and the tech said that the TrackPoint driver might be corrupted and I should try to reload it >from the Diskette Factory before sending it in. I'm home now and the web page makes no mention a TrackPoint driver, nor is there one located in the Diskette Factory. Before I call them back, am I missing something here? I did try the TrackPoint for a good 15 minutes, clicking on all the diagnostic tests after hitting F1 on bootup - doing this the left button didn't miss a beat. As soon as I go into a real boot into Windows - it dies. -- Stan Mocek mocek@azb.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 20:16:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA21095 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29784; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 20:15:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29537; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29399; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (165.87.194.239 -> out4.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 20:14:08 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip166-72-104-81.nj.us.ibm.net [166.72.104.81]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA104350; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:13:58 GMT Message-ID: <001d01bea0c4$685b4a40$516848a6@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: References: Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:21:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Don't know about FreeBSD but with Linux it needs the boot sector to start below the 1024th cyl. Don > Hi Donald, > > > One thing I forgot to mention. You wrote something about FreeBSD. I also run > > Linux on my system. If you are planning the same then what you will need to > > do is make another partition for Linux within the first 1024 cylinders. > > Usually that means within the first 8 gigs. > > Actually, with FreeBSD, it can go up to 4 terabytes within the > first partition. > > > The best way to do that (that I have found) is use something like partition > > magic and resize your D: drive. In my case I took the first gig of the D: > > drive and made that my linux drive. Then I took another 128 megs of the end > > of the drive and made that the Linux swap file. Runs great. Now if only IBM > > would write drivers for linux... > > YEp, I used PartitionMagic 4.0 to resize the C: drive to 14 gigs. > I lose my PM 3.0 somewhere in my house so had to buy PM4.0 just to do > this. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Vincent Poy > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 4:16 PM > > Subject: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU > > > > > > > I just got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU and just have a question > > > regarding the HDD before I attempt to manually reinstall and clone the > > > apps and data I have on my 385ED 2635-5EU. I would like to take this time > > > to thank Bill, Joy, Randy, Donald, and anyone else I forgot for their tips > > > and advice before. Anyways, I got the 14.1GB Hard Drive model and I > > > noticed in the control panel, there is both a C and the D drive. I > > > thought everything was supposed to be on one drive level rather than two. > > > Now, my question is when I install things, what drive do I put it on or is > > > one of them really a virtual drive letter and I can just put everything on > > > C? I haven't went over 8 GB's for EIDE/SCSI drives on my Desktop under > > > Win95/98 and the big drives usually are for my FreeBSD partitions. > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > [__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 20:28:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA21292 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00857; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 20:25:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00513; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00464; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (165.87.194.239 -> out4.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 20:25:07 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip166-72-104-81.nj.us.ibm.net [166.72.104.81]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA165668; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:24:56 GMT Message-ID: <003901bea0c5$f0d142c0$516848a6@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: References: Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:23:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I couldn't tell you offhand but I think that some of the Network software that came with the thinkpad needs fat16. Perhaps the newer versions don't. Don > > The reason behind this is that the recovery CD that you received must read a > > fat16 drive to install. So if you ever plan on reinstalling from the > > recovery CD then leave the C: drive as fat16. Besides there are a few older > > widow apps out there that will not work on fat 32 so it's nice to have a fat > > 16 for those occasions. > > Hmmm, like which apps? I have apps from 1985 that works fine in > FAT32. > > > Fat16 is also limitted to 2 gigs that's why the magic number of 2 gigs on > > the C: drive. > > Install you apps wherever you like, you have plenty of room. > > As for migrating apps from another system, do you have the apps on disk or > > are you planning on copying them and merging the registry? I think Norton > > Utilities has a feature that will help with that kind of situation but I > > found that it never works just right and the registry can suffer. Best to > > try to do a fresh install of apps and just copy over any data files. > > Not all my apps are on disk. I have tried using > Norton/QUarterdeck Cleansweep Transport and it works for some apps while > it fails on some others. Some of the apps are from the internet and I no > longer have the email with my registration code on it anymore. Just out > of curiousity, does the 770Z come with any sort of Lotus SmartSuite type > software since it's not on my drive. Also, another thing is I got my > 385ED and 770Z connected via 100BaseT Cross-Over Ethernet cable and it > works with NetBeui but how do I set it up for tcp/ip without a hub or > gateway address since all I have now are 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 for the > IP's without a gateway IP address defined. Also, it seems like CPUIdle > and RawPower hang the machine when starting up. Did anyone else have this > problem before? Another thing I noticed about the modem is that it > connects at 40k and then drops down to 32k for the rest of the session and > the telnet sessions are really slow. I was using the ThinkPad modem > monitor to monitor this. The 3Com/Megahertz 3CCFEM556B 10/100 LAN + 56k > X2/v90 modem card I had in my 385ED connects at 35k-40k max with the > 770Z while if I plug it back into the 385ED, it is back at 45k again and > transfer rates and everything is a lot faster, anyone have any ideas how I > can fix this since I thought modems aren't hardware dependent in terms of > speed. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Vincent Poy > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 4:16 PM > > Subject: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU > > > > > > > I just got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU and just have a question > > > regarding the HDD before I attempt to manually reinstall and clone the > > > apps and data I have on my 385ED 2635-5EU. I would like to take this time > > > to thank Bill, Joy, Randy, Donald, and anyone else I forgot for their tips > > > and advice before. Anyways, I got the 14.1GB Hard Drive model and I > > > noticed in the control panel, there is both a C and the D drive. I > > > thought everything was supposed to be on one drive level rather than two. > > > Now, my question is when I install things, what drive do I put it on or is > > > one of them really a virtual drive letter and I can just put everything on > > > C? I haven't went over 8 GB's for EIDE/SCSI drives on my Desktop under > > > Win95/98 and the big drives usually are for my FreeBSD partitions. > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > [__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 20:29:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA21298 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00969; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 20:25:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00498; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00466; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (165.87.194.239 -> out4.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 20:25:10 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip166-72-104-81.nj.us.ibm.net [166.72.104.81]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA85636 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:25:00 GMT Message-ID: <003a01bea0c5$f2d1f4c0$516848a6@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: Subject: Suspend Problems Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:32:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01BEA0A4.6775B2C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BEA0A4.6775B2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think we may have addressed this issue before but I'm not sure and = don't rember the outcome... Today I suspended my system before going home and when I just took it = out of the case it was burning hot. Apparently something made it wake up within the last few hours but I did = not have event monitor or any other tasks started.=20 I don't think it damaged the system but the battery was down to 33% so = it must have been on a while. When I opened it it would not resume so = had to use the reset switch.=20 I did use the network card at work but it was stoped and removed before = suspend. I use a Netgear card. (Any known problems with these cards?) Don ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BEA0A4.6775B2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think we may have addressed this = issue before but=20 I'm not sure and don't rember the outcome...
Today I suspended my system before = going home and=20 when I just took it out of the case it was burning hot.
Apparently something made it wake up = within the=20 last few hours but I did not have event monitor or any other tasks = started.=20
I don't think it damaged the system but = the battery=20 was down to 33% so it must have been on a while. When I opened it it = would not=20 resume so had to use the reset switch.
 
I did use the network card at work but = it was=20 stoped and removed before suspend. I use a Netgear card. (Any known = problems=20 with these cards?)
 
Don
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BEA0A4.6775B2C0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 21:33:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21730 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04269; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 21:31:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04019; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04006; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 21:31:38 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id VAA23463 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990517210642.00982ad0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:31:26 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: travelstar 10gt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I'm thinking of getting a larger drive for my 570 - the 10gb version of the Travelstar 10GT. Most retailer's description of the drive is different than IBM's, which confuses me. IBM's web page says this is a 12.7 mm high drive with part #DCXA-210000. Most web sites say the 10gb 10GT is a 17mm high drive with part #25L2709. Some list it as 12.7 mm. A few say the part # is 21L9590. Are there many versions of this drive? (I realize there is an 8gb version of the 10GT.) Both 17mm and 12.5? I can't find either 25L2709 or 21L9590 on IBM's web site. Is there some part of IBM's web pages I'm missing? btw, none of the web sites I've seen actually have the drive in stock. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 21:50:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21824 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05427; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 21:47:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05136; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05123; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (149.174.183.73 -> smtp4.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 21:47:31 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:47:27 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id VAA14800 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905180146.VAA14800@hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:49:11 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad Adapters List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 14 May 1999 13:36:13 -0600, Ray Bay wrote: >I have an extra adapter and found it was a major improvement in my >portability and security. What If I had lost one in a hotel room? Now I >would like to get an additional one for my daughter's think pad, so would >appreciate the port website address or anything else you learn about how and >where. I like the look of the Port adapter. How does U$120 compare to IBM's other other comparable third-party alternatives? Has anyone used this adapter? I could see carrying it as the primary one and packing the stock issue in my checked luggage as the "backup". The compatibility table says for my TP600: "Power & Slow Charge". As opposed to what? Some say "Full compatibility". Thanks for any comments! andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 17 23:04:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA22258 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08418; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 May 1999 23:02:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08140; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from net1.nw.com.au (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08109; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from net1.nw.com.au (203.18.240.2 -> Net1.nw.com.au) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 May 1999 23:02:08 -0400 Received: from greg (rav@Jedi-230.nw.com.au [203.33.252.70]) by net1.nw.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA02996; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:22:14 +0800 Message-ID: <001401bea0da$b06b76a0$46fc21cb@greg> From: "Greg" To: "Vincent Poy" , "richard" Cc: Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:00:33 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: May need to look up the AT command set and stop auto retrain and lock the baud rate to the high setting -----Original Message----- From: richard To: Vincent Poy Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 7:07 AM Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU >At 02:02 PM 5/17/99 -0700, you wrote: >>problem before? Another thing I noticed about the modem is that it >>connects at 40k and then drops down to 32k for the rest of the session and > >Which app gives the current speed of the built-in modem? > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 00:23:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA22761 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11531; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 00:22:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11327; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11313; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 00:22:00 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl8-39.gate.net [199.227.131.230]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA08332; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:23:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3740EADF.77491933@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 00:21:51 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stan Mocek CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TrackPoint malfunction on 560X References: <004f01bea0c3$5a144fa0$02000003@personal> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Stan.. the trackpoint driver hes referring to is most likely the mouse driver.. >from your description, IMO its the trackpoint itself, in other words, hardware.. Stan Mocek wrote: > Hi all, > > I've run into a problem with my 560X. When I boot up, the left button on the > TrackPoint goes dead after a couple of minutes. I called EasyServe while I > was at work (my mistake because I didn't have it with me) and the tech said > that the TrackPoint driver might be corrupted and I should try to reload it > from the Diskette Factory before sending it in. > > I'm home now and the web page makes no mention a TrackPoint driver, nor is > there one located in the Diskette Factory. Before I call them back, am I > missing something here? I did try the TrackPoint for a good 15 minutes, > clicking on all the diagnostic tests after hitting F1 on bootup - doing this > the left button didn't miss a beat. As soon as I go into a real boot into > Windows - it dies. > > -- > Stan Mocek > mocek@azb.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 00:30:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA22813 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12129; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 00:24:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11756; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11733; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 00:24:49 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl8-39.gate.net [199.227.131.230]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA70738; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:26:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3740EB88.F16660A9@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 00:24:40 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Mak CC: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU References: <003901bea0c5$f0d142c0$516848a6@thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i have always converted to FAT32, every 770 from the 1AU onward.. there is no reason NOT to use FAT32.. that i know of.. i think that only a badly written application would require fat16.. Donald Mak wrote: > I couldn't tell you offhand but I think that some of the Network software > that came with the thinkpad needs fat16. > Perhaps the newer versions don't. > > Don > > > > The reason behind this is that the recovery CD that you received must > read a > > > fat16 drive to install. So if you ever plan on reinstalling from the > > > recovery CD then leave the C: drive as fat16. Besides there are a few > older > > > widow apps out there that will not work on fat 32 so it's nice to have a > fat > > > 16 for those occasions. > > > > Hmmm, like which apps? I have apps from 1985 that works fine in > > FAT32. > > > > > Fat16 is also limitted to 2 gigs that's why the magic number of 2 gigs > on **SNIP** -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 00:35:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA22854 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12792; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 00:34:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12554; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12540; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 00:34:21 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl8-39.gate.net [199.227.131.230]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA188376; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:35:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3740EDC5.F9BC5908@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 00:34:14 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: travelstar 10gt References: <4.1.19990517210642.00982ad0@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Richard.. richard wrote: > I'm thinking of getting a larger drive for my 570 - the 10gb version of the > Travelstar 10GT. Most retailer's description of the drive is different > than IBM's, which confuses me. > they ARE different..marginally.. but they'll work fine in your 570 or 600... > IBM's web page says this is a 12.7 mm high drive with part #DCXA-210000. > > Most web sites say the 10gb 10GT is a 17mm high drive with part #25L2709. > Some list it as 12.7 mm. A few say the part # is 21L9590. > > Are there many versions of this drive? (I realize there is an 8gb version > of the 10GT.) Both 17mm and 12.5? I can't find either 25L2709 or 21L9590 > on IBM's web site. Is there some part of IBM's web pages I'm missing? > the true thinkpad option drives have a slightly different logical head/cylinder/sector per track geometry than the OEM drives, but most seem to work well... > btw, none of the web sites I've seen actually have the drive in stock. I have them available.. what you see on the web sites is a come on.. just another ploy to get you to surf their site, where the site gets paid for each pair of eyeballs.. YOUR eyeballs.. for the ads.. thats the why and how of selling at or below cost on the web... however, in defense of those that advertise what they don't have, this 10gig drive is in short supply right now.. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 00:37:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA22868 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13298; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 00:35:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12872; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12849; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 00:35:38 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (pslfl8-39.gate.net [199.227.131.230]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA303278; Tue, 18 May 1999 00:37:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3740EE10.7D1A2A10@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 00:35:29 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Thinkpad Adapters References: <199905180146.VAA14800@hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Andrew.. the real IBM AC Adapter, is about $60 to $80.. depending upon the target machine.. Andrew Webber wrote: > On Fri, 14 May 1999 13:36:13 -0600, Ray Bay wrote: > > >I have an extra adapter and found it was a major improvement in my > >portability and security. What If I had lost one in a hotel room? Now I > >would like to get an additional one for my daughter's think pad, so would > >appreciate the port website address or anything else you learn about how and > >where. > > I like the look of the Port adapter. How does U$120 compare to > IBM's other other comparable third-party alternatives? > > Has anyone used this adapter? I could see carrying it as the > primary one and packing the stock issue in my checked luggage as > the "backup". > > The compatibility table says for my TP600: "Power & Slow Charge". > As opposed to what? Some say "Full compatibility". > > Thanks for any comments! > > andrew > ------ > my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 03:22:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA23841 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 03:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19734; Tue, 18 May 1999 03:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 03:21:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19377; Tue, 18 May 1999 03:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19364; Tue, 18 May 1999 03:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 03:21:06 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (p3E9D37A5.dip.t-online.de [62.157.55.165]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id J2GYWQDN; Tue, 18 May 1999 03:20:40 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: Fat32 with NT Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:20:53 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Does anyone know whether Fat32 can work with Win NT (4.0). I always keep a fat16 partition on my hard drive because when I go to my WinNT partition to do work, it could not access the Fat32 partition originally. Since then, however, I have not looked at potential solutions. Can what I am saying be true or is there some sort of patch for NT in order to allow it to read fat32 partitions? Thanks, Steve ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) ________________________________________________________________________ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 04:31:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA24214 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 04:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22765; Tue, 18 May 1999 04:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 04:29:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22567; Tue, 18 May 1999 04:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22554; Tue, 18 May 1999 04:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 04:29:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA09743; Tue, 18 May 1999 01:29:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 01:29:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: richard cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990517190351.0097c370@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 17 May 1999, richard wrote: > At 02:02 PM 5/17/99 -0700, you wrote: > >problem before? Another thing I noticed about the modem is that it > >connects at 40k and then drops down to 32k for the rest of the session and > > Which app gives the current speed of the built-in modem? ThinkPad Modem under ThinkPad Modem in Start Menu -> Programs Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 04:32:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA24226 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 04:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23035; Tue, 18 May 1999 04:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 04:31:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22821; Tue, 18 May 1999 04:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22789; Tue, 18 May 1999 04:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 04:31:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA09758; Tue, 18 May 1999 01:31:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 01:31:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU In-Reply-To: <001d01bea0c4$685b4a40$516848a6@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 17 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > Don't know about FreeBSD but with Linux it needs the boot sector to start > below the 1024th cyl. I think the reason is that FreeBSD needs a bootloader regardless if it's a single partition or not. Linux can run Lilo from DOS. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > Hi Donald, > > > > > One thing I forgot to mention. You wrote something about FreeBSD. I also > run > > > Linux on my system. If you are planning the same then what you will need > to > > > do is make another partition for Linux within the first 1024 cylinders. > > > Usually that means within the first 8 gigs. > > > > Actually, with FreeBSD, it can go up to 4 terabytes within the > > first partition. > > > > > The best way to do that (that I have found) is use something like > partition > > > magic and resize your D: drive. In my case I took the first gig of the > D: > > > drive and made that my linux drive. Then I took another 128 megs of the > end > > > of the drive and made that the Linux swap file. Runs great. Now if only > IBM > > > would write drivers for linux... > > > > YEp, I used PartitionMagic 4.0 to resize the C: drive to 14 gigs. > > I lose my PM 3.0 somewhere in my house so had to buy PM4.0 just to do > > this. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Vincent Poy > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 4:16 PM > > > Subject: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU > > > > > > > > > > I just got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU and just have a question > > > > regarding the HDD before I attempt to manually reinstall and clone the > > > > apps and data I have on my 385ED 2635-5EU. I would like to take this > time > > > > to thank Bill, Joy, Randy, Donald, and anyone else I forgot for their > tips > > > > and advice before. Anyways, I got the 14.1GB Hard Drive model and I > > > > noticed in the control panel, there is both a C and the D drive. I > > > > thought everything was supposed to be on one drive level rather than > two. > > > > Now, my question is when I install things, what drive do I put it on > or is > > > > one of them really a virtual drive letter and I can just put > everything on > > > > C? I haven't went over 8 GB's for EIDE/SCSI drives on my Desktop > under > > > > Win95/98 and the big drives usually are for my FreeBSD partitions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > > ____ > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > > [__ ] > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > > __] ] > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > > __] ] > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 04:35:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA24249 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 04:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23644; Tue, 18 May 1999 04:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 04:34:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23348; Tue, 18 May 1999 04:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23318; Tue, 18 May 1999 04:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 04:33:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA09776; Tue, 18 May 1999 01:33:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 01:33:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU In-Reply-To: <003901bea0c5$f0d142c0$516848a6@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 17 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > I couldn't tell you offhand but I think that some of the Network software > that came with the thinkpad needs fat16. > Perhaps the newer versions don't. Not sure, I ran my 385ED under Fat32 with no problems. The modem speed is the issue with me now since it seems even a PCMCIA card performs worst on the 9549-8AU. I was looking on IBM's website at drivers, utilities and other software. How do I find the date of when the software, drivers were installed on my machine since it seems like I have some things after 2/99 but some are older. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > The reason behind this is that the recovery CD that you received must > read a > > > fat16 drive to install. So if you ever plan on reinstalling from the > > > recovery CD then leave the C: drive as fat16. Besides there are a few > older > > > widow apps out there that will not work on fat 32 so it's nice to have a > fat > > > 16 for those occasions. > > > > Hmmm, like which apps? I have apps from 1985 that works fine in > > FAT32. > > > > > Fat16 is also limitted to 2 gigs that's why the magic number of 2 gigs > on > > > the C: drive. > > > Install you apps wherever you like, you have plenty of room. > > > As for migrating apps from another system, do you have the apps on disk > or > > > are you planning on copying them and merging the registry? I think > Norton > > > Utilities has a feature that will help with that kind of situation but I > > > found that it never works just right and the registry can suffer. Best > to > > > try to do a fresh install of apps and just copy over any data files. > > > > Not all my apps are on disk. I have tried using > > Norton/QUarterdeck Cleansweep Transport and it works for some apps while > > it fails on some others. Some of the apps are from the internet and I no > > longer have the email with my registration code on it anymore. Just out > > of curiousity, does the 770Z come with any sort of Lotus SmartSuite type > > software since it's not on my drive. Also, another thing is I got my > > 385ED and 770Z connected via 100BaseT Cross-Over Ethernet cable and it > > works with NetBeui but how do I set it up for tcp/ip without a hub or > > gateway address since all I have now are 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 for the > > IP's without a gateway IP address defined. Also, it seems like CPUIdle > > and RawPower hang the machine when starting up. Did anyone else have this > > problem before? Another thing I noticed about the modem is that it > > connects at 40k and then drops down to 32k for the rest of the session and > > the telnet sessions are really slow. I was using the ThinkPad modem > > monitor to monitor this. The 3Com/Megahertz 3CCFEM556B 10/100 LAN + 56k > > X2/v90 modem card I had in my 385ED connects at 35k-40k max with the > > 770Z while if I plug it back into the 385ED, it is back at 45k again and > > transfer rates and everything is a lot faster, anyone have any ideas how I > > can fix this since I thought modems aren't hardware dependent in terms of > > speed. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Vincent Poy > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 4:16 PM > > > Subject: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU > > > > > > > > > > I just got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU and just have a question > > > > regarding the HDD before I attempt to manually reinstall and clone the > > > > apps and data I have on my 385ED 2635-5EU. I would like to take this > time > > > > to thank Bill, Joy, Randy, Donald, and anyone else I forgot for their > tips > > > > and advice before. Anyways, I got the 14.1GB Hard Drive model and I > > > > noticed in the control panel, there is both a C and the D drive. I > > > > thought everything was supposed to be on one drive level rather than > two. > > > > Now, my question is when I install things, what drive do I put it on > or is > > > > one of them really a virtual drive letter and I can just put > everything on > > > > C? I haven't went over 8 GB's for EIDE/SCSI drives on my Desktop > under > > > > Win95/98 and the big drives usually are for my FreeBSD partitions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > > ____ > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > > [__ ] > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > > __] ] > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > > __] ] > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 04:38:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA24268 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 04:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24088; Tue, 18 May 1999 04:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 04:37:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23888; Tue, 18 May 1999 04:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23873; Tue, 18 May 1999 04:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 04:37:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA09811; Tue, 18 May 1999 01:37:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 01:37:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Greg cc: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU In-Reply-To: <001401bea0da$b06b76a0$46fc21cb@greg> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 18 May 1999, Greg wrote: > May need to look up the AT command set and stop auto retrain and lock the > baud rate to the high setting Hmmm, I think that's hard to do since modems are supposed to port lock at a certain speed and then auto retrain subject to line conditions. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > -----Original Message----- > From: richard > To: Vincent Poy > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 7:07 AM > Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU > > > >At 02:02 PM 5/17/99 -0700, you wrote: > >>problem before? Another thing I noticed about the modem is that it > >>connects at 40k and then drops down to 32k for the rest of the session and > > > >Which app gives the current speed of the built-in modem? > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 05:24:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA24495 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 05:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00263; Tue, 18 May 1999 05:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 05:22:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29448; Tue, 18 May 1999 05:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from net1.nw.com.au (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29271; Tue, 18 May 1999 05:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from net1.nw.com.au (203.18.240.2 -> Net1.nw.com.au) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 05:22:00 -0400 Received: from greg (Jedi-230.nw.com.au [203.33.252.70]) by net1.nw.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA24412; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:42:49 +0800 Message-ID: <000601bea10f$c5996b60$46fc21cb@greg> From: "Greg" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "richard" , Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:21:10 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: We talking modem speed or port speed?? Modem speed u can do a AT? to turn off the fallback and only connect at the highest speed u want.. if its dropping back then sounds like bad connection re phone system -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy To: Greg Cc: richard ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 4:39 PM Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU >On Tue, 18 May 1999, Greg wrote: > >> May need to look up the AT command set and stop auto retrain and lock the >> baud rate to the high setting > > Hmmm, I think that's hard to do since modems are supposed to port >lock at a certain speed and then auto retrain subject to line conditions. > > >Cheers, >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ >Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] >GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] >Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] >HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: richard >> To: Vincent Poy >> Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >> Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 7:07 AM >> Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU >> >> >> >At 02:02 PM 5/17/99 -0700, you wrote: >> >>problem before? Another thing I noticed about the modem is that it >> >>connects at 40k and then drops down to 32k for the rest of the session and >> > >> >Which app gives the current speed of the built-in modem? >> > >> >> > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 06:06:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA24659 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06135; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 06:04:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06003; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05990; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (207.229.143.11 -> thor.enteract.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 06:04:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 22417 invoked from network); 18 May 1999 10:04:41 -0000 Received: from 207-229-150-25.d.enteract.com (HELO personal) (207.229.150.25) by thor.enteract.com with SMTP; 18 May 1999 10:04:41 -0000 Message-ID: <000601bea116$5606ef00$02000003@personal> Reply-To: "Stan Mocek" From: "Stan Mocek" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: References: <004f01bea0c3$5a144fa0$02000003@personal> <3740EADF.77491933@icanect.net> Subject: Re: TrackPoint malfunction on 560X Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 05:08:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow said: > Stan.. > the trackpoint driver hes referring to is most likely the mouse driver.. > from your description, > IMO its the trackpoint itself, in other words, hardware.. Thanks Bill, The more I look at this, the more I'm inclined to think your right. I did reload the mouse driver and it's pretty much the same. I'll have to get back on the phone with EasyServe. -- Stan Mocek mocek@azb.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 06:54:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA24845 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07547; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 06:53:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07312; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07299; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 06:53:16 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA01087; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990518064942.0097bd60@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 06:53:04 -0400 To: Bill Morrow From: richard Subject: Re: travelstar 10gt Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3740EDC5.F9BC5908@icanect.net> References: <4.1.19990517210642.00982ad0@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Are you saying that all versions of the 10GT are 12.7mm? Or will a 17mm drive will fit in the 570? At 12:34 AM 5/18/99 -0400, you wrote: >richard wrote: > >> I'm thinking of getting a larger drive for my 570 - the 10gb version of the >> Travelstar 10GT. Most retailer's description of the drive is different >> than IBM's, which confuses me. >> >they ARE different..marginally.. >but they'll work fine in your 570 or 600... > >> IBM's web page says this is a 12.7 mm high drive with part #DCXA-210000. >> >> Most web sites say the 10gb 10GT is a 17mm high drive with part #25L2709. >> Some list it as 12.7 mm. A few say the part # is 21L9590. >> >> Are there many versions of this drive? (I realize there is an 8gb version >> of the 10GT.) Both 17mm and 12.5? I can't find either 25L2709 or 21L9590 >> on IBM's web site. Is there some part of IBM's web pages I'm missing? >> > >the true thinkpad option drives have a slightly different logical >head/cylinder/sector per track geometry than the OEM drives, but most seem to >work well... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 06:57:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA24859 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07993; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 06:56:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07791; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07778; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 06:56:31 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA01669; Tue, 18 May 1999 06:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990518065312.00984f10@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 06:56:19 -0400 To: Vincent Poy From: richard Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990517190351.0097c370@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:29 AM 5/18/99 -0700, you wrote: >On Mon, 17 May 1999, richard wrote: > >> At 02:02 PM 5/17/99 -0700, you wrote: >> >problem before? Another thing I noticed about the modem is that it >> >connects at 40k and then drops down to 32k for the rest of the session and >> >> Which app gives the current speed of the built-in modem? > > ThinkPad Modem under ThinkPad Modem in Start Menu -> Programs I don't have that program listed. Where can I get a copy? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 07:27:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA24972 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09234; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 07:25:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09051; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09032; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 07:25:31 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23220; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37414D90.E89B6FCD@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 07:22:56 -0400 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: travelstar 10gt References: <4.1.19990517210642.00982ad0@pop.rcn.com> <4.1.19990518064942.0097bd60@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: richard wrote: > Or will a 17mm drive will fit in the 570? No way! Won't fit in a 600 either. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 07:38:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA25015 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10368; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 07:37:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10154; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10137; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 07:37:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA26580; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 07:34:09 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: "Steven N. Fettig" cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Fat32 with NT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: There is no way that I've been able to find to allow NT to read FAT32 - >from MS anyway. If there is a third party tool to permit this I would be interested in hearing about it as well. On Tue, 18 May 1999, Steven N. Fettig wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone know whether Fat32 can work with Win NT (4.0). I always > keep a fat16 partition on my hard drive because when I go to my WinNT > partition to do work, it could not access the Fat32 partition originally. > Since then, however, I have not looked at potential solutions. Can what I > am saying be true or is there some sort of patch for NT in order to allow it > to read fat32 partitions? > > Thanks, > Steve > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator > Hillsdale College > Hillsdale, MI > > Email: > snfettig@hillsdale.edu snfettig@pensys.com > > Tel: > (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 > (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 > 9667) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 09:04:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25485 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15882; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 09:01:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15526; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww187.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15497; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww187.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.87 -> ww187.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 09:00:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 26453 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 1999 13:00:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19990518130038.26452.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.87 by ww187 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Tue May 18 13:00:38 GMT 1999 Date: 18 May 99 08:00:38 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "Steven N.Fettig" , Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Fat32 with NT X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: There is a 3rd party utility that allows this. It is from System Interna= ls (www.sysinternals.com/fat32.htm). This driver/utility allows NT to see F= AT32 partitions. You can get a read-only version for free, or a read/write ve= rsion for $39. I have no affiliation with System Internals, I just happened to look into= this issue once before. HTH, Rob "Steven N. Fettig" wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone know whether Fat32 can work with Win NT (4.0). I alwa= ys > keep a fat16 partition on my hard drive because when I go to my WinNT > partition to do work, it could not access the Fat32 partition originall= y. > Since then, however, I have not looked at potential solutions. Can wha= t I > am saying be true or is there some sort of patch for NT in order to all= ow it > to read fat32 partitions? > = > Thanks, > Steve ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 09:32:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25845 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17990; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 09:30:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17718; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17705; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 09:30:24 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-387.gate.net [199.227.131.196] (may be forged)) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA96824; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:31:49 -0400 Message-ID: <37416B68.B209385F@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:30:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: travelstar 10gt References: <4.1.19990517210642.00982ad0@pop.rcn.com> <4.1.19990518064942.0097bd60@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Richard.. the 10gig is 12.7mm, not 17mm, no, 17mm will NOT fit the 570 or 600.. i SAID the geometry was slightly different on the 8gig, 6gig, 14gig and by extension, the 10gig.. between the OEM and TP option drives richard wrote: > Are you saying that all versions of the 10GT are 12.7mm? > > Or will a 17mm drive will fit in the 570? > > At 12:34 AM 5/18/99 -0400, you wrote: > >richard wrote: > > > >> I'm thinking of getting a larger drive for my 570 - the 10gb version of the > >> Travelstar 10GT. Most retailer's description of the drive is different > >> than IBM's, which confuses me. > >> > >they ARE different..marginally.. > >but they'll work fine in your 570 or 600... > > > >> IBM's web page says this is a 12.7 mm high drive with part #DCXA-210000. > >> > >> Most web sites say the 10gb 10GT is a 17mm high drive with part #25L2709. > >> Some list it as 12.7 mm. A few say the part # is 21L9590. > >> > >> Are there many versions of this drive? (I realize there is an 8gb version > >> of the 10GT.) Both 17mm and 12.5? I can't find either 25L2709 or 21L9590 > >> on IBM's web site. Is there some part of IBM's web pages I'm missing? > >> > > > >the true thinkpad option drives have a slightly different logical > >head/cylinder/sector per track geometry than the OEM drives, but most seem to > >work well... -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 09:35:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25892 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18500; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 09:34:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18290; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18228; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 09:34:30 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-387.gate.net [199.227.131.196] (may be forged)) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA168524; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:35:50 -0400 Message-ID: <37416C54.2AC3978@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:34:12 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rj CC: "Steven N. Fettig" , Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Fat32 with NT References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: NT 4 does NOT recognise FAT#@ fat32.. rj wrote: > There is no way that I've been able to find to allow NT to read FAT32 - > from MS anyway. If there is a third party tool to permit this I would > be interested in hearing about it as well. > > On Tue, 18 May 1999, Steven N. Fettig wrote: > > > Hi, > > Does anyone know whether Fat32 can work with Win NT (4.0). I always > > keep a fat16 partition on my hard drive because when I go to my WinNT > > partition to do work, it could not access the Fat32 partition originally. > > Since then, however, I have not looked at potential solutions. Can what I > > am saying be true or is there some sort of patch for NT in order to allow it > > to read fat32 partitions? > > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator > > Hillsdale College > > Hillsdale, MI > > > > Email: > > snfettig@hillsdale.edu > snfettig@pensys.com > > > > Tel: > > (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 > > (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 > > 9667) > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 09:57:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA26175 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20250; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 09:55:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20038; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww187.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20025; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww187.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.87 -> ww187.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 09:55:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 2394 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 1999 13:55:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19990518135549.2393.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.87 by ww187 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Tue May 18 13:55:49 GMT 1999 Date: 18 May 99 08:55:49 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Fat32 with NT X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Not on it's own, but at least one 3rd party driver allows NT to see FAT32= partitions (www.sysinternals.com/fat32.htm). Of course, NT5 (or Win2000-= what a stupid name) should also work with FAT32. Rob Bill Morrow wrote: > NT 4 does NOT recognise FAT#@ fat32.. > = > rj wrote: > = > > There is no way that I've been able to find to allow NT to read FAT32= - > > from MS anyway. If there is a third party tool to permit this I would= > > be interested in hearing about it as well. > > > > On Tue, 18 May 1999, Steven N. Fettig wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > Does anyone know whether Fat32 can work with Win NT (4.0). I always > > > keep a fat16 partition on my hard drive because when I go to my Win= NT > > > partition to do work, it could not access the Fat32 partition originally. > > > Since then, however, I have not looked at potential solutions. Can= what I > > > am saying be true or is there some sort of patch for NT in order to= allow it > > > to read fat32 partitions? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Steve > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________= _____ > > > Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator > > > Hillsdale College > > > Hillsdale, MI > > > > > > Email: > > > snfettig@hillsdale.edu > > snfettig@pensys.com > > > > > > Tel: > > > (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 > > > (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171= 812 > > > 9667) > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________= _____ > > > > > > > > > > = > = > = > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > = > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > = > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will= vary, Done > on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > = ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 10:21:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA26403 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22300; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 10:20:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22093; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22079; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (38.8.14.2 -> relay1.smtp.psi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 10:19:57 -0400 Received: from [204.5.147.3] (helo=exch1.smh.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 10jkin-0006Ww-00; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:19:53 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:19:28 -0400 Message-ID: <40E8526E9CA4D011A45800805FFEAEDB06B9EDCF@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: rj , "Steven N. Fettig" Cc: Thinkpad List Subject: RE: Fat32 with NT Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:19:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Greetings, FAT32 is readable w/NT4: you need a utility to do it. Check out www.winternals.com. Regards, Neil TP 701, 600, 770 -----Original Message----- From: rj [mailto:rj@chele.cais.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 7:34 AM To: Steven N. Fettig Cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Fat32 with NT There is no way that I've been able to find to allow NT to read FAT32 - >from MS anyway. If there is a third party tool to permit this I would be interested in hearing about it as well. On Tue, 18 May 1999, Steven N. Fettig wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone know whether Fat32 can work with Win NT (4.0). I always > keep a fat16 partition on my hard drive because when I go to my WinNT > partition to do work, it could not access the Fat32 partition originally. > Since then, however, I have not looked at potential solutions. Can what I > am saying be true or is there some sort of patch for NT in order to allow it > to read fat32 partitions? > > Thanks, > Steve > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator > Hillsdale College > Hillsdale, MI > > Email: > snfettig@hillsdale.edu snfettig@pensys.com > > Tel: > (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 > (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 > 9667) > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 11:27:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA27159 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27020; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 11:25:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26869; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26799; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (149.174.183.73 -> smtp4.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 11:25:04 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:24:48 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id LAA12113 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905181524.LAA12113@dub-img-ims-2.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:28:03 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: travelstar 10gt List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 18 May 1999 00:34:14 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >I have them available.. Bill, It's not on your site (you go straight from the 8gig 12.7mm and 17mm to the 14gig 17mm). Time to update your list (and drop the price on the 6gig I bought, again :). How long before the 14gig/12.7mm is available, do you think? Maybe I should start thinking about changing my 6+4 configuration to 14+6! (sheesh!) andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 12:28:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA27926 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01605; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 12:21:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01365; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01343; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 12:21:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA25202 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:18:34 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: BIT.COM Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I vaguely recall a discussion on bit.com and their somewhat questionable parctices. I was considering purchasing a printer and they have the lowest price by far (the next is 50 more). I went off to http://www.resellerratings.com/ and found a rating of 3.5/7 - not really great. Anyone have any experience with this company that you care to share? TIA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 12:50:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28148 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03540; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 12:43:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03170; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03144; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 12:43:25 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg134-244.ricochet.net [204.179.134.244]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA05769; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:43:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Steven N. Fettig" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: Fat32 with NT Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:43:16 -0700 Message-ID: <003201bea14d$87384c40$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > Does anyone know whether Fat32 can work with Win NT (4.0). I always > keep a fat16 partition on my hard drive because when I go to my WinNT > partition to do work, it could not access the Fat32 partition originally. > Since then, however, I have not looked at potential solutions. Can what I > am saying be true or is there some sort of patch for NT in order > to allow it > to read fat32 partitions? http://www.winternals.com/products/fat32.shtml It will cost you $39. 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Hundreds of us at Geary Central: http://Geary.com/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 14:36:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA29253 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 14:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10609; Tue, 18 May 1999 14:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 14:34:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10429; Tue, 18 May 1999 14:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10397; Tue, 18 May 1999 14:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (207.172.3.234 -> smtp1.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 14:34:07 -0400 Received: from richard (216-164-220-22.s22.tnt5.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.220.22]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02428 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 14:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990518143307.0097b4b0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:33:53 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: Travelstar 10GT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Sorry to flood this list regarding this drive, but I thought I'd share the answer to my earlier questions. 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Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 20:35:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA03355 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28584; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 20:33:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28352; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hurricane.vnw.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28339; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hurricane.vnw.com (192.220.175.81 -> hurricane.vnw.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 20:33:18 -0400 Received: by hurricane.vnw.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:33:05 -0700 Message-ID: <69A7A3853AD7D111B81D00805F9F7E03B9E99C@newberry.vnw.com> From: zzIML Thinkpad To: Thinkpad List Subject: 600 / 770 won't boot from El Torito CD-ROM Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:34:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: We created a custom bootable CD-ROM that meets the "El Torito" specification for bootable CD's.... On all of our Thinkpad 600 / 770 machines, they won't boot! We have configured the BIOS so that boot order is A: , CD-ROM, then C: hard disk partition, but when we put our disc in it won't boot from it. The disc has a MS-DOS 6.22 OS created from a 525MB Hard Drive Image. 1: We are able to boot the same disc on all of our Hewlett Packard and Compaq desktop computers (we have no IBM desktop computers for testing). 2: The same IBM ThinkPads will boot a Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 Workstation CD-ROM... I presume they also boot a Windows 98 CD-ROM, but I have not tried it. We have the latest available BIOS, I believe 12/16/98 is the date. Anyone have information to share on this subject? Stephen Gutknecht mailto:SGutknecht@i405.com Renton, Washington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 18 23:56:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA04819 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05208; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 May 1999 23:54:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05026; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05013; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 May 1999 23:54:17 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-289.gate.net [199.227.131.98]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA319070; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:55:43 -0400 Message-ID: <374235E2.40A946BA@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:54:10 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: zzIML Thinkpad CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 600 / 770 won't boot from El Torito CD-ROM References: <69A7A3853AD7D111B81D00805F9F7E03B9E99C@newberry.vnw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Stephen... i tried making a bootable CD with the same results.. if you learn anything, please share it.. :-) zzIML Thinkpad wrote: > We created a custom bootable CD-ROM that meets the "El Torito" specification > for bootable CD's.... > > On all of our Thinkpad 600 / 770 machines, they won't boot! We have > configured the BIOS so that boot order is A: , CD-ROM, then C: hard disk > partition, but when we put our disc in it won't boot from it. > > The disc has a MS-DOS 6.22 OS created from a 525MB Hard Drive Image. > > 1: We are able to boot the same disc on all of our Hewlett Packard and > Compaq desktop computers (we have no IBM desktop computers for testing). > 2: The same IBM ThinkPads will boot a Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 > Workstation CD-ROM... I presume they also boot a Windows 98 CD-ROM, but I > have not tried it. > > We have the latest available BIOS, I believe 12/16/98 is the date. > > Anyone have information to share on this subject? > > Stephen Gutknecht > mailto:SGutknecht@i405.com > Renton, Washington -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 04:59:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA06457 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 04:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16157; Wed, 19 May 1999 04:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 04:58:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15931; Wed, 19 May 1999 04:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA15918; Wed, 19 May 1999 04:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (204.201.18.52 -> lucy.az.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 04:58:14 -0400 Received: from seawesta-79.az.com (seawesta-79.az.com [204.201.18.79]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA15127 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 01:58:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <199905190858.BAA15127@www.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Wed, 19 May 99 02:02:55 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fat32 with NT List-Unsubscribe: On 18 May 99 08:00:38 CDT, Rob Bell wrote: >There is a 3rd party utility that allows this. It is from System Internals >(www.sysinternals.com/fat32.htm). This driver/utility allows NT to see FAT32 >partitions. You can get a read-only version for free, or a read/write version >for $39. However, does it read FAT32X?? 98 has a new revision called FAT32X that really throws programs like Partition Magic and Drive Image into a major fit. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 10:07:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA08238 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05674; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 10:04:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05319; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05293; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 10:04:04 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-153.gate.net [199.227.20.216]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA419984 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:05:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3742C4CA.CE337765@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:03:54 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: RedHat ver. 6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: RedHat seems to want $80+ for the new version.. anyone have a suggestion for a vendor who is a bit lower cost..? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 10:15:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA08302 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06390; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 10:11:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06030; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06010; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 10:11:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA23083; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:07:52 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Bill Morrow cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 In-Reply-To: <3742C4CA.CE337765@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: The Linux Mall (http://www.linuxmall.com/) usually has good prices. On Wed, 19 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > RedHat seems to want $80+ for the new version.. > anyone have a suggestion for a vendor who is a bit lower cost..? > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 10:20:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA08380 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07457; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 10:18:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07008; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06994; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 10:18:07 -0400 Received: from richard (209-122-226-17.s271.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.226.17]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id KAA17291; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990519101042.00983b70@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:17:49 -0400 To: Bill Morrow From: richard Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3742C4CA.CE337765@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:03 AM 5/19/99 -0400, you wrote: >RedHat seems to want $80+ for the new version.. >anyone have a suggestion for a vendor who is a bit lower cost..? If you want an install cd, linuxmall sells RedHat 6.0 for $1.89. Or, if you have a high speed internet connection, you can download RH 6 for free (you can download over a dialup connection, but a few hundred mb can take a while). $80 gets you support and, I believe, printed materials. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 10:22:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA08394 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06828; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 10:14:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06400; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06330; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 10:13:10 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04192; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <3742C6EC.AFBBEA95@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:13:00 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 References: <3742C4CA.CE337765@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well, you can download it for free. Also, LinuxMall sells a Red Hat 6.0 CD-ROM for $1.89 (without documentation or installation support): http://www.LinuxMall.com/products/01058.html I have never bought their CD-ROMs. This one might not be available yet. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 10:39:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA08563 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08055; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 10:22:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07753; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cavecreations.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07734; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cavecreations.com (192.41.27.30 -> cavecreations.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 10:22:26 -0400 Received: (cave@localhost) by cavecreations.com (8.8.5) id IAA04264; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:22:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:22:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199905191422.IAA04264@cavecreations.com> From: "Albert C. Lee" To: penzance@icanect.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 List-Unsubscribe: If you don't need the manuals, you should just go for the GPL version: http://www.linuxcentral.com/products/lccd/redhat-6.0-gpl/ for $2.95 plus shipping. I made the mistake of getting Redhat 5.2 in the boxed set. You don't get anything special, IMHO, other than the manual. Save your money. -Al > RedHat seems to want $80+ for the new version.. > anyone have a suggestion for a vendor who is a bit lower cost..? > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > vary, Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > -- Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com (c) 1998,1999 Cave Creations Corp. All rights reserved. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 10:54:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA08725 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10688; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 10:51:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10465; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10403; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 10:50:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27969 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:47:41 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: Can TP600 be booted from CDROM? 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From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 10:56:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA08743 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11317; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 10:55:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11077; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11039; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 10:55:15 -0400 Received: from MACGREGOR (mg128-110.ricochet.net [204.179.128.110]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA03665; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:55:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002101bea207$849dfdd0$6e80b3cc@MACGREGOR> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "rj" , "ThinkPad List" References: Subject: Re: Can TP600 be booted from CDROM? Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:54:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Yes! ----- Original Message ----- From: rj To: ThinkPad List Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 7:47 AM Subject: Can TP600 be booted from CDROM? > Thanks! > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 11:05:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08812 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12352; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 11:03:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12082; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aldebaran.sra.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12067; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aldebaran.sra.com (163.252.31.31 -> aldebaran.sra.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 11:03:08 -0400 Received: from delphi.sra.com (delphi.sra.com [163.252.31.29]) by aldebaran.sra.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA11230 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tecra780 by delphi.sra.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA29100; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:03:56 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Michael Silano" To: Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:01:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bea208$86b1f440$beeefca3@sra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: subscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 11:15:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08953 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13001; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 11:06:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12602; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12582; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 11:06:21 -0400 Received: from MACGREGOR (mg128-110.ricochet.net [204.179.128.110]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05071 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:06:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005701bea209$0f0edbf0$6e80b3cc@MACGREGOR> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Booting TP 600 from CD-ROM... Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:05:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Seriously though folks.... Make sure that you have the CD-ROM unit mounted in the UltraBay. Shutdown. Restart your ThinkPad while keeping the F1 keypressed. You will see the IBM logo and enter the BIOS configuration area. Click icons until you see startup. Remove the current startup sequence, which is likely to be Floppy, Hard Drive 1. Add the new sequence, which is probably CD-ROM, Floppy and Hard Drive 1. Click Save and then Restart. (This is *all* explained in the wonderful manual that IBM provides! RTFM *** Read the Friendly Manual ***) -- David W. Taylor, Detayls From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 11:30:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA09128 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14323; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 11:21:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14006; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13985; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (167.79.91.99 -> ns.us.fortis.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 11:21:27 -0400 Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (root@localhost) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id KAA23127 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:18:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mime.us.fortis.com (mime.us.fortis.com [167.79.12.2]) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id KAA23123 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:18:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from US.FORTIS.COM (unverified [167.79.36.4]) by mime.us.fortis.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:05:10 -0500 Received: from WOODBYGATE-Message_Server by US.FORTIS.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:08:12 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:08:49 -0600 From: Mike Hunziker To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RedHat ver. 6 -Reply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_005678FC.ED8CA308" List-Unsubscribe: This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_005678FC.ED8CA308 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I ordered mine from cheapbytes.com for $1.99 plus shipping of around $5.00......took a week but the CD worked fine. >>> Bill Morrow 05/19/99 08:03am >>> RedHat seems to want $80+ for the new version.. anyone have a suggestion for a vendor who is a bit lower cost..? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... 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Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --=_005678FC.ED8CA308-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 13:28:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10524 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 13:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23278; Wed, 19 May 1999 13:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 13:24:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22963; Wed, 19 May 1999 13:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from epic.iris.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22923; Wed, 19 May 1999 13:24:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from epic.iris.com (198.112.211.21 -> epic.iris.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 13:24:33 -0400 Subject: IBM thinkpad 600e hibernation and NTFS To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V5010510 May 10, 1999 Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:26:53 GMT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Epic/Iris(Daily Build (based on 166.1)|Apr 6 1999) at 05/19/99 01:27:06 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=LBlKSyTkzDyU1jNol28PuyJolkZ9du6lGwlyjcHsMkODt11wDoPqfQsu" Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: --0__=LBlKSyTkzDyU1jNol28PuyJolkZ9du6lGwlyjcHsMkODt11wDoPqfQsu Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello. I am having problems making my thinkpad hibernate and I was recommended to try asking you. I have my system configured to use NT4.0 sp3 w/ NTFS. Upon attempting to initialize hibernation, the hibernation program returns the error: "Error creating hibernation file" and the hibernation fails. I have been told that I need to have a FAT partition below the 1024 cylinder boundary but then I have also been told that it will work with NTFS (see messages below)... My setup is as follows: IBM thinkpad 600e model 2645-5AU 256MB RAM. 6GB disk partitioned into 3GB (primary), 2GB(secondary), and 1GB not used. 3GB and 2GB partitions are NTFS. OS is NT4.0 with service pack 3. Thank you very much for your help. (Embedded image moved to file: pic08677.gif) ----- Forwarded by Tony Estrada/Iris on 05/19/99 01:13 PM ----- "Mik's Mail" et1.net> cc: Subject: Re: IBM thinkpad 600e hibernation and NTFS 05/19/99 10:31 AM AST Interesting! I have a 4.0gig drive which is totally dedicated to NT4(NTFS)It hibernates fine. Sounds like the 1024 restriction is preventing hibernation! Try thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (ThinkPad group) to post the question. Mik -----Original Message----- From: Tony_Estrada@iris.com To: Mik's Mail Cc: mestrada@iris.com ; Julio_Estrada@iris.com Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 9:56 AM Subject: Re: IBM thinkpad 600e hibernation and NTFS > >Mik, >Thanks for your help. I have researched the problem about hibernation in >NT with NTFS and the thinkpad 600e. If you don't have a FAT partition >below the 1024 cylinder boundary, the hibernation program cannot create the >hiber-file (error creating hibernation file), thus hibernation will not >kick in. So, I cannot, as I hoped, create a small FAT partition at the end >of the disk to create the hiber-file. The hibernation program cannot >create the file in the NTFS either. >Do you know of a solution other than starting from scratch? Is IBM going >to create a hibernator that works with NTFS? >Thanks again >(Embedded image moved to file: pic19169.gif) > > > > "Mik's Mail" > > et1.net> cc: > Subject: Re: ibm thinkpad 600e hibernation and NTFS > 05/07/99 > 11:31 PM AST > > > > > >Have you taken a look on IBM's websight for the latest device drivers? > >Some good info there! > > Mik > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tony Estrada >Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops >Date: Friday, May 07, 1999 3:01 PM >Subject: ibm thinkpad 600e hibernation and NTFS > > >>Ok, so I know that the TP will not hibernate on an NTFS nor a FAT that is >not >>below the 1024 boundary. Will an upcoming driver allow it to hibernate >under >>ntfs? 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Taylor'" , ThinkPad List Subject: RE: Booting TP 600 from CD-ROM... Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:07:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: David, All this has been done, otherwise the system would not boot from the Microsoft Windows NT Workstation 4.0 CD-ROM that I mentioned. The problem is that it won't boot from an "El Torito" MS-DOS CD-ROM that all of our Compaq and HP desktops will boot. This is both on a TP 600 and 770. Again -- THEY DO BOOT Microsoft CD-ROM's, just not in-house ones (that all other computer systems will boot). Stephen Gutknecht mailto:SGutknecht@i405.com -----Original Message----- From: David W. Taylor [mailto:detayls@sprynet.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 8:06 AM To: ThinkPad List Subject: Booting TP 600 from CD-ROM... Seriously though folks.... Make sure that you have the CD-ROM unit mounted in the UltraBay. Shutdown. Restart your ThinkPad while keeping the F1 keypressed. You will see the IBM logo and enter the BIOS configuration area. Click icons until you see startup. Remove the current startup sequence, which is likely to be Floppy, Hard Drive 1. Add the new sequence, which is probably CD-ROM, Floppy and Hard Drive 1. Click Save and then Restart. (This is *all* explained in the wonderful manual that IBM provides! RTFM *** Read the Friendly Manual ***) -- David W. Taylor, Detayls From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 14:21:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11022 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28256; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 14:14:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27946; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27933; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (206.156.118.51 -> home.brightware.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 14:14:11 -0400 Received: from MACGREGOR (macgregor.brightware.com [206.156.118.251]) by ns1.brightware.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA17356; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007401bea223$4dce8dd0$fb769cce@MACGREGOR> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "zzIML Thinkpad" , "ThinkPad List" References: <69A7A3853AD7D111B81D00805F9F7E03B9E9A1@newberry.vnw.com> Subject: Re: Booting TP 600 from CD-ROM... Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:12:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I have a couple of questions: 1. Have you proven that these CD's boot on other (non-ThinkPad) machines? 2. Have you made sure that you are using the latest BIOS from IBM for these ThinkPads? David ----- Original Message ----- From: zzIML Thinkpad To: 'David W. Taylor' ; ThinkPad List Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 11:07 AM Subject: RE: Booting TP 600 from CD-ROM... > David, > > All this has been done, otherwise the system would not boot from the > Microsoft Windows NT Workstation 4.0 CD-ROM that I mentioned. The problem > is that it won't boot from an "El Torito" MS-DOS CD-ROM that all of our > Compaq and HP desktops will boot. > > This is both on a TP 600 and 770. > > Again -- THEY DO BOOT Microsoft CD-ROM's, just not in-house ones (that all > other computer systems will boot). > > Stephen Gutknecht > mailto:SGutknecht@i405.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: David W. Taylor [mailto:detayls@sprynet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 8:06 AM > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: Booting TP 600 from CD-ROM... > > > Seriously though folks.... > > Make sure that you have the CD-ROM unit mounted in the UltraBay. > > Shutdown. > > Restart your ThinkPad while keeping the F1 keypressed. You will see the IBM > logo and enter the BIOS configuration area. > > Click icons until you see startup. > > Remove the current startup sequence, which is likely to be Floppy, Hard > Drive 1. > > Add the new sequence, which is probably CD-ROM, Floppy and Hard Drive 1. > > Click Save and then Restart. > > (This is *all* explained in the wonderful manual that IBM provides! RTFM > *** Read the Friendly Manual ***) > -- > David W. Taylor, Detayls > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 14:26:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11050 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29299; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 14:23:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29093; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29080; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:23:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 14:23:46 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a247.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.247]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA11986; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905191823.OAA11986@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a247.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.247] 209.198.80.247 Wed, 19 May 1999 14:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:14:56 -0400 To: zzIML Thinkpad , "'David W. Taylor'" , ThinkPad List In-Reply-To: <69A7A3853AD7D111B81D00805F9F7E03B9E9A1@newberry.vnw.com> Subject: RE: Booting TP 600 from CD-ROM... X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >All this has been done, otherwise the system would not boot from the >Microsoft Windows NT Workstation 4.0 CD-ROM that I mentioned. The >problem is that it won't boot from an "El Torito" MS-DOS CD-ROM that all >of our Compaq and HP desktops will boot. FWIW, There is a note in the RSJ CD Writer software (OS2) which states that the even though the "El Torito" spec. allows multi session Cds, they (RSJ) knows of no BIOS in any machine that actually allows a multi-session CD to boot. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 14:50:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11312 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01297; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 14:44:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00878; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hurricane.vnw.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00851; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hurricane.vnw.com (192.220.175.81 -> hurricane.vnw.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 14:44:10 -0400 Received: by hurricane.vnw.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:43:54 -0700 Message-ID: <69A7A3853AD7D111B81D00805F9F7E03B9E9A2@newberry.vnw.com> From: zzIML Thinkpad To: "'David W. Taylor'" , ThinkPad List , "'Bill Morrow'" Subject: RE: 600 / 770 won't boot from El Torito CD-ROM Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:44:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: TP 600 BIOS is IBET40WW has been updated to 4/12/1999. It also fails under the 12/17/1998 previous version that we tested. TP 770 BIOS is IDET30WW is currently 12/16/1998, we are updating it but expect similar results to the 770. What will boot: 8 models of Compaq DeskPro and Proliant server systems, which represent 8 different mainboard + BIOS family versions, boot without incident. Two different models of HP Vectra systems, both of which have different BIOS and mainboard combinations. In fact, we have found no other systems that will fail (although we have no IBM desktops to test with). The boot disk osboot.img is type 4 (hard drive) of 525MB size. It contains MS-DOS 6.22 as the OS. It seems pretty obvious to me that the IBM Thinkpad does support booting CD-ROMs, but not the same way other vendors do. They will boot Win98 / WinNT4 / Win2000Beta3 CD-ROMS from Microsoft, but not those created to the "El Torito" specification using of a hard disk image. At least not a disc that 10 other models of Compaq / HP systems will boot. Bill Morrow has indicated he too has had problems with Thinkpads booting CD-ROMS he has produced. Bill, did your disc boot on desktop systems from IBM or other vendors? Stephen Gutknecht mailto:SGutknecht@i405.com -----Original Message----- From: David W. Taylor [mailto:detayls@sprynet.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 11:13 AM To: zzIML Thinkpad; ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Booting TP 600 from CD-ROM... I have a couple of questions: 1. Have you proven that these CD's boot on other (non-ThinkPad) machines? 2. Have you made sure that you are using the latest BIOS from IBM for these ThinkPads? David ----- Original Message ----- From: zzIML Thinkpad To: 'David W. Taylor' ; ThinkPad List Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 11:07 AM Subject: RE: Booting TP 600 from CD-ROM... > David, > > All this has been done, otherwise the system would not boot from the > Microsoft Windows NT Workstation 4.0 CD-ROM that I mentioned. The problem > is that it won't boot from an "El Torito" MS-DOS CD-ROM that all of our > Compaq and HP desktops will boot. > > This is both on a TP 600 and 770. > > Again -- THEY DO BOOT Microsoft CD-ROM's, just not in-house ones (that all > other computer systems will boot). > > Stephen Gutknecht > mailto:SGutknecht@i405.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: David W. Taylor [mailto:detayls@sprynet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 8:06 AM > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: Booting TP 600 from CD-ROM... > > > Seriously though folks.... > > Make sure that you have the CD-ROM unit mounted in the UltraBay. > > Shutdown. > > Restart your ThinkPad while keeping the F1 keypressed. You will see the IBM > logo and enter the BIOS configuration area. > > Click icons until you see startup. > > Remove the current startup sequence, which is likely to be Floppy, Hard > Drive 1. > > Add the new sequence, which is probably CD-ROM, Floppy and Hard Drive 1. > > Click Save and then Restart. > > (This is *all* explained in the wonderful manual that IBM provides! RTFM > *** Read the Friendly Manual ***) > -- > David W. Taylor, Detayls > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 15:22:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA11726 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03669; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 15:19:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03481; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03465; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (149.159.1.1 -> fallout.campusview.indiana.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 15:18:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA72610; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:18:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:18:40 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Tony_Estrada@iris.com cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM thinkpad 600e hibernation and NTFS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 19 May 1999 Tony_Estrada@iris.com wrote: > Upon attempting to initialize hibernation, the hibernation program returns > the error: "Error creating hibernation file" and the hibernation fails. > I have been told that I need to have a FAT partition below the 1024 > cylinder boundary but then I have also been told that it will work with > NTFS (see messages below)... I'm not inclined to believe the person reporting hibernation on NTFS...there must be some omitted detail. Yes, your hibernation file has to be on a FAT partition below the 1024 cylinder. Since it is BIOS that recovers from hibernation, the hibernation file is bounded by BIOS constraints and whatever minimal code IBM has added to the BIOS find the hibernation file within the filesystem, currently only FAT. Yes, it is a hassle. > (Embedded image moved to file: pic08677.gif) Please, people used to start flamewars over ASCII signatures longer than five or six lines. A 2.7K image?! Please spare us >from this rubbish. -john From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 15:25:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA11758 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04489; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 15:23:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04282; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swissonline.ch (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04222; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swissonline.ch (195.24.64.42 -> www-sol2.swissonline.ch) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 15:23:40 -0400 Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-83-208.swissonline.ch [195.24.83.208]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA22988 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 21:23:16 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199905191923.VAA22988@swissonline.ch> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:24:14 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: TP600E: how can I use it with an IBM EtherJet ? List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I have just purchased a new TP600E and have installed Warp4 FP10 and the wh= ole stuff for connection. I am unable to use this 600 machine with an IBM EtherJet Combo PC Card. Eve= rything seems all right but when I am looking to the card's irq, I get a 4 irq (seems strange as this i= rq is for com1) and when I'm looking at the \ibmcom\lantran.log file I can see that my PC Card ident= ifies the wrong media (it says it is twisted pair and I have real coax...) I am quite certain that the rest of my little lan is working because I have= an old 755 and an Acer desktop and they are running fine. All I do is taking the PC card out from = the 755 and into the 600, reboot both machines but without success. I can ping on my TP600 to itself but not to the other machine. Has anyone any experience on the TP600 machine ? TIA Regards Francois -------------------------------------- I used to have all the answers Then they changed all the questions 05/19/99 21:23:02 Francois Hurter abacab@swissonline.ch From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 19 16:17:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12661 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08499; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 16:15:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08302; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from u1.farm.idt.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08288; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from u1.farm.idt.net (169.132.8.10 -> u1.farm.idt.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 16:14:58 -0400 Received: from idt (ppp-29.ts-5-bay.hck.idt.net [169.132.56.221]) by u1.farm.idt.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id QAA29947 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:14:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "A Kumar" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: 600 / 770 won't boot from El Torito CD-ROM Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:15:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bea234$4ecb54a0$dd3884a9@idt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <69A7A3853AD7D111B81D00805F9F7E03B9E9A2@newberry.vnw.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Just a note, I have made El Torito CDs that boot with my 600 and many other computer, but also fails on many computers. There are two problem first there are no BIOSs that fully supports the El Torito to make matters worse few CD mastering programs correctly support the standard. I have had the best luck using mkisofs under linux, I think there is a Win32 port of it. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 04:14:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA17734 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 04:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05591; Thu, 20 May 1999 04:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 04:11:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05377; Thu, 20 May 1999 04:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newton.uucp (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05361; Thu, 20 May 1999 04:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newton.uucp (206.16.42.14 -> async-lgcy-07-14.lgcy.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 04:11:37 -0400 Received: (from perfekt@localhost) by newton.uucp (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA00758; Thu, 20 May 1999 02:10:26 -0600 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 02:10:26 -0600 (MDT) Reply-To: Aron Hsiao Sender: newton!perfekt@mail.lgcy.com From: Aron Hsiao To: Bob Snyder Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, penzance@icanect.net, "Albert C. Lee" List-Unsubscribe: On 20-May-99 Bob Snyder wrote: > On Wed, 19 May 1999, Albert C. Lee wrote: > >> I made the mistake of getting Redhat 5.2 in the boxed set. You don't >> get anything special, IMHO, other than the manual. Save your money. > > In past versions, RedHat from RedHat would come with some licensed > software that wasn't under GPL, like Metro-X, the BRU backup utility, or > a limited RealAudio server. Dunno if that was the case with 5.2 or 6.0. > > Bob That is indeed still the case, but IMHO, the value-added commercial stuff isn't worth too much (Metro-X is no longer included; it's now Red Hat Secure Web Server, probably not too useful for a portable, and things like BRU). The GPL, on the other hand, is lean and mean, and I prefer it. -Aron -- ### These opinions are mine and no one else's. ### ---------------------------------------------------------------- ### L I N U X : The choice of a GNU generation! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 04:30:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA17843 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 04:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23342; Wed, 19 May 1999 22:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 May 1999 22:15:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23102; Wed, 19 May 1999 22:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from walt.toontown.erial.nj.us (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23085; Wed, 19 May 1999 22:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from walt.toontown.erial.nj.us (209.152.195.120 -> s5-38.ppp.op.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 22:15:25 -0400 Received: by walt.toontown.erial.nj.us (Postfix, from userid 500) id 59B2D29DA; Wed, 19 May 1999 22:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:15:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Snyder To: "Albert C. Lee" Cc: penzance@icanect.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 In-Reply-To: <199905191422.IAA04264@cavecreations.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 19 May 1999, Albert C. Lee wrote: > I made the mistake of getting Redhat 5.2 in the boxed set. You don't > get anything special, IMHO, other than the manual. Save your money. In past versions, RedHat from RedHat would come with some licensed software that wasn't under GPL, like Metro-X, the BRU backup utility, or a limited RealAudio server. Dunno if that was the case with 5.2 or 6.0. Bob From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 12:26:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01914 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26195; Thu, 20 May 1999 09:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 09:46:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25957; Thu, 20 May 1999 09:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msfcmsg3.msfc.nasa.gov (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25941; Thu, 20 May 1999 09:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from msfcmsg3.msfc.nasa.gov (128.158.68.152 -> MSFCMSG3.MSFC.NASA.GOV) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 09:46:12 -0400 Received: by MSFCMSG3.MSFC.NASA.GOV with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 20 May 1999 08:46:08 -0500 Message-ID: <7A8090CE5980D011BE3E0000F84A162D040DF1B9@MSFCMSG3.MSFC.NASA.GOV> From: "Terry, Steve" To: ThinkPad List Subject: RE: RedHat ver. 6 Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:46:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: One other low cost linux source is Cheapbytes at http://cart.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart . I got RedHat 5.2 from them plus some of their archive disks and they were good. They have other distributions as well. Regards, Steve Terry > ---------- > From: Bill Morrow[SMTP:penzance@icanect.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 9:03 AM > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: RedHat ver. 6 > > RedHat seems to want $80+ for the new version.. > anyone have a suggestion for a vendor who is a bit lower cost..? > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 12:26:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01917 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22016; Thu, 20 May 1999 08:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 08:37:11 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21795; Thu, 20 May 1999 08:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 08:37:08 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id IAA18491 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 20 May 1999 08:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stars.cisco.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09128; Wed, 19 May 1999 10:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stars.cisco.com (171.71.112.28 -> stars.cisco.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 May 1999 10:35:54 -0400 Received: from mill.cisco.com (mill.cisco.com [161.44.200.11]) by stars.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA20085; Wed, 19 May 1999 07:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:34:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: "Albert C. Lee" cc: penzance@icanect.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 In-Reply-To: <199905191422.IAA04264@cavecreations.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Cheapbytes.com also sells it for something like $1.99, and while you do get the manuals with the "expensive" version, you *also* get the manuals with the CD-ROM version... just in "soft" form. IMHO, you gain nothing except support with the ~$70.00 version. If support's what you want, go for it. If it's your first-time Linux purchase, I even lean toward it. If you fly by your pants, or have installed Linux previously, download or any of the vendors mentioned is the way to go. (I downloaded it; takes about a day on a 56Kbit Frame Relay link.) Note: just to revisit an old issue, most "modern" Thinkpad modems won't work with Linux, as they're WinModems (use the CPU to do the processing instead of an on-board DSP as most "real" modems do), and Linux doesn't support them. Ken On Wed, 19 May 1999, Albert C. Lee wrote: > Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:22:13 -0600 (MDT) > From: "Albert C. Lee" > To: penzance@icanect.net > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 > > If you don't need the manuals, you should just go for the GPL version: > > http://www.linuxcentral.com/products/lccd/redhat-6.0-gpl/ > > for $2.95 plus shipping. > > I made the mistake of getting Redhat 5.2 in the boxed set. You don't > get anything special, IMHO, other than the manual. Save your money. > > -Al > > > > > > RedHat seems to want $80+ for the new version.. > > anyone have a suggestion for a vendor who is a bit lower cost..? > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage > will > > vary, Done on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sent by Pop3Now, http://www.pop3now.com > (c) 1998,1999 Cave Creations Corp. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BEA283.5028F6F0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 12:43:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02565 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07752; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 12:40:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07508; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07494; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (149.174.183.75 -> smtp6.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 12:40:18 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:40:11 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id MAA24028 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905201639.MAA24028@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:43:55 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RedHat why v6 over v5.2? List-Unsubscribe: >> From: Bill Morrow[SMTP:penzance@icanect.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 9:03 AM >> To: ThinkPad List >> Subject: RedHat ver. 6 >> >> RedHat seems to want $80+ for the new version.. >> anyone have a suggestion for a vendor who is a bit lower cost..? I have v5.2 boxed (the Macmillan version, from OfficeMax's "free after rebate" sale). Never got around to installing it. For my ThinkPad (i.e. no SMP requirements, for instance :), should I get v6, perhaps on a download through my cablemodem? Or should I start with v5.2 and move to v6 later? Any advice appreciated! andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 12:57:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03308 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09203; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 12:56:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09047; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09032; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 12:55:56 -0400 Received: from richard (209-122-227-212.s212.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.227.212]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id MAA20682; Thu, 20 May 1999 12:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990520124209.0098b100@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:55:38 -0400 To: "Andrew Webber" From: richard Subject: Re: RedHat why v6 over v5.2? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199905201639.MAA24028@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:43 PM 5/20/99 -0400, you wrote: >I have v5.2 boxed (the Macmillan version, from OfficeMax's "free >after rebate" sale). Never got around to installing it. > >For my ThinkPad (i.e. no SMP requirements, for instance :), should >I get v6, perhaps on a download through my cablemodem? Or should I >start with v5.2 and move to v6 later? Inspired by this thread, I downloaded RH 6 last night. It took me an hour or two to download through cable modem. Installation was fast and relatively painless. v6 has three installation types - workstation, server and custom. I just specified workstation and let it fly. v5.2 is not quite as automated. (Infoworld says Caldera openlinux is even more automated and better for desktop use) Only issue was network setup - as part of the installation routine, it asks if you want to configure for a LAN - if you say yes it lists a bunch of NIC's, and won't configure networking unless it finds the NIC you chose. No pccard NICs are listed, so you can't configure a LAN as part of the installation routine (or, if you can, I couldn't figure out how to do it). Run Linuxconf to configure networking later. (Linuxconf allows you to use DHCP for networking config, but it only seems to configure IP, I had to specify gateway and DNS by hand. There's probably a way to use linuxconf's DHCP for for gateway and DNS, but I haven't figured it out in a half-hour of use). Anyway, browsing and word processing are my major needs, and Netscape and WordPerfect (linux.corel.com) worked fine out of the box. Only flaw is the inability to use the builtin Lucent WinModem From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 13:21:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03796 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 13:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11513; Thu, 20 May 1999 13:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 13:14:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11019; Thu, 20 May 1999 13:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10960; Thu, 20 May 1999 13:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 13:13:39 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-164.gate.net [199.227.20.227]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA454774; Thu, 20 May 1999 13:14:54 -0400 Message-ID: <374442AD.D0673928@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:13:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: RedHat why v6 over v5.2? References: <199905201639.MAA24028@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Andrew.. >from what i have been told, go for ver. 6.. Andrew Webber wrote: > >> From: Bill Morrow[SMTP:penzance@icanect.net] > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 9:03 AM > >> To: ThinkPad List > >> Subject: RedHat ver. 6 > >> > >> RedHat seems to want $80+ for the new version.. > >> anyone have a suggestion for a vendor who is a bit lower cost..? > > I have v5.2 boxed (the Macmillan version, from OfficeMax's "free > after rebate" sale). Never got around to installing it. > > For my ThinkPad (i.e. no SMP requirements, for instance :), should > I get v6, perhaps on a download through my cablemodem? Or should I > start with v5.2 and move to v6 later? > > Any advice appreciated! > > andrew > ------ > my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BEA2BA.EEFB5CA0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 14:33:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04760 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17564; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 14:28:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17137; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17123; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 14:28:42 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA15921; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:28:08 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from galileo.concentric.net (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA11546; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:28:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Yong Whang X-Sender: Ywhang@galileo.cris.com To: "Ken D'Ambrosio" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 19 May 1999, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: > Note: just to revisit an old issue, most "modern" Thinkpad modems won't > work with Linux, as they're WinModems (use the CPU to do the processing > instead of an on-board DSP as most "real" modems do), and Linux doesn't > support them. I've seen this stated several times, now, but I still don't understand the reasoning behind it. Is it just because there are no Linux drivers for it? I mean Linux can use the CPU to do modem processing just as well as any other OS can... Are there no info to write the Linux drivers? Or hard real-time constraints? Or what? Yong Whang From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 15:00:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05132 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20118; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 14:53:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19874; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19847; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (149.174.183.74 -> smtp5.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 14:53:11 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:53:01 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id OAA16486 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905201852.OAA16486@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:56:25 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: RedHat why v6 over v5.2? List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 20 May 1999 12:55:38 -0400, richard wrote: >Anyway, browsing and word processing are my major needs, and Netscape and >WordPerfect (linux.corel.com) worked fine out of the box. > >Only flaw is the inability to use the builtin Lucent WinModem On Thu, 20 May 1999 13:13:17 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Andrew.. >from what i have been told, go for ver. 6.. Thanks to you both! Sounds like I should download and then burn a CD of what I get. This modem thing is getting annoyinger and annoyinger; I've started using the modem monitor and it seems I usually get about 21k-24k at home. That's with the modem rated at 33.6k! If I get the latest patches for my TP600 to bring it up to 56k, will I get anything faster than 21-24k, or will it slow down even further? Thanks! andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 15:03:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05170 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20623; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 14:57:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20460; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20447; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.109 -> pilot009.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 14:57:09 -0400 Received: from andres (pm531-23.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.25]) by pilot009.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA67918 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:57:05 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990520145929.008bc210@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:59:29 -0400 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: RedHat why v6 over v5.2? In-Reply-To: <199905201852.OAA16486@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Andrew, side question for you: where did you get this modem monitor? I have a TP 1451 i and see no such beast in my collection of software. If you got it somewhere that I could get it, I'd love to know about it. Thanks, STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 02:56 PM 5/20/99 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: >On Thu, 20 May 1999 12:55:38 -0400, richard wrote: > >>Anyway, browsing and word processing are my major needs, and Netscape and >>WordPerfect (linux.corel.com) worked fine out of the box. >> >>Only flaw is the inability to use the builtin Lucent WinModem > > >On Thu, 20 May 1999 13:13:17 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >>Andrew.. >>from what i have been told, go for ver. 6.. > >Thanks to you both! > >Sounds like I should download and then burn a CD of what I get. >This modem thing is getting annoyinger and annoyinger; I've started >using the modem monitor and it seems I usually get about 21k-24k at >home. That's with the modem rated at 33.6k! If I get the latest >patches for my TP600 to bring it up to 56k, will I get anything >faster than 21-24k, or will it slow down even further? > >Thanks! > >andrew >------ >my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 15:12:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05280 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21920; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 15:09:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21712; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21695; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (149.174.183.74 -> smtp5.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 15:09:47 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:09:39 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id PAA19416; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905201909.PAA19416@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "STeve Andre'" Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:13:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: RedHat why v6 over v5.2? List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 20 May 1999 14:59:29 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >Andrew, side question for you: where did you get this modem monitor? >I have a TP 1451 i and see no such beast in my collection of software. >If you got it somewhere that I could get it, I'd love to know about it. I just found out about it here on the list a week or two ago. On my TP600, it's under START|PROGRAMS|THINKPADMODEM|MODEM. Which is a link to C:\MWW\MODEM\MWMWIN.EXE Hope this helps. andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 15:14:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05307 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22454; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 15:12:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22207; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot004.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22182; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot004.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.104 -> pilot004.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 15:12:52 -0400 Received: from andres (pm531-23.dialip.mich.net [35.9.49.25]) by pilot004.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA28866 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:12:48 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990520151512.008c5a00@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:15:12 -0400 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: RedHat why v6 over v5.2? In-Reply-To: <199905201909.PAA19416@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Alas, I have no such beast on my 1451i. Thanks for the pointer however. --STeve At 03:13 PM 5/20/99 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: >On Thu, 20 May 1999 14:59:29 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > >>Andrew, side question for you: where did you get this modem monitor? >>I have a TP 1451 i and see no such beast in my collection of software. >>If you got it somewhere that I could get it, I'd love to know about it. > >I just found out about it here on the list a week or two ago. On >my TP600, it's under START|PROGRAMS|THINKPADMODEM|MODEM. Which is >a link to C:\MWW\MODEM\MWMWIN.EXE > >Hope this helps. > > >andrew >------ >my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 15:46:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05669 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24950; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 15:38:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24434; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24409; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 15:37:53 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27114; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <3744646B.470237C3@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:37:15 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yong Whang CC: "Ken D'Ambrosio" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes, there simply are no drivers for Linux. I've heard that it is because IBM hasn't released the necessary documentation for people to write the drivers. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 15:46:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05674 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25089; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 15:38:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24526; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kramer.ne.mediaone.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24393; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kramer.ne.mediaone.net (24.128.125.14 -> kramer.ne.mediaone.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 15:37:47 -0400 Received: from kramer.ne.mediaone.net (bela.pegasystems.com [207.121.196.65]) by kramer.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17037 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:39:05 -0400 Message-ID: <374464D2.9BDCCE80@kramer.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:38:58 -0400 From: David Kramer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yong Whang wrote: > On Wed, 19 May 1999, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: > > Note: just to revisit an old issue, most "modern" Thinkpad modems won't > > work with Linux, as they're WinModems (use the CPU to do the processing > > instead of an on-board DSP as most "real" modems do), and Linux doesn't > > support them. > I've seen this stated several times, now, but I still don't understand > the reasoning behind it. Is it just because there are no Linux > drivers for it? I mean Linux can use the CPU to do modem processing > just as well as any other OS can... Are there no info to write > the Linux drivers? Or hard real-time constraints? Or what? I'll attempt to answer this one. With WinModems, the hardware modem is VERY low level- there's essentially one chip that can do signal processing. It knows nothing about being a modem. A program on the Windows box performs all the modem operations, using the hardware modem for little more than an A/D D/A converter. So it's not a matter of writing a small c driver for it, it's a matter of writing a complete modem emulator in memory then figuring out how to get it to talk to the hardware (I am assuming each WinModem has a proprietary API). Even if one knew everything one needed to know about how to talk to the hardware, it would take one a very long time to write the code in linux. Mind you, once written, it would prolly run better under linux than win9x since linux has better multitasking, but those are the hurdles as I understand them. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- DDDD David Kramer david@kramer.ne.mediaone.net DK KD http://start.at/david.kramer DKK D DK KD It is appallingly obvious that our technology DDDD exceeds our humanity. Albert Einstein From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 16:01:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05988 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26759; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 15:54:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26553; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26420; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (207.69.200.32 -> smtp2.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 15:53:25 -0400 Received: from jpd (user-38ldejf.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.186.111]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA14054 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990520154854.00938830@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jdiebold@mail.mindspring.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:51:08 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jean-Pierre Diebold Subject: [TP770ED]: Using a Plextor CDRecorder Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I am thinking of buying a Plextor CDRecorder (either 4/12 or 8/20) to use with my Thinkpad 770ED - 9549-5AU. Has anyone tried this before? If so, should I expect any problems? Keep in mind that I will be using the internal Ultrabay II DVD Drive as a source. Thanks in advance. Jean-Pierre From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 16:02:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA06009 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27785; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 16:00:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27508; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.zbzoom.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27469; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.zbzoom.net (208.236.36.3 -> ns1.zbzoom.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 16:00:27 -0400 Received: from tomscomputer (lcm167.zbzoom.net [208.236.37.167]) by ns1.zbzoom.net (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) with SMTP id PAA02279 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 15:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Thomas A. 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The host CPU is not performing all the signal processing, but it may be interpreting AT commands etc. I would imagine that most of the driver "code" is for the DSP, and this could in theory be identical to the DSP code used in Windows. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 16:18:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA06226 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29807; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 16:12:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29492; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29451; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 16:12:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA06795; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:12:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:12:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: "Thomas A. 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List-Unsubscribe: Enjoy, Bruce Komar From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 17:40:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA07066 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 17:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05909; Thu, 20 May 1999 17:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 17:33:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05588; Thu, 20 May 1999 17:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05573; Thu, 20 May 1999 17:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (24.0.0.66 -> ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 17:32:51 -0400 Received: from home.com ([24.1.76.221]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with ESMTP id <19990520213248.WVLW20548.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:32:48 -0700 Message-ID: <37448027.F38D9026@home.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:35:35 -0700 From: Tom Minger Reply-To: tminger@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unsubscribe References: <000201bea2fb$eb4f8220$a725ecd0@zbzoom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 17:46:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA07121 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 17:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06988; Thu, 20 May 1999 17:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 17:42:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06750; Thu, 20 May 1999 17:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06730; Thu, 20 May 1999 17:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 17:42:17 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.18.218]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990520214212.CBUN27071@770>; Thu, 20 May 1999 21:42:12 +0000 Message-ID: <374481BE.7259@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:42:22 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jean-Pierre Diebold CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP770ED]: Using a Plextor CDRecorder References: <4.1.19990520154854.00938830@mail.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The only problem is that I don't find the IBM drive to be the greatest as far a making copies, especially for DAE. I use an internal Toshiba 32X SCSI CD ROM as the source, and an external Ricoh SCSI CD-RW.THiw works great, wven with my P75 755CDV Jean-Pierre Diebold wrote: > > I am thinking of buying a Plextor CDRecorder (either 4/12 or 8/20) to use > with my Thinkpad 770ED - 9549-5AU. > > Has anyone tried this before? If so, should I expect any problems? Keep > in mind that I will be using the internal Ultrabay II DVD Drive as a source. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jean-Pierre From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 18:03:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA07294 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 18:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08790; Thu, 20 May 1999 18:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 18:01:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08558; Thu, 20 May 1999 18:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08537; Thu, 20 May 1999 18:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (198.161.157.104 -> edtnps04.telusplanet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 18:01:10 -0400 Received: from clgr000018.hs.telusplanet.net ([161.184.80.18]:61739 "HELO tp770xgsnt.sivco.com") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <227443-26472>; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:00:44 -0600 From: Geza Szivos/SIVCO Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:03:01 -0600 To: Jean-Pierre Diebold cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP770ED]: Using a Plextor CDRecorder Message-ID: <2B1BE52778DF5AE38725677700790BD4.0000000000000000@sivco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have the EXTERNAL version and using the Adaptec PCMCIA to write to the drive. I'm happy with the 8/20 version. Jean-Pierre Diebold on 05/20/99 01:51:08 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu cc: FaxTo: Subject: [TP770ED]: Using a Plextor CDRecorder I am thinking of buying a Plextor CDRecorder (either 4/12 or 8/20) to use with my Thinkpad 770ED - 9549-5AU. Has anyone tried this before? If so, should I expect any problems? Keep in mind that I will be using the internal Ultrabay II DVD Drive as a source. Thanks in advance. Jean-Pierre From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 19:36:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA08140 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 19:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13702; Thu, 20 May 1999 19:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 19:34:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13494; Thu, 20 May 1999 19:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13481; Thu, 20 May 1999 19:34:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 19:34:27 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (tempa39.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.39]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA03796; Thu, 20 May 1999 19:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905202334.TAA03796@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from tempa39.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.39] 207.136.202.39 Thu, 20 May 1999 19:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:22:31 -0400 To: I Lee Hetherington , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3744646B.470237C3@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >Yes, there simply are no drivers for Linux. I've heard that it is >because IBM hasn't released the necessary documentation for people to >write the drivers. I don't know your information is true or not, but when I made noise that got a little attention and then asked about a 56K driver for OS2 I was told (and this is for real from someone in the position to know), the "vendor has decided not to do one and nothing has happened to get him to change the decision." I wish I was in charge so I could fire someone! _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 20:48:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA08617 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 20:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17335; Thu, 20 May 1999 20:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 20:47:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17162; Thu, 20 May 1999 20:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17147; Thu, 20 May 1999 20:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (149.174.183.75 -> smtp6.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 20:47:16 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 May 1999 20:47:12 -0400 Sender: dominiquebertrand@csi.com Received: from csi.com (sfr-pci-pqu-vty121.as.wcom.net [216.192.29.121]) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with ESMTP id UAA10004 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 20:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3744ABF3.62ECAC34@csi.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:42:27 -0700 From: Dominique BERTRAND Reply-To: dominiquebertrand@csi.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 765D user Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi I am a Thinkpad user. I would like to join the group. What do I need to do and do you have a site? dominique From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 21:38:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA09055 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 21:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19709; Thu, 20 May 1999 21:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 21:34:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19532; Thu, 20 May 1999 21:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19518; Thu, 20 May 1999 21:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (165.87.194.239 -> out4.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 21:34:07 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (slip-32-100-39-154.nj.us.ibm.net [32.100.39.154]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA75516; Fri, 21 May 1999 01:34:00 GMT Message-ID: <002d01bea32b$2b4de900$9a276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: , "I Lee Hetherington" , References: <199905202334.TAA03796@pike.sover.net> Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:42:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: What Vendor??? We are discussing the TP Modem (MWave) right? That is IBM's not some third party modem. I would doubt the source. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: To: I Lee Hetherington ; Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 7:22 PM Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 > >Yes, there simply are no drivers for Linux. I've heard that it is > >because IBM hasn't released the necessary documentation for people to > >write the drivers. > > I don't know your information is true or not, but when I made noise that > got a little attention and then asked about a 56K driver for OS2 I was > told (and this is for real from someone in the position to know), the > "vendor has decided not to do one and nothing has happened to get him to > change the decision." > > I wish I was in charge so I could fire someone! > > > _____________ > letoured@sover.net > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 21:53:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA09217 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 21:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20636; Thu, 20 May 1999 21:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 21:52:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20487; Thu, 20 May 1999 21:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20467; Thu, 20 May 1999 21:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (149.174.183.74 -> smtp5.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 21:52:02 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 May 1999 21:51:56 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-12.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id VAA15836 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 21:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905210151.VAA15836@hil-img-12.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:55:29 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: eFax: My brain is spinning!! List-Unsubscribe: [I'm posting this here because you're all such bright people]. I'm going nuts. I just signed up for eFax. (It's a service that receives faxes and emails them to you in a compressed format). They gave me a personal eFax number which looks like a real phone number. I sent myself a fax from my fax machine. No coversheet, no identification, actually just a 1/4 page of hand-written notes I made this morning. Within 30 seconds, there was an email for me. It was the fax! 1. How do can they hand out phone numbers like this? I was expecting them to require and extra code or something! 2. What's their business model? Are they going to make it up on sales of the enhanced (800#) service? For being on the road, this would be absolutely incredible! I've been wondering about looking into fax service from my cell-phone company (I've seen ads from others -- the fax is "received" on your cell phone but actually stored like vmail at the company, then you find a local fax machine and redirect the fax). This is partly better & partly worse. But it's free! I don't want this to sound like a commercial. Forget the business case (maybe it's the usual "there's no business case" of the Internet), how the heck are they doing this? And are there any worries other than security of the fax (which is a bigger problem at a hotel fax machine)? Thanks! andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 22:05:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA09335 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 22:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21525; Thu, 20 May 1999 22:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 22:04:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21326; Thu, 20 May 1999 22:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21302; Thu, 20 May 1999 22:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (24.113.61.37 -> cr634166-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 22:03:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (sdraper@localhost) by vip.psychonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA06343; Thu, 20 May 1999 19:03:51 -0700 Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:03:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Draper To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: bill@thinkpads.com Subject: Thinkpad 755ce processor upgrade. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I've had many requests for more information on the AMD CPU upgrade I did on my 755ce with a bad cpu. I'd gladly take digital pictures of the entire processs if I did it again but for now we'll have to live without. I guess to start you need a AMD cpu, I got mine from a Kingston desktop upgrade board. I removed the fan from the CPU (which wasn't easy)-use a dremel to smooth the CPU surface after removal. I then used a heat gun to remove the CPU from the pc board. I then cleaned the excess solder off the pins and set it aside. Next is to open up the ThinkPad, for any model I strongly suggest grabbing the hardware manual pdf's from the IBM ftp site, they will basically show you how to disassemble a thinkpad. The ThinkPad 755 series is quite nice because the CPU card unplugs. I very carefully used hot air once again to remove the original Intel DX4-100 CPU-you need to be extremely careful to not melt the plastic plugs. In my case I used heat resistant tape around everything but the CPU and then put a metal shield over the plastic plugs. Once the CPU is removed clean the pads with solder wick. Drop the new CPU in place and solder it in. Take note of pin 1 on the CPU's as the labels are 90 degrees offset so just dropping the AMD in the same way the Intel label faced will result in an ugly mess. The datasheets for both CPU's are available in PDF format from the respective manufacterers. The AMD is designed to be a direct drop in replacement for the Intel in most respects. The only difference is the clock multipler pin, pins 10&11 had to be tied together to get a x4 clock. Both the Intel and AMD CPU's support write-back and write-through caching. Writeback is not enabled by IBM on the original DX-100 so I don't think it is supported by the motherboard and therefore just left everything in write-through mode(which means you don't have to change any other pins!) After the CPU is soldered in put your thinkpad back together and reset the bios(initialize in easy setup), my 755ce reports an "unknown" CPU but works perfect so far...its running linux and has compiled for many many hours without any problems. If anyone is interested I can point them towards a source for the AMD desktop replacement CPU's for about 40 dollars US, if anyone want one soldered in I can do that as well for a higher cost. I would rate this upgrade as too difficult for most, especially if you have a dx4-100 model already that works(mine didn't), I think its a much more worthwhile option for people with 33 Mhz CPU's Just for interests sake I have compared linux running on a AST 950N (Pentium 75) and my TP755ce with the AMD processor and the 755ce wins handsdown speed wise-these are just linux compile speed times, not anything totally offical. Having the proper equipment is what will make this upgrade a success for people, if you know how to solder well and have a heatgun or hot air rework equipment you're all set. Once last thing....ThinkPads rules! This opinion is my own of course but has been formed after owning many thinkpads...TP720, TP750c, TP755ce, TP755cx, TP701c, TP510cs, TP760cd, TP755ce(#2) and a TP770ed I run Linux, FreeBSD and Windoze95 (for DVD's!) on the 770ed, if anyone needs help configuring linux or freebsd on a 770 feel free to email. cheers to all, Steve thinkpad@psychonet.net devel@psychonet.net btw: Bill if you do want to post this or a variation of this on thinkpads.com you're more then welcome too. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 22:23:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA09552 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 22:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22659; Thu, 20 May 1999 22:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 22:21:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22392; Thu, 20 May 1999 22:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22371; Thu, 20 May 1999 22:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp2.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 22:21:08 -0400 Received: from leland.stanford.edu (Banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.64.168.119]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3/L) with ESMTP id TAA23336; Thu, 20 May 1999 19:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3744C381.B08FC7EA@leland.stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:22:57 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: eFax: My brain is spinning!! References: <199905210151.VAA15836@hil-img-12.compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well, I have JFAX, which is the same thing - my faxes are free and come to me as .TIF attachments. The simple answer to your question can be found in the User Agreement (you did read that didn't you?). In it, you agree to receive "unsolicited commercial email." So the company makes its money by selling your personal details to marketing companies, who then merrily send you information about their "valuable" services and products. I've had my fair share of crap arrive ever since I signed up for JFAX. Fortunately my filters work, so I receive spam only once from each source - then I block it. I figure the minor (for now) spam annoyance is worth the $100+ I'd need for a fax machine proper. Benjamin Andrew Webber wrote: > > [I'm posting this here because you're all such bright people]. > > I'm going nuts. I just signed up for eFax. (It's a service that > receives faxes and emails them to you in a compressed format). > > They gave me a personal eFax number which looks like a real phone > number. I sent myself a fax from my fax machine. No coversheet, > no identification, actually just a 1/4 page of hand-written notes I > made this morning. > > Within 30 seconds, there was an email for me. It was the fax! > > 1. How do can they hand out phone numbers like this? I was > expecting them to require and extra code or something! > 2. What's their business model? Are they going to make it up on > sales of the enhanced (800#) service? > > For being on the road, this would be absolutely incredible! I've > been wondering about looking into fax service from my cell-phone > company (I've seen ads from others -- the fax is "received" on your > cell phone but actually stored like vmail at the company, then you > find a local fax machine and redirect the fax). This is partly > better & partly worse. But it's free! > > I don't want this to sound like a commercial. Forget the business > case (maybe it's the usual "there's no business case" of the > Internet), how the heck are they doing this? And are there any > worries other than security of the fax (which is a bigger problem > at a hotel fax machine)? > > Thanks! > > andrew > ------ > my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 23:16:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA10099 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25158; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 23:13:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24989; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24976; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (149.174.183.74 -> smtp5.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 23:13:48 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:13:44 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-11.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id XAA03715; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905210312.XAA03715@hil-img-11.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "Benjamin Koh" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:16:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: eFax: My brain is spinning!! List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 20 May 1999 19:22:57 -0700, Benjamin Koh wrote: >Well, I have JFAX, which is the same thing - my faxes are free and come >to me as .TIF attachments. The simple answer to your question can be >found in the User Agreement (you did read that didn't you?). In it, you >agree to receive "unsolicited commercial email." So the company makes >its money by selling your personal details to marketing companies, who >then merrily send you information about their "valuable" services and >products. I've had my fair share of crap arrive ever since I signed up >for JFAX. Fortunately my filters work, so I receive spam only once from >each source - then I block it. I figure the minor (for now) spam >annoyance is worth the $100+ I'd need for a fax machine proper. Well, I skimmed it (really I did, I read the part about "Your privacy is very important to us. However, we collect and, in some cases, disclose information about you as part of the normal operation of our site."). I did notice they could provide access to me to third parties. The one I paid attention to was, "when I accessed through another site". I have a fax machine. A nice one. Plain paper (thermal ribbon), 512k memory. It will even stick the incoming fax into memory then re-send it elsewhere (haven't tried that). But it's immobile. And there has to be someone here to tell me I've got a fax, when I'm away. Not that I get many faxes -- certainly many fewer than five years ago! Thanks for your comments. I agree that the spam is probably worth the cost of buying a fax machine. In my case, it's probably worth getting the spam for the flexibility. Unless someone knows of a pay-for service that would give me similar flexibility to receive faxes without the junk? Thanks! andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 23:18:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA10115 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25534; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 23:16:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25333; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25307; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (207.229.143.11 -> thor.enteract.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 23:16:07 -0400 Received: (qmail 2517 invoked from network); 21 May 1999 03:14:20 -0000 Received: from 207-229-150-42.d.enteract.com (HELO personal) (207.229.150.42) by thor.enteract.com with SMTP; 21 May 1999 03:14:20 -0000 Message-ID: <01fe01bea338$8a36dd20$02000003@personal> Reply-To: "Stan Mocek" From: "Stan Mocek" To: References: <199905210151.VAA15836@hil-img-12.compuserve.com> <3744C381.B08FC7EA@leland.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: eFax: My brain is spinning!! Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:18:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Benjamin Koh said: > Well, I have JFAX, which is the same thing - my faxes are free and come > to me as .TIF attachments. The simple answer to your question can be > found in the User Agreement (you did read that didn't you?). In it, you > agree to receive "unsolicited commercial email." Don't know about JFAX, but I've signed up for eFax and there was nothing about UCE in their User Agreement. They do have a for pay premium service and are selling advertising on their web page. I haven't received anymore junkmail than usual either. -- Stan Mocek mocek@azb.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 20 23:54:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA10435 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27629; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 23:53:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27484; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27471; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 23:53:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA08753; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:50:07 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Stan Mocek cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: eFax: My brain is spinning!! In-Reply-To: <01fe01bea338$8a36dd20$02000003@personal> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: If jfax is actually JetFax then JFAX and eFax are one in the same as JetFax renamed itself to eFax. On Thu, 20 May 1999, Stan Mocek wrote: > Benjamin Koh said: > > > > Well, I have JFAX, which is the same thing - my faxes are free and come > > to me as .TIF attachments. The simple answer to your question can be > > found in the User Agreement (you did read that didn't you?). In it, you > > agree to receive "unsolicited commercial email." > > Don't know about JFAX, but I've signed up for eFax and there was nothing > about UCE in their User Agreement. They do have a for pay premium service > and are selling advertising on their web page. I haven't received anymore > junkmail than usual either. > > -- > Stan Mocek > mocek@azb.com > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 00:00:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA10497 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 00:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28122; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 May 1999 23:58:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27939; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.ticnet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27926; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.ticnet.com (209.186.224.11 -> smtp.ticnet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 May 1999 23:58:00 -0400 Received: from [209.186.238.226] (helo=jim760ed) by smtp.ticnet.com with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10kgTM-0005ju-00; Thu, 20 May 1999 22:59:49 -0500 Message-ID: <37448562.57F@ticnet.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:57:54 +0000 From: Jim McGhee X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 References: <374464D2.9BDCCE80@kramer.ne.mediaone.net> <37446A56.973B3479@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I've seen a post that RedHat 6 could be downloaded for free, but no one posted the URL. Would anyone like to post it? Thanks, Jim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 01:19:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA11089 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 01:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01483; Fri, 21 May 1999 01:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 01:14:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01379; Fri, 21 May 1999 01:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from net1.nw.com.au (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01341; Fri, 21 May 1999 01:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from net1.nw.com.au (203.18.240.2 -> Net1.nw.com.au) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 01:14:15 -0400 Received: from greg (Jedi-236.nw.com.au [203.33.252.76]) by net1.nw.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA21933; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:35:56 +0800 Message-ID: <00a001bea348$b09b67a0$4cfc21cb@greg> From: "Greg" To: "Jim McGhee" , Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:13:33 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Yep me 2. want to try it out for the first time Also if someone can explain is it memory hungry like windows? I want to run it on a dx2-50 laptop with 12 meg ram -----Original Message----- From: Jim McGhee To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 11:59 AM Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 >Hi all, >I've seen a post that RedHat 6 could be downloaded for free, but no one >posted the URL. >Would anyone like to post it? > >Thanks, >Jim > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 01:46:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA11205 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 01:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02557; Fri, 21 May 1999 01:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 01:41:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02428; Fri, 21 May 1999 01:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02414; Fri, 21 May 1999 01:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 01:41:16 -0400 Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id WAA11075 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 22:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990520223942.00b209c0@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:40:43 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: RedHat ver. 6 (Download sites) In-Reply-To: <37448562.57F@ticnet.com> References: <374464D2.9BDCCE80@kramer.ne.mediaone.net> <37446A56.973B3479@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:57 PM 5/20/99 , Jim McGhee wrote: >Hi all, >I've seen a post that RedHat 6 could be downloaded for free, but no one >posted the URL. >Would anyone like to post it? Try: http://www.redhat.com/mirrors.html for a list of download sites. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 10:27:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA03238 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01959; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 09:44:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01741; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01654; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (149.174.183.73 -> smtp4.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 09:44:29 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:44:18 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id JAA08794 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905211343.JAA08794@hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:47:51 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: eFax: My brain is spinning!! List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 20 May 1999 23:50:07 -0400 (EDT), rj wrote: >If jfax is actually JetFax then JFAX and eFax are one in the same as >JetFax renamed itself to eFax. > >On Thu, 20 May 1999, Stan Mocek wrote: > >> Benjamin Koh said: >> >> >> > Well, I have JFAX, which is the same thing - my faxes are free and come >> > to me as .TIF attachments. The simple answer to your question can be >> > found in the User Agreement (you did read that didn't you?). In it, you >> > agree to receive "unsolicited commercial email." According to their FAQ (I was reading late last night), if you have Windows they send the attachment as .efx, a proprietary ultra-condensed format. All other platforms get TIFF-F. andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 10:27:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA03241 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01732; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 09:43:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01415; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01402; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (149.174.183.73 -> smtp4.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 09:43:23 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:43:16 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id JAA08590; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905211342.JAA08590@hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "Stan Mocek" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:46:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: eFax: My brain is spinning!! List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 20 May 1999 22:18:03 -0500, Stan Mocek wrote: >Don't know about JFAX, but I've signed up for eFax and there was nothing >about UCE in their User Agreement. They do have a for pay premium service >and are selling advertising on their web page. I haven't received anymore >junkmail than usual either. > >-- >Stan Mocek >mocek@azb.com In their "privacy statement" (linked right from www.efax.com), "Also, we may use information about you to provide you with ads or offers from advertisers that we think may be relevant to you, but in these cases we do not disclose any personally identifiable information about you to third parties." I'm glad to hear this will probably only be a small blip in the already significant flow of UCE that I receive. Sounds like it might be safe to start giving out the number and switch people from my current fax machine. Thanks again! andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 10:31:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA03475 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01204; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 09:38:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00812; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00792; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 09:38:51 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00777; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <374561B5.7071E5B3@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:37:57 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: turgut kalfaoglu CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Sound with Linux? References: <199905210805.MAA01459@home.egenet.com.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I use the commercial OSS sound drivers for my TP600. I believe they can be obtained for $20 from www.4front-tech.com. There is a free trial version as well. If needed, I can post my OSS config files. I believe I had to manually enter some IRQ and DMA parameters. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 10:37:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA03594 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11486; Fri, 21 May 1999 05:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 05:03:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11353; Fri, 21 May 1999 05:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11340; Fri, 21 May 1999 05:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (195.174.27.3 -> home.egenet.com.tr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 05:03:24 -0400 Received: from tk-os2.egenet.com.tr (tk-os2.egenet.com.tr [195.174.27.7]) by http://www.egenet.com.tr home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA01459 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:05:17 +0400 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199905210805.MAA01459@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:03:17 -0100 (TUR) Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Sound with Linux? List-Unsubscribe: Hi there.. My TP600 seems largely quiet after installing Linux-Mandrake :) I was wondering if I was missing something :( thanks, -turgut -- turgut@egenet.com.tr - Put "Send PGP" in Subject to obtain my PGP signature. Find-It! Web Search Engine: http://find.egenet.com.tr http://bbsturk.bbs.tr Windows Error 023: Out of disk space. Delete Windows? (Y)es (H)ell yes! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 10:55:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04102 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06166; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 10:54:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05961; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05948; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 10:53:58 -0400 Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10561 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:53:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10539 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:53:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990521105520.00adfbd0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:55:20 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: eFax: My brain is spinning!! In-Reply-To: <199905211343.JAA08794@hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:47 AM 5/21/99 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: >According to their FAQ (I was reading late last night), if you have >Windows they send the attachment as .efx, a proprietary >ultra-condensed format. All other platforms get TIFF-F. > You can change your options to get the TIFF format instead. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 11:18:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04400 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 11:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07528; Fri, 21 May 1999 11:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 11:13:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07333; Fri, 21 May 1999 11:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07305; Fri, 21 May 1999 11:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 11:13:06 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-080.usc.edu [128.125.223.80]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA05192; Fri, 21 May 1999 08:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990521081050.029faf10@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:11:52 -0700 To: Jane Loyless , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: eFax: My brain is spinning!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990521105520.00adfbd0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <199905211343.JAA08794@hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:55 AM 5/21/99 -0400, you wrote: >At 09:47 AM 5/21/99 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: > >>According to their FAQ (I was reading late last night), if you have >>Windows they send the attachment as .efx, a proprietary >>ultra-condensed format. All other platforms get TIFF-F. >> > >You can change your options to get the TIFF format instead. If you're talking about e-fax, I just went to take a look, and I didn't see any such option. Or are you suggesting that one just tell them you have a different OS (say, the Mac) and that way you'll get TIFFs instead? - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 12:00:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04783 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10647; Fri, 21 May 1999 11:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 11:54:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10391; Fri, 21 May 1999 11:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10364; Fri, 21 May 1999 11:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 11:54:45 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02350; Fri, 21 May 1999 11:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <374581A3.EF1920AB@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:54:11 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: turgut kalfaoglu CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Sound with Linux? References: <199905211320.RAA32289@home.egenet.com.tr> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7471DAE00802EFFE0451722F" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7471DAE00802EFFE0451722F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Attached is a copy of my /usr/lib/oss/devices.cfg that I use with OSS on my TP600. --Lee Hetherington --------------7471DAE00802EFFE0451722F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="devices.cfg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="devices.cfg" /SECUREAUDIO OFF /IRQEXCLUDE 3 4 /DMAEXCLUDE 2 -gen4237 #Generic Crystal CS4237 based soundcard or motherboard (non PnP) CS4232MPU ON P330 I9 CS423X ON P530 I5 D1 d0 OPL3 ON P388 --------------7471DAE00802EFFE0451722F-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 12:04:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04826 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11247; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 11:59:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11007; Fri, 21 May 1999 11:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10992; Fri, 21 May 1999 11:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 11:59:12 -0400 Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08286 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:59:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08274 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 10:59:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990521120035.00ba9bb0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:00:35 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: eFax: My brain is spinning!! In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990521081050.029faf10@rcf.usc.edu> References: <3.0.1.32.19990521105520.00adfbd0@pop.mindspring.com> <199905211343.JAA08794@hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:11 AM 5/21/99 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > If you're talking about e-fax, I just went to take a look, and I didn't >see any such option. > > Or are you suggesting that one just tell them you have a different OS >(say, the Mac) and that way you'll get TIFFs instead? > Ummmm.... Well now, you WOULD ask me for details, wouldn't you?!? Lemme look.... Yes, I had set my profile to "Other non-Windows systems", and it sent me a TIFF file. And now this is odd... When I did that, I was able to view the file, but now I get unsupported format errors. Of course, the last file I got was in February, and since then I've installed Image Composer which is the app giving me the error message. Hmmm, wonder what I was looking at it with then? I'll have to dig into this further. Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 12:35:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05188 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13853; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 12:30:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13660; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pollux.hoff.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13636; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pollux.hoff.net (12.74.120.181 -> 181.dallas-05-10rs.tx.dial-access.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 12:30:04 -0400 Received: from zeus (11.hoff.net [10.0.0.11]) by pollux.hoff.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA09593 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 11:56:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from thinkpad@fnmail.com) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990521112951.00870170@mail.fnmail.com> X-Sender: thinkpad@mail.fnmail.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:29:51 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Dustin Subject: [755c] floppy drive problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I have a 755c that has been very reliable, but the floppy drive recently stopped working. It does not make any noise when I access it, and the bios (easy setup) does not recognize (though the floppy light still comes on during boot). Do I just need a new drive, or is this a more serious problem? Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 12:40:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05293 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14533; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 12:34:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14191; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hoover.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14164; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hoover.Stanford.EDU (36.33.1.200 -> Hoover.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 12:34:18 -0400 Received: from dbarklaptop.stanford.edu (unverified [171.66.165.138]) by Hoover.Stanford.EDU (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:34:15 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990521093429.008013b0@hoover.stanford.edu> X-Sender: bark@hoover.stanford.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:34:29 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Dennis L. Bark" Subject: Y2K BIOS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have a 755 CE, purchased in March 1995. In July 1997 my keyboard was replaced by IBM. When the machine was returned, a notice accompanied the machine, noting that the BIOS had been upgraded as well. HOW DO I CHECK TO DETERMINE IF THE BIOS/755 CE is Y2K compliant? If anyone can help me, I thank you for your response -- D. L. Bark From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 12:45:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05348 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15078; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 12:39:11 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14722; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 12:39:08 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id MAA27146 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.ics.uwe.ac.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12227; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.ics.uwe.ac.uk (164.11.100.4 -> zen.ics.uwe.ac.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 12:10:19 -0400 Received: (from barlow@localhost) by zen.ics.uwe.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.8.7) id RAA01851; Fri, 21 May 1999 17:09:49 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:09:48 +0100 From: Daniel Barlow To: I Lee Hetherington Cc: turgut kalfaoglu , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Sound with Linux? Message-ID: <19990521170948.C10379@zen.ics.uwe.ac.uk> References: <199905211320.RAA32289@home.egenet.com.tr> <374581A3.EF1920AB@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <374581A3.EF1920AB@sls.lcs.mit.edu>; from I Lee Hetherington on Fri, May 21, 1999 at 11:54:11AM -0400 X-Url: http://www.telent.net X-Parrot: You stunned him! List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 11:54:11AM -0400, I Lee Hetherington wrote: > Attached is a copy of my /usr/lib/oss/devices.cfg that I use with OSS on >From that it looks like the same hardware as I have in my 390 (I don't use OSS/costly, so I'm mostly guessing). Did you try the in-kernel drivers first or not? I have sound on my 390 using the free drivers in 2.2.x and the config at http://www.spack.org/geek/thinkpad-390.html - it all works fine so far, except there's apparently no `master volume' in the mixer. Most of what I use it for is playing audio CDs, admittedly -dan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 12:46:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05371 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15495; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 12:40:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15076; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14969; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (149.174.183.75 -> smtp6.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 12:40:25 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:40:06 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id MAA15554 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905211639.MAA15554@dub-img-ims-4.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:43:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Fwd: Re: eFax: My brain is spinning!! List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 21 May 1999 08:11:52 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 10:55 AM 5/21/99 -0400, you wrote: >>At 09:47 AM 5/21/99 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: >> >>>According to their FAQ (I was reading late last night), if you have >>>Windows they send the attachment as .efx, a proprietary >>>ultra-condensed format. All other platforms get TIFF-F. >>> >> >>You can change your options to get the TIFF format instead. > > If you're talking about e-fax, I just went to take a look, and I didn't >see any such option. > > Or are you suggesting that one just tell them you have a different OS >(say, the Mac) and that way you'll get TIFFs instead? > >- Randy Whittle Right! It looks like they've only written the .efx reader for Windows. http://www.efax.com/help/faqs.html#item250 says "Is this service compatible with non-Windowscomputers? "Yes! Users of Macintosh, UNIX, Linux and other non-Windows systems receive faxes in a TIFF-F format (vs. .efx format). These faxes are not password-protected or super-compressed. But, the basic eFax.com service of automatically forwarding paper documents to an email address via a personal eFax number is the same." You need to go straight to http://www.efax.com/help/ for any useful information (very badly designed site!) andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 12:55:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05476 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16274; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 12:50:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16114; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16095; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 12:50:16 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02995; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <37458E8E.38A7D3E2@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:49:18 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Barlow CC: turgut kalfaoglu , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Sound with Linux? References: <199905211320.RAA32289@home.egenet.com.tr> <374581A3.EF1920AB@sls.lcs.mit.edu> <19990521170948.C10379@zen.ics.uwe.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Last I tried, full-duplex didn't work for me with the in-kernel drivers, but that was a while ago. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 13:50:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06204 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20039; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 13:43:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19800; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from einstein.phy.duke.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19780; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from einstein.phy.duke.edu (152.3.182.4 -> einstein.phy.duke.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 13:43:32 -0400 Received: from lem.phy.duke.edu (hsg@lem.phy.duke.edu [152.3.182.25]) by einstein.phy.duke.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27287 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hsg@localhost) by lem.phy.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09296; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:43:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:43:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199905211743.NAA09296@lem.phy.duke.edu> From: "Henry S. Greenside" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Upgrading hard disk in 560E... List-Unsubscribe: I have run out of space for the 2 GB drive that came with my 560E 166 MHz Thinkpad and would like to replace this drive with a 6 GB drive. Does the Thinkpad BIOS make any special assumptions about what hard disk is in the computer or about how it is formatted? Someone on the Net told me that I could use any 2.5" 12 mm hard drive (e.g., one can get a 6 GB drive for about $250 via NECX) but is this correct? Please reply by e-mail to me directly since I rarely read this group. Thanks, Henry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 14:05:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06426 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 14:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21610; Fri, 21 May 1999 14:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 13:59:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21303; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from einstein.phy.duke.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21282; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from einstein.phy.duke.edu (152.3.182.4 -> einstein.phy.duke.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 13:59:12 -0400 Received: from lem.phy.duke.edu (hsg@lem.phy.duke.edu [152.3.182.25]) by einstein.phy.duke.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27654 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hsg@localhost) by lem.phy.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09359; Fri, 21 May 1999 13:59:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:59:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199905211759.NAA09359@lem.phy.duke.edu> From: "Henry S. Greenside" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Best places for buying/selling used Thinkpads? List-Unsubscribe: I am thinking of replacing a 560E Thinkpad with a newer model, a 600 or 570 (want a faster chip, bigger screen, more disk space). Two questions: - Where do people go to buy a used Thinkpad? I have noticed a moderate number of used 600's on ebay.com but would guess the market is much bigger than that. - Where do people go to sell a used Thinkpad? Thanks, Henry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 19:14:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA09939 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09990; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 19:12:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09639; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws002.shl.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09613; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws002.shl.com (159.249.56.2 -> docws002.shl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 19:12:10 -0400 Received: from napmsnoc01.shl.com (napmsnoc01.shl.com [159.249.47.178]) by docws002.shl.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA02102 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:10:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by napmsnoc01.shl.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 21 May 1999 16:12:45 -0700 Message-ID: From: "MYRES, Frank" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:12:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: > Unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 20:00:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA10420 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11925; Fri, 21 May 1999 20:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 19:58:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11648; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11635; Fri, 21 May 1999 19:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onlink4.onlink.net (206.108.253.68 -> onlink4.onlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 19:58:24 -0400 Received: from nrba1-48.onlink.net (nrba1-48.onlink.net [207.210.99.80]) by onlink4.onlink.net (8.8.7/) with SMTP id SAA100428 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:58:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199905212358.SAA100428@onlink4.onlink.net> From: "Alex Bell" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:53:53 +0000 Reply-To: "Alex Bell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Repeated motherboard problems List-Unsubscribe: I posted a little while ago a concern about a motherboard for my 385XD which the tech said was defective because the computer locked up after being left unattended. This motherboard was the second to be installed in the thinkpad, because the first one had an intermittent fault which prevented it from working with an Enhanced Port Replicator. The tech ordered another motherboard and tried to install it this morning. This afternoon he told me that he had not been able to boot up after installing this third motherboard, so he has put the second one back and has ordered yet another one from IBM. Is it likely that three successive motherboards would be defective? Or am I jinxed? Or is he? 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Illuminate Photography =A9 1999 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 21 23:46:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA12165 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 23:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19072; Fri, 21 May 1999 23:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 May 1999 23:44:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18932; Fri, 21 May 1999 23:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europe.std.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18919; Fri, 21 May 1999 23:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europe.std.com (199.172.62.20 -> europe.std.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 May 1999 23:44:26 -0400 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (STD1.2/BZS-8-1.0) id XAA17422; Fri, 21 May 1999 23:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from world.std.com by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA15950; Fri, 21 May 1999 23:44:21 -0400 Message-Id: <374627C4.DF3A524E@world.std.com> Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:43:00 -0400 From: Don Markuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Dennis L. Bark" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Y2K BIOS References: <3.0.5.32.19990521093429.008013b0@hoover.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: "Dennis L. Bark" wrote: > I have a 755 CE, purchased in March 1995. In July 1997 my keyboard was > replaced by IBM. When the machine was returned, a notice accompanied the > machine, noting that the BIOS had been upgraded as well. HOW DO I CHECK TO > DETERMINE IF THE BIOS/755 CE is Y2K compliant? If anyone can help me, I > thank you for your response -- D. L. Bark Check out IBM's Y2K readiness site: http://wwwyr2k.raleigh.ibm.com Enter your model# and it tells you which BIOSes are Y2K-ok. To check the date of your BIOS, I believe you power-up holding down the F1 key, then select the SystemBoard button (at least that's how I do it on my 755). There may be a way to get the same info via the PS2 program, but I don't remember its myriad options off the top of my head. I think on the 755 that it was only very early versions of the BIOS from 1995 that had a problem. If they upgraded it in 1997, you're likely in fine shape. There are also assorted Y2K-testing tools available on the Internet that will assess your hardware and BIOS. Many are free, but of course beware of scams. Perhaps others have some recommendations. ..Don Markuson From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 22 02:47:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA13384 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 02:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24475; Sat, 22 May 1999 02:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 May 1999 02:46:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24328; Sat, 22 May 1999 02:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24311; Sat, 22 May 1999 02:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 May 1999 02:45:55 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-234.gate.net [199.227.131.43]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA337392; Sat, 22 May 1999 02:47:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3746529D.AE22D0B5@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 02:45:49 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Bell CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: Repeated motherboard problems References: <199905212358.SAA100428@onlink4.onlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: maybe, just MAYBE its not the system board.. ? but i suppose the tech has better info and tools to determine this.. Alex Bell wrote: > I posted a little while ago a concern about a motherboard for my 385XD > which the tech said was defective because the computer locked up after > being left unattended. This motherboard was the second to be installed > in the thinkpad, because the first one had an intermittent fault which > prevented it from working with an Enhanced Port Replicator. The tech > ordered another motherboard and tried to install it this morning. This > afternoon he told me that he had not been able to boot up after > installing this third motherboard, so he has put the second one back > and has ordered yet another one from IBM. > > Is it likely that three successive motherboards would be defective? Or > am I jinxed? Or is he? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 22 02:49:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA13395 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 02:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25052; Sat, 22 May 1999 02:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 May 1999 02:47:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24597; Sat, 22 May 1999 02:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24513; Sat, 22 May 1999 02:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 May 1999 02:47:11 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-234.gate.net [199.227.131.43]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA135772; Sat, 22 May 1999 02:48:39 -0400 Message-ID: <374652E8.E5697769@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 02:47:05 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Henry S. Greenside" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Upgrading hard disk in 560E... References: <199905211743.NAA09296@lem.phy.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Henry.. the 560E will take up to a 6.4gig drive.. i have one in my 560E.. Henry S. Greenside wrote: > I have run out of space for the 2 GB drive that came > with my 560E 166 MHz Thinkpad and would like to replace > this drive with a 6 GB drive. > > Does the Thinkpad BIOS make any special assumptions > about what hard disk is in the computer or about how it > is formatted? Someone on the Net told me that I could > use any 2.5" 12 mm hard drive (e.g., one can get a 6 GB > drive for about $250 via NECX) but is this correct? > > Please reply by e-mail to me directly since I rarely > read this group. > > Thanks, > > Henry -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 22 12:59:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA16562 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 12:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21902; Sat, 22 May 1999 12:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 May 1999 12:54:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21732; Sat, 22 May 1999 12:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21718; Sat, 22 May 1999 12:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.49 -> scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 May 1999 12:54:33 -0400 Received: from thor (sdn-ar-001nydparP301.dialsprint.net [168.191.115.167]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA27390 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 09:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000c01bea474$14919780$a773bfa8@thor> Reply-To: "Roberto Alfalla" From: "Roberto Alfalla" To: Subject: Tp760CD/Telephony Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:56:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEA452.87B4D000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEA452.87B4D000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings All=20 Anyone know if Mwave 2.25 Speakerphone is working = under any third pardy Digital answer machine software. I havnt been = lucky thus far. Thanks Sincerely, Roberto ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEA452.87B4D000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings All
 
            =    =20     Anyone know if Mwave 2.25 Speakerphone is working = under any=20 third pardy Digital answer machine software. I havnt been lucky thus = far.
 
Thanks
Sincerely,
 
Roberto
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BEA452.87B4D000-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 22 13:47:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16842 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 13:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23266; Sat, 22 May 1999 13:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 May 1999 13:42:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23137; Sat, 22 May 1999 13:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23122; Sat, 22 May 1999 13:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 May 1999 13:42:52 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-298.gate.net [199.227.131.107]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA433238; Sat, 22 May 1999 13:44:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3746EC96.986E608A@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:42:47 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roberto Alfalla CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Tp760CD/Telephony References: <000c01bea474$14919780$a773bfa8@thor> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F7F2248005FE64AAE5321C4F" List-Unsubscribe: --------------F7F2248005FE64AAE5321C4F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roberto.. :-) i THINK i have used winfax pro ver. 8 on my 760ED.. i know i had to buy a data,fax, voice modem for the 701's.. what third party app have you tried.. ? Roberto Alfalla wrote: > Greetings All Anyone know if Mwave 2.25 > Speakerphone is working under any third pardy Digital answer machine > software. I havnt been lucky thus far. ThanksSincerely, Roberto -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------F7F2248005FE64AAE5321C4F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roberto..  :-)
i THINK i have used winfax pro ver. 8 on my 760ED..

i know i had to buy a data,fax, voice modem for the 701's..

what third party app have you tried.. ?

Roberto Alfalla wrote:

  Greetings All                     Anyone know if Mwave 2.25 Speakerphone is working under any third pardy Digital answer machine software. I havnt been lucky thus far. ThanksSincerely, Roberto
 

--
Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net
770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------F7F2248005FE64AAE5321C4F-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 22 15:18:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17623 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25913; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 May 1999 15:13:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25732; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25718; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 May 1999 15:13:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08955; Sat, 22 May 1999 12:13:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:13:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Greg cc: richard , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU In-Reply-To: <000601bea10f$c5996b60$46fc21cb@greg> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 18 May 1999, Greg wrote: It's modem speed. port speed is locked at 115.2k. The new ACP drivers fixed the problem of dropping down to 32k since it's consistent at 40k now. The 3Com only connects at 37k on this machine and 45.3k on the other machine. Also, another thing is I can't be talking about port speed since port speeds only come in 9600, 19200, 38400, 57600, 115200, 230400. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > We talking modem speed or port speed?? > Modem speed u can do a AT? to turn off the fallback and only connect at the > highest speed u want.. > if its dropping back then sounds like bad connection re phone system > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy > To: Greg > Cc: richard ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU > > > >On Tue, 18 May 1999, Greg wrote: > > > >> May need to look up the AT command set and stop auto retrain and lock the > >> baud rate to the high setting > > > > Hmmm, I think that's hard to do since modems are supposed to port > >lock at a certain speed and then auto retrain subject to line conditions. > > > > > >Cheers, > >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > >Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > >GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > >Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > >HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: richard > >> To: Vincent Poy > >> Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > >> Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 7:07 AM > >> Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU > >> > >> > >> >At 02:02 PM 5/17/99 -0700, you wrote: > >> >>problem before? Another thing I noticed about the modem is that it > >> >>connects at 40k and then drops down to 32k for the rest of the session > and > >> > > >> >Which app gives the current speed of the built-in modem? > >> > > >> > >> > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 22 15:22:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17658 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26319; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 May 1999 15:17:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26182; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26168; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 May 1999 15:17:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08992; Sat, 22 May 1999 12:17:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:17:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: richard cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990518065312.00984f10@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 18 May 1999, richard wrote: > At 01:29 AM 5/18/99 -0700, you wrote: > >On Mon, 17 May 1999, richard wrote: > > > >> At 02:02 PM 5/17/99 -0700, you wrote: > >> >problem before? Another thing I noticed about the modem is that it > >> >connects at 40k and then drops down to 32k for the rest of the session and > >> > >> Which app gives the current speed of the built-in modem? > > > > ThinkPad Modem under ThinkPad Modem in Start Menu -> Programs > > > I don't have that program listed. Where can I get a copy? Go to IBM's TP Device File Matrix and download both the ACP V90 modem code and the drivers at: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 22 15:29:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA17739 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26979; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 May 1999 15:24:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26825; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26812; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 May 1999 15:24:18 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA21286; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990522152139.0099de80@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 15:24:50 -0400 To: Vincent Poy From: richard Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990518065312.00984f10@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: >> >> Which app gives the current speed of the built-in modem? >> > >> > ThinkPad Modem under ThinkPad Modem in Start Menu -> Programs >> >> I don't have that program listed. Where can I get a copy? > > Go to IBM's TP Device File Matrix and download both the ACP V90 >modem code and the drivers at: > >http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html. It seems that some TP built-in modems come with a modem program and some don't. The Lucent WinModem in the 570 appears to fall within the class of not being able to detect current speed. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 22 19:21:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20204 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02279; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 May 1999 19:16:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02123; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02106; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 May 1999 19:16:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00546; Sat, 22 May 1999 16:16:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 16:16:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Rick Floyd , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <37409961.47F15B04@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 17 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > On those rare occasions that i actually GO someplace with my 770Z, i use a zero > haliburton camera case.. > hard aluminum and weather tight with acombination lock.. Wow, must be protected like a tank =) > i have sold a few port defcon-III cases and they LOOK nice with the remote > control burglar alarm and a bunch of pockets.. > my cost is $110~ and i sell them for $125 or thereabouts.. > (this is NOT a commercial) Does the Port DefCon-III case even fit the 770Z? The remote does look nice from what I can see. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: > > > > Hello Rick, > > > > > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check out: > > > > > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > > > > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about the same size > > > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. > > > > I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the TP's. > > > > > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED well. It's > > > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback to the Tenba > > > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both because it has > > > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and several large > > > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much everything > > > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external pockets for > > > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your investment, > > > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. > > > > How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? Speaking > > about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was just curious > > where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z in the case? > > > > > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has become my > > > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable and well > > > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the 770 (in a > > > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of small > > > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba case > > > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of lugging them > > > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until the first > > > time... > > > > Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a backpack > > for school. > > > > > Rick > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 22 19:40:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20582 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02980; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 May 1999 19:35:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02851; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02835; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 May 1999 19:35:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00670; Sat, 22 May 1999 16:35:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 16:35:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: richard cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990522152139.0099de80@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 22 May 1999, richard wrote: > >> >> Which app gives the current speed of the built-in modem? > >> > > >> > ThinkPad Modem under ThinkPad Modem in Start Menu -> Programs > >> > >> I don't have that program listed. Where can I get a copy? > > > > Go to IBM's TP Device File Matrix and download both the ACP V90 > >modem code and the drivers at: > > > >http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html. > > It seems that some TP built-in modems come with a modem program and some > don't. The Lucent WinModem in the 570 appears to fall within the class of > not being able to detect current speed. Hmm, it's installed as part of the driver package I think. The 770Z's use a ThinkPad DSP modem which is based on the 3Com/USR X2/v90. There have been 2 v.90 ACP Modem code updates with 5/21/99 being the most recent., I haven't tried the 5/21/99 yet but the machine out of the box, I get 40k connects and then it drops down to 32k. The first ACP Modem code update made it work at a constant 40k while the new one is supposed to even be better. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 22 19:45:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20627 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03414; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 May 1999 19:40:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03287; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03273; Sat, 22 May 1999 19:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 May 1999 19:40:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00713 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 16:40:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 16:40:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I finally got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU working correctly with the transition from my 385ED thanks to Jonathan, Bill, Donald, and anyone else I forgot to mention. Updated the BIOS and all the drivers and the system will hang during suspend and shutdown. It seems the Trackpoint IV drivers released on 5/20/99 fixed this problem with Win 98. Anyways, so far so good except I shutdown successfully and tried to cold boot, machine boots up with a Bios Error code 188 and I called up IBM HelpCenter and they told me that it takes 2-4 days after they receive it to fix the problem which takes only 20 minutes if I can get ahold of the IBM ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk, does anyone have a copy of this they can e-mail me or where I can find it on the net? I really need my machine working to maintain the ISPs I operate and the financial markets. Thanks in advance for anyone that can help. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 22 20:17:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20843 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04547; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 May 1999 20:12:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04436; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04415; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 May 1999 20:12:15 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-11.gate.net [207.36.212.11]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA75360; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:13:32 -0400 Message-ID: <374747CC.18B9DD50@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:11:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Rick Floyd , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince.. Yes, it does.. while i have never shoved my 770Z in one of the defcon-III cases, they look to be able to take the 770 and i have been selling them to 770 owners in italy.. just sent two more there last week.. with the shipping they are expensive there, so they really must like them.. i thing they look good and they are not expensive for what you get.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Mon, 17 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > On those rare occasions that i actually GO someplace with my 770Z, i use a zero > > haliburton camera case.. > > hard aluminum and weather tight with acombination lock.. > > Wow, must be protected like a tank =) > > > i have sold a few port defcon-III cases and they LOOK nice with the remote > > control burglar alarm and a bunch of pockets.. > > my cost is $110~ and i sell them for $125 or thereabouts.. > > (this is NOT a commercial) > > Does the Port DefCon-III case even fit the 770Z? The remote does > look nice from what I can see. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: > > > > > > Hello Rick, > > > > > > > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check out: > > > > > > > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > > > > > > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about the same size > > > > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. > > > > > > I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the TP's. > > > > > > > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED well. It's > > > > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback to the Tenba > > > > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both because it has > > > > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and several large > > > > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much everything > > > > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external pockets for > > > > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your investment, > > > > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. > > > > > > How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? Speaking > > > about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was just curious > > > where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z in the case? > > > > > > > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has become my > > > > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable and well > > > > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the 770 (in a > > > > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of small > > > > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba case > > > > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of lugging them > > > > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until the first > > > > time... > > > > > > Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a backpack > > > for school. > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > Done on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 22 20:20:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20865 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04945; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 May 1999 20:16:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04798; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04785; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 May 1999 20:16:08 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-11.gate.net [207.36.212.11]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA56328; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:17:38 -0400 Message-ID: <374748C2.7B190E26@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 20:16:02 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince.. you want to be a little more informative here.. ? :-) Vincent Poy wrote: > Hello, > > I finally got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU working correctly with the > transition from my 385ED thanks to Jonathan, Bill, Donald, and anyone else > I forgot to mention. Updated the BIOS and all the drivers and the system > will hang during suspend and shutdown. It seems the Trackpoint IV drivers > released on 5/20/99 fixed this problem with Win 98. Anyways, so far so > good except I shutdown successfully and tried to cold boot, machine boots > up with a Bios Error code 188 and I called up IBM HelpCenter and they told > me that it takes 2-4 days after they receive it to fix the problem what IS the problem..what did 'they' say..?? how will the hardware maintenance diskette help..?? > which > takes only 20 minutes if I can get ahold of the IBM ThinkPad Hardware > Maintenance Disk, does anyone have a copy of this they can e-mail me or > where I can find it on the net? I really need my machine working to > maintain the ISPs I operate and the financial markets. Thanks in advance > for anyone that can help. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 22 20:33:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20943 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05764; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 May 1999 20:28:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05612; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05595; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 May 1999 20:28:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA00933; Sat, 22 May 1999 17:28:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:28:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Rick Floyd , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <374747CC.18B9DD50@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 22 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Hi Bill, > Vince.. > Yes, it does.. > while i have never shoved my 770Z in one of the defcon-III cases, they look to be > able to take the 770 and i have been selling them to 770 owners in italy.. > just sent two more there last week.. > with the shipping they are expensive there, so they really must like them.. > i thing they look good and they are not expensive for what you get.. Yeah, it does look like a cool piece to own though. How is the compartments like compared to the 770 Case and is it about the same weight? I'm still lost on where I should put the floppy drive, floppy external cable and the AC Adapter in the 770 case. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Mon, 17 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > On those rare occasions that i actually GO someplace with my 770Z, i use a zero > > > haliburton camera case.. > > > hard aluminum and weather tight with acombination lock.. > > > > Wow, must be protected like a tank =) > > > > > i have sold a few port defcon-III cases and they LOOK nice with the remote > > > control burglar alarm and a bunch of pockets.. > > > my cost is $110~ and i sell them for $125 or thereabouts.. > > > (this is NOT a commercial) > > > > Does the Port DefCon-III case even fit the 770Z? The remote does > > look nice from what I can see. > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Rick, > > > > > > > > > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check out: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > > > > > > > > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about the same size > > > > > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. > > > > > > > > I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the TP's. > > > > > > > > > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED well. It's > > > > > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback to the Tenba > > > > > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both because it has > > > > > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and several large > > > > > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much everything > > > > > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external pockets for > > > > > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your investment, > > > > > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. > > > > > > > > How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? Speaking > > > > about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was just curious > > > > where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z in the case? > > > > > > > > > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has become my > > > > > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable and well > > > > > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the 770 (in a > > > > > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of small > > > > > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba case > > > > > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of lugging them > > > > > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until the first > > > > > time... > > > > > > > > Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a backpack > > > > for school. > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > > Done on a > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on > a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 00:50:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA22971 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 00:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13236; Sun, 23 May 1999 00:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 00:44:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13008; Sun, 23 May 1999 00:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12988; Sun, 23 May 1999 00:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.204 -> slip-32-100-39-204.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 00:44:44 -0400 Message-ID: <001301bea4d6$f977fee0$cc276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Rick Floyd" , References: Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 00:44:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Looking at the www.port.com it lists the Defcon III case designed for up to a 13 inch LCD. I don't see why a 14" would be that much bigger as to make a difference... As for fitting items in the 770 case Vincent, put them wherever it's comfortable for you. I usually use the first front compartment for the power brick as it fits snug in one of the pockets. The second zippered front comp. has two pockets which should fit the fdd ot CD/DVD drive. The mesh pocket works well for a network card (especially if you need to carry the dongle with it. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow Cc: Rick Floyd ; Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 8:28 PM Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases > On Sat, 22 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > > Vince.. > > Yes, it does.. > > while i have never shoved my 770Z in one of the defcon-III cases, they look to be > > able to take the 770 and i have been selling them to 770 owners in italy.. > > just sent two more there last week.. > > with the shipping they are expensive there, so they really must like them.. > > i thing they look good and they are not expensive for what you get.. > > Yeah, it does look like a cool piece to own though. How is the > compartments like compared to the 770 Case and is it about the same > weight? I'm still lost on where I should put the floppy drive, floppy > external cable and the AC Adapter in the 770 case. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 17 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > On those rare occasions that i actually GO someplace with my 770Z, i use a zero > > > > haliburton camera case.. > > > > hard aluminum and weather tight with acombination lock.. > > > > > > Wow, must be protected like a tank =) > > > > > > > i have sold a few port defcon-III cases and they LOOK nice with the remote > > > > control burglar alarm and a bunch of pockets.. > > > > my cost is $110~ and i sell them for $125 or thereabouts.. > > > > (this is NOT a commercial) > > > > > > Does the Port DefCon-III case even fit the 770Z? The remote does > > > look nice from what I can see. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rick, > > > > > > > > > > > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check out: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > > > > > > > > > > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about the same size > > > > > > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. > > > > > > > > > > I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the TP's. > > > > > > > > > > > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED well. It's > > > > > > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback to the Tenba > > > > > > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both because it has > > > > > > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and several large > > > > > > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much everything > > > > > > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external pockets for > > > > > > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your investment, > > > > > > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. > > > > > > > > > > How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? Speaking > > > > > about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was just curious > > > > > where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z in the case? > > > > > > > > > > > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has become my > > > > > > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable and well > > > > > > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the 770 (in a > > > > > > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of small > > > > > > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba case > > > > > > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of lugging them > > > > > > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until the first > > > > > > time... > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a backpack > > > > > for school. > > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > > > Done on a > > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on > > a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 00:58:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA23025 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 00:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13907; Sun, 23 May 1999 00:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 00:54:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13755; Sun, 23 May 1999 00:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13717; Sun, 23 May 1999 00:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 00:53:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA01857; Sat, 22 May 1999 21:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:53:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: Bill Morrow , Rick Floyd , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <001301bea4d6$f977fee0$cc276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > Looking at the www.port.com it lists the Defcon III case designed for up to > a 13 inch LCD. I don't see why a 14" would be that much bigger as to make a > difference... It seems like a 14" screen would be a lot bigger than a 13" screen to make a difference. > As for fitting items in the 770 case Vincent, put them wherever it's > comfortable for you. I usually use the first front compartment for the power > brick as it fits snug in one of the pockets. The second zippered front comp. > has two pockets which should fit the fdd ot CD/DVD drive. The mesh pocket > works well for a network card (especially if you need to carry the dongle > with it. Never knew the network card wuld need that much space. I was wondering what's a good place to put the strap when not using it? And what's a good use for the power opposite of where the TP is, in the same compartment since it seems like you can't put something hard in there as it might bang into the machine. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vincent Poy > To: Bill Morrow > Cc: Rick Floyd ; > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 8:28 PM > Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases > > > > On Sat, 22 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > Vince.. > > > Yes, it does.. > > > while i have never shoved my 770Z in one of the defcon-III cases, they > look to be > > > able to take the 770 and i have been selling them to 770 owners in > italy.. > > > just sent two more there last week.. > > > with the shipping they are expensive there, so they really must like > them.. > > > i thing they look good and they are not expensive for what you get.. > > > > Yeah, it does look like a cool piece to own though. How is the > > compartments like compared to the 770 Case and is it about the same > > weight? I'm still lost on where I should put the floppy drive, floppy > > external cable and the AC Adapter in the 770 case. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 17 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > > > On those rare occasions that i actually GO someplace with my 770Z, i > use a zero > > > > > haliburton camera case.. > > > > > hard aluminum and weather tight with acombination lock.. > > > > > > > > Wow, must be protected like a tank =) > > > > > > > > > i have sold a few port defcon-III cases and they LOOK nice with the > remote > > > > > control burglar alarm and a bunch of pockets.. > > > > > my cost is $110~ and i sell them for $125 or thereabouts.. > > > > > (this is NOT a commercial) > > > > > > > > Does the Port DefCon-III case even fit the 770Z? The remote > does > > > > look nice from what I can see. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > |[__ ] > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rick, > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check > out: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about > the same size > > > > > > > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the > TP's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED > well. It's > > > > > > > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback > to the Tenba > > > > > > > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both > because it has > > > > > > > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and > several large > > > > > > > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much > everything > > > > > > > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external > pockets for > > > > > > > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your > investment, > > > > > > > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? > Speaking > > > > > > about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was just > curious > > > > > > where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z in > the case? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has > become my > > > > > > > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable > and well > > > > > > > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the > 770 (in a > > > > > > > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of > small > > > > > > > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba > case > > > > > > > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of > lugging them > > > > > > > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until > the first > > > > > > > time... > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a > backpack > > > > > > for school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ > __ ____ > > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | > / |[__ ] > > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | > / | __] ] > > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ > / | __] ] > > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage > will vary, > > > > > Done on a > > > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > vary, Done on > > > a > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 01:01:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA23038 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14417; Sun, 23 May 1999 00:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 00:56:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14071; Sun, 23 May 1999 00:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14057; Sun, 23 May 1999 00:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.204 -> slip-32-100-39-204.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 00:55:54 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01bea4d8$88f98e20$cc276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: Subject: V90 upgrade Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 00:55:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEA4B7.00551920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEA4B7.00551920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I have tried the newest V90 drivers (dated 5-21) and don't see any = difference.=20 As I have written before I still get 51K in the office (no complaints = there) and at home 40k or 28K depending on which line I'm using. (The = down side is that the second line I had put in for the computer is the = one that only connects at 28K.) What I still can't figure out is why does one line connect at 40 and the = second at 28K since they both come off of one cat5 cable. When I call = the USR V90 test line it says that V90 is probably not possible due to a = double analog to digital conversion somewhere along the line. Yet if = that where true then I shouldn't get V90 on the first line eighter... Well, I stop rambling here...just another puzzle for me.... Don ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEA4B7.00551920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well I have tried the newest V90 = drivers (dated=20 5-21) and don't see any difference.
As I have written before I still = get 51K=20 in the office (no complaints there) and at home 40k or 28K depending on = which=20 line I'm using. (The down side is that the second line I had put in for = the=20 computer is the one that only connects at 28K.)
What I still can't figure out is why = does one line=20 connect at 40 and the second at 28K since they both come off of one cat5 = cable.=20 When I call the USR V90 test line it says that V90 is probably not = possible due=20 to a double analog to digital conversion somewhere along the line. Yet = if that=20 where true then I shouldn't get V90 on the first line = eighter...
 
Well, I stop rambling here...just = another puzzle=20 for me....
 
Don
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BEA4B7.00551920-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 01:14:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA23116 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15951; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:08:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15433; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15417; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.204 -> slip-32-100-39-204.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:08:01 -0400 Message-ID: <002a01bea4da$3a43cbe0$cc276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "Bill Morrow" , "Rick Floyd" , References: Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 01:07:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: > > Looking at the www.port.com it lists the Defcon III case designed for up to > > a 13 inch LCD. I don't see why a 14" would be that much bigger as to make a > > difference... > > It seems like a 14" screen would be a lot bigger than a 13" screen > to make a difference. Sure it's bigger but it cant't be more than 3/4" > > As for fitting items in the 770 case Vincent, put them wherever it's > > comfortable for you. I usually use the first front compartment for the power > > brick as it fits snug in one of the pockets. The second zippered front comp. > > has two pockets which should fit the fdd ot CD/DVD drive. The mesh pocket > > works well for a network card (especially if you need to carry the dongle > > with it. > > Never knew the network card wuld need that much space. I was > wondering what's a good place to put the strap when not using it? And > what's a good use for the power opposite of where the TP is, in the same > compartment since it seems like you can't put something hard in there as > it might bang into the machine. > > Well, I just leave the dongle connected to the card and put it in the mesh pocket. As for the power brick I put it in the first zippered compartment in the front. This keeps it far from the actual system itself. I don't put anything in the same compartment as the computer except some files as there is a pocket for that... Don From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 01:14:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA23123 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16010; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:08:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15480; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15430; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:08:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA01932; Sat, 22 May 1999 22:08:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:08:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: V90 upgrade In-Reply-To: <001c01bea4d8$88f98e20$cc276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > Well I have tried the newest V90 drivers (dated 5-21) and don't see > any difference. As I have written before I still get 51K in the > office (no complaints there) and at home 40k or 28K depending on which > line I'm using. (The down side is that the second line I had put in > for the computer is the one that only connects at 28K.) What I still > can't figure out is why does one line connect at 40 and the second at > 28K since they both come off of one cat5 cable. When I call the USR > V90 test line it says that V90 is probably not possible due to a > double analog to digital conversion somewhere along the line. Yet if > that where true then I shouldn't get V90 on the first line eighter... I'll give the 5/21/99 drivers a try once my computer starts working again. Assuming I can get the TP Hardware Maintenece Disk from soneone or my only option would be to bring it to a local servicer and wait 2-4 days or EasyServ will have Airborne bring a box and then ship to them and ship back to me in 2-4 days. Now my question is, do the IBM Authorized Servicers do as good of a job as EasyServ would in terms of quality control and liability of like adding marks/scratches, etc? If both of your lines come from the same Cat5 cable, then both should achieve the same speeds since they are connected to the same CO unless your second line isn't a true line between you and the CO and they basically use digital loops to make it work. What city, state are you located? I'll ask some of my peers in the telecommunications industry about your area and see what they say. > Well, I stop rambling here...just another puzzle for me.... Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 01:16:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA23145 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16441; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:11:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16188; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16126; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:11:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA01962; Sat, 22 May 1999 22:10:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: Bill Morrow , Rick Floyd , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <002a01bea4da$3a43cbe0$cc276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > > > Looking at the www.port.com it lists the Defcon III case designed for up > to > > > a 13 inch LCD. I don't see why a 14" would be that much bigger as to > make a > > > difference... > > > > It seems like a 14" screen would be a lot bigger than a 13" screen > > to make a difference. > > Sure it's bigger but it cant't be more than 3/4" I don't know since it depends on how much plastic is used. > > > As for fitting items in the 770 case Vincent, put them wherever it's > > > comfortable for you. I usually use the first front compartment for the > power > > > brick as it fits snug in one of the pockets. The second zippered front > comp. > > > has two pockets which should fit the fdd ot CD/DVD drive. The mesh > pocket > > > works well for a network card (especially if you need to carry the > dongle > > > with it. > > > > Never knew the network card wuld need that much space. I was > > wondering what's a good place to put the strap when not using it? And > > what's a good use for the power opposite of where the TP is, in the same > > compartment since it seems like you can't put something hard in there as > > it might bang into the machine. > > > > > Well, I just leave the dongle connected to the card and put it in the mesh > pocket. Oh okay... which netwrk card are you using? > As for the power brick I put it in the first zippered compartment in the > front. This keeps it far from the actual > system itself. I don't put anything in the same compartment as the computer > except some files as there is a pocket for that... I didn't mean the compartment as the machine but what I am saying is that there is a pocket right in the same zippered compartment as the computer right above the part that covers the computer half way. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 01:21:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA23173 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17157; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:16:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17013; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16955; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.204 -> slip-32-100-39-204.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:16:06 -0400 Message-ID: <004001bea4db$5b78f780$cc276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "Bill Morrow" , "Rick Floyd" , References: Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 01:16:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: > > Well, I just leave the dongle connected to the card and put it in the mesh > > pocket. > > Oh okay... which netwrk card are you using? I use a NetGear card. > > > As for the power brick I put it in the first zippered compartment in the > > front. This keeps it far from the actual > > system itself. I don't put anything in the same compartment as the computer > > except some files as there is a pocket for that... > > I didn't mean the compartment as the machine but what I am saying > is that there is a pocket right in the same zippered compartment as the > computer right above the part that covers the computer half way. Yes, generally I just use that for files or some loose papers. It seems that's all it was intended for. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 01:25:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA23211 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17701; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:20:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17555; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17541; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:20:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA02021; Sat, 22 May 1999 22:20:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:20:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: Bill Morrow , Rick Floyd , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <004001bea4db$5b78f780$cc276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > > > Well, I just leave the dongle connected to the card and put it in the > mesh > > > pocket. > > > > Oh okay... which netwrk card are you using? > > I use a NetGear card. Here is a question for you, if you left the card in the machine for a hour with the machine on continuously, does the card get real hot? > > > As for the power brick I put it in the first zippered compartment in the > > > front. This keeps it far from the actual > > > system itself. I don't put anything in the same compartment as the > computer > > > except some files as there is a pocket for that... > > > > I didn't mean the compartment as the machine but what I am saying > > is that there is a pocket right in the same zippered compartment as the > > computer right above the part that covers the computer half way. > > Yes, generally I just use that for files or some loose papers. It seems > that's all it was intended for. Hmmm, okay, since Port doesn't really explain what each pocket and thing is designed for unlike Targus, Kensington, etc. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 01:29:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA23235 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18260; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:24:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18053; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18039; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.204 -> slip-32-100-39-204.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:24:34 -0400 Message-ID: <004801bea4dc$89efb120$cc276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: References: Subject: Re: V90 upgrade Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 01:24:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: > I'll give the 5/21/99 drivers a try once my computer starts > working again. Assuming I can get the TP Hardware Maintenece Disk from > soneone or my only option would be to bring it to a local servicer and > wait 2-4 days or EasyServ will have Airborne bring a box and then ship to > them and ship back to me in 2-4 days. Now my question is, do the IBM > Authorized Servicers do as good of a job as EasyServ would in terms of > quality control and liability of like adding marks/scratches, etc? I have read some posts here that EasyServ has become careless in its handling and the service overall is not what it used to be. I would stay away from ConpUSA or other large chain outfits. I have found that generally the clerks have little knowledge of the value of these systems and throw them around like it was there $20 walkman. > both of your lines come from the same Cat5 cable, then both should achieve > the same speeds since they are connected to the same CO unless your second > line isn't a true line between you and the CO and they basically use > digital loops to make it work. What city, state are you located? I'll > ask some of my peers in the telecommunications industry about your area > and see what they say. I use Bell Atlantic in the Northern NJ area (Basking Ridge). I had thought they would both be the same as far as performance and have even changed the number usinf different prefix thinking it may somehow be routed through another switch.. When I spoke to a service tech at BA they said all the lines in my area are new and are all fibre optic. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 01:35:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA23266 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19063; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:30:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18858; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18805; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.204 -> slip-32-100-39-204.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:30:36 -0400 Message-ID: <005a01bea4dd$619d9ec0$cc276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "Bill Morrow" , "Rick Floyd" , References: Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 01:30:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: > > I use a NetGear card. > > Here is a question for you, if you left the card in the machine > for a hour with the machine on continuously, does the card get real hot? If I am actually using the network it does get hot. But if you really want to feel hot try the hard drive after a few hours of use. > > Yes, generally I just use that for files or some loose papers. It seems > > that's all it was intended for. > > Hmmm, okay, since Port doesn't really explain what each pocket and > thing is designed for unlike Targus, Kensington, etc. > Well thats what's nice about the port cases, there are plenty of pockets and all large enough so you can put things wherever you like. Don From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 01:41:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA23290 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19699; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:37:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19533; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19490; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:36:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA02092; Sat, 22 May 1999 22:36:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:36:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: V90 upgrade In-Reply-To: <004801bea4dc$89efb120$cc276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > > I'll give the 5/21/99 drivers a try once my computer starts > > working again. Assuming I can get the TP Hardware Maintenece Disk from > > soneone or my only option would be to bring it to a local servicer and > > wait 2-4 days or EasyServ will have Airborne bring a box and then ship to > > them and ship back to me in 2-4 days. Now my question is, do the IBM > > Authorized Servicers do as good of a job as EasyServ would in terms of > > quality control and liability of like adding marks/scratches, etc? > > I have read some posts here that EasyServ has become careless in its > handling and > the service overall is not what it used to be. > I would stay away from ConpUSA or other large chain outfits. I have found > that generally > the clerks have little knowledge of the value of these systems and throw > them around like it was > there $20 walkman. Yeah, IBM gave me a list of all the chains while one technician gave me a list of the Business Partners with Service. I don't know about CompUSA since they don't even sell the 770. And their sales people aren't even courteous to make me want to use their service department. I guess the local store with a repair/service center next door as a independent retailer might be better but 2-4 days to fix a 20 minute problem. > > both of your lines come from the same Cat5 cable, then both should > achieve > > the same speeds since they are connected to the same CO unless your second > > line isn't a true line between you and the CO and they basically use > > digital loops to make it work. What city, state are you located? I'll > > ask some of my peers in the telecommunications industry about your area > > and see what they say. > > I use Bell Atlantic in the Northern NJ area (Basking Ridge). I had thought > they would both be the same as far as performance and have even changed the > number usinf different prefix thinking it may somehow be routed through > another switch.. When I spoke to a service tech at BA they said all the > lines in my area are new and are all fibre optic. Hmmm, the lines might be fibre optic but it depends on what kind of copper is coming from the fibre to your place. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 01:43:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA23296 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20003; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:38:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19807; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19759; Sun, 23 May 1999 01:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 01:38:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA02099; Sat, 22 May 1999 22:37:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:37:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: Bill Morrow , Rick Floyd , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <005a01bea4dd$619d9ec0$cc276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > > > I use a NetGear card. > > > > Here is a question for you, if you left the card in the machine > > for a hour with the machine on continuously, does the card get real hot? > > If I am actually using the network it does get hot. But if you really want > to feel hot try the hard drive after a few hours of use. The HD isn't nearly as hot as my 3Com card gets... > > > Yes, generally I just use that for files or some loose papers. It seems > > > that's all it was intended for. > > > > Hmmm, okay, since Port doesn't really explain what each pocket and > > thing is designed for unlike Targus, Kensington, etc. > > > Well thats what's nice about the port cases, there are plenty of pockets and > all large enough so you can put things wherever you like. Yep, I guess so... There are too many pockets too =) Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 03:34:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA24118 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 03:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25195; Sun, 23 May 1999 03:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 03:28:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24959; Sun, 23 May 1999 03:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24905; Sun, 23 May 1999 03:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 03:28:49 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-85.gate.net [199.227.20.148]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA327332; Sun, 23 May 1999 03:30:14 -0400 Message-ID: <3747AE27.C8DB02BB@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 03:28:39 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: which machine..?? your 770Z..??? the one you .... . . . . . . . . .!? okok.. you can reset the machine serial number in the ez setup.. i read it but (really) i don't recall exactly how.. when i read it i tried it and it does work.. you don't need the CE diskette, aka Hardware maintenance thingie... look on the IBM web site, in the hardwarer manuals there.. this feature is available but obviously is not widely advertised.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Sat, 22 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > > you want to be a little more informative here.. ? :-) > > Okay, here we go :-) > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I finally got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU working correctly with the > > > transition from my 385ED thanks to Jonathan, Bill, Donald, and anyone else > > > I forgot to mention. Updated the BIOS and all the drivers and the system > > > will hang during suspend and shutdown. It seems the Trackpoint IV drivers > > > released on 5/20/99 fixed this problem with Win 98. Anyways, so far so > > > good except I shutdown successfully and tried to cold boot, machine boots > > > up with a Bios Error code 188 and I called up IBM HelpCenter and they told > > > me that it takes 2-4 days after they receive it to fix the problem > > > > what IS the problem..what did 'they' say..?? > > The problem is that the EEPROM lost the Serial Number of the > machine in the BIOS and needs to be reentered. > > > how will the hardware maintenance diskette help..?? > > It's needed to reenter the Serial Number back into the EEPROM. > This is documented in HMM Volume 4 under Error Code 188. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > which > > > takes only 20 minutes if I can get ahold of the IBM ThinkPad Hardware > > > Maintenance Disk, does anyone have a copy of this they can e-mail me or > > > where I can find it on the net? I really need my machine working to > > > maintain the ISPs I operate and the financial markets. Thanks in advance > > > for anyone that can help. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > Done on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 08:12:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA25015 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 08:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11290; Sun, 23 May 1999 08:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 08:07:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11114; Sun, 23 May 1999 08:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11100; Sun, 23 May 1999 08:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (207.69.200.32 -> smtp2.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 08:07:14 -0400 Received: from WilliamArmstrong (user-2iveagr.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.42.27]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA20106; Sun, 23 May 1999 08:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "William Armstrong" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 08:08:21 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, I saw a couple of backpacks that sounded interesting. The problem is remembering where I saw them! The most interesting one that I can find straightaway is the TOM BIHN Big Brain Bag. It accommodates the Extra Large Lap Dog (I did not invent these names!). Take a look at: http://www.tombihn.com/daypacks.html Sorry to hear about the Video Adapter. Have you bought it separately? If so, have you used it? -Bill -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 7:15 PM To: William Armstrong Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases On Mon, 17 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: Hello William, > Vincent, > > I have the TENBA case, not the C434, which is a newer design. The C434 is > designed for vertical organization and shows a laptop inserted in to the > case long side up. I can't tell from the drawing if the laptop is in it's > own insert sleeve or not. The case I have has an insert for the laptop. > It's a little small for the 770's extra width, but otherwise is an the whole > case is excellent. I especially like it for the backpack harness that I > purchased separately. This allows me to carry my laptop on my back to > meetings around the city (NYC) or on trips. I am thinking about also > getting a dedicated backpack as I see there are now a couple of companies > that have a good backpack design that will hold the 770. I could use the > backpack for more casual trips, etc. Interesting. What backpacks are you considering? > BTW, was it you Vincent who recently bought the 770Z from PC CONNECTION? Yes, it was me =) > Did it come with the Video Adapter? Nope, it didn't. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:21 PM > To: Rick Floyd > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases > > On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: > > Hello Rick, > > > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check out: > > > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about the same > size > > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. > > I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the TP's. > > > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED well. > It's > > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback to the > Tenba > > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both because it has > > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and several large > > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much everything > > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external pockets for > > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your investment, > > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. > > How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? Speaking > about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was just curious > where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z in the case? > > > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has become my > > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable and well > > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the 770 (in a > > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of small > > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba case > > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of lugging them > > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until the first > > time... > > Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a backpack > for school. > > > Rick > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 12:45:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26547 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 12:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17172; Sun, 23 May 1999 12:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 12:39:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16959; Sun, 23 May 1999 12:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16945; Sun, 23 May 1999 12:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 12:39:22 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.78.196.188]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990523163919.EPJU17625@oemcomputer>; Sun, 23 May 1999 16:39:19 +0000 Message-ID: <37482B78.681C@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:23:20 -0400 From: Simon Bryquer Reply-To: xsbryquer@xworldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu CC: Bill Morrow Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk References: <3747AE27.C8DB02BB@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: When I update the Bios on my 380xd I noticed that in the SYSTEM INFORMATION of the TP CONFIGURATION utility that the BIOS VERSION was update with new version(03/03/99 ICET27WW) but the BIOS PART NUMBER was filled with XXXXXXXXX. Now I have not received any errors and all test in EZ SETUP are OK, but will this lack of a bios part number present a problem for future updates or if I have to do a recovery in the future? Simon Bryquer Bill Morrow wrote: > > which machine..?? your 770Z..??? > the one you .... . . . . . . . . .!? > > okok.. > you can reset the machine serial number in the ez setup.. > i read it but (really) i don't recall exactly how.. > when i read it i tried it and it does work.. > you don't need the CE diskette, aka Hardware maintenance thingie... > > look on the IBM web site, in the hardwarer manuals there.. > this feature is available but obviously is not widely advertised.. > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Sat, 22 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > you want to be a little more informative here.. ? :-) > > > > Okay, here we go :-) > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I finally got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU working correctly with the > > > > transition from my 385ED thanks to Jonathan, Bill, Donald, and anyone else > > > > I forgot to mention. Updated the BIOS and all the drivers and the system > > > > will hang during suspend and shutdown. It seems the Trackpoint IV drivers > > > > released on 5/20/99 fixed this problem with Win 98. Anyways, so far so > > > > good except I shutdown successfully and tried to cold boot, machine boots > > > > up with a Bios Error code 188 and I called up IBM HelpCenter and they told > > > > me that it takes 2-4 days after they receive it to fix the problem > > > > > > what IS the problem..what did 'they' say..?? > > > > The problem is that the EEPROM lost the Serial Number of the > > machine in the BIOS and needs to be reentered. > > > > > how will the hardware maintenance diskette help..?? > > > > It's needed to reenter the Serial Number back into the EEPROM. > > This is documented in HMM Volume 4 under Error Code 188. > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > which > > > > takes only 20 minutes if I can get ahold of the IBM ThinkPad Hardware > > > > Maintenance Disk, does anyone have a copy of this they can e-mail me or > > > > where I can find it on the net? I really need my machine working to > > > > maintain the ISPs I operate and the financial markets. Thanks in advance > > > > for anyone that can help. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > > Done on a > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. -- Simon Bryquer -- Remove X before Name & World when replying From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 14:35:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27398 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24202; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 14:27:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23183; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22978; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 14:26:42 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-10.gate.net [207.36.212.10]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA259028; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:28:07 -0400 Message-ID: <37484857.5BB77661@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:26:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xsbryquer@xworldnet.att.net CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk References: <3747AE27.C8DB02BB@icanect.net> <37482B78.681C@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: not sure about the 380 series.. ibm has been using different ez setup/bios configueration utilities on different series machines and i'm only familiar with the one that has been on the senior machines since the 750.. note that the new 570 has a different ez setup utility.. way different from what i'm accustomed to see... to your question, i would not worry too overmuch about the "XXXX" 's until you have a problem.. also note that its usually permitted to up level and down level the bios, but not reload the SAME bios level.. Simon Bryquer wrote: > When I update the Bios on my 380xd I noticed that in the SYSTEM > INFORMATION of the TP CONFIGURATION utility that the BIOS VERSION was > update with new version(03/03/99 ICET27WW) but the BIOS PART NUMBER was > filled with XXXXXXXXX. > > Now I have not received any errors and all test in EZ SETUP are OK, but > will this lack of a bios part number present a problem for future > updates or if I have to do a recovery in the future? > > Simon Bryquer > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > which machine..?? your 770Z..??? > > the one you .... . . . . . . . . .!? > > > > okok.. > > you can reset the machine serial number in the ez setup.. > > i read it but (really) i don't recall exactly how.. > > when i read it i tried it and it does work.. > > you don't need the CE diskette, aka Hardware maintenance thingie... > > > > look on the IBM web site, in the hardwarer manuals there.. > > this feature is available but obviously is not widely advertised.. > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 22 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > > you want to be a little more informative here.. ? :-) > > > > > > Okay, here we go :-) > > > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > I finally got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU working correctly with the > > > > > transition from my 385ED thanks to Jonathan, Bill, Donald, and anyone else > > > > > I forgot to mention. Updated the BIOS and all the drivers and the system > > > > > will hang during suspend and shutdown. It seems the Trackpoint IV drivers > > > > > released on 5/20/99 fixed this problem with Win 98. Anyways, so far so > > > > > good except I shutdown successfully and tried to cold boot, machine boots > > > > > up with a Bios Error code 188 and I called up IBM HelpCenter and they told > > > > > me that it takes 2-4 days after they receive it to fix the problem > > > > > > > > what IS the problem..what did 'they' say..?? > > > > > > The problem is that the EEPROM lost the Serial Number of the > > > machine in the BIOS and needs to be reentered. > > > > > > > how will the hardware maintenance diskette help..?? > > > > > > It's needed to reenter the Serial Number back into the EEPROM. > > > This is documented in HMM Volume 4 under Error Code 188. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > which > > > > > takes only 20 minutes if I can get ahold of the IBM ThinkPad Hardware > > > > > Maintenance Disk, does anyone have a copy of this they can e-mail me or > > > > > where I can find it on the net? I really need my machine working to > > > > > maintain the ISPs I operate and the financial markets. Thanks in advance > > > > > for anyone that can help. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > > > Done on a > > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > > on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > -- > Simon Bryquer -- Remove X before Name & World when replying -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 14:45:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27466 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26710; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 14:30:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24100; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23940; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 14:29:53 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-10.gate.net [207.36.212.10]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA351730; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:31:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3748490F.E7A3CB6A@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:29:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: warmstrong@waldinc.com CC: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi Bill, Vince.. the enhanced video adapter is not part of the standard 770Z (or X for that matter).. is an extra cost option.. the 10L1228 (i think thats the right #) is good for all the 770 line.. the older version is only useable on the 770-1AU and 770E series.. William Armstrong wrote: > Vincent, > > I saw a couple of backpacks that sounded interesting. The problem is > remembering where I saw them! The most interesting one that I can find > straightaway is the TOM BIHN Big Brain Bag. It accommodates the Extra Large > Lap Dog (I did not invent these names!). Take a look at: > > http://www.tombihn.com/daypacks.html > > Sorry to hear about the Video Adapter. Have you bought it separately? If > so, have you used it? > > -Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 7:15 PM > To: William Armstrong > Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases > > On Mon, 17 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: > > Hello William, > > > Vincent, > > > > I have the TENBA case, not the C434, which is a newer design. The C434 is > > designed for vertical organization and shows a laptop inserted in to the > > case long side up. I can't tell from the drawing if the laptop is in it's > > own insert sleeve or not. The case I have has an insert for the laptop. > > It's a little small for the 770's extra width, but otherwise is an the > whole > > case is excellent. I especially like it for the backpack harness that I > > purchased separately. This allows me to carry my laptop on my back to > > meetings around the city (NYC) or on trips. I am thinking about also > > getting a dedicated backpack as I see there are now a couple of companies > > that have a good backpack design that will hold the 770. I could use the > > backpack for more casual trips, etc. > > Interesting. What backpacks are you considering? > > > BTW, was it you Vincent who recently bought the 770Z from PC CONNECTION? > > Yes, it was me =) > > > Did it come with the Video Adapter? > > Nope, it didn't. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:21 PM > > To: Rick Floyd > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases > > > > On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: > > > > Hello Rick, > > > > > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check out: > > > > > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > > > > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about the same > > size > > > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. > > > > I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the TP's. > > > > > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED well. > > It's > > > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback to the > > Tenba > > > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both because it has > > > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and several > large > > > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much > everything > > > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external pockets > for > > > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your > investment, > > > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. > > > > How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? Speaking > > about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was just curious > > where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z in the case? > > > > > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has become my > > > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable and well > > > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the 770 (in a > > > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of small > > > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba case > > > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of lugging them > > > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until the > first > > > time... > > > > Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a backpack > > for school. > > > > > Rick > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 14:49:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27480 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28209; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 14:43:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27659; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27561; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 14:42:50 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-10.gate.net [207.36.212.10]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA292524 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:44:19 -0400 Message-ID: <37484C23.FA58397B@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:42:43 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk TO: SIMON BRYQUER References: <3747AE27.C8DB02BB@icanect.net> <37482B78.681C@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Simon.. if you WANT HELP, make it so i can RESPOND to you with out getting all these @#$%^&*&ING return to sender, fatal error messages.. ok..?? in short, i'm NOT going to parse the lousey return address more than one time and make guesses as to WHAT the real address is..! :-\ ***BEGIN*** The original message was received at Sun, 23 May 1999 14:33:15 -0400 >from tspsl1-10.gate.net [207.36.212.10] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: xworldnet.att.net: host not found) Reporting-MTA: dns; wichita.gate.net Received-From-MTA: DNS; tspsl1-10.gate.net Arrival-Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:33:15 -0400 Final-Recipient: RFC822; sbryquer@xworldnet.att.net Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; xworldnet.att.net Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:33:18 -0400 Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:31:40 -0400 From: Bill Morrow To: sbryquer@xworldnet.att.net References: 1 , 2 , 3 The original message was received at Sun, 23 May 1999 14:28:07 -0400 >from tspsl1-10.gate.net [207.36.212.10] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: xworldnet.att.net: host not found) Reporting-MTA: dns; wichita.gate.net Received-From-MTA: DNS; tspsl1-10.gate.net Arrival-Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:28:07 -0400 Final-Recipient: RFC822; xsbryquer@xworldnet.att.net Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; xworldnet.att.net Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:28:10 -0400 Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:26:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow To: xsbryquer@xworldnet.att.net CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu References: 1 , 2 , 3 not sure about the 380 series.. ibm has been using different ez setup/bios configueration utilities on different series machines and i'm only familiar with the one that has been on the senior machines since the 750.. note that the new 570 has a different ez setup utility.. way different from what i'm accustomed to see... to your question, i would not worry too overmuch about the "XXXX" 's until you have a problem.. also note that its usually permitted to up level and down level the bios, but not reload the SAME bios level.. Simon Bryquer wrote: > When I update the Bios on my 380xd I noticed that in the SYSTEM > INFORMATION of the TP CONFIGURATION utility that the BIOS VERSION was > update with new version(03/03/99 ICET27WW) but the BIOS PART NUMBER was > filled with XXXXXXXXX. > > Now I have not received any errors and all test in EZ SETUP are OK, but > will this lack of a bios part number present a problem for future > updates or if I have to do a recovery in the future? > > Simon Bryquer > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > which machine..?? your 770Z..??? > > the one you .... . . . . . . . . .!? > > > > okok.. > > you can reset the machine serial number in the ez setup.. > > i read it but (really) i don't recall exactly how.. > > when i read it i tried it and it does work.. > > you don't need the CE diskette, aka Hardware maintenance thingie... > > > > look on the IBM web site, in the hardwarer manuals there.. > > this feature is available but obviously is not widely advertised.. > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 22 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > > you want to be a little more informative here.. ? :-) > > > > > > Okay, here we go :-) > > > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > I finally got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU working correctly with the > > > > > transition from my 385ED thanks to Jonathan, Bill, Donald, and anyone else > > > > > I forgot to mention. Updated the BIOS and all the drivers and the system > > > > > will hang during suspend and shutdown. It seems the Trackpoint IV drivers > > > > > released on 5/20/99 fixed this problem with Win 98. Anyways, so far so > > > > > good except I shutdown successfully and tried to cold boot, machine boots > > > > > up with a Bios Error code 188 and I called up IBM HelpCenter and they told > > > > > me that it takes 2-4 days after they receive it to fix the problem > > > > > > > > what IS the problem..what did 'they' say..?? > > > > > > The problem is that the EEPROM lost the Serial Number of the > > > machine in the BIOS and needs to be reentered. > > > > > > > how will the hardware maintenance diskette help..?? > > > > > > It's needed to reenter the Serial Number back into the EEPROM. > > > This is documented in HMM Volume 4 under Error Code 188. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > which > > > > > takes only 20 minutes if I can get ahold of the IBM ThinkPad Hardware > > > > > Maintenance Disk, does anyone have a copy of this they can e-mail me or > > > > > where I can find it on the net? I really need my machine working to > > > > > maintain the ISPs I operate and the financial markets. Thanks in advance > > > > > for anyone that can help. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > > > Done on a > > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > > on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > -- > Simon Bryquer -- Remove X before Name & World when replying -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. ***END*** Simon Bryquer wrote: > When I update the Bios on my 380xd I noticed that in the SYSTEM > INFORMATION of the TP CONFIGURATION utility that the BIOS VERSION was > update with new version(03/03/99 ICET27WW) but the BIOS PART NUMBER was > filled with XXXXXXXXX. > > Now I have not received any errors and all test in EZ SETUP are OK, but > will this lack of a bios part number present a problem for future > updates or if I have to do a recovery in the future? > > Simon Bryquer > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > which machine..?? your 770Z..??? > > the one you .... . . . . . . . . .!? > > > > okok.. > > you can reset the machine serial number in the ez setup.. > > i read it but (really) i don't recall exactly how.. > > when i read it i tried it and it does work.. > > you don't need the CE diskette, aka Hardware maintenance thingie... > > > > look on the IBM web site, in the hardwarer manuals there.. > > this feature is available but obviously is not widely advertised.. > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 22 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > > you want to be a little more informative here.. ? :-) > > > > > > Okay, here we go :-) > > > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > I finally got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU working correctly with the > > > > > transition from my 385ED thanks to Jonathan, Bill, Donald, and anyone else > > > > > I forgot to mention. Updated the BIOS and all the drivers and the system > > > > > will hang during suspend and shutdown. It seems the Trackpoint IV drivers > > > > > released on 5/20/99 fixed this problem with Win 98. Anyways, so far so > > > > > good except I shutdown successfully and tried to cold boot, machine boots > > > > > up with a Bios Error code 188 and I called up IBM HelpCenter and they told > > > > > me that it takes 2-4 days after they receive it to fix the problem > > > > > > > > what IS the problem..what did 'they' say..?? > > > > > > The problem is that the EEPROM lost the Serial Number of the > > > machine in the BIOS and needs to be reentered. > > > > > > > how will the hardware maintenance diskette help..?? > > > > > > It's needed to reenter the Serial Number back into the EEPROM. > > > This is documented in HMM Volume 4 under Error Code 188. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > which > > > > > takes only 20 minutes if I can get ahold of the IBM ThinkPad Hardware > > > > > Maintenance Disk, does anyone have a copy of this they can e-mail me or > > > > > where I can find it on the net? I really need my machine working to > > > > > maintain the ISPs I operate and the financial markets. Thanks in advance > > > > > for anyone that can help. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > > > Done on a > > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > > on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > -- > Simon Bryquer -- Remove X before Name & World when replying -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 15:31:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA27781 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 15:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05356; Sun, 23 May 1999 15:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 15:26:11 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05200; Sun, 23 May 1999 15:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 15:26:10 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id PAA13891 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 23 May 1999 15:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05488; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 May 1999 20:26:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA00917; Sat, 22 May 1999 17:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <374748C2.7B190E26@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 22 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Hi Bill, > you want to be a little more informative here.. ? :-) Okay, here we go :-) > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I finally got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU working correctly with the > > transition from my 385ED thanks to Jonathan, Bill, Donald, and anyone else > > I forgot to mention. Updated the BIOS and all the drivers and the system > > will hang during suspend and shutdown. It seems the Trackpoint IV drivers > > released on 5/20/99 fixed this problem with Win 98. Anyways, so far so > > good except I shutdown successfully and tried to cold boot, machine boots > > up with a Bios Error code 188 and I called up IBM HelpCenter and they told > > me that it takes 2-4 days after they receive it to fix the problem > > what IS the problem..what did 'they' say..?? The problem is that the EEPROM lost the Serial Number of the machine in the BIOS and needs to be reentered. > how will the hardware maintenance diskette help..?? It's needed to reenter the Serial Number back into the EEPROM. This is documented in HMM Volume 4 under Error Code 188. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > which > > takes only 20 minutes if I can get ahold of the IBM ThinkPad Hardware > > Maintenance Disk, does anyone have a copy of this they can e-mail me or > > where I can find it on the net? I really need my machine working to > > maintain the ISPs I operate and the financial markets. Thanks in advance > > for anyone that can help. > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 15:55:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA27920 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 15:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06999; Sun, 23 May 1999 15:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 15:50:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06754; Sun, 23 May 1999 15:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06740; Sun, 23 May 1999 15:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 15:49:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA05898; Sun, 23 May 1999 12:49:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:49:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <3747AE27.C8DB02BB@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > which machine..?? your 770Z..??? > the one you .... . . . . . . . . .!? Yep, this was after I fixed all sorts of problems with Windows 98 after it was the TrackPoint IV Driver that did the hanging on shutdown and suspend. IBM HelpCenter was going to send me a new recovery CD to do that instead and I was going, not another 2 weeks. :-) > okok.. > you can reset the machine serial number in the ez setup.. > i read it but (really) i don't recall exactly how.. > when i read it i tried it and it does work.. > you don't need the CE diskette, aka Hardware maintenance thingie... > > look on the IBM web site, in the hardwarer manuals there.. > this feature is available but obviously is not widely advertised.. Hmmm, I looked but I can't seem to find it and the F1 key doesn't work to get into EZ-Setup. It will only let me boot up with a floppy disk afterwards for the BIOS. They told me to try to reflash the BIOS but I can't since I already have the newest one unless there was a way to force it. HMM Volume IV for the 770 section under Error Codes does show 188 needeing that CE disk. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Sat, 22 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > you want to be a little more informative here.. ? :-) > > > > Okay, here we go :-) > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I finally got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU working correctly with the > > > > transition from my 385ED thanks to Jonathan, Bill, Donald, and anyone else > > > > I forgot to mention. Updated the BIOS and all the drivers and the system > > > > will hang during suspend and shutdown. It seems the Trackpoint IV drivers > > > > released on 5/20/99 fixed this problem with Win 98. Anyways, so far so > > > > good except I shutdown successfully and tried to cold boot, machine boots > > > > up with a Bios Error code 188 and I called up IBM HelpCenter and they told > > > > me that it takes 2-4 days after they receive it to fix the problem > > > > > > what IS the problem..what did 'they' say..?? > > > > The problem is that the EEPROM lost the Serial Number of the > > machine in the BIOS and needs to be reentered. > > > > > how will the hardware maintenance diskette help..?? > > > > It's needed to reenter the Serial Number back into the EEPROM. > > This is documented in HMM Volume 4 under Error Code 188. > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > which > > > > takes only 20 minutes if I can get ahold of the IBM ThinkPad Hardware > > > > Maintenance Disk, does anyone have a copy of this they can e-mail me or > > > > where I can find it on the net? I really need my machine working to > > > > maintain the ISPs I operate and the financial markets. Thanks in advance > > > > for anyone that can help. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > > Done on a > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done > on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 16:03:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27957 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 16:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07635; Sun, 23 May 1999 15:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 15:58:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07431; Sun, 23 May 1999 15:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07418; Sun, 23 May 1999 15:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 15:58:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA05967; Sun, 23 May 1999 12:58:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:58:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: William Armstrong cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: Hi Bill and everyone, > I saw a couple of backpacks that sounded interesting. The problem is > remembering where I saw them! The most interesting one that I can find > straightaway is the TOM BIHN Big Brain Bag. It accommodates the Extra Large > Lap Dog (I did not invent these names!). Take a look at: > > http://www.tombihn.com/daypacks.html This looks pretty interesting except I wonder if you can just get the Big Brain Bag without using the Extra Large Lap Dog bag. > Sorry to hear about the Video Adapter. Have you bought it separately? If > so, have you used it? Haven't bought it yet since the DVDExpress with the new MPEG Drivers is working very well for video. The Audio even after the ac3rf.reg patch on the private ftp site still is choppy. It goes up and down in volume and isn't consistent. For all other audio apps besides DVD, you can hear audio a little above 0 while with DVD Express, it doesn't start until 2. Has anyone successfully updated to DirectX 6.1 and use DVD yet? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 7:15 PM > To: William Armstrong > Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases > > On Mon, 17 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: > > Hello William, > > > Vincent, > > > > I have the TENBA case, not the C434, which is a newer design. The C434 is > > designed for vertical organization and shows a laptop inserted in to the > > case long side up. I can't tell from the drawing if the laptop is in it's > > own insert sleeve or not. The case I have has an insert for the laptop. > > It's a little small for the 770's extra width, but otherwise is an the > whole > > case is excellent. I especially like it for the backpack harness that I > > purchased separately. This allows me to carry my laptop on my back to > > meetings around the city (NYC) or on trips. I am thinking about also > > getting a dedicated backpack as I see there are now a couple of companies > > that have a good backpack design that will hold the 770. I could use the > > backpack for more casual trips, etc. > > Interesting. What backpacks are you considering? > > > BTW, was it you Vincent who recently bought the 770Z from PC CONNECTION? > > Yes, it was me =) > > > Did it come with the Video Adapter? > > Nope, it didn't. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:21 PM > > To: Rick Floyd > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases > > > > On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: > > > > Hello Rick, > > > > > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check out: > > > > > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > > > > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about the same > > size > > > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. > > > > I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the TP's. > > > > > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED well. > > It's > > > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback to the > > Tenba > > > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both because it has > > > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and several > large > > > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much > everything > > > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external pockets > for > > > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your > investment, > > > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. > > > > How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? Speaking > > about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was just curious > > where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z in the case? > > > > > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has become my > > > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable and well > > > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the 770 (in a > > > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of small > > > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba case > > > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of lugging them > > > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until the > first > > > time... > > > > Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a backpack > > for school. > > > > > Rick > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 16:25:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA28077 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 16:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10446; Sun, 23 May 1999 16:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 16:20:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10265; Sun, 23 May 1999 16:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10179; Sun, 23 May 1999 16:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 16:20:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06106; Sun, 23 May 1999 13:20:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:20:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: warmstrong@waldinc.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <3748490F.E7A3CB6A@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Hi Bill x 2... > the enhanced video adapter is not part of the standard 770Z (or X for that > matter).. > is an extra cost option.. > the 10L1228 (i think thats the right #) is good for all the 770 line.. > the older version is only useable on the 770-1AU and 770E series.. Yep, that much I know but will the Enhanced Video Adapter offer any advantages to audio/video output even when using the machine without any external sources. I always wondered why IBM never made the volume knob go up to 10 like other manufacturers do for volume knobs. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > William Armstrong wrote: > > > Vincent, > > > > I saw a couple of backpacks that sounded interesting. The problem is > > remembering where I saw them! The most interesting one that I can find > > straightaway is the TOM BIHN Big Brain Bag. It accommodates the Extra Large > > Lap Dog (I did not invent these names!). Take a look at: > > > > http://www.tombihn.com/daypacks.html > > > > Sorry to hear about the Video Adapter. Have you bought it separately? If > > so, have you used it? > > > > -Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 7:15 PM > > To: William Armstrong > > Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases > > > > On Mon, 17 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: > > > > Hello William, > > > > > Vincent, > > > > > > I have the TENBA case, not the C434, which is a newer design. The C434 is > > > designed for vertical organization and shows a laptop inserted in to the > > > case long side up. I can't tell from the drawing if the laptop is in it's > > > own insert sleeve or not. The case I have has an insert for the laptop. > > > It's a little small for the 770's extra width, but otherwise is an the > > whole > > > case is excellent. I especially like it for the backpack harness that I > > > purchased separately. This allows me to carry my laptop on my back to > > > meetings around the city (NYC) or on trips. I am thinking about also > > > getting a dedicated backpack as I see there are now a couple of companies > > > that have a good backpack design that will hold the 770. I could use the > > > backpack for more casual trips, etc. > > > > Interesting. What backpacks are you considering? > > > > > BTW, was it you Vincent who recently bought the 770Z from PC CONNECTION? > > > > Yes, it was me =) > > > > > Did it come with the Video Adapter? > > > > Nope, it didn't. > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:21 PM > > > To: Rick Floyd > > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases > > > > > > On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: > > > > > > Hello Rick, > > > > > > > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check out: > > > > > > > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > > > > > > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about the same > > > size > > > > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. > > > > > > I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the TP's. > > > > > > > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED well. > > > It's > > > > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback to the > > > Tenba > > > > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both because it has > > > > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and several > > large > > > > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much > > everything > > > > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external pockets > > for > > > > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your > > investment, > > > > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. > > > > > > How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? Speaking > > > about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was just curious > > > where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z in the case? > > > > > > > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has become my > > > > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable and well > > > > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the 770 (in a > > > > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of small > > > > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba case > > > > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of lugging them > > > > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until the > > first > > > > time... > > > > > > Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a backpack > > > for school. > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > [__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 16:30:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA28104 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 16:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11474; Sun, 23 May 1999 16:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 16:26:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11193; Sun, 23 May 1999 16:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11178; Sun, 23 May 1999 16:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 16:26:25 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.77.217.215]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990523202622.GRZJ17625@oemcomputer>; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:26:22 +0000 Message-ID: <37486440.3770@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 16:25:36 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sounds like you need to use recovery win 98 disc that came with the 8AU. Do full format C&D just like factory installation. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 16:50:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA28198 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 16:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12937; Sun, 23 May 1999 16:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 16:48:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12682; Sun, 23 May 1999 16:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12669; Sun, 23 May 1999 16:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 16:48:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06241; Sun, 23 May 1999 13:47:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Birger Petterson cc: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <37486440.3770@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Birger Petterson wrote: > Sounds like you need to use recovery win 98 disc that came with the 8AU. > Do full format C&D just like factory installation. Not quite.... There is nothing wrong with the Data on the HD. It's the BIOS that has the Error Code 188 which is the serial number has to be reentered using the ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk v1.4 or later. The Win98 part is fine since the problem with the hanging is the March 1999 Trackpoint IV drivers for win98 for the 770Z 9549-8AU somehow hangs the system from a full shutdown or full suspend. The 5/20/99 TrackPoint Drivers fixed this which I reported back to both Online and telephone HelpCenter. Then as soon as I turn the machine on, it checks the memory as part of the Power On Diagnostics (POST) and then the 188 error, then it will only read the floppy drive from that point. It will boot up the System Program BIOS Disk but I can't reflash since I already loaded the newest BIOS prior to that. I don't know if it will boot a regular DOS disk okay though. It won't go into bios setup mode if I hold the F1 key down since it will go directly to the 188 error. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 17:04:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28333 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13768; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:03:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13577; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13559; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.35 -> slip-32-100-39-35.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:03:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bea55f$aa8d0f80$23276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" , "Birger Petterson" Cc: "Bill Morrow" , References: Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:03:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, I have BIOS Version 1.27 which I can email to you. I should have an older one as well, just need to dig for it. Which ver did you install? Also if you hold down the F1 key immediately after turning on the power (not a warm boot) you should get to the setup program. Once there go under Config and press Ctrl N This should give you a screen where you can enter the system serial #. Don > Not quite.... There is nothing wrong with the Data on the HD. > It's the BIOS that has the Error Code 188 which is the serial number has > to be reentered using the ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk v1.4 or > later. The Win98 part is fine since the problem with the hanging is > the March 1999 Trackpoint IV drivers for win98 for the 770Z 9549-8AU > somehow hangs the system from a full shutdown or full suspend. The > 5/20/99 TrackPoint Drivers fixed this which I reported back to both Online > and telephone HelpCenter. Then as soon as I turn the machine on, it > checks the memory as part of the Power On Diagnostics (POST) and then the > 188 error, then it will only read the floppy drive from that point. It > will boot up the System Program BIOS Disk but I can't reflash since I > already loaded the newest BIOS prior to that. I don't know if it will > boot a regular DOS disk okay though. It won't go into bios setup mode if > I hold the F1 key down since it will go directly to the 188 error. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 17:13:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28389 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14297; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:11:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14101; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14074; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.35 -> slip-32-100-39-35.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:10:52 -0400 Message-ID: <001501bea560$bdfa6620$23276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" , "William Armstrong" Cc: References: Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:10:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I have the Video Adapter on a 770ED. It really helps the DVD playback but then again that is a PII 266 System. The 770Z is PII 366. I have read that once you get over the 300Mhz mark the processor can handle playback without an adapter and still look good. As for DVDExpress, I have read that it works better than SoftDVD which came with earlier versions of the 770's. I wish IBM would send us the DVDExpress as SoftDVD will not work with the latest MPEG drivers and overall SoftDVD really is lacking in features... Don > > Sorry to hear about the Video Adapter. Have you bought it separately? If > > so, have you used it? > > Haven't bought it yet since the DVDExpress with the new MPEG > Drivers is working very well for video. The Audio even after the > ac3rf.reg patch on the private ftp site still is choppy. It goes up and > down in volume and isn't consistent. For all other audio apps besides > DVD, you can hear audio a little above 0 while with DVD Express, it > doesn't start until 2. Has anyone successfully updated to DirectX 6.1 and > use DVD yet? > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 7:15 PM > > To: William Armstrong > > Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases > > > > On Mon, 17 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: > > > > Hello William, > > > > > Vincent, > > > > > > I have the TENBA case, not the C434, which is a newer design. The C434 is > > > designed for vertical organization and shows a laptop inserted in to the > > > case long side up. I can't tell from the drawing if the laptop is in it's > > > own insert sleeve or not. The case I have has an insert for the laptop. > > > It's a little small for the 770's extra width, but otherwise is an the > > whole > > > case is excellent. I especially like it for the backpack harness that I > > > purchased separately. This allows me to carry my laptop on my back to > > > meetings around the city (NYC) or on trips. I am thinking about also > > > getting a dedicated backpack as I see there are now a couple of companies > > > that have a good backpack design that will hold the 770. I could use the > > > backpack for more casual trips, etc. > > > > Interesting. What backpacks are you considering? > > > > > BTW, was it you Vincent who recently bought the 770Z from PC CONNECTION? > > > > Yes, it was me =) > > > > > Did it come with the Video Adapter? > > > > Nope, it didn't. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:21 PM > > > To: Rick Floyd > > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases > > > > > > On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: > > > > > > Hello Rick, > > > > > > > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check out: > > > > > > > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > > > > > > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about the same > > > size > > > > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. > > > > > > I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the TP's. > > > > > > > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED well. > > > It's > > > > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback to the > > > Tenba > > > > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both because it has > > > > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and several > > large > > > > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much > > everything > > > > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external pockets > > for > > > > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your > > investment, > > > > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. > > > > > > How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? Speaking > > > about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was just curious > > > where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z in the case? > > > > > > > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has become my > > > > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable and well > > > > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the 770 (in a > > > > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of small > > > > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba case > > > > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of lugging them > > > > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until the > > first > > > > time... > > > > > > Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a backpack > > > for school. > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > [__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 17:15:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28410 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14874; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:12:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14451; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14364; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:12:22 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-207.gate.net [207.36.212.207]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA419942; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:13:43 -0400 Message-ID: <37486F27.BC28CC42@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:12:07 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Mak CC: Vincent Poy , Birger Petterson , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk References: <000901bea55f$aa8d0f80$23276420@thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Don and all.. all the files back to the TP700 and beyond WERE available on the IBM site, but i see that the link is no longer valid.. i suggest doing a search if you can't find the older bios's.. :-) Donald Mak wrote: > Vincent, > I have BIOS Version 1.27 which I can email to you. I should have an older > one as well, just need to dig for it. Which ver did you install? > > Also if you hold down the F1 key immediately after turning on the power (not > a warm boot) you should get to the setup program. Once there go under Config > and press Ctrl N This should give you a screen where you can enter the > system serial #. > > Don > > > Not quite.... There is nothing wrong with the Data on the HD. > > It's the BIOS that has the Error Code 188 which is the serial number has > > to be reentered using the ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk v1.4 or > > later. The Win98 part is fine since the problem with the hanging is > > the March 1999 Trackpoint IV drivers for win98 for the 770Z 9549-8AU > > somehow hangs the system from a full shutdown or full suspend. The > > 5/20/99 TrackPoint Drivers fixed this which I reported back to both Online > > and telephone HelpCenter. Then as soon as I turn the machine on, it > > checks the memory as part of the Power On Diagnostics (POST) and then the > > 188 error, then it will only read the floppy drive from that point. It > > will boot up the System Program BIOS Disk but I can't reflash since I > > already loaded the newest BIOS prior to that. I don't know if it will > > boot a regular DOS disk okay though. It won't go into bios setup mode if > > I hold the F1 key down since it will go directly to the 188 error. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 17:18:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28432 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15398; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:16:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15105; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15089; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:16:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06396; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:16:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: Birger Petterson , Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <000901bea55f$aa8d0f80$23276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: Hi Donald, > I have BIOS Version 1.27 which I can email to you. I should have an older > one as well, just need to dig for it. Which ver did you install? This is the one I installed... Diskette BIOS BIOS Version Level Date -------- -------- -------- 1.00 ioet18ww 04-15-99 It would be great if you can send me an earlier version since it's no longer on the ftp or the website. > Also if you hold down the F1 key immediately after turning on the power (not > a warm boot) you should get to the setup program. Once there go under Config > and press Ctrl N This should give you a screen where you can enter the > system serial #. I did that already and this is what happens... I hold down F1 and turn on power... memory size 188 and then it goes into the error screen with the error 188 and then it can boot up any of the IBM utility disks from that point from floppy and nothing else. It canm't get into the setup program any longer. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > Not quite.... There is nothing wrong with the Data on the HD. > > It's the BIOS that has the Error Code 188 which is the serial number has > > to be reentered using the ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk v1.4 or > > later. The Win98 part is fine since the problem with the hanging is > > the March 1999 Trackpoint IV drivers for win98 for the 770Z 9549-8AU > > somehow hangs the system from a full shutdown or full suspend. The > > 5/20/99 TrackPoint Drivers fixed this which I reported back to both Online > > and telephone HelpCenter. Then as soon as I turn the machine on, it > > checks the memory as part of the Power On Diagnostics (POST) and then the > > 188 error, then it will only read the floppy drive from that point. It > > will boot up the System Program BIOS Disk but I can't reflash since I > > already loaded the newest BIOS prior to that. I don't know if it will > > boot a regular DOS disk okay though. It won't go into bios setup mode if > > I hold the F1 key down since it will go directly to the 188 error. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 17:21:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28454 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15892; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:18:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15497; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15466; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:18:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06411; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:18:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:18:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: William Armstrong , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <001501bea560$bdfa6620$23276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: Hi Donald, Bill and everyone, > I have the Video Adapter on a 770ED. It really helps the DVD playback but > then again that is a PII 266 System. The 770Z is PII 366. I have read that > once you get over the 300Mhz mark the processor can handle playback without > an adapter and still look good. I'm just wondering if the Video Adapter is worth buying since the only good feature I can think of is to connect it to someone's TV and audio system when they don't have a DVD player. > As for DVDExpress, I have read that it works better than SoftDVD which came > with earlier versions of the 770's. I wish IBM would send us the DVDExpress > as SoftDVD will not work with the latest MPEG drivers and overall SoftDVD > really is lacking in features... Actually, if you request it on the Discussion Forums on the IBM Website for thinkpad's, Terry at IBM WorldWide Online HelpCenter will e-mail it to you. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > Sorry to hear about the Video Adapter. Have you bought it separately? > If > > > so, have you used it? > > > > Haven't bought it yet since the DVDExpress with the new MPEG > > Drivers is working very well for video. The Audio even after the > > ac3rf.reg patch on the private ftp site still is choppy. It goes up and > > down in volume and isn't consistent. For all other audio apps besides > > DVD, you can hear audio a little above 0 while with DVD Express, it > > doesn't start until 2. Has anyone successfully updated to DirectX 6.1 and > > use DVD yet? > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 7:15 PM > > > To: William Armstrong > > > Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases > > > > > > On Mon, 17 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: > > > > > > Hello William, > > > > > > > Vincent, > > > > > > > > I have the TENBA case, not the C434, which is a newer design. The > C434 is > > > > designed for vertical organization and shows a laptop inserted in to > the > > > > case long side up. I can't tell from the drawing if the laptop is in > it's > > > > own insert sleeve or not. The case I have has an insert for the > laptop. > > > > It's a little small for the 770's extra width, but otherwise is an the > > > whole > > > > case is excellent. I especially like it for the backpack harness that > I > > > > purchased separately. This allows me to carry my laptop on my back to > > > > meetings around the city (NYC) or on trips. I am thinking about also > > > > getting a dedicated backpack as I see there are now a couple of > companies > > > > that have a good backpack design that will hold the 770. I could use > the > > > > backpack for more casual trips, etc. > > > > > > Interesting. What backpacks are you considering? > > > > > > > BTW, was it you Vincent who recently bought the 770Z from PC > CONNECTION? > > > > > > Yes, it was me =) > > > > > > > Did it come with the Video Adapter? > > > > > > Nope, it didn't. > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > |[__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:21 PM > > > > To: Rick Floyd > > > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Rick, > > > > > > > > > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check out: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > > > > > > > > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about the > same > > > > size > > > > > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. > > > > > > > > I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the TP's. > > > > > > > > > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED > well. > > > > It's > > > > > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback to > the > > > > Tenba > > > > > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both because it > has > > > > > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and several > > > large > > > > > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much > > > everything > > > > > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external > pockets > > > for > > > > > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your > > > investment, > > > > > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. > > > > > > > > How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? > Speaking > > > > about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was just > curious > > > > where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z in the > case? > > > > > > > > > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has > become my > > > > > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable and > well > > > > > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the 770 > (in a > > > > > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of > small > > > > > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba > case > > > > > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of lugging > them > > > > > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until the > > > first > > > > > time... > > > > > > > > Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a backpack > > > > for school. > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > > ____ > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > > [__ ] > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > > __] ] > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > > __] ] > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 17:22:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28466 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16219; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:20:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15873; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15805; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:20:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06436; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:19:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:19:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Donald Mak , Birger Petterson , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <37486F27.BC28CC42@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: > Don and all.. > all the files back to the TP700 and beyond WERE available on the IBM site, but i > see that the link is no longer valid.. > > i suggest doing a search if you can't find the older bios's.. :-) Heh, under what file name though since I tried searching for the past 2 days without any success. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Donald Mak wrote: > > > Vincent, > > I have BIOS Version 1.27 which I can email to you. I should have an older > > one as well, just need to dig for it. Which ver did you install? > > > > Also if you hold down the F1 key immediately after turning on the power (not > > a warm boot) you should get to the setup program. Once there go under Config > > and press Ctrl N This should give you a screen where you can enter the > > system serial #. > > > > Don > > > > > Not quite.... There is nothing wrong with the Data on the HD. > > > It's the BIOS that has the Error Code 188 which is the serial number has > > > to be reentered using the ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk v1.4 or > > > later. The Win98 part is fine since the problem with the hanging is > > > the March 1999 Trackpoint IV drivers for win98 for the 770Z 9549-8AU > > > somehow hangs the system from a full shutdown or full suspend. The > > > 5/20/99 TrackPoint Drivers fixed this which I reported back to both Online > > > and telephone HelpCenter. Then as soon as I turn the machine on, it > > > checks the memory as part of the Power On Diagnostics (POST) and then the > > > 188 error, then it will only read the floppy drive from that point. It > > > will boot up the System Program BIOS Disk but I can't reflash since I > > > already loaded the newest BIOS prior to that. I don't know if it will > > > boot a regular DOS disk okay though. It won't go into bios setup mode if > > > I hold the F1 key down since it will go directly to the 188 error. > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > [__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 17:50:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28596 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17621; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:49:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17404; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17388; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.35 -> slip-32-100-39-35.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:48:53 -0400 Message-ID: <005001bea566$0e1d48c0$23276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Birger Petterson" , References: Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:48:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I wrote to soon earlier.. I do have earlier versions of the bios but not for the 770Z. The version you installed is the first version IBM released, hence version # 1.00. The only earlier version to that one would be the one preinstalled by IBM when the system is burned in after build at the factory and that would have never been available on the ftp site. Have you asked the tech's if you can somehow get that version from them? Don > > Don and all.. > > all the files back to the TP700 and beyond WERE available on the IBM site, but i > > see that the link is no longer valid.. > > > > i suggest doing a search if you can't find the older bios's.. :-) > > Heh, under what file name though since I tried searching for the > past 2 days without any success. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > Donald Mak wrote: > > > > > Vincent, > > > I have BIOS Version 1.27 which I can email to you. I should have an older > > > one as well, just need to dig for it. Which ver did you install? > > > > > > Also if you hold down the F1 key immediately after turning on the power (not > > > a warm boot) you should get to the setup program. Once there go under Config > > > and press Ctrl N This should give you a screen where you can enter the > > > system serial #. > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > Not quite.... There is nothing wrong with the Data on the HD. > > > > It's the BIOS that has the Error Code 188 which is the serial number has > > > > to be reentered using the ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk v1.4 or > > > > later. The Win98 part is fine since the problem with the hanging is > > > > the March 1999 Trackpoint IV drivers for win98 for the 770Z 9549-8AU > > > > somehow hangs the system from a full shutdown or full suspend. The > > > > 5/20/99 TrackPoint Drivers fixed this which I reported back to both Online > > > > and telephone HelpCenter. Then as soon as I turn the machine on, it > > > > checks the memory as part of the Power On Diagnostics (POST) and then the > > > > 188 error, then it will only read the floppy drive from that point. It > > > > will boot up the System Program BIOS Disk but I can't reflash since I > > > > already loaded the newest BIOS prior to that. I don't know if it will > > > > boot a regular DOS disk okay though. It won't go into bios setup mode if > > > > I hold the F1 key down since it will go directly to the 188 error. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > > ____ > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > > [__ ] > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > > __] ] > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > > __] ] > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > > Done on a > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 17:53:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28623 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18013; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:52:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17766; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17742; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.35 -> slip-32-100-39-35.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:51:51 -0400 Message-ID: <005501bea566$77912240$23276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "William Armstrong" , References: Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:51:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: That is one reason I like the video adapter. I can hook up to any TV wherever I am. Secondly, I use it for video capture. It does a rather good job of it. I did ask Terry once but apparently liscensing agreements between IBM and Mediamatics prevents IBM from releasing it on earlier systems. Don > I'm just wondering if the Video Adapter is worth buying since the > only good feature I can think of is to connect it to someone's TV and > audio system when they don't have a DVD player. > > > As for DVDExpress, I have read that it works better than SoftDVD which came > > with earlier versions of the 770's. I wish IBM would send us the DVDExpress > > as SoftDVD will not work with the latest MPEG drivers and overall SoftDVD > > really is lacking in features... > > Actually, if you request it on the Discussion Forums on the IBM > Website for thinkpad's, Terry at IBM WorldWide Online HelpCenter will > e-mail it to you. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > Sorry to hear about the Video Adapter. Have you bought it separately? > > If > > > > so, have you used it? > > > > > > Haven't bought it yet since the DVDExpress with the new MPEG > > > Drivers is working very well for video. The Audio even after the > > > ac3rf.reg patch on the private ftp site still is choppy. It goes up and > > > down in volume and isn't consistent. For all other audio apps besides > > > DVD, you can hear audio a little above 0 while with DVD Express, it > > > doesn't start until 2. Has anyone successfully updated to DirectX 6.1 and > > > use DVD yet? > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > [__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 7:15 PM > > > > To: William Armstrong > > > > Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases > > > > > > > > On Mon, 17 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello William, > > > > > > > > > Vincent, > > > > > > > > > > I have the TENBA case, not the C434, which is a newer design. The > > C434 is > > > > > designed for vertical organization and shows a laptop inserted in to > > the > > > > > case long side up. I can't tell from the drawing if the laptop is in > > it's > > > > > own insert sleeve or not. The case I have has an insert for the > > laptop. > > > > > It's a little small for the 770's extra width, but otherwise is an the > > > > whole > > > > > case is excellent. I especially like it for the backpack harness that > > I > > > > > purchased separately. This allows me to carry my laptop on my back to > > > > > meetings around the city (NYC) or on trips. I am thinking about also > > > > > getting a dedicated backpack as I see there are now a couple of > > companies > > > > > that have a good backpack design that will hold the 770. I could use > > the > > > > > backpack for more casual trips, etc. > > > > > > > > Interesting. What backpacks are you considering? > > > > > > > > > BTW, was it you Vincent who recently bought the 770Z from PC > > CONNECTION? > > > > > > > > Yes, it was me =) > > > > > > > > > Did it come with the Video Adapter? > > > > > > > > Nope, it didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > ____ > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > |[__ ] > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > __] ] > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > __] ] > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:21 PM > > > > > To: Rick Floyd > > > > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > > Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rick, > > > > > > > > > > > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check out: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > > > > > > > > > > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about the > > same > > > > > size > > > > > > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. > > > > > > > > > > I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the TP's. > > > > > > > > > > > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED > > well. > > > > > It's > > > > > > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback to > > the > > > > > Tenba > > > > > > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both because it > > has > > > > > > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and several > > > > large > > > > > > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much > > > > everything > > > > > > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external > > pockets > > > > for > > > > > > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your > > > > investment, > > > > > > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. > > > > > > > > > > How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? > > Speaking > > > > > about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was just > > curious > > > > > where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z in the > > case? > > > > > > > > > > > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has > > become my > > > > > > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable and > > well > > > > > > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the 770 > > (in a > > > > > > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of > > small > > > > > > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba > > case > > > > > > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of lugging > > them > > > > > > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until the > > > > first > > > > > > time... > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a backpack > > > > > for school. > > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > > > ____ > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > > > [__ ] > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > > > __] ] > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > > > __] ] > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 18:00:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA28675 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 18:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18724; Sun, 23 May 1999 18:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:59:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18539; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18514; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 17:59:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06632; Sun, 23 May 1999 14:59:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:59:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: Bill Morrow , Birger Petterson , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <005001bea566$0e1d48c0$23276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: Hi Don, > I wrote to soon earlier.. > I do have earlier versions of the bios but not for the 770Z. The version you > installed is the first version IBM released, hence version # 1.00. Hmmm, I always thought that there would be a earlier version posted. > The only earlier version to that one would be the one preinstalled by IBM > when the system is burned in after build at the factory and that would have > never been available on the ftp site. > Have you asked the tech's if you can somehow get that version from them? I did but they can't find it even doing a search. I just wish they allowed reflashing again like how the Award Bios flasher does instead of being stuck without the capability to reflash again. I'm not sure if it's just me but does the IBM HelpCenter really give advice on their own or do they basically use the KnowledgeBase which is available online since it seems like with the Shutdown/Suspend problem with Win98, all they can think of is that it's with the 3rd party software and other than that, to use the recovery CD to start from scratch when the real problem was with the TrackPoint IV Driver for Win98 which I fixed the problem on my own when the new version of the driver was released on 5/20/99. Knwoledgebase seems to give more ways of fixing the problem than phone support. With regarding to my POST Error Code 188, Knowledge Base only goes: The IBM Knowledge Base has determined that your ThinkPad may be faulty. Please contact the IBM HelpCenter or an authorized IBM Servicer. In order to facilitate the repair of your system unit, we recommend that when you have your unit serviced, by an authorized IBM Servicer, that you have your Proof of Purchase with you to show to the servicer. Proof of Purchase helps the servicer establish your Hardware warranty. In showing your Proof of Purchase it will help reduce delay in getting your system serviced. Level 2 has personally told me that this is some minor problem that can be fixed with either reflashing the BIOS or with the Hardware Maintenance Disk v1.4 or later. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > Don and all.. > > > all the files back to the TP700 and beyond WERE available on the IBM > site, but i > > > see that the link is no longer valid.. > > > > > > i suggest doing a search if you can't find the older bios's.. :-) > > > > Heh, under what file name though since I tried searching for the > > past 2 days without any success. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > Donald Mak wrote: > > > > > > > Vincent, > > > > I have BIOS Version 1.27 which I can email to you. I should have an > older > > > > one as well, just need to dig for it. Which ver did you install? > > > > > > > > Also if you hold down the F1 key immediately after turning on the > power (not > > > > a warm boot) you should get to the setup program. Once there go under > Config > > > > and press Ctrl N This should give you a screen where you can enter the > > > > system serial #. > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > Not quite.... There is nothing wrong with the Data on the HD. > > > > > It's the BIOS that has the Error Code 188 which is the serial number > has > > > > > to be reentered using the ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk v1.4 or > > > > > later. The Win98 part is fine since the problem with the hanging is > > > > > the March 1999 Trackpoint IV drivers for win98 for the 770Z 9549-8AU > > > > > somehow hangs the system from a full shutdown or full suspend. The > > > > > 5/20/99 TrackPoint Drivers fixed this which I reported back to both > Online > > > > > and telephone HelpCenter. Then as soon as I turn the machine on, it > > > > > checks the memory as part of the Power On Diagnostics (POST) and > then the > > > > > 188 error, then it will only read the floppy drive from that point. > It > > > > > will boot up the System Program BIOS Disk but I can't reflash since > I > > > > > already loaded the newest BIOS prior to that. I don't know if it > will > > > > > boot a regular DOS disk okay though. It won't go into bios setup > mode if > > > > > I hold the F1 key down since it will go directly to the 188 error. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ > __ > > > > ____ > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > > > [__ ] > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / > | > > > > __] ] > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / > | > > > > __] ] > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > vary, > > > Done on a > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 18:04:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA28700 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 18:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19193; Sun, 23 May 1999 18:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 18:02:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19008; Sun, 23 May 1999 18:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18976; Sun, 23 May 1999 18:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 18:02:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA06666; Sun, 23 May 1999 15:02:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 15:02:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: William Armstrong , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <005501bea566$77912240$23276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > That is one reason I like the video adapter. I can hook up to any TV > wherever I am. Secondly, I use it for video capture. It does a rather good > job of it. Speaking about the video adapter, what's a good place to order it >from and what's the lowest price anyone has seen? > I did ask Terry once but apparently liscensing agreements between IBM and > Mediamatics prevents IBM from releasing it on earlier systems. Hmmm, interesting because I know someone who was using DVDExpress and Terry sent him SoftDVD without any problem when the guy requested it. It's strange that Terry seems to do better support than the guys on the phone. The only person who was clueful was the person on the phone who setup my profile for the web but I don't know who it was or how to get ahold of him again. Because he was the only one who knew Access ThinkPad is incompatible with IE5 in regards to the Win98 Active Desktop Theme. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > I'm just wondering if the Video Adapter is worth buying since the > > only good feature I can think of is to connect it to someone's TV and > > audio system when they don't have a DVD player. > > > > > As for DVDExpress, I have read that it works better than SoftDVD which > came > > > with earlier versions of the 770's. I wish IBM would send us the > DVDExpress > > > as SoftDVD will not work with the latest MPEG drivers and overall > SoftDVD > > > really is lacking in features... > > > > Actually, if you request it on the Discussion Forums on the IBM > > Website for thinkpad's, Terry at IBM WorldWide Online HelpCenter will > > e-mail it to you. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > Sorry to hear about the Video Adapter. Have you bought it > separately? > > > If > > > > > so, have you used it? > > > > > > > > Haven't bought it yet since the DVDExpress with the new MPEG > > > > Drivers is working very well for video. The Audio even after the > > > > ac3rf.reg patch on the private ftp site still is choppy. It goes up > and > > > > down in volume and isn't consistent. For all other audio apps besides > > > > DVD, you can hear audio a little above 0 while with DVD Express, it > > > > doesn't start until 2. Has anyone successfully updated to DirectX 6.1 > and > > > > use DVD yet? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > > ____ > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > > [__ ] > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > > __] ] > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > > __] ] > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 7:15 PM > > > > > To: William Armstrong > > > > > Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 17 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello William, > > > > > > > > > > > Vincent, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the TENBA case, not the C434, which is a newer design. The > > > C434 is > > > > > > designed for vertical organization and shows a laptop inserted in > to > > > the > > > > > > case long side up. I can't tell from the drawing if the laptop is > in > > > it's > > > > > > own insert sleeve or not. The case I have has an insert for the > > > laptop. > > > > > > It's a little small for the 770's extra width, but otherwise is an > the > > > > > whole > > > > > > case is excellent. I especially like it for the backpack harness > that > > > I > > > > > > purchased separately. This allows me to carry my laptop on my > back to > > > > > > meetings around the city (NYC) or on trips. I am thinking about > also > > > > > > getting a dedicated backpack as I see there are now a couple of > > > companies > > > > > > that have a good backpack design that will hold the 770. I could > use > > > the > > > > > > backpack for more casual trips, etc. > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. What backpacks are you considering? > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, was it you Vincent who recently bought the 770Z from PC > > > CONNECTION? > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it was me =) > > > > > > > > > > > Did it come with the Video Adapter? > > > > > > > > > > Nope, it didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ > __ > > > ____ > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > > |[__ ] > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / > | > > > __] ] > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / > | > > > __] ] > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:21 PM > > > > > > To: Rick Floyd > > > > > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > > > Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rick, > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check > out: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about > the > > > same > > > > > > size > > > > > > > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the > TP's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED > > > well. > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback > to > > > the > > > > > > Tenba > > > > > > > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both > because it > > > has > > > > > > > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and > several > > > > > large > > > > > > > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much > > > > > everything > > > > > > > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external > > > pockets > > > > > for > > > > > > > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your > > > > > investment, > > > > > > > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? > > > Speaking > > > > > > about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was just > > > curious > > > > > > where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z in > the > > > case? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has > > > become my > > > > > > > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable > and > > > well > > > > > > > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the > 770 > > > (in a > > > > > > > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of > > > small > > > > > > > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba > > > case > > > > > > > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of > lugging > > > them > > > > > > > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until > the > > > > > first > > > > > > > time... > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a > backpack > > > > > > for school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ > __ > > > > > ____ > > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | > / > > > > > [__ ] > > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | > / | > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ > / | > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 20:21:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA29474 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23677; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 20:20:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23543; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23519; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.40 -> slip-32-100-39-40.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 20:19:58 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01bea57b$275b2e00$28276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "William Armstrong" , References: Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:19:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Maybe Bill Morrow sells them??? If not maybe he can give some pointers. Another may be onsale.com I generally don't recommend them but since they started the onsale at cost they have had pretty good prices for some items and currently offering free shipping. I just ordered a port Defcon I device from them. After reading that notebook thefts are on the rise I get nervous leaving my notebook unattended for extended periods. Don > Speaking about the video adapter, what's a good place to order it > from and what's the lowest price anyone has seen? > > > I did ask Terry once but apparently liscensing agreements between IBM and > > Mediamatics prevents IBM from releasing it on earlier systems. > > Hmmm, interesting because I know someone who was using DVDExpress > and Terry sent him SoftDVD without any problem when the guy requested it. > It's strange that Terry seems to do better support than the guys on the > phone. The only person who was clueful was the person on the phone who > setup my profile for the web but I don't know who it was or how to get > ahold of him again. Because he was the only one who knew Access ThinkPad > is incompatible with IE5 in regards to the Win98 Active Desktop Theme. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > I'm just wondering if the Video Adapter is worth buying since the > > > only good feature I can think of is to connect it to someone's TV and > > > audio system when they don't have a DVD player. > > > > > > > As for DVDExpress, I have read that it works better than SoftDVD which > > came > > > > with earlier versions of the 770's. I wish IBM would send us the > > DVDExpress > > > > as SoftDVD will not work with the latest MPEG drivers and overall > > SoftDVD > > > > really is lacking in features... > > > > > > Actually, if you request it on the Discussion Forums on the IBM > > > Website for thinkpad's, Terry at IBM WorldWide Online HelpCenter will > > > e-mail it to you. > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > [__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > Sorry to hear about the Video Adapter. Have you bought it > > separately? > > > > If > > > > > > so, have you used it? > > > > > > > > > > Haven't bought it yet since the DVDExpress with the new MPEG > > > > > Drivers is working very well for video. The Audio even after the > > > > > ac3rf.reg patch on the private ftp site still is choppy. It goes up > > and > > > > > down in volume and isn't consistent. For all other audio apps besides > > > > > DVD, you can hear audio a little above 0 while with DVD Express, it > > > > > doesn't start until 2. Has anyone successfully updated to DirectX 6.1 > > and > > > > > use DVD yet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > > > ____ > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > > > [__ ] > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > > > __] ] > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > > > __] ] > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 7:15 PM > > > > > > To: William Armstrong > > > > > > Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 17 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello William, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vincent, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the TENBA case, not the C434, which is a newer design. The > > > > C434 is > > > > > > > designed for vertical organization and shows a laptop inserted in > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > case long side up. I can't tell from the drawing if the laptop is > > in > > > > it's > > > > > > > own insert sleeve or not. The case I have has an insert for the > > > > laptop. > > > > > > > It's a little small for the 770's extra width, but otherwise is an > > the > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > case is excellent. I especially like it for the backpack harness > > that > > > > I > > > > > > > purchased separately. This allows me to carry my laptop on my > > back to > > > > > > > meetings around the city (NYC) or on trips. I am thinking about > > also > > > > > > > getting a dedicated backpack as I see there are now a couple of > > > > companies > > > > > > > that have a good backpack design that will hold the 770. I could > > use > > > > the > > > > > > > backpack for more casual trips, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. What backpacks are you considering? > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, was it you Vincent who recently bought the 770Z from PC > > > > CONNECTION? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it was me =) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did it come with the Video Adapter? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, it didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ > > __ > > > > ____ > > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > > > |[__ ] > > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / > > | > > > > __] ] > > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / > > | > > > > __] ] > > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:21 PM > > > > > > > To: Rick Floyd > > > > > > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > > > > Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rick, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, check > > out: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are about > > the > > > > same > > > > > > > size > > > > > > > > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the > > TP's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my 770ED > > > > well. > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only drawback > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > Tenba > > > > > > > > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both > > because it > > > > has > > > > > > > > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and > > several > > > > > > large > > > > > > > > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty much > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has external > > > > pockets > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking your > > > > > > investment, > > > > > > > > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? > > > > Speaking > > > > > > > about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was just > > > > curious > > > > > > > where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z in > > the > > > > case? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It has > > > > become my > > > > > > > > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, comfortable > > and > > > > well > > > > > > > > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds the > > 770 > > > > (in a > > > > > > > > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple of > > > > small > > > > > > > > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the Tenba > > > > case > > > > > > > > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of > > lugging > > > > them > > > > > > > > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't until > > the > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > time... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a > > backpack > > > > > > > for school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ > > __ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | > > / > > > > > > [__ ] > > > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | > > / | > > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ > > / | > > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 20:25:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA29537 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24186; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 20:23:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23955; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23941; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 20:23:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA07914; Sun, 23 May 1999 17:23:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:23:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: William Armstrong , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <001e01bea57b$275b2e00$28276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > Maybe Bill Morrow sells them??? If not maybe he can give some pointers. Hopefully, Bill comes to the rescue again :-) > Another may be onsale.com > I generally don't recommend them but since they started the onsale at cost > they have had pretty good prices for some items and currently offering free > shipping. I just ordered a port Defcon I device from them. After reading > that notebook thefts are on the rise I get nervous leaving my notebook > unattended for extended periods. I don't know about the Port Defcon device but I wonder how is the TravAlert Mobile Alarm by Comp-u-Lock that is in the IBM Solutions booklet that came with the 770Z. That one has a remote and smaller. As for onsale.com, are you talking about people auctioning the parts or can one actually buy from retailers there? I've only used EBay so far. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > Speaking about the video adapter, what's a good place to order it > > from and what's the lowest price anyone has seen? > > > > > I did ask Terry once but apparently liscensing agreements between IBM > and > > > Mediamatics prevents IBM from releasing it on earlier systems. > > > > Hmmm, interesting because I know someone who was using DVDExpress > > and Terry sent him SoftDVD without any problem when the guy requested it. > > It's strange that Terry seems to do better support than the guys on the > > phone. The only person who was clueful was the person on the phone who > > setup my profile for the web but I don't know who it was or how to get > > ahold of him again. Because he was the only one who knew Access ThinkPad > > is incompatible with IE5 in regards to the Win98 Active Desktop Theme. > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > I'm just wondering if the Video Adapter is worth buying since the > > > > only good feature I can think of is to connect it to someone's TV and > > > > audio system when they don't have a DVD player. > > > > > > > > > As for DVDExpress, I have read that it works better than SoftDVD > which > > > came > > > > > with earlier versions of the 770's. I wish IBM would send us the > > > DVDExpress > > > > > as SoftDVD will not work with the latest MPEG drivers and overall > > > SoftDVD > > > > > really is lacking in features... > > > > > > > > Actually, if you request it on the Discussion Forums on the IBM > > > > Website for thinkpad's, Terry at IBM WorldWide Online HelpCenter will > > > > e-mail it to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > > ____ > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > > [__ ] > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > > __] ] > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > > __] ] > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to hear about the Video Adapter. Have you bought it > > > separately? > > > > > If > > > > > > > so, have you used it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Haven't bought it yet since the DVDExpress with the new MPEG > > > > > > Drivers is working very well for video. The Audio even after the > > > > > > ac3rf.reg patch on the private ftp site still is choppy. It goes > up > > > and > > > > > > down in volume and isn't consistent. For all other audio apps > besides > > > > > > DVD, you can hear audio a little above 0 while with DVD Express, > it > > > > > > doesn't start until 2. Has anyone successfully updated to DirectX > 6.1 > > > and > > > > > > use DVD yet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ > __ > > > > > ____ > > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | > / > > > > > [__ ] > > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | > / | > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ > / | > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 7:15 PM > > > > > > > To: William Armstrong > > > > > > > Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 17 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello William, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vincent, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the TENBA case, not the C434, which is a newer design. > The > > > > > C434 is > > > > > > > > designed for vertical organization and shows a laptop inserted > in > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > case long side up. I can't tell from the drawing if the > laptop is > > > in > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > own insert sleeve or not. The case I have has an insert for > the > > > > > laptop. > > > > > > > > It's a little small for the 770's extra width, but otherwise > is an > > > the > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > case is excellent. I especially like it for the backpack > harness > > > that > > > > > I > > > > > > > > purchased separately. This allows me to carry my laptop on my > > > back to > > > > > > > > meetings around the city (NYC) or on trips. I am thinking > about > > > also > > > > > > > > getting a dedicated backpack as I see there are now a couple > of > > > > > companies > > > > > > > > that have a good backpack design that will hold the 770. I > could > > > use > > > > > the > > > > > > > > backpack for more casual trips, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. What backpacks are you considering? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, was it you Vincent who recently bought the 770Z from PC > > > > > CONNECTION? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it was me =) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did it come with the Video Adapter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, it didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET > ________ > > > __ > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / > | / > > > > > |[__ ] > > > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / > | / > > > | > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / > |/ / > > > | > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:21 PM > > > > > > > > To: Rick Floyd > > > > > > > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rick, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, > check > > > out: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are > about > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > size > > > > > > > > > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the > > > TP's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my > 770ED > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only > drawback > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Tenba > > > > > > > > > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both > > > because it > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and > > > several > > > > > > > large > > > > > > > > > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty > much > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has > external > > > > > pockets > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking > your > > > > > > > investment, > > > > > > > > > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? > > > > > Speaking > > > > > > > > about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was > just > > > > > curious > > > > > > > > where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z > in > > > the > > > > > case? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It > has > > > > > become my > > > > > > > > > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, > comfortable > > > and > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds > the > > > 770 > > > > > (in a > > > > > > > > > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple > of > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the > Tenba > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of > > > lugging > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't > until > > > the > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > time... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a > > > backpack > > > > > > > > for school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET > ________ > > > __ > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / > / | > > > / > > > > > > > [__ ] > > > > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / > | > > > / | > > > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / > / |/ > > > / | > > > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > > > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 20:39:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA29666 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25104; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 20:38:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24979; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24964; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.40 -> slip-32-100-39-40.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 20:37:58 -0400 Message-ID: <002601bea57d$aae3bf60$28276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "William Armstrong" , References: Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:37:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Well I hadn't read about the TravAlert so just checked their website. Looks pretty much the same except I still like the port solution as it has a built in cable for locking the notebook to a desk or anything esle. You can take a look at: http://www.port.com/docs/acdef1a.htm or compare it to the TravAlert at: http://www.compu-lock.com/travalert.html As for onsale. Yes they now have their own resale division called Onsale At Cost. I know people have posted poor ratings as to their auction site but haven;t read anything good or bad so far about the At Cost operation. Just browse to www.onsale.com and chose AT Cost... Don > I don't know about the Port Defcon device but I wonder how is the > TravAlert Mobile Alarm by Comp-u-Lock that is in the IBM Solutions booklet > that came with the 770Z. That one has a remote and smaller. As for > onsale.com, are you talking about people auctioning the parts or can one > actually buy from retailers there? I've only used EBay so far. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > Speaking about the video adapter, what's a good place to order it > > > from and what's the lowest price anyone has seen? > > > > > > > I did ask Terry once but apparently liscensing agreements between IBM > > and > > > > Mediamatics prevents IBM from releasing it on earlier systems. > > > > > > Hmmm, interesting because I know someone who was using DVDExpress > > > and Terry sent him SoftDVD without any problem when the guy requested it. > > > It's strange that Terry seems to do better support than the guys on the > > > phone. The only person who was clueful was the person on the phone who > > > setup my profile for the web but I don't know who it was or how to get > > > ahold of him again. Because he was the only one who knew Access ThinkPad > > > is incompatible with IE5 in regards to the Win98 Active Desktop Theme. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > [__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > I'm just wondering if the Video Adapter is worth buying since the > > > > > only good feature I can think of is to connect it to someone's TV and > > > > > audio system when they don't have a DVD player. > > > > > > > > > > > As for DVDExpress, I have read that it works better than SoftDVD > > which > > > > came > > > > > > with earlier versions of the 770's. I wish IBM would send us the > > > > DVDExpress > > > > > > as SoftDVD will not work with the latest MPEG drivers and overall > > > > SoftDVD > > > > > > really is lacking in features... > > > > > > > > > > Actually, if you request it on the Discussion Forums on the IBM > > > > > Website for thinkpad's, Terry at IBM WorldWide Online HelpCenter will > > > > > e-mail it to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > > > ____ > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > > > [__ ] > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > > > __] ] > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > > > __] ] > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to hear about the Video Adapter. Have you bought it > > > > separately? > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > so, have you used it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haven't bought it yet since the DVDExpress with the new MPEG > > > > > > > Drivers is working very well for video. The Audio even after the > > > > > > > ac3rf.reg patch on the private ftp site still is choppy. It goes > > up > > > > and > > > > > > > down in volume and isn't consistent. For all other audio apps > > besides > > > > > > > DVD, you can hear audio a little above 0 while with DVD Express, > > it > > > > > > > doesn't start until 2. Has anyone successfully updated to DirectX > > 6.1 > > > > and > > > > > > > use DVD yet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ > > __ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | > > / > > > > > > [__ ] > > > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | > > / | > > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ > > / | > > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 7:15 PM > > > > > > > > To: William Armstrong > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 17 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello William, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vincent, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the TENBA case, not the C434, which is a newer design. > > The > > > > > > C434 is > > > > > > > > > designed for vertical organization and shows a laptop inserted > > in > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > case long side up. I can't tell from the drawing if the > > laptop is > > > > in > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > own insert sleeve or not. The case I have has an insert for > > the > > > > > > laptop. > > > > > > > > > It's a little small for the 770's extra width, but otherwise > > is an > > > > the > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > case is excellent. I especially like it for the backpack > > harness > > > > that > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > purchased separately. This allows me to carry my laptop on my > > > > back to > > > > > > > > > meetings around the city (NYC) or on trips. I am thinking > > about > > > > also > > > > > > > > > getting a dedicated backpack as I see there are now a couple > > of > > > > > > companies > > > > > > > > > that have a good backpack design that will hold the 770. I > > could > > > > use > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > backpack for more casual trips, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. What backpacks are you considering? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, was it you Vincent who recently bought the 770Z from PC > > > > > > CONNECTION? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it was me =) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did it come with the Video Adapter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, it didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET > > ________ > > > > __ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / > > | / > > > > > > |[__ ] > > > > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / > > | / > > > > | > > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / > > |/ / > > > > | > > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:21 PM > > > > > > > > > To: Rick Floyd > > > > > > > > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 14 May 1999, Rick Floyd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rick, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're looking for a case that holds the larger 770s, > > check > > > > out: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.pbsource.com/cases/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is actually for PowerBooks, but the 14.1" 770s are > > about > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > size > > > > > > > > > > as the G3 14.1" PowerBook. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the shape of the PB's were different than the > > > > TP's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the Tenba c434 Access Pack and find that it fits my > > 770ED > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > much lighter (3 lbs) than the 770 Port case. The only > > drawback > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Tenba > > > > > > > > > > case is that it's thicker than I would like. This is both > > > > because it > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > enough space to hold the 770, accessories, file folders and > > > > several > > > > > > > > large > > > > > > > > > > books books, and because it's overengineered, with pretty > > much > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > padded. In addition, this bag can be expanded and has > > external > > > > > > pockets > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > things like cellphones. If you're worried about breaking > > your > > > > > > > > investment, > > > > > > > > > > or anything you carry with it, this is a good choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How much does the Tenba case cost compared to the Port? > > > > > > Speaking > > > > > > > > > about the Port 770 Deluxe case for those that have it, I was > > just > > > > > > curious > > > > > > > > > where others put each item that ships with the 9549-8AU 770Z > > in > > > > the > > > > > > case? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have the Spire Zoom backpack (www.spireusa.com). It > > has > > > > > > become my > > > > > > > > > > preferred method of Thinkpad transport. It's light, > > comfortable > > > > and > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > made. It doesn't scream "I'm a laptop! Steal me!" It holds > > the > > > > 770 > > > > > > (in a > > > > > > > > > > padded sleeve), accessories, a few file folders and a couple > > of > > > > > > small > > > > > > > > > > books. It doesn't provide the level of protection that the > > Tenba > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > provides, but I've never dropped a Thinkpad (in 5 years of > > > > lugging > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > around), so I don't regret the change. Or at least I won't > > until > > > > the > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > time... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm, this might be what I need since I already carry a > > > > backpack > > > > > > > > > for school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET > > ________ > > > > __ > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / > > / | > > > > / > > > > > > > > [__ ] > > > > > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / > > | > > > > / | > > > > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / > > / |/ > > > > / | > > > > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > > > > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 20:42:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA29723 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25582; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 20:41:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25369; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw1adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25355; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:40:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail-gw1adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (151.164.30.51 -> mail-gw1.rcsntx.swbell.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 20:40:59 -0400 Received: from p350 (ppp-209-184-83-210.hstntx.swbell.net [209.184.83.210]) by mail-gw1adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA18617; Sun, 23 May 1999 19:39:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003001bea57d$ca4b9a80$d253b8d1@p350> To: "Vincent Poy" , "Donald Mak" Cc: References: Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 19:38:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I've got news for the two of you -- this is not your private group. So why don't you two pen-pals take it off line until you have something meaningful to post. ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak Cc: Bill Morrow ; Birger Petterson ; Sent: Sunday, May 23, 1999 4:59 PM Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk > On Sun, 23 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > > Hi Don, > > > I wrote to soon earlier.. > > I do have earlier versions of the bios but not for the 770Z. The version you > > installed is the first version IBM released, hence version # 1.00. > > Hmmm, I always thought that there would be a earlier version > posted. > > > The only earlier version to that one would be the one preinstalled by IBM > > when the system is burned in after build at the factory and that would have > > never been available on the ftp site. > > Have you asked the tech's if you can somehow get that version from them? > > I did but they can't find it even doing a search. I just wish > they allowed reflashing again like how the Award Bios flasher does instead > of being stuck without the capability to reflash again. I'm not sure if > it's just me but does the IBM HelpCenter really give advice on their own > or do they basically use the KnowledgeBase which is available online since > it seems like with the Shutdown/Suspend problem with Win98, all they can > think of is that it's with the 3rd party software and other than that, to > use the recovery CD to start from scratch when the real problem was with > the TrackPoint IV Driver for Win98 which I fixed the problem on my own > when the new version of the driver was released on 5/20/99. Knwoledgebase > seems to give more ways of fixing the problem than phone support. With > regarding to my POST Error Code 188, Knowledge Base only goes: > > The IBM Knowledge Base has determined that your ThinkPad may be faulty. > Please contact the IBM HelpCenter or an authorized IBM Servicer. In order > to facilitate the repair of your system unit, we recommend that when you > have your unit serviced, by an authorized IBM Servicer, that you have your > Proof of Purchase with you to show to the servicer. Proof of Purchase > helps the servicer establish your Hardware warranty. In showing your Proof > of Purchase it will help reduce delay in getting your system serviced. > > Level 2 has personally told me that this is some minor problem > that can be fixed with either reflashing the BIOS or with the Hardware > Maintenance Disk v1.4 or later. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > Don and all.. > > > > all the files back to the TP700 and beyond WERE available on the IBM > > site, but i > > > > see that the link is no longer valid.. > > > > > > > > i suggest doing a search if you can't find the older bios's.. :-) > > > > > > Heh, under what file name though since I tried searching for the > > > past 2 days without any success. > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > [__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > Donald Mak wrote: > > > > > > > > > Vincent, > > > > > I have BIOS Version 1.27 which I can email to you. I should have an > > older > > > > > one as well, just need to dig for it. Which ver did you install? > > > > > > > > > > Also if you hold down the F1 key immediately after turning on the > > power (not > > > > > a warm boot) you should get to the setup program. Once there go under > > Config > > > > > and press Ctrl N This should give you a screen where you can enter the > > > > > system serial #. > > > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > > Not quite.... There is nothing wrong with the Data on the HD. > > > > > > It's the BIOS that has the Error Code 188 which is the serial number > > has > > > > > > to be reentered using the ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk v1.4 or > > > > > > later. The Win98 part is fine since the problem with the hanging is > > > > > > the March 1999 Trackpoint IV drivers for win98 for the 770Z 9549-8AU > > > > > > somehow hangs the system from a full shutdown or full suspend. The > > > > > > 5/20/99 TrackPoint Drivers fixed this which I reported back to both > > Online > > > > > > and telephone HelpCenter. Then as soon as I turn the machine on, it > > > > > > checks the memory as part of the Power On Diagnostics (POST) and > > then the > > > > > > 188 error, then it will only read the floppy drive from that point. > > It > > > > > > will boot up the System Program BIOS Disk but I can't reflash since > > I > > > > > > already loaded the newest BIOS prior to that. I don't know if it > > will > > > > > > boot a regular DOS disk okay though. It won't go into bios setup > > mode if > > > > > > I hold the F1 key down since it will go directly to the 188 error. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ > > __ > > > > > ____ > > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > > > > [__ ] > > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / > > | > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / > > | > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will > > vary, > > > > Done on a > > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 20:48:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA29771 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26280; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 20:47:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25976; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25963; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.103 -> pilot003.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 20:47:12 -0400 Received: from andres (port23.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.24]) by pilot003.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA47014 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:47:09 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990523204925.008b3100@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:49:25 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <003001bea57d$ca4b9a80$d253b8d1@p350> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: David, I can't agree that they haven't posted meaningful things. I've not added to their conversation, but have learned from these mails. What does it cost, to delete mail? Not much, I think. I'm subscribed to many, many lists--and when I find things I don't like I simply delete them. The conversations were clearly of a ThinkPad related nature. Had they gone off on some wild tangent, it would be different. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 07:38 PM 5/23/99 -0500, davidb@computer.org wrote: >I've got news for the two of you -- this is not your private group. So why >don't you two pen-pals take it off line until you have something meaningful >to post. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Vincent Poy >To: Donald Mak >Cc: Bill Morrow ; Birger Petterson >; >Sent: Sunday, May 23, 1999 4:59 PM >Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk ... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 20:51:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA29796 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26605; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 20:49:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26416; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26372; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.40 -> slip-32-100-39-40.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 20:49:29 -0400 Message-ID: <004e01bea57f$472095a0$28276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: , "Vincent Poy" Cc: References: <003001bea57d$ca4b9a80$d253b8d1@p350> Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:49:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I'm pretty sure that all my replies to Vincent Poy have been in response to a question or questions he has had regarding a TP. This is a TP group and I don't beleive them to be out of place as other users may benefit from these answers. Don > I've got news for the two of you -- this is not your private group. So why > don't you two pen-pals take it off line until you have something meaningful > to post. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vincent Poy > To: Donald Mak > Cc: Bill Morrow ; Birger Petterson > ; > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 1999 4:59 PM > Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk > > > > On Sun, 23 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > > > > Hi Don, > > > > > I wrote to soon earlier.. > > > I do have earlier versions of the bios but not for the 770Z. The version > you > > > installed is the first version IBM released, hence version # 1.00. > > > > Hmmm, I always thought that there would be a earlier version > > posted. > > > > > The only earlier version to that one would be the one preinstalled by > IBM > > > when the system is burned in after build at the factory and that would > have > > > never been available on the ftp site. > > > Have you asked the tech's if you can somehow get that version from them? > > > > I did but they can't find it even doing a search. I just wish > > they allowed reflashing again like how the Award Bios flasher does instead > > of being stuck without the capability to reflash again. I'm not sure if > > it's just me but does the IBM HelpCenter really give advice on their own > > or do they basically use the KnowledgeBase which is available online since > > it seems like with the Shutdown/Suspend problem with Win98, all they can > > think of is that it's with the 3rd party software and other than that, to > > use the recovery CD to start from scratch when the real problem was with > > the TrackPoint IV Driver for Win98 which I fixed the problem on my own > > when the new version of the driver was released on 5/20/99. Knwoledgebase > > seems to give more ways of fixing the problem than phone support. With > > regarding to my POST Error Code 188, Knowledge Base only goes: > > > > The IBM Knowledge Base has determined that your ThinkPad may be faulty. > > Please contact the IBM HelpCenter or an authorized IBM Servicer. In order > > to facilitate the repair of your system unit, we recommend that when you > > have your unit serviced, by an authorized IBM Servicer, that you have your > > Proof of Purchase with you to show to the servicer. Proof of Purchase > > helps the servicer establish your Hardware warranty. In showing your Proof > > of Purchase it will help reduce delay in getting your system serviced. > > > > Level 2 has personally told me that this is some minor problem > > that can be fixed with either reflashing the BIOS or with the Hardware > > Maintenance Disk v1.4 or later. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > Don and all.. > > > > > all the files back to the TP700 and beyond WERE available on the IBM > > > site, but i > > > > > see that the link is no longer valid.. > > > > > > > > > > i suggest doing a search if you can't find the older bios's.. :-) > > > > > > > > Heh, under what file name though since I tried searching for the > > > > past 2 days without any success. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > > ____ > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > > [__ ] > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > > __] ] > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > > __] ] > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > Donald Mak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Vincent, > > > > > > I have BIOS Version 1.27 which I can email to you. I should have > an > > > older > > > > > > one as well, just need to dig for it. Which ver did you install? > > > > > > > > > > > > Also if you hold down the F1 key immediately after turning on the > > > power (not > > > > > > a warm boot) you should get to the setup program. Once there go > under > > > Config > > > > > > and press Ctrl N This should give you a screen where you can enter > the > > > > > > system serial #. > > > > > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not quite.... There is nothing wrong with the Data on the HD. > > > > > > > It's the BIOS that has the Error Code 188 which is the serial > number > > > has > > > > > > > to be reentered using the ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk > v1.4 or > > > > > > > later. The Win98 part is fine since the problem with the > hanging is > > > > > > > the March 1999 Trackpoint IV drivers for win98 for the 770Z > 9549-8AU > > > > > > > somehow hangs the system from a full shutdown or full suspend. > The > > > > > > > 5/20/99 TrackPoint Drivers fixed this which I reported back to > both > > > Online > > > > > > > and telephone HelpCenter. Then as soon as I turn the machine > on, it > > > > > > > checks the memory as part of the Power On Diagnostics (POST) and > > > then the > > > > > > > 188 error, then it will only read the floppy drive from that > point. > > > It > > > > > > > will boot up the System Program BIOS Disk but I can't reflash > since > > > I > > > > > > > already loaded the newest BIOS prior to that. I don't know if > it > > > will > > > > > > > boot a regular DOS disk okay though. It won't go into bios > setup > > > mode if > > > > > > > I hold the F1 key down since it will go directly to the 188 > error. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET > ________ > > > __ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / > | / > > > > > > [__ ] > > > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / > | / > > > | > > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / > |/ / > > > | > > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage > will > > > vary, > > > > > Done on a > > > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 21:03:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA29863 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27415; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 21:02:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27276; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27263; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 21:02:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA08106; Sun, 23 May 1999 18:01:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 18:01:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: davidb@computer.org, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <004e01bea57f$472095a0$28276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: I agree with Donald that I and everyone have been posting messages related to the TP and haven't been off-topic in any way. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > I'm pretty sure that all my replies to Vincent Poy have been in response to > a question or questions he has had regarding a TP. This is a TP group and I > don't beleive them to be out of place as other users may benefit from these > answers. > > Don > > > > I've got news for the two of you -- this is not your private group. So > why > > don't you two pen-pals take it off line until you have something > meaningful > > to post. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Vincent Poy > > To: Donald Mak > > Cc: Bill Morrow ; Birger Petterson > > ; > > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 1999 4:59 PM > > Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk > > > > > > > On Sun, 23 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > > > > > > Hi Don, > > > > > > > I wrote to soon earlier.. > > > > I do have earlier versions of the bios but not for the 770Z. The > version > > you > > > > installed is the first version IBM released, hence version # 1.00. > > > > > > Hmmm, I always thought that there would be a earlier version > > > posted. > > > > > > > The only earlier version to that one would be the one preinstalled by > > IBM > > > > when the system is burned in after build at the factory and that would > > have > > > > never been available on the ftp site. > > > > Have you asked the tech's if you can somehow get that version from > them? > > > > > > I did but they can't find it even doing a search. I just wish > > > they allowed reflashing again like how the Award Bios flasher does > instead > > > of being stuck without the capability to reflash again. I'm not sure if > > > it's just me but does the IBM HelpCenter really give advice on their own > > > or do they basically use the KnowledgeBase which is available online > since > > > it seems like with the Shutdown/Suspend problem with Win98, all they can > > > think of is that it's with the 3rd party software and other than that, > to > > > use the recovery CD to start from scratch when the real problem was with > > > the TrackPoint IV Driver for Win98 which I fixed the problem on my own > > > when the new version of the driver was released on 5/20/99. > Knwoledgebase > > > seems to give more ways of fixing the problem than phone support. With > > > regarding to my POST Error Code 188, Knowledge Base only goes: > > > > > > The IBM Knowledge Base has determined that your ThinkPad may be faulty. > > > Please contact the IBM HelpCenter or an authorized IBM Servicer. In > order > > > to facilitate the repair of your system unit, we recommend that when you > > > have your unit serviced, by an authorized IBM Servicer, that you have > your > > > Proof of Purchase with you to show to the servicer. Proof of Purchase > > > helps the servicer establish your Hardware warranty. In showing your > Proof > > > of Purchase it will help reduce delay in getting your system serviced. > > > > > > Level 2 has personally told me that this is some minor problem > > > that can be fixed with either reflashing the BIOS or with the Hardware > > > Maintenance Disk v1.4 or later. > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ > > ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > [__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | > > __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | > > __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > Don and all.. > > > > > > all the files back to the TP700 and beyond WERE available on the > IBM > > > > site, but i > > > > > > see that the link is no longer valid.. > > > > > > > > > > > > i suggest doing a search if you can't find the older bios's.. :-) > > > > > > > > > > Heh, under what file name though since I tried searching for the > > > > > past 2 days without any success. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ > __ > > > > ____ > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > > > > [__ ] > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / > | > > > > __] ] > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / > | > > > > __] ] > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > Donald Mak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vincent, > > > > > > > I have BIOS Version 1.27 which I can email to you. I should have > > an > > > > older > > > > > > > one as well, just need to dig for it. Which ver did you install? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also if you hold down the F1 key immediately after turning on > the > > > > power (not > > > > > > > a warm boot) you should get to the setup program. Once there go > > under > > > > Config > > > > > > > and press Ctrl N This should give you a screen where you can > enter > > the > > > > > > > system serial #. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not quite.... There is nothing wrong with the Data on the HD. > > > > > > > > It's the BIOS that has the Error Code 188 which is the serial > > number > > > > has > > > > > > > > to be reentered using the ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk > > v1.4 or > > > > > > > > later. The Win98 part is fine since the problem with the > > hanging is > > > > > > > > the March 1999 Trackpoint IV drivers for win98 for the 770Z > > 9549-8AU > > > > > > > > somehow hangs the system from a full shutdown or full suspend. > > The > > > > > > > > 5/20/99 TrackPoint Drivers fixed this which I reported back to > > both > > > > Online > > > > > > > > and telephone HelpCenter. Then as soon as I turn the machine > > on, it > > > > > > > > checks the memory as part of the Power On Diagnostics (POST) > and > > > > then the > > > > > > > > 188 error, then it will only read the floppy drive from that > > point. > > > > It > > > > > > > > will boot up the System Program BIOS Disk but I can't reflash > > since > > > > I > > > > > > > > already loaded the newest BIOS prior to that. I don't know if > > it > > > > will > > > > > > > > boot a regular DOS disk okay though. It won't go into bios > > setup > > > > mode if > > > > > > > > I hold the F1 key down since it will go directly to the 188 > > error. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET > > ________ > > > > __ > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / > / > > | / > > > > > > > [__ ] > > > > > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / > > | / > > > > | > > > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / > / > > |/ / > > > > | > > > > > > > __] ] > > > > > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > > > > > > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > > > > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > > > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > > > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > > > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > > > > > > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > > > > > > > > > > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage > > will > > > > vary, > > > > > > Done on a > > > > > > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at > home.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 21:05:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA29879 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27833; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 21:03:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27532; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27461; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 21:03:09 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.180]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990524010259.BQVW12008@dts-jl> for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:02:59 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990523210421.00bd02c0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 21:04:21 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <003001bea57d$ca4b9a80$d253b8d1@p350> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:38 PM 5/23/99 -0500, davidb@computer.org wrote: >I've got news for the two of you -- this is not your private group. So why >don't you two pen-pals take it off line until you have something meaningful >to post. > It's looked to me like almost everything they've posted has been on-topic (ThinkPad related) and meaningful (bios repair and carrying cases). My only comment to them is a request that they please trim their quotes. Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 21:07:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA29896 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28256; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 21:06:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28045; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28028; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 21:06:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA08132; Sun, 23 May 1999 18:06:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 18:06:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Jane Loyless cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990523210421.00bd02c0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Jane Loyless wrote: > >I've got news for the two of you -- this is not your private group. So why > >don't you two pen-pals take it off line until you have something meaningful > >to post. > > It's looked to me like almost everything they've posted has been on-topic > (ThinkPad related) and meaningful (bios repair and carrying cases). My > only comment to them is a request that they please trim their quotes. Sorry Jane, I know I should've trimmed my quotes but I'm just so behind in mails for the past 2 weeks that I was replying in a hurry... Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 21:23:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA29989 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29213; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 21:21:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28971; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28948; Sun, 23 May 1999 21:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 21:21:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA08266; Sun, 23 May 1999 18:21:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 18:21:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: William Armstrong , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: <002601bea57d$aae3bf60$28276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > Well I hadn't read about the TravAlert so just checked their website. Looks > pretty much the same except I still like the port solution as it has a built > in cable for locking the notebook to a desk or anything esle. You can take a > look at: > http://www.port.com/docs/acdef1a.htm > or compare it to the TravAlert at: > http://www.compu-lock.com/travalert.html I was looking at the both of them and it seems that both have advantages of it's own. One is better for traveling, the TravAlert while the Port DefCon is better when locking it to a desk. I forgot but doesn't Targus also make one even though Port is now part of Targus? > As for onsale. Yes they now have their own resale division called Onsale At > Cost. I know people have posted poor ratings as to their auction site but > haven;t read anything good or bad so far about the At Cost operation. > Just browse to www.onsale.com and chose AT Cost... Thanks for the link. I went to Onsale At Cost and then IBM and then notebooks but how do I get to the section that sells like accessories? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 22:04:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA00352 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 22:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00882; Sun, 23 May 1999 22:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 22:02:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00724; Sun, 23 May 1999 22:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00707; Sun, 23 May 1999 22:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 22:02:45 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.19.212]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990524020242.DBZY3139@770>; Mon, 24 May 1999 02:02:42 +0000 Message-ID: <3748B33F.42E2@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:02:39 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk References: <3.0.1.32.19990523210421.00bd02c0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: 100 messages from Vincent Poy Take it off list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jane Loyless wrote: > > At 07:38 PM 5/23/99 -0500, davidb@computer.org wrote: > > >I've got news for the two of you -- this is not your private group. So why > >don't you two pen-pals take it off line until you have something meaningful > >to post. > > > > It's looked to me like almost everything they've posted has been on-topic > (ThinkPad related) and meaningful (bios repair and carrying cases). My > only comment to them is a request that they please trim their quotes. > > Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 22:05:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA00364 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 22:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01295; Sun, 23 May 1999 22:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 22:04:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01013; Sun, 23 May 1999 22:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00941; Sun, 23 May 1999 22:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 22:03:52 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.19.212]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990524020346.DCJU3139@770>; Mon, 24 May 1999 02:03:46 +0000 Message-ID: <3748B37F.4A63@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:03:43 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Jane Loyless , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: This is not the Vincent Poy list. Take your ThinkPad carrying case somewhere else! Vincent Poy wrote: > > On Sun, 23 May 1999, Jane Loyless wrote: > > > >I've got news for the two of you -- this is not your private group. So why > > >don't you two pen-pals take it off line until you have something meaningful > > >to post. > > > > It's looked to me like almost everything they've posted has been on-topic > > (ThinkPad related) and meaningful (bios repair and carrying cases). My > > only comment to them is a request that they please trim their quotes. > > Sorry Jane, I know I should've trimmed my quotes but I'm just so > behind in mails for the past 2 weeks that I was replying in a hurry... > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 23:08:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA00738 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 23:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03429; Sun, 23 May 1999 23:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 23:06:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03221; Sun, 23 May 1999 23:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hoover.Stanford.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03200; Sun, 23 May 1999 23:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hoover.Stanford.EDU (36.33.1.200 -> Hoover.Stanford.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 23:06:45 -0400 Received: from dbarklaptop.stanford.edu (unverified [171.66.165.46]) by Hoover.Stanford.EDU (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sun, 23 May 1999 20:06:43 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990523200659.00800950@hoover.stanford.edu> X-Sender: bark@hoover.stanford.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 20:06:59 -0700 To: Don Markuson From: "Dennis L. Bark" Subject: Re: Y2K BIOS Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <374627C4.DF3A524E@world.std.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19990521093429.008013b0@hoover.stanford.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I just read your message, and will try it and let you know. Thank you very much for help! DLB At 11:43 PM 5/21/99 -0400, you wrote: >"Dennis L. Bark" wrote: >> I have a 755 CE, purchased in March 1995. In July 1997 my keyboard was >> replaced by IBM. When the machine was returned, a notice accompanied the >> machine, noting that the BIOS had been upgraded as well. HOW DO I CHECK TO >> DETERMINE IF THE BIOS/755 CE is Y2K compliant? If anyone can help me, I >> thank you for your response -- D. L. Bark > >Check out IBM's Y2K readiness site: > > http://wwwyr2k.raleigh.ibm.com > >Enter your model# and it tells you which BIOSes are Y2K-ok. > >To check the date of your BIOS, I believe you power-up holding down the F1 >key, then select the SystemBoard button (at least that's how I do it on >my 755). There may be a way to get the same info via the PS2 program, but >I don't remember its myriad options off the top of my head. > >I think on the 755 that it was only very early versions of the BIOS from >1995 that had a problem. If they upgraded it in 1997, you're likely in >fine shape. > >There are also assorted Y2K-testing tools available on the Internet that >will assess your hardware and BIOS. Many are free, but of course beware >of scams. Perhaps others have some recommendations. > >..Don Markuson > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 23 23:39:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA00906 for ; Sun, 23 May 1999 23:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04594; Sun, 23 May 1999 23:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 May 1999 23:38:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04474; Sun, 23 May 1999 23:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04458; Sun, 23 May 1999 23:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (207.69.200.33 -> smtp3.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 May 1999 23:38:25 -0400 Received: from WilliamArmstrong (user-2ivea5q.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.40.186]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA25844; Sun, 23 May 1999 23:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "William Armstrong" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:39:29 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] Sent: Sunday, May 23, 1999 3:58 PM To: William Armstrong Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases On Sun, 23 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: Hi Bill and everyone, > I saw a couple of backpacks that sounded interesting. The problem is > remembering where I saw them! The most interesting one that I can find > straightaway is the TOM BIHN Big Brain Bag. It accommodates the Extra Large > Lap Dog (I did not invent these names!). Take a look at: > > http://www.tombihn.com/daypacks.html This looks pretty interesting except I wonder if you can just get the Big Brain Bag without using the Extra Large Lap Dog bag. I would guess that the Big Brain Bag does not have padded protection for a laptop. My TENBA case is like this, but the padded sleeve comes with the case. It sounds like Extra Large Lap Dog must be ordered separately. > Sorry to hear about the Video Adapter. Have you bought it separately? If > so, have you used it? Haven't bought it yet since the DVDExpress with the new MPEG Drivers is working very well for video. The Audio even after the ac3rf.reg patch on the private ftp site still is choppy. It goes up and down in volume and isn't consistent. For all other audio apps besides DVD, you can hear audio a little above 0 while with DVD Express, it doesn't start until 2. Has anyone successfully updated to DirectX 6.1 and use DVD yet? I had a strange thin happen today when I played a rented DVD. The DVD offered to install a program called PCFriendly DVD. I went along with it and it looks like the rented DVD used this program, not DVDExpress to run the movie on my laptop. -Bill Armstrong From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 01:21:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03050 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08472; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 01:18:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08291; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08252; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 01:17:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA09085; Sun, 23 May 1999 22:17:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:17:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bruce Markowitz cc: Jane Loyless , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <3748B37F.4A63@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, Bruce Markowitz wrote: This is the ThinkPad Mailing List which is the point... If you can't handle the mail volume, you shouldn't be on a mailing list in the first place. I get close to 8,000 messages per day from mailing lists I administer and those I subscribe to... 100 messages is nothing.. I don't know why you or anyone is complaining. Since this is discussion of the topic. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > This is not the Vincent Poy list. Take your ThinkPad carrying case > somewhere else! > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > On Sun, 23 May 1999, Jane Loyless wrote: > > > > > >I've got news for the two of you -- this is not your private group. So why > > > >don't you two pen-pals take it off line until you have something meaningful > > > >to post. > > > > > > It's looked to me like almost everything they've posted has been on-topic > > > (ThinkPad related) and meaningful (bios repair and carrying cases). My > > > only comment to them is a request that they please trim their quotes. > > > > Sorry Jane, I know I should've trimmed my quotes but I'm just so > > behind in mails for the past 2 weeks that I was replying in a hurry... > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 01:28:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03079 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09015; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 01:27:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08897; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08879; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 01:26:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA09133; Sun, 23 May 1999 22:26:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:26:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: William Armstrong cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: > This looks pretty interesting except I wonder if you can just get > the Big Brain Bag without using the Extra Large Lap Dog bag. > > I would guess that the Big Brain Bag does not have padded protection for a > laptop. My TENBA case is like this, but the padded sleeve comes with the > case. It sounds like Extra Large Lap Dog must be ordered separately. Yep, I guess it's like the real case is the Extra Large Lap Dog Case and then you just put it into the Big Brain Bag for protection of your ThinkPad. > > Sorry to hear about the Video Adapter. Have you bought it separately? If > > so, have you used it? > > Haven't bought it yet since the DVDExpress with the new MPEG > Drivers is working very well for video. The Audio even after the > ac3rf.reg patch on the private ftp site still is choppy. It goes up and > down in volume and isn't consistent. For all other audio apps besides > DVD, you can hear audio a little above 0 while with DVD Express, it > doesn't start until 2. Has anyone successfully updated to DirectX 6.1 and > use DVD yet? > > I had a strange thin happen today when I played a rented DVD. The DVD > offered to install a program called PCFriendly DVD. I went along with it > and it looks like the rented DVD used this program, not DVDExpress to run > the movie on my laptop. Hmmm, this is interesting. Was this a DVD Movie or a DVD Rom and which title is it? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 01:33:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03108 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09560; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 01:31:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09296; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09283; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (207.69.200.32 -> smtp2.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 01:31:52 -0400 Received: from tp760 (user-38ldi48.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.200.136]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA17178; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905240531.BAA17178@smtp2.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "davidb@computer.org" , "Donald Mak" , "Vincent Poy" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:30:35 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999 19:38:48 -0500, davidb@computer.org wrote: >I've got news for the two of you -- this is not your private group. So why >don't you two pen-pals take it off line until you have something meaningful >to post. > > David - I think you are being rude, and should think before sending such an email to the list again. -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude19 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 01:37:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03124 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09901; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 01:35:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09709; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09696; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (207.69.200.32 -> smtp2.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 01:35:37 -0400 Received: from tp760 (user-38ldi48.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.200.136]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA31021; Mon, 24 May 1999 01:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905240535.BAA31021@smtp2.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "scosgt@worldnet.att.net" , "Vincent Poy" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:34:23 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 May 1999 22:03:43 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >This is not the Vincent Poy list. Take your ThinkPad carrying case >somewhere else! > Well, this isn't the Bruce Markowitz email list either. I've been so busy, I haven't had time to catch up on email until now. I may not get as much email as Vincent, but I get over a hundred messages for each of the 2 address I use. And getting junk like your email, or unsubscribe messages, is a waste of my time, hard drive space, and I'm sure many would agree with me. Especially when you can't shorten your quotes -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude19 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 05:12:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA04284 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 05:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17277; Mon, 24 May 1999 05:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 05:09:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17116; Mon, 24 May 1999 05:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17102; Mon, 24 May 1999 05:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 05:09:46 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pC19F07C2.dip.t-online.de [193.159.7.194]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id J2GYWV6R; Mon, 24 May 1999 05:08:54 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: List "Problems" & Suggestion regarding subject line Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:09:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: To All, I would appreciate if those who consistently use the list, were left alone in doing what they so helpfully do. I have appreciated the conversation between Vincent, Bill & Co. I do not post often, simply because I prefer to listen - and I have learned a lot. If there is a problem with the volume of mail being received, I suggest getting off the list or checking out a newsgroup where you can control downloads. I do have two suggestions, however: - Please check the subject line of the topic you are discussing. Many of the posts have nothing to do with their subject line - it only takes a second to change. - Okay, as for the length of the messages... Even if the given letter has been posted that one is replying to, it is sometimes helpful that portions of the old message be retained in the reply; especially if you are new to the list. There has got to be a happy medium somewhere... Thanks Steve ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667)_______________________________________________________________________ __ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 07:19:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA04742 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29758; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 07:17:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29583; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29567; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (207.69.200.64 -> smtp4.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 07:17:43 -0400 Received: from WilliamArmstrong (user-2ivea5u.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.40.190]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA30708; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "William Armstrong" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Subject: RE: was TP Carrying Cases, now DVD play Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 07:18:53 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 1:26 AM To: William Armstrong Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP Carrying Cases On Sun, 23 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: > > Sorry to hear about the Video Adapter. Have you bought it separately? If > > so, have you used it? > > Haven't bought it yet since the DVDExpress with the new MPEG > Drivers is working very well for video. The Audio even after the > ac3rf.reg patch on the private ftp site still is choppy. It goes up and > down in volume and isn't consistent. For all other audio apps besides > DVD, you can hear audio a little above 0 while with DVD Express, it > doesn't start until 2. Has anyone successfully updated to DirectX 6.1 and > use DVD yet? > > I had a strange thin happen today when I played a rented DVD. The DVD > offered to install a program called PCFriendly DVD. I went along with it > and it looks like the rented DVD used this program, not DVDExpress to run > the movie on my laptop. Hmmm, this is interesting. Was this a DVD Movie or a DVD Rom and which title is it? A DVD movie copy of, "You've Got Mail." There were a couple of bad spots on the movie where it went into a sort of slow motion, but then I have never played a DVD that was perfect all the way through, even the one's I've bought. The DVD came from BLOCKBUSTER here in NYC. Didn't try to run DVD Express with this movie. My guess is that it would have worked, too. -Bill From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 07:33:27 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA04787 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00761; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 07:31:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00541; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00518; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:31:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 07:31:44 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (tempa48.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.48]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA22059; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905241131.HAA22059@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from tempa48.bf.sover.net [207.136.202.48] 207.136.202.48 Mon, 24 May 1999 07:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 07:27:07 -0400 To: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: >>I don't know why you or anyone is complaining. Since this is discussion of >the topic. Because after a point there is nothing new in your discussion. And when a discussion reaches such a point it sounds like two pals chit-chating instead of saying something significant -- and that becomes tiring. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 07:39:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA04823 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01433; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 07:37:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01222; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01206; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 07:37:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA10756; Mon, 24 May 1999 04:37:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 04:37:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: William Armstrong cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: was TP Carrying Cases, now DVD play In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999, William Armstrong wrote: > > I had a strange thin happen today when I played a rented DVD. The DVD > > offered to install a program called PCFriendly DVD. I went along with it > > and it looks like the rented DVD used this program, not DVDExpress to run > > the movie on my laptop. > > Hmmm, this is interesting. Was this a DVD Movie or a DVD Rom and > which title is it? > > A DVD movie copy of, "You've Got Mail." There were a couple of bad spots on > the movie where it went into a sort of slow motion, but then I have never > played a DVD that was perfect all the way through, even the one's I've > bought. The DVD came from BLOCKBUSTER here in NYC. Didn't try to run DVD > Express with this movie. My guess is that it would have worked, too. Hmmm, maybe you should try DVDExpress on it and see what happens. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 07:41:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA04834 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01846; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 07:39:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01504; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01488; Mon, 24 May 1999 07:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 07:39:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA10778; Mon, 24 May 1999 04:39:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 04:39:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: letoured@sover.net cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <199905241131.HAA22059@pike.sover.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999 letoured@sover.net wrote: > >>I don't know why you or anyone is complaining. Since this is discussion of > >the topic. > > Because after a point there is nothing new in your discussion. And when a > discussion reaches such a point it sounds like two pals chit-chating > instead of saying something significant -- and that becomes tiring. Yes, but it is still sharing information and nothing is insignificant since there is always new information to be learned. Like I'm probably the only one who ever got the Error Code 188. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 09:10:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA05325 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06406; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 09:08:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06063; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06048; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (212.126.144.6 -> scrabble.freeuk.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 09:08:34 -0400 Received: from [212.126.145.21] (helo=du-001-0021.freeuk.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10luT1-0000hy-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:08:31 +0000 From: nickdixon@bigfoot.com (Nick Dixon) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: win 98 question Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:07:42 GMT Reply-To: nickdixon@bigfoot.com Message-ID: <374b2ba4.2456322@relay.freeuk.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I have a 380XD and am planning on upgrading to Windows 98. Is there anything I should I download from IBM before I do this? Any help here would be much appreciated. Regards, Nick -- ------------------------------------------------ THE DAILY DAMON: http://www.thedailydamon.clara.net Damon Hill...news...gossip...interviews...results ------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 09:24:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA05442 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07407; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 09:23:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07177; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07164; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 09:22:58 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-113.gate.net [207.36.212.113]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA100794; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:24:28 -0400 Message-ID: <374952AB.156D70A2@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:22:51 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nickdixon@bigfoot.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: win 98 question References: <374b2ba4.2456322@relay.freeuk.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Nick.. among other replies that you'll get, the most important item, besides all the most recent drivers is to update your bios to the most recent.. also, there appears to be a document that will give you whatever hints required for updateing each thinkpad model to win98.. AND i think i may have one or two hints on my web site, which, i am now engaged in reconstructing from the ground up to make things easier to find.. lastly, there is always this list and my confrence to ask about any specific difficulty plus the CSi thinkpad forum and the IBM confrence... Nick Dixon wrote: > Hello, > > I have a 380XD and am planning on upgrading to Windows 98. Is there > anything I should I download from IBM before I do this? > > Any help here would be much appreciated. > > Regards, > > Nick > -- > ------------------------------------------------ > THE DAILY DAMON: http://www.thedailydamon.clara.net > Damon Hill...news...gossip...interviews...results > ------------------------------------------------ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 09:32:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA05549 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08599; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 09:28:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08068; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07943; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 09:27:06 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-113.gate.net [207.36.212.113]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA114676; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:27:54 -0400 Message-ID: <37495379.4FA51EBC@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:26:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: warmstrong@waldinc.com CC: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: was TP Carrying Cases, now DVD play References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hummmm... i've several DVD movies and all play perfectly on all 770's i've had.. William Armstrong wrote:**SNIP** > > > > I had a strange thin happen today when I played a rented DVD. The DVD > > offered to install a program called PCFriendly DVD. I went along with it > > and it looks like the rented DVD used this program, not DVDExpress to run > > the movie on my laptop. > > Hmmm, this is interesting. Was this a DVD Movie or a DVD Rom and > which title is it? > > A DVD movie copy of, "You've Got Mail." There were a couple of bad spots on > the movie where it went into a sort of slow motion, but then I have never > played a DVD that was perfect all the way through, even the one's I've > bought. The DVD came from BLOCKBUSTER here in NYC. Didn't try to run DVD > Express with this movie. My guess is that it would have worked, too. > > -Bill -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 09:33:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA05556 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08843; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 09:30:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08312; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08140; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 09:28:39 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-113.gate.net [207.36.212.113]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA157004; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:29:58 -0400 Message-ID: <374953F6.54975655@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:28:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steven N. Fettig" CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: List "Problems" & Suggestion regarding subject line + References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Also, where easily done, text e-mail with a working return address would be helpful.. (i know some protect their e-mail addresses with spam confusing characters) Steven N. Fettig wrote: > To All, > I would appreciate if those who consistently use the list, were left > alone in doing what they so helpfully do. I have appreciated the > conversation between Vincent, Bill & Co. I do not post often, simply > because I prefer to listen - and I have learned a lot. If there is a > problem with the volume of mail being received, I suggest getting off the > list or checking out a newsgroup where you can control downloads. > I do have two suggestions, however: > - Please check the subject line of the topic you are discussing. Many of > the posts have nothing to do with their subject line - it only takes a > second to change. > - Okay, as for the length of the messages... Even if the given letter has > been posted that one is replying to, it is sometimes helpful that portions > of the old message be retained in the reply; especially if you are new to > the list. There has got to be a happy medium somewhere... > > Thanks > Steve > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator > Hillsdale College > Hillsdale, MI > Email: > snfettig@hillsdale.edu snfettig@pensys.com > Tel: > (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 > (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 > 9667)_______________________________________________________________________ > __ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 09:45:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA05706 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10209; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 09:43:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09966; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09950; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 09:43:01 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen) by mailgate.generics.co.uk (5.0/PIPEX simple 1.26) id AA10124; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:42:04 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00866; Mon, 24 May 99 14:36:01 BST Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:43:58 +0000 To: warmstrong@waldinc.com, Bill Morrow Cc: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: was TP Carrying Cases, now DVD play Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Bill, it's a 'feature' of compressed movies that the people doing the compression have to pay particular attention to busy scenes that don't compress very well=2E A well-known scene that defeats MPG2 for example is=20= the chariot race from 'Ben Hur'=2E It's likely that the 'slow motion' effects are an artefact of the compression algorithmm or standard=2E - Adam ----------------------------- Hummmm=2E=2E=2E i've several DVD movies and all play perfectly on all 770's i've had=2E=2E William Armstrong wrote:**SNIP** > > > > I had a strange thin happen today when I played a rented DVD=2E The DVD > > offered to install a program called PCFriendly DVD=2E I went along with it=20= > > and it looks like the rented DVD used this program, not DVDExpress to run=20= > > the movie on my laptop=2E > > Hmmm, this is interesting=2E Was this a DVD Movie or a DVD Rom and=20= > which title is it? > > A DVD movie copy of, "You've Got Mail=2E" There were a couple of bad spots on=20= > the movie where it went into a sort of slow motion, but then I have never > played a DVD that was perfect all the way through, even the one's I've > bought=2E The DVD came from BLOCKBUSTER here in NYC=2E Didn't try to run DVD=20= > Express with this movie=2E My guess is that it would have worked, too=2E > > -Bill -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails=2E=2E=2E ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads=2Ecom Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads=2Ecom/enter=2Ehtml=20= e-mail: bill@thinkpads=2Ecom, penzance@icanect=2Enet 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al=2E=2E=2E Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary,=20= Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home=2E=2E ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk Harston Cambridge CB2 5NH Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 09:48:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA05739 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10674; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 09:46:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10358; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10344; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 09:46:30 -0400 Received: from richard (216-164-220-240.s240.tnt5.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.220.240]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id JAA09996 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990524094417.009a7300@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:46:56 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: noisy disk drive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: My old 4gb Travelstar drive was silent. My new 10gb Travelstar 10Gt makes a bit of noise when it is operating. It's not loud, but is noticeable. The sound is like static, or rain in the distance. Is this normal? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 11:31:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA06698 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16796; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 11:27:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16386; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16373; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (149.174.183.75 -> smtp6.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 11:27:17 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:27:07 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-10.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id LAA25076 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 11:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905241526.LAA25076@hil-img-10.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:30:05 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: noisy disk drive List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999 09:46:56 -0400, richard wrote: >My old 4gb Travelstar drive was silent. My new 10gb Travelstar 10Gt makes >a bit of noise when it is operating. It's not loud, but is noticeable. >The sound is like static, or rain in the distance. > >Is this normal? It probably is, I had (have) exactly the same experience with my 4GB and my 6GB. andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 13:02:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07700 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23507; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 12:59:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23318; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23302; Mon, 24 May 1999 12:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 12:59:47 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-113.gate.net [207.36.212.113]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA97558; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:01:05 -0400 Message-ID: <37498571.ECCC6553@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:59:29 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: noisy disk drive References: <4.1.19990524094417.009a7300@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: yes.. each drive is an individual, each model is a bit different.. richard wrote: > My old 4gb Travelstar drive was silent. My new 10gb Travelstar 10Gt makes > a bit of noise when it is operating. It's not loud, but is noticeable. > The sound is like static, or rain in the distance. > > Is this normal? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 13:14:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07808 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24763; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 13:12:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24572; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24552; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 13:12:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12244; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:12:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:12:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Nick Dixon cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: win 98 question In-Reply-To: <374b2ba4.2456322@relay.freeuk.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999, Nick Dixon wrote: Hello Nick, Go to "http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?page=IBM+ThinkPad", then "Operating System and Related Information". You will find that new drivers for your computer were released on June 24, the same day that Win 98 was also released. Win 98 is fully supported on your ThinkPad. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Hello, > > I have a 380XD and am planning on upgrading to Windows 98. Is there > anything I should I download from IBM before I do this? > > Any help here would be much appreciated. > > Regards, > > Nick > -- > ------------------------------------------------ > THE DAILY DAMON: http://www.thedailydamon.clara.net > Damon Hill...news...gossip...interviews...results > ------------------------------------------------ > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 13:24:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA07936 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25702; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 13:22:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25553; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25538; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 13:22:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12314; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:22:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:22:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Adam Quantrill cc: warmstrong@waldinc.com, Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: was TP Carrying Cases, now DVD play In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999, Adam Quantrill wrote: Adam, isn't all DVD movies compressed though since this is part of the MPEG-II Standard? > Bill, it's a 'feature' of compressed movies that the people doing the > compression have to pay particular attention to busy scenes that don't > compress very well. A well-known scene that defeats MPG2 for example is the chariot race from 'Ben Hur'. It's likely that the 'slow motion' > effects are an artefact of the compression algorithmm or standard. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 13:33:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08071 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26834; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 13:32:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26647; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26607; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (207.69.200.31 -> smtp1.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 13:31:56 -0400 Received: from tp760 (user-38ldha6.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.197.70]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA28897; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905241731.NAA28897@smtp1.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Adam Quantrill" , "Vincent Poy" Cc: "Bill Morrow" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "warmstrong@waldinc.com" Date: Mon, 24 May 99 10:30:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re[2]: was TP Carrying Cases, now DVD play List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999 10:22:19 -0700 (PDT), Vincent Poy wrote: >On Mon, 24 May 1999, Adam Quantrill wrote: > > Adam, isn't all DVD movies compressed though since this is part of >the MPEG-II Standard? > Yeah, all DVD movies better be compressed, because raw AVI files wouldn't fit in the allocated 4, 8, or 17GB on the DVD disc... That's why you need a P133 or higher and hardware MPEG 2 support to use DVD - it has to decompress the information on the fly. -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude19 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 13:40:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08181 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27784; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 13:37:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27316; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27298; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 13:37:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12401; Mon, 24 May 1999 10:37:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Paul Khoury cc: Adam Quantrill , Bill Morrow , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "warmstrong@waldinc.com" Subject: Re: Re[2]: was TP Carrying Cases, now DVD play In-Reply-To: <199905241731.NAA28897@smtp1.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999, Paul Khoury wrote: > Yeah, all DVD movies better be compressed, because raw AVI files > wouldn't fit in the allocated 4, 8, or 17GB on the DVD disc... > > That's why you need a P133 or higher and hardware MPEG 2 support to > use DVD - it has to decompress the information on the fly. Perhaps the reason Bill Armstrong had the software on the DVD rental is because some people might have a computer but without a software or even hardware MPEG-2 decoder so they just supplied it out of the courtesey. I was amazed at how well my 9549-8AU 770Z did DVD's. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 13:42:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08204 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28224; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 13:39:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27819; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27780; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (207.69.200.31 -> smtp1.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 13:39:40 -0400 Received: from tp760 (user-38ldha6.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.197.70]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04031; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905241739.NAA04031@smtp1.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Vincent Poy" Date: Mon, 24 May 99 10:38:22 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re[2]: was TP Carrying Cases, now DVD play List-Unsubscribe: > Perhaps the reason Bill Armstrong had the software on the DVD >rental is because some people might have a computer but without a software >or even hardware MPEG-2 decoder so they just supplied it out of the >courtesey. I was amazed at how well my 9549-8AU 770Z did DVD's. > I heard somewhere that you don't need a seperate MPEG 2 hardware decoder if you have a PII or higher/equivalent... -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude19 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 13:46:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08286 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29116; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 13:43:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28588; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28410; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:42:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 13:42:50 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc1a225.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.225]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA11178 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905241742.NAA11178@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc1a225.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.225] 209.198.80.225 Mon, 24 May 1999 13:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:24:55 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM Low Power Dimms X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 List-Unsubscribe: I've noticed that the 64K IBM Dimms for the TP 600 (and other machines) are listed as "Low Power" on a couple of web sites, while the modules from PNY and others do not have this designation. Is this advertising or is there something special about the IBM Dimms? --They are also cheaper then the rest too. In fact they are $135 from IBM and about $150 from everyone else. Go figure. --Does anyone have one they took out of a machine and wants to sell? _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 13:52:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08346 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29038; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 13:42:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28418; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28282; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mindspring.com (207.69.200.31 -> smtp1.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 13:42:16 -0400 Received: from tp760 (user-38ldha6.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.197.70]) by smtp1.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA21720 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905241742.NAA21720@smtp1.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 24 May 99 10:41:04 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ThinkPad Assistant List-Unsubscribe: I noticed that a lot of people are visiting my website and viewing the ThinkPad Assistant. I might do 2 things - change the site eventually, and allow anyone here to submit new pages for the new machines. I've become too busy, since I haven't updated the 755 Pentium or even 760 Pentium lists (even though I'm the proud owner of a 760ED). And I don't have many newer models, like the 310, 380, 570, 765, 770, 600, 390, i series... If anyone wants to help, please send me email to this address, or preferably to pkhoury@loop.com Thanks -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude19 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 14:10:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08574 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02047; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 14:08:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01769; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01745; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (207.172.3.234 -> smtp1.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 14:08:32 -0400 Received: from richard (209-122-227-168.s168.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.227.168]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA16350; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990524135457.0099e880@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:08:55 -0400 To: From: richard Subject: Re: IBM Low Power Dimms Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199905241742.NAA11178@pike.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:24 PM 5/24/99 -0400, you wrote: >I've noticed that the 64K IBM Dimms for the TP 600 (and other machines) >are listed as "Low Power" on a couple of web sites, while the modules from >PNY and others do not have this designation. > >Is this advertising or is there something special about the IBM Dimms? >--They are also cheaper then the rest too. In fact they are $135 from IBM >and about $150 from everyone else. Go figure. Are you referring to IBM part #20L0241? IBM's web site says "low-power consumption" and says they work in the 390/E, 570, 600, 770 and i series. Given the number of vendors who don't have a clue as to what they're selling, it wouldn't surprise me that some advertise a feature and some don't. I recently bought a 10GT drive, advertised as 12.5mm high on some sites, 17mm on others. www.shopper.com lists a bunch of sellers pricing the part at $120 - $130. SouthlandMicro sells a clone which goes for $65 - $70 (shopper web site). Crucial sells a clone for $88 (crucial web site) coastmemory sells generic versions of the part, but at different price points for different models (which makes no sense to me). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 14:21:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08716 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02959; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 14:17:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02743; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02707; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (149.174.183.73 -> smtp4.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 14:17:28 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:17:23 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id OAA03776 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905241817.OAA03776@hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:03:26 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP600 internal modem: should I change drivers? List-Unsubscribe: Now that I use the program to get real modem speeds, I see my internal modem usually gets 24000 or 26400. I believe it's rated for 33.6, this is the PII/266 w/4GB notebook. That's based only on my home line, and I have never tried another modem on it. Most of my travels currently take me to a hotel where the phone lines are terrible. There's a significant hum noticeable when using the phone for a voice call. If I do upgrade the drivers, what will happen with those bad phone lines? Should I download and apply any upgrades to this? I recall some reports of upgraded drivers that slowed down the modem! Thanks! andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 14:33:41 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08864 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04527; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 14:31:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04308; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04294; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 14:31:42 -0400 Received: from heiby.pr.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id NAA29036; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:31:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:05:46 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.32) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <13504.990524@falkor.chi.il.us> To: Jean-Pierre Diebold CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP770ED]: Using a Plextor CDRecorder In-reply-To: <4.1.19990520154854.00938830@mail.mindspring.com> References: <4.1.19990520154854.00938830@mail.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jean-Pierre, Thursday, May 20, 1999, 2:51:08 PM, you wrote: JPD> I am thinking of buying a Plextor CDRecorder (either 4/12 or 8/20) JPD> to use with my Thinkpad 770ED - 9549-5AU. I have been using the Yamaha 4x4x16 CD-RW drive with my 770ED via an Adaptec 1460A PCMCIA SCSI card. I have had no problems with anything I have tried, so far. JPD> Has anyone tried this before? If so, should I expect any problems? JPD> Keep in mind that I will be using the internal Ultrabay II DVD Drive JPD> as a source. I have done very little copying. However, I have made a couple of data CD-ROM copies from the internal DVD, mostly as a test. The copy operation seemed to work just fine. One CD-ROM had a volume label that the Adaptec software claimed was illegal. So, it would not let me use that volume label on the destination CD being created. That didn't seem to affect anything, though. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN0mG3m8pw+2/9pUJEQK/fwCdE5BHJf+ceqnJ/CjK51BjBHtvnpsAoNDI 0hg+xoB+7ExhzubjT7wlecZx =zVjT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 14:35:12 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08885 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04922; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 14:32:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04422; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04359; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 14:32:03 -0400 Received: from heiby.pr.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id NAA29041; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:31:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:57:31 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.32) S/N 514531BD / Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <19539.990524@falkor.chi.il.us> To: Vincent Poy CC: Bill Morrow , warmstrong@waldinc.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: TP Carrying Cases - Volume Control In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Vincent, Sunday, May 23, 1999, 3:20:06 PM, you wrote: VP> I always wondered why IBM never made the volume knob go up VP> to 10 like other manufacturers do for volume knobs. This is due to years of intensive scientific research into acoustics and aural biology, combined with many hours of ergonomic study and man-machine interface research. Unfortunately, much of this work is classified and the remainder is far to intensive to be understood by the lay person. However, I will try to distill and simplify this massive body of knowledge for the group. "6" is too loud. :-) Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN0mS/G8pw+2/9pUJEQLbRQCeLuzPbFedEurikA13sDFNSVBZgjAAoNxZ bG2ly2SNitWmFKpdJPF9x9dZ =z/5f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 14:50:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09061 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06406; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 14:48:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06271; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06235; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 14:48:37 -0400 Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA30873 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:48:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA15172 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:43:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: MPEG Video. Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:43:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, DVD is based on the MPEG-2 standard with some additions to handle zones, etc. Both MPEG Video and Audio is a digital lossy compression scheme. The encoder can control the amount of compression done (determines the output bit rate of the digital stream) and this controls the amount of loss. The quality of the encoder and decoder (and the software behind it) also determines the quality of the video. On DVD the output bit rate is fixed, but on digital satellite stuff you see more difference depending on how many channels of video and audio they are trying to stuff into one output stream. The MPEG video compression is finding patterns and differences between frames of the movie. If there is not much action then some of the output stream are null packets that are just filler. As the action increases it takes more and more bits to fully account for the frame. I find some encoders start dumping detail when they are railed at the output steam limit and you get colored blocks in the picture. You tend to need something like a P2 400 or 450 to do good playback of DVD. This is due to the processor having to read a millions bits per second data stream, decode the packets (undoing the various compressions) and creating a 24 bit color image that is 640x400 every 1/30th of a second as well as a sound stream at 96 kbps or so. A hardware decoder would likely have a Demux that separates the stream into video and audio streams and feeds them to separate video and audio decoders. It also syncs the two streams and allows the computer to read any control streams and information. MPEG Video decoders are generally RISC based special purpose processors running at 60 MHz or so. A somewhat simpler special purpose chip is used for audio (Crystal has a really neat (and small) chip that after you load the microcode into it you feed a mpeg audio stream in one pin and get out two analog stereo signals on other pins. Showing the random noise on TVs not receiving a TV station is other example of a difficult subject to compress as there is a lot of differences between each frame. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Vincent Poy [SMTP:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 1:22 PM To: Adam Quantrill Cc: warmstrong@waldinc.com; Bill Morrow; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: was TP Carrying Cases, now DVD play On Mon, 24 May 1999, Adam Quantrill wrote: Adam, isn't all DVD movies compressed though since this is part of the MPEG-II Standard? > Bill, it's a 'feature' of compressed movies that the people doing the > compression have to pay particular attention to busy scenes that don't > compress very well. A well-known scene that defeats MPG2 for example is the chariot race from 'Ben Hur'. It's likely that the 'slow motion' > effects are an artefact of the compression algorithmm or standard. Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 15:23:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09456 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10189; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 15:21:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09770; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snorkel.uits.indiana.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09691; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snorkel.uits.indiana.edu (129.79.6.186 -> snorkel.uits.indiana.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 15:20:52 -0400 Received: from steel1.ucs.indiana.edu (jvillaci@steel1-10.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.10.176]) by snorkel.uits.indiana.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.1IUPO) with ESMTP id OAA24835 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:20:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jvillaci@localhost) by steel1.ucs.indiana.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/1.1steel-nomail) id OAA25385; Mon, 24 May 1999 14:20:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:20:46 -0500 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_Villac=EDs?= To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: some questions on TP770x 95497AU Message-ID: <19990524142046.J10597@extreme.indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I recently joined this list and am considering purchasing a 95497AU. I plan to run Linux on it, and have a few questions regarding the unit: - is there (reasonably good) hardware support for running Linux (e.g., video/audio/mouse drivers)? any "gotchas"? - apparently this laptop has a cooling fan; how noisy do people find the fan (if at all)? how hot would it get if one were to leave it on for, say, 24/7 (weeks at a time)? - is the hard disk (8.1G) very noisy? is there APM support for the laptop in Linux (e.g., to power-down the hard drive during idle times)? - as for the screen quality, has anyone encountered an inordinate number of bad pixels? if so, what experience do you have in rectifying the situation with the reseller/manufacturer? If these questions have been asked (and answered) before, please point me to their location. Thanks! -juan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 15:41:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09652 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12068; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 15:39:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11783; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11758; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:39:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (192.232.119.69 -> kodakr.kodak.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 15:39:08 -0400 Received: from knotes.kodak.com (knotes2.kodak.com [150.221.122.53]) by kodakr.kodak.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA13076 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by knotes.kodak.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.2 (693.3 8-11-1998)) id 8525677B.006B9AD4 ; Mon, 24 May 1999 15:35:19 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: KODAK@INTERNET To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <8525677B.006B9801.00@knotes.kodak.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:44:04 -0400 Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: UNSUBSCRIBE From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 16:14:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA10022 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15362; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 16:11:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14880; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14865; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 16:11:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12988; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:11:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:11:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Paul Khoury cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Re[2]: was TP Carrying Cases, now DVD play In-Reply-To: <199905241739.NAA04031@smtp1.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999, Paul Khoury wrote: > > Perhaps the reason Bill Armstrong had the software on the DVD > >rental is because some people might have a computer but without a software > >or even hardware MPEG-2 decoder so they just supplied it out of the > >courtesey. I was amazed at how well my 9549-8AU 770Z did DVD's. > > I heard somewhere that you don't need a seperate MPEG 2 hardware decoder if > you have a PII or higher/equivalent... That's true since my ThinkPad doesn't have the hardware decoder except with the video chipset. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 16:21:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA10116 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16032; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 16:18:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15805; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15792; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 16:18:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA13023; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:18:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Andrew Webber cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: TP600 internal modem: should I change drivers? In-Reply-To: <199905241817.OAA03776@hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999, Andrew Webber wrote: Hello Andrew and Co, > Now that I use the program to get real modem speeds, I see my > internal modem usually gets 24000 or 26400. I believe it's rated > for 33.6, this is the PII/266 w/4GB notebook. That's based only on > my home line, and I have never tried another modem on it. Sometimes it's normal to get only 26400 on a 33.6k modem depending on line conditions. > Most of my travels currently take me to a hotel where the phone > lines are terrible. There's a significant hum noticeable when > using the phone for a voice call. If I do upgrade the drivers, > what will happen with those bad phone lines? It will probably improve performance or remain the same. I suggest you give it a shot and see what happens. > Should I download and apply any upgrades to this? I recall some > reports of upgraded drivers that slowed down the modem! I think you should give it a shot. Good luck! Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 16:25:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA10144 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16782; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 16:23:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16442; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16413; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 16:23:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA13049; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:21:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:21:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Ronald W. Heiby" cc: Bill Morrow , warmstrong@waldinc.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: TP Carrying Cases - Volume Control In-Reply-To: <19539.990524@falkor.chi.il.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999, Ronald W. Heiby wrote: Hello Ronald and everyone, > VP> I always wondered why IBM never made the volume knob go up > VP> to 10 like other manufacturers do for volume knobs. > > This is due to years of intensive scientific research into acoustics > and aural biology, combined with many hours of ergonomic study and > man-machine interface research. Unfortunately, much of this work is > classified and the remainder is far to intensive to be understood by > the lay person. However, I will try to distill and simplify this > massive body of knowledge for the group. > > "6" is too loud. > > :-) 6 might be too loud but what I was referring to as a audiophile/videophile is that atleast the sound should be decent. I mean even the Sony Dream Machine Clock Radio's offer better sound quality and a decent listening volume. I'm not saying that there should be a 6 since each brand of product is calibrated differently for volume levels but the sensitivity and output levels is what I'm referring to as regards to the ThinkPad. :-) Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 16:32:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA10214 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17490; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 16:30:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17221; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17208; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 16:30:42 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-113.gate.net [207.36.212.113]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA136282; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:32:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3749B6EB.7DD0112D@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:30:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: letoured@sover.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Low Power Dimms References: <199905241742.NAA11178@pike.sover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: MOST if not ALL of the better parts will be low power.. look for the "L" in the part number on the chip... some cheapo memory uses used parts or stacked parts or seconds or slower parts.. bad memory will not always fail the boot up mem test, but will crash your machine.. letoured@sover.net wrote: > I've noticed that the 64K IBM Dimms for the TP 600 (and other machines) > are listed as "Low Power" on a couple of web sites, while the modules from > PNY and others do not have this designation. > > Is this advertising or is there something special about the IBM Dimms? > --They are also cheaper then the rest too. In fact they are $135 from IBM > and about $150 from everyone else. Go figure. > > --Does anyone have one they took out of a machine and wants to sell? > > _____________ > letoured@sover.net -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 16:41:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA10345 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18569; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 16:38:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18220; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18199; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 16:38:32 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-113.gate.net [207.36.212.113]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA292762; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:40:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3749B8C2.DEBA3C19@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:38:26 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Juan Villacís" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: some questions on TP770x 95497AU References: <19990524142046.J10597@extreme.indiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id QAA18569 Juan.. Juan Villac=EDs wrote: > Hi, > > I recently joined this list and am considering purchasing > a 95497AU. I plan to run Linux on it, and have a few > questions regarding the unit: > > - is there (reasonably good) hardware support for running > Linux (e.g., video/audio/mouse drivers)? any "gotchas"? > some support, gotcha's depend upon WHICH linux will be running..no linux DVD support that i know of.. yet.. > - apparently this laptop has a cooling fan; how noisy > do people find the fan (if at all)? how hot would it > get if one were to leave it on for, say, 24/7 (weeks > at a time)? > IMO you barely know its there.. > - is the hard disk (8.1G) very noisy? no.. > is there APM support for the laptop in Linux (e.g., to power-down > the hard drive during idle times)? > not sure..IBM is supposed to be supporting Linux now or soon.. > - as for the screen quality, has anyone encountered an > inordinate number of bad pixels? if so, what experience > do you have in rectifying the situation with the > reseller/manufacturer? > the SXGA display is phenonomal..!i've not seen more that 1 or 2 bad pixels on a 770X i got from IBM... generally, the pixel problem is fading away.. AND, if you get 1 bad pixel, you'll loose it in thet great display.. IBM will swap a display if the are about 20 bad pixels and in my experience, they'll do it if there are fewer bad pixels.. > If these questions have been asked (and answered) before, > please point me to their location. Thanks! > > -juan -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 18:22:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11219 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24851; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:20:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24708; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24675; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.179 -> slip-32-100-39-179.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:19:58 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01bea634$d2a82e20$b3276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" , "Ronald W. Heiby" Cc: "Bill Morrow" , , References: Subject: Re: Re[2]: TP Carrying Cases - Volume Control Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:28:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: It's important to remember that the TP's only have 1 watt speakers. Overall for 1 watt they sound pretty good. > 6 might be too loud but what I was referring to as a > audiophile/videophile is that atleast the sound should be decent. I mean > even the Sony Dream Machine Clock Radio's offer better sound quality and a > decent listening volume. I'm not saying that there should be a 6 since > each brand of product is calibrated differently for volume levels but the > sensitivity and output levels is what I'm referring to as regards to the > ThinkPad. :-) > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 18:28:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11277 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26380; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:25:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25790; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25616; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:24:47 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.17.95]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990524222437.GXZE1178@770>; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:24:37 +0000 Message-ID: <3749D1A2.6844@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:24:34 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Jane Loyless , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: THIS IS A MAILING LIST., YOU ARE HOLDING NUMEROUS PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS. I DON'T WANT OR NEED 8000 MESSAGES A DAY. TAKE IT OFF LIST UNLESS IT IS INTENDED FOR ALL LIST MEMBERS. Vincent Poy wrote: > > On Sun, 23 May 1999, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > This is the ThinkPad Mailing List which is the point... If you > can't handle the mail volume, you shouldn't be on a mailing list in the > first place. I get close to 8,000 messages per day from mailing lists I > administer and those I subscribe to... 100 messages is nothing.. I don't > know why you or anyone is complaining. Since this is discussion of the > topic. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > This is not the Vincent Poy list. Take your ThinkPad carrying case > > somewhere else! > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 23 May 1999, Jane Loyless wrote: > > > > > > > >I've got news for the two of you -- this is not your private group. So why > > > > >don't you two pen-pals take it off line until you have something meaningful > > > > >to post. > > > > > > > > It's looked to me like almost everything they've posted has been on-topic > > > > (ThinkPad related) and meaningful (bios repair and carrying cases). My > > > > only comment to them is a request that they please trim their quotes. > > > > > > Sorry Jane, I know I should've trimmed my quotes but I'm just so > > > behind in mails for the past 2 weeks that I was replying in a hurry... > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 18:29:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11287 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25769; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:24:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25430; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25270; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.179 -> slip-32-100-39-179.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:23:26 -0400 Message-ID: <003001bea635$4e91ad40$b3276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" , "Vincent Poy" References: <199905241739.NAA04031@smtp1.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: was TP Carrying Cases, now DVD play Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:32:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Actually I read recently that for good playback without a hardware decoder the minimum is a PII 300 or better. I can vouch that on a PII 266 software only is not very good. Don > I heard somewhere that you don't need a seperate MPEG 2 hardware decoder if > you have a PII or higher/equivalent... > > -- > Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude19 > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 18:29:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11292 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26397; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:25:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25828; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25752; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:25:22 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.17.95]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990524222518.GYGU1178@770>; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:25:18 +0000 Message-ID: <3749D1CB.653E@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:25:15 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: "davidb@computer.org" , Donald Mak , Vincent Poy , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk References: <199905240531.BAA17178@smtp2.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: He is not being rude., He is right! Paul Khoury wrote: > > On Sun, 23 May 1999 19:38:48 -0500, davidb@computer.org wrote: > > >I've got news for the two of you -- this is not your private group. So why > >don't you two pen-pals take it off line until you have something meaningful > >to post. > > > > > David - I think you are being rude, and should think before sending such an email to the list again. > > -- > Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude19 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 18:31:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11304 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26963; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:28:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26409; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26288; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:27:52 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.17.95]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990524222748.GZDU1178@770>; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:27:48 +0000 Message-ID: <3749D261.5C4D@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:27:45 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: letoured@sover.net CC: Vincent Poy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk References: <199905241131.HAA22059@pike.sover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: AMEN letoured@sover.net wrote: > > >>I don't know why you or anyone is complaining. Since this is discussion of > >the topic. > > Because after a point there is nothing new in your discussion. And when a > discussion reaches such a point it sounds like two pals chit-chating > instead of saying something significant -- and that becomes tiring. > > _____________ > letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 18:33:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11325 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27508; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:32:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27231; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27202; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:32:00 -0400 Received: from posterchild1.tiac.net (posterchild1.tiac.net [199.0.65.72]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01387; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:31:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by posterchild1.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA09639; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:31:56 GMT Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:27:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Vincent Poy'" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: MPEG Video. Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:27:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I was talking about DVD Video. Some parts of the world use MPEG audio tracks (called Musicam) but the US tends to use Dolby Digital 5.1. Some DVD movies have both types of audio. MPEG Audio (Layer 1, 2, or 3) is lossy. They break the audio into frequency bands and use a physioacoustic model of human ear to eliminate portions. For example if you have two frequencies close in frequency and one is above a certain level louder than the other one then the human ear tends to mask out the softer one. BTW MP3 files are MPEG Layer 3. The bit rate I am refering to is how fast the bits are outputed per second on the mpeg data stream. On Desktops all Celerons and only Pentiums below 350 MHz have a 66 MHz bus speed. Mobile Pentiums may be different. Intel has the info on their website. I have not tried it out yet but I have a new video card that can do some elements of MPEG video decoding. This would make it easier if the video driver supports it and the DVD player knows how to use it. The more the video card can do the slower the CPU can be. I think the best solution for DVD Video on a Thinkpad is to go with the MPEG-2 Hardware Decoder. When I upgrade I would rather use the DVD drive for DVD-ROM and DVD-RAM stuff. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Vincent Poy [SMTP:vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM] Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 4:38 PM To: Cottrell, Eric Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: MPEG Video. Just to not confuse people. There are 5 different DVD standards. DVD Video is the one that is for Video while there will be DVD Audio which is 5.1 channels at 24bit 192kHz sampling available later. DVD-ROM is what's used on computers such as the ThinkPad and DVD-RAM is the write once DVD for computers and then there is DVD-RW which is DVD-RAM that's rewriteable like CD-RW except for DVD. MPEG Video uses compression. The MPEG Audio is not digital lossy yet since that's only for the new DVD Audio Format from Meridian to do 24bit at 192kHz sampling. I know the Audio uses some form of compression, probably close to MPEG-I Level III. The bit rate is fixed at 8bit I think. However, many of the high-end DVD players do 10bit. Speaking about Pentium II processors, how much of a performance difference is there between the ones used in the ThinkPad compared to the Celeron and the actual Pentium II used in desktops like the 366Mhz PII ThinkPad for example since I noticed the bus for the TP is still 66Mhz From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 18:37:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11352 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28139; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:35:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27855; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27815; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:35:30 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.17.95]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990524223526.HCCC1178@770>; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:35:26 +0000 Message-ID: <3749D42B.5F46@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:35:23 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Mak CC: Paul Khoury , ThinkPad List , Vincent Poy Subject: Re: was TP Carrying Cases, now DVD play References: <199905241739.NAA04031@smtp1.mindspring.com> <003001bea635$4e91ad40$b3276420@thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The IBM 770ED works perfectly with the Margi PCMCIA decoder. In fact, I use it instead of the built in board. onald Mak wrote: > > Actually I read recently that for good playback without a hardware decoder > the minimum is a PII 300 or better. I can vouch that on a PII 266 software > only is not very good. > > Don > > > I heard somewhere that you don't need a seperate MPEG 2 hardware decoder > if > > you have a PII or higher/equivalent... > > > > -- > > Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com > > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > > AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude19 > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 18:52:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11448 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29291; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:50:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29033; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29013; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:50:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA09313; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:49:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:49:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: jferrell@kodak.com cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE In-Reply-To: <8525677B.006B9801.00@knotes.kodak.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Instructions to unsubscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Have a good day... Bruce Komar From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 18:52:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11454 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29590; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:50:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29209; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29078; Mon, 24 May 1999 18:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.179 -> slip-32-100-39-179.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 18:50:22 -0400 Message-ID: <00b001bea639$11c32160$b3276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: Subject: Lightware Projector and 770 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:59:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AD_01BEA617.85F16140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01BEA617.85F16140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am having problems displaying to a projector and on LCD display = simultaneously. It will only display on the projector with video set to = external display only. When I switch to both LCD and external display it = flashes on the projector for a second then disappears.=20 I have tried at both 1024x768 and 800x600 without success. Any ideas???=20 Don ------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01BEA617.85F16140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am having problems displaying to a projector and on LCD display=20 simultaneously. It will only display on the projector with video set to = external=20 display only. When I switch to both LCD and external display it flashes = on the=20 projector for a second then disappears.

I have tried at both 1024x768 and 800x600 without success.

Any ideas???

Don

------=_NextPart_000_00AD_01BEA617.85F16140-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 19:17:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11672 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01295; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 19:15:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01065; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01052; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 19:15:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13716; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:15:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:15:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bruce Markowitz cc: Jane Loyless , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <3749D1A2.6844@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999, Bruce Markowitz wrote: Number one, when was it private conversations? Show me one mail that is considered even private. They all relate to ThinkPad Discussion. And Number Two, posting to the list with CAPS on is considered RUDE even before there was the Internet. And #3, I suggest you get a clue about how mailing lists work and what is considered appropriate and what isn't. There have been numerous unsubscribe messages and you don't complain. and your one line or one word even replies are considered a no-no when you have 98% quoted text. And where did I say I send 8000 messages to the list? Obviously, you just need some clue juice. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > THIS IS A MAILING LIST., YOU ARE HOLDING NUMEROUS PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS. > I DON'T WANT OR NEED 8000 MESSAGES A DAY. TAKE IT OFF LIST UNLESS IT IS > INTENDED FOR ALL LIST MEMBERS. > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > On Sun, 23 May 1999, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > > This is the ThinkPad Mailing List which is the point... If you > > can't handle the mail volume, you shouldn't be on a mailing list in the > > first place. I get close to 8,000 messages per day from mailing lists I > > administer and those I subscribe to... 100 messages is nothing.. I don't > > know why you or anyone is complaining. Since this is discussion of the > > topic. > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > This is not the Vincent Poy list. Take your ThinkPad carrying case > > > somewhere else! > > > > > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, 23 May 1999, Jane Loyless wrote: > > > > > > > > > >I've got news for the two of you -- this is not your private group. So why > > > > > >don't you two pen-pals take it off line until you have something meaningful > > > > > >to post. > > > > > > > > > > It's looked to me like almost everything they've posted has been on-topic > > > > > (ThinkPad related) and meaningful (bios repair and carrying cases). My > > > > > only comment to them is a request that they please trim their quotes. > > > > > > > > Sorry Jane, I know I should've trimmed my quotes but I'm just so > > > > behind in mails for the past 2 weeks that I was replying in a hurry... > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 19:28:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11747 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00807; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 19:27:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00572; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00558; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 19:26:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13775; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?Juan_Villac=EDs?= , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: some questions on TP770x 95497AU In-Reply-To: <3749B8C2.DEBA3C19@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Hi Bill and Juan, > > I recently joined this list and am considering purchasing > > a 95497AU. I plan to run Linux on it, and have a few > > questions regarding the unit: > > > > - is there (reasonably good) hardware support for running > > Linux (e.g., video/audio/mouse drivers)? any "gotchas"? > > some support, gotcha's depend upon WHICH linux will be running..no linux > DVD support that i know of.. > yet.. Probably the best one to go with is RedHat or Debian. > > - apparently this laptop has a cooling fan; how noisy > > do people find the fan (if at all)? how hot would it > > get if one were to leave it on for, say, 24/7 (weeks > > at a time)? > > > > IMO you barely know its there.. Yep, IBM Hard Drives are really quiet compared to the other brands. > > - is the hard disk (8.1G) very noisy? > > no.. > > > is there APM support for the laptop in Linux (e.g., to power-down > > the hard drive during idle times)? > > not sure..IBM is supposed to be supporting Linux now or soon.. I think APM is supported. > > - as for the screen quality, has anyone encountered an > > inordinate number of bad pixels? if so, what experience > > do you have in rectifying the situation with the > > reseller/manufacturer? > > the SXGA display is phenonomal..!i've not seen more that 1 or 2 bad > pixels on a 770X i got from IBM... > generally, the pixel problem is fading away.. > AND, if you get 1 bad pixel, you'll loose it in thet great display.. How can one even see one bad pixel or any bad pixel for that matter? > IBM will swap a display if the are about 20 bad pixels and in my > experience, they'll do it if there are fewer bad pixels.. > > > If these questions have been asked (and answered) before, > > please point me to their location. Thanks! Also, here is some additional info for the 770X/770Z under Linux/FreeBSD: So far it hasn't been painful getting this thing going (not that its been smooth either). You need the memory hack for FreeBSD: options "MAXMEM=(127*1024)" This reduces the amount of memory used by the kernel by 640 or more (the 770X has 128MB). Someone else's theory was that IBM is mapping the lower 640k to the top of extended memory so running into this memory has dire consequences. Whatever the reason, if you don't do this, the system locks up very frequently. The APM seems to be working. I haven't seen any problem so far suspending and resuming although it doesn't seem to suspend with the ethernet card inserted (ep0) which might be a good feature. My last laptop, a 385ED often hung trying to resume if that card was in. The video chipset reports to be a Trident 939a which the XFree86 SVGA driver doesn't know about. After declaring the chipset to be a 9397 in XF86Config X runs fine. The XF86Config file was based on one found at http://www.bm-soft.com/~bm/tp770x.html. I'll provide the one I used to anyone that wants it. The sound chip looks to be supported. The Linux users claim to have it working as a Crystal 4236 (4237?) but the FreeBSD sound driver doesn't find it. Everything seems to be fine except wavelan and the sound support. A bit heavier and bulkier (a lot) than the 385ED I used to have but 1280x1024 is more than enough reason for me to prefer the 770. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 19:35:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11787 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01547; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 19:33:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01299; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01285; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 19:33:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13831; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:33:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:33:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Cottrell, Eric" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: MPEG Video. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999, Cottrell, Eric wrote: Hello Eric, > I was talking about DVD Video. Some parts of the world use MPEG > audio tracks (called Musicam) but the US tends to use Dolby Digital 5.1. > Some DVD movies have both types of audio. I think only in Europe do they use Musicam which is known as MPEG 5.1 Audio. My home audio gear Proceed AVP Pre-Amp seems to support that format as well but I know the ThinkPad doesn't since they only support Dolby 5.1. > MPEG Audio (Layer 1, 2, or 3) is lossy. They break the audio into > frequency bands and use a physioacoustic model of human ear to eliminate > portions. > For example if you have two frequencies close in frequency and one is > above a certain level louder than the other one then the human ear tends > to mask out the softer one. BTW MP3 files are MPEG Layer 3. > The bit rate I am refering to is how fast the bits are outputed per > second on the mpeg data stream. I know, I wonder what the fastest bit rate the ThinkPad's can process with the software and the hardware option. > On Desktops all Celerons and only Pentiums below 350 MHz have a 66 MHz > bus speed. Mobile Pentiums may be different. Intel has the info on > their website. Besides the bus speed, I think the Mobile processors are still slower than the Desktop equivelents. > I have not tried it out yet but I have a new video card that can do > some elements of MPEG video decoding. This would make it easier if > the video driver supports it and the DVD player knows how to use it. > The more the video card can do the slower the CPU can be. I wonder like for the case of the ThinkPad where there is pretty good hardware DVD as part of the Trident CyberDVD chipset for Video, what does the Enhanced DVD Video Adapter really do in terms of performance or load balancing. > I think the best solution for DVD Video on a Thinkpad is to go with the > MPEG-2 Hardware Decoder. > When I upgrade I would rather use the DVD drive for DVD-ROM and DVD-RAM > stuff. That's true but from the specs, it seems there is hardware DVD as part of the Trident CyberDVD Video chipset already. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 20:05:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA11993 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03819; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 20:04:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03658; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03617; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 20:03:22 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-223-241.usc.edu [128.125.223.241]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA08875; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990524165929.029eeaa0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:02:31 -0700 To: "Donald Mak" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Lightware Projector and 770 In-Reply-To: <00b001bea639$11c32160$b3276420@thinkpad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:59 PM 5/24/99 -0400, you wrote: > > I am having problems displaying to a projector and on LCD display > simultaneously. It will only display on the projector with video set to > external display only. When I switch to both LCD and external display it > flashes on the projector for a second then disappears. > > I have tried at both 1024x768 and 800x600 without success. Get a better projector. :-) Actually, I'm not kidding. There's a problem with these darn Thinkpads that even if you have it set to a lower resolution, if you're doing simultaneous display, it sends the screen's resolution signal through the video out port. That means your Lightware projector is choking on the 1024x768 signal that your ThinkPad is feeding it when in simultaneous display mode (even if you have your TP set to 800x600). I figured this one out some time back and it was a major factor in my recent projector purchase--had to make *certain* that the projector could handle an XGA signal, since that's what my TP was going to feed it if I was in simultaneous mode. Why do the TP's do this? I don't know, but for those of us who hook up to data projectors, its quite angering. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 20:13:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12055 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01891; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 19:20:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01645; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01587; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 19:20:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13742; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:19:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:19:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: "Ronald W. Heiby" , Bill Morrow , warmstrong@waldinc.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: TP Carrying Cases - Volume Control In-Reply-To: <001e01bea634$d2a82e20$b3276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > It's important to remember that the TP's only have 1 watt speakers. Overall > for 1 watt they sound pretty good. Yeah, but still, the Crystal Semiconductor is considered to be a high-end Digital/Analogue Converter and I mean 8 watts can already put someone's hearing to death so 1 watt is supposed to be pretty loud. Watts are not accurate for measuring audio since it's the current in amperage that matters. That's why most mass market receivers with 200 wats can't beat a high-current 20 watt amp. I'm just saying it's weird that my 385ED which costs 1/3 less than the 770Z has better audio quality output. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 20:16:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12076 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04845; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 20:15:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04547; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04522; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.actionwebs.net (208.244.215.3 -> dns1.actionwebs.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 20:15:13 -0400 Received: from hades ([208.244.215.242]) by ares.actionwebs.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA18586; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 24 May 1999 19:22:42 -0500 Message-ID: <01BEA61A.CB5A3600.mlemon@hickseq.com> From: Mark Lemon Reply-To: "mlemon@hickseq.com" To: "'nickdixon@bigfoot.com'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: win 98 question Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:22:41 -0500 Organization: Hicks Equipment, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Nick, Been their, done that. Take the time to register at the IBM site, and follow all the links pertaining to your TP. Print out all the pages including the .txt help files (sometimes the same, sometimes different) put them in a binder; download the upgrades, copy them to diskette, label the disks with version number, dates, etc. It will take you several hours, but will make the experience much more comfortable. Good luck, Mark I have a 380XD and am planning on upgrading to Windows 98. Is there anything I should I download from IBM before I do this? Nick From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 20:26:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12126 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05669; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 20:24:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05457; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05435; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.71 -> slip-32-100-39-71.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 20:24:21 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bea646$330d8c40$47276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" References: <4.1.19990524165929.029eeaa0@rcf.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Lightware Projector and 770 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:33:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I'll have to check the specs but I think the projector is rated for SVGA. I do remember when you were looking for a projector some posts regarding this problem. Did you ever figure out if it's some TP specific limitation or the video chipset? Many laptops used the trident chipset such as Dell and gateway. Do they suffer the same limitation? Don > Get a better projector. :-) > > Actually, I'm not kidding. > > There's a problem with these darn Thinkpads that even if you have > it set > to a lower resolution, if you're doing simultaneous display, it sends the > screen's resolution signal through the video out port. > > That means your Lightware projector is choking on the 1024x768 signal > that your ThinkPad is feeding it when in simultaneous display mode (even if you > have your TP set to 800x600). > > I figured this one out some time back and it was a major factor in my > recent projector purchase--had to make *certain* that the projector could > handle an XGA signal, since that's what my TP was going to feed it if I was in > simultaneous mode. > > Why do the TP's do this? I don't know, but for those of us who hook up > to data projectors, its quite angering. > > - Randy Whittle > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 20:33:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12191 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06766; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 20:30:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06179; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06152; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 20:30:40 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.18.56]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990525003037.EHVU10836@770> for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 00:30:37 +0000 Message-ID: <3749EF2B.4946@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:30:35 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Warranty on Docking options? References: <199905241739.NAA04031@smtp1.mindspring.com> <003001bea635$4e91ad40$b3276420@thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I had the docking plug on a SelectaBase 1 go bad. Anyone know how to get warranty service on one of these? I called EASYSERV one time on a 755 TV tuner, and got a real run-around because it was an "options", rather than a direct IBM product. Donald Mak wrote: > > Actually I read recently that for good playback without a hardware decoder > the minimum is a PII 300 or better. I can vouch that on a PII 266 software > only is not very good. > > Don > > > I heard somewhere that you don't need a seperate MPEG 2 hardware decoder > if > > you have a PII or higher/equivalent... > > > > -- > > Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com > > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > > AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude19 > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 20:34:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12197 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06775; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 20:30:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06177; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06146; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.71 -> slip-32-100-39-71.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 20:30:35 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01bea647$11e59520$47276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: Cc: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" , "Vincent Poy" References: <199905241739.NAA04031@smtp1.mindspring.com> <003001bea635$4e91ad40$b3276420@thinkpad> <3749D42B.5F46@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: was TP Carrying Cases, now DVD play Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:39:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: From: Bruce Markowitz > The IBM 770ED works perfectly with the Margi PCMCIA decoder. In fact, I > use it instead of the built in board. Do you find the Margi a better quality solution? It seems more a hassle to use a PCMCIA card if internal is available. Don From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 20:50:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12308 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08025; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 20:48:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07866; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07850; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.38 -> mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 20:48:17 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.18.56]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990525004814.BQJN14123@770>; Tue, 25 May 1999 00:48:14 +0000 Message-ID: <3749F34A.57DB@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:48:10 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Mak CC: Paul Khoury , ThinkPad List , Vincent Poy Subject: Re: was TP Carrying Cases, now DVD play References: <199905241739.NAA04031@smtp1.mindspring.com> <003001bea635$4e91ad40$b3276420@thinkpad> <3749D42B.5F46@worldnet.att.net> <001c01bea647$11e59520$47276420@thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: It gives the added feature of brightness/saturation controls, something sadly lacking on the IBM player! Donald Mak wrote: > > From: Bruce Markowitz > > > The IBM 770ED works perfectly with the Margi PCMCIA decoder. In fact, I > > use it instead of the built in board. > > Do you find the Margi a better quality solution? > It seems more a hassle to use a PCMCIA card if internal is available. > > Don From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 22:43:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA12958 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12550; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 22:41:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12374; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12347; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (207.69.200.30 -> smtp0.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 22:41:45 -0400 Received: from thinkpad1721i (user-37kagip.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.66.89]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA13844; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00f701bea657$fb663e60$594245cf@thinkpad1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: "Donald Mak" , References: <001c01bea4d8$88f98e20$cc276420@thinkpad> Subject: Re: V90 upgrade Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:40:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F4_01BEA62E.1183A860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01BEA62E.1183A860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don, Could you post the URL for this driver? Thanks, Chuck ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Donald Mak=20 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu=20 Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 11:55 PM Subject: V90 upgrade Well I have tried the newest V90 drivers (dated 5-21) and don't see = any difference.=20 As I have written before I still get 51K in the office (no complaints = there) and at home 40k or 28K depending on which line I'm using. (The = down side is that the second line I had put in for the computer is the = one that only connects at 28K.) What I still can't figure out is why does one line connect at 40 and = the second at 28K since they both come off of one cat5 cable. When I = call the USR V90 test line it says that V90 is probably not possible due = to a double analog to digital conversion somewhere along the line. Yet = if that where true then I shouldn't get V90 on the first line eighter... Well, I stop rambling here...just another puzzle for me.... Don ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01BEA62E.1183A860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Don,
 
Could you post the URL for this driver?
 
Thanks,
Chuck
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Donald Mak =
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 = 11:55=20 PM
Subject: V90 upgrade

Well I have tried the newest V90 = drivers (dated=20 5-21) and don't see any difference.
As I have written before I = still get=20 51K in the office (no complaints there) and at home 40k or 28K = depending on=20 which line I'm using. (The down side is that the second line I had put = in for=20 the computer is the one that only connects at 28K.)
What I still can't figure out is why = does one=20 line connect at 40 and the second at 28K since they both come off of = one cat5=20 cable. When I call the USR V90 test line it says that V90 is probably = not=20 possible due to a double analog to digital conversion somewhere along = the=20 line. Yet if that where true then I shouldn't get V90 on the first = line=20 eighter...
 
Well, I stop rambling here...just = another puzzle=20 for me....
 
Don
------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01BEA62E.1183A860-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 22:59:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA13097 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13235; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 22:58:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13129; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13115; Mon, 24 May 1999 22:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.66 -> slip-32-100-39-66.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 22:58:36 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bea65b$be624aa0$42276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Chuck S." , References: <001c01bea4d8$88f98e20$cc276420@thinkpad> <00f701bea657$fb663e60$594245cf@thinkpad1721i> Subject: Re: V90 upgrade Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:07:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BEA63A.33725F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BEA63A.33725F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Supported Modem Country Phase=20 - ThinkPad 600 1.5=20 - ThinkPad 770 1.6=20 - ThinkPad 770ED 1.6=20 - ThinkPad 600E 2.1=20 - ThinkPad 770X 2.1=20 - ThinkPad 770Z 2.1=20 =20 DOWNLOAD FILE SECTION:=20 To download the actual V.90 upgrade, use the links below.=20 ACP90R2.EXE 3.19 meg=20 ACP90R2.TXT 9.2 k=20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chuck S.=20 To: Donald Mak ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu=20 Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 10:40 PM Subject: Re: V90 upgrade Don, Could you post the URL for this driver? Thanks, Chuck ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Donald Mak=20 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu=20 Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 11:55 PM Subject: V90 upgrade Well I have tried the newest V90 drivers (dated 5-21) and don't see = any difference.=20 As I have written before I still get 51K in the office (no = complaints there) and at home 40k or 28K depending on which line I'm = using. (The down side is that the second line I had put in for the = computer is the one that only connects at 28K.) What I still can't figure out is why does one line connect at 40 and = the second at 28K since they both come off of one cat5 cable. When I = call the USR V90 test line it says that V90 is probably not possible due = to a double analog to digital conversion somewhere along the line. Yet = if that where true then I shouldn't get V90 on the first line eighter... Well, I stop rambling here...just another puzzle for me.... Don ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BEA63A.33725F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Supported Modem = Country Phase=20
- ThinkPad 600 1.5
- ThinkPad 770 1.6
- ThinkPad = 770ED=20 1.6
- ThinkPad 600E 2.1
- ThinkPad 770X 2.1
- ThinkPad 770Z = 2.1=20
 
DOWNLOAD FILE SECTION: =
To=20 download the actual V.90 upgrade, use the links below.
ACP90R2.EXE = 3.19=20 meg
ACP90R2.TXT = 9.2=20 k 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chuck=20 S.
Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 = 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: V90 upgrade

Don,
 
Could you post the URL for this = driver?
 
Thanks,
Chuck
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Donald = Mak
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 = 11:55=20 PM
Subject: V90 upgrade

Well I have tried the newest V90 = drivers (dated=20 5-21) and don't see any difference.
As I have written before I = still get=20 51K in the office (no complaints there) and at home 40k or 28K = depending on=20 which line I'm using. (The down side is that the second line I had = put in=20 for the computer is the one that only connects at 28K.)
What I still can't figure out is = why does one=20 line connect at 40 and the second at 28K since they both come off of = one=20 cat5 cable. When I call the USR V90 test line it says that V90 is = probably=20 not possible due to a double analog to digital conversion somewhere = along=20 the line. Yet if that where true then I shouldn't get V90 on the = first line=20 eighter...
 
Well, I stop rambling here...just = another=20 puzzle for me....
 
Don
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BEA63A.33725F00-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 23:19:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13228 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14520; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 23:18:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14383; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14370; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:18:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.7 -> imo17.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 23:18:35 -0400 Received: from Darryl1224@aol.com (8039) by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id oDAYa02603 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4d3c2cfa.247b705b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:17:47 EDT Subject: Thinkpad 701C-memory installation problem To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 15 List-Unsubscribe: Greetings! I am new to the Thinkpad list and forum --- I need assistance with a perplexing problem with my Thinkpad 701C. I have the model number 2630 UT5, 486 DX2/50. I recently attempted to upgrade the memory from 4mb to 20mb by using a 16mb chip. My laptop does not recognize the memory upgrade with the 16mb chip. I receive the following error message after the initial memory post: " error code 201 00400000 00000040" When I run the diagnostics utility, under the memory box icon, I receive this error message: "dev 002, err 22, fru 0020" At 4 mb, the memory post was 3712, after installing the 16mb chip, the memory post is 4736. In the owners manual for error code 201, it says to "remove & re-install the memory chip". I removed/re-installed the 16mb chip two times with the same resulting error code 201. The 16mb chip came from a working Thinkpad 701CS. The IBM tech support indicated that maybe the laptop "didn't like the new chip" or there was something wrong with the system board. He could not retrieve the 16mb memory chip part numbers and thinks that they have been deleted from the support system. The 16 mb chip fits perfectly into the memory module area. The identification codes on the 16mb chip are: Top of chip: IBM #64G3450 70NS 16mb 4m x 32 4 modules on back of chip: #43G8285 IBM 14 PQ N36002TI 4 modules on front of chip: #43G8285 14 PQ N31T00T1 Left bottom of chip: 64G3034 Barcode strip on front of chip: B15K6000113 64G3450 TOR 411 The 4mb chip soldered to the system board - identification code - 43G6749 I am currently running WIN 3.11 and have a 540mb HDD. I have installed the latest BIOS for the Thinkpad 701C. I appreciate any assistance that you can offer. Thanks! Cathy From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 24 23:39:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13403 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15841; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 May 1999 23:38:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15583; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15570; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (128.125.253.166 -> almaak.usc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 23:37:56 -0400 Received: from rjwlaptop (ppp-224-102.usc.edu [128.125.224.102]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id UAA15867; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990524203523.029eb220@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:36:49 -0700 To: "Donald Mak" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Lightware Projector and 770 In-Reply-To: <000f01bea646$330d8c40$47276420@thinkpad> References: <4.1.19990524165929.029eeaa0@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:33 PM 5/24/99 -0400, you wrote: >I'll have to check the specs but I think the projector is rated for SVGA. It may well be, but unless it can take an XGA signal (and compress it to SVGA), then there's your problem--your laptop is sending out a higher-than-SVGA signal whenever you're in simultaneous mode. >I do remember when you were looking for a projector some posts regarding >this problem. >Did you ever figure out if it's some TP specific limitation or the video >chipset? Many laptops used the trident chipset such as Dell and gateway. Do >they suffer the same limitation? The TP's are the only machine I'm aware of that do this. And it really ticks me off. - Randy Whittle From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 02:48:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA14748 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 02:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21704; Tue, 25 May 1999 02:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 02:46:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21519; Tue, 25 May 1999 02:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21506; Tue, 25 May 1999 02:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 02:46:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA15981; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:46:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:46:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Chuck S." cc: Donald Mak , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: V90 upgrade In-Reply-To: <00f701bea657$fb663e60$594245cf@thinkpad1721i> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999, Chuck S. wrote: Hi Chuck, Please go to: www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html and choose Device File Matrix for your model. > Could you post the URL for this driver? I tried the 5/21/99 driver and the results are as follows: 5/21/99 driver for 770Z: connects now are 44k 3/99 version: connects between 40k to 41.3k Original TPad version: 40k connect and drops to 32k Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 02:52:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA14778 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 02:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22105; Tue, 25 May 1999 02:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 02:51:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21933; Tue, 25 May 1999 02:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21913; Tue, 25 May 1999 02:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 02:51:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA16039; Mon, 24 May 1999 23:51:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:51:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: Birger Petterson , Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <000901bea55f$aa8d0f80$23276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi folks, I just got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU today back from the IBM Authorized Servicer in my area after finding the one that is listed in the IBM ad in the phone book under Service/Maintenence. The guy fixed my problem in one hour flat with the reprogramming the EEPROM from the 188 Error. The only problem now is that in the CMOS, the Machine type, System Unit Serial Number and System Board Serial Number is blank. Thanks to Donald and Bill for the assistance in the CTRL-N key in the config menu in EZ-Setup to get the System Type and System Unit Serial Number in since it's basically the 95498AU and then followed by the serial number with no / slashes or dashes - in between. But how does one reenter the System Board Serial Number or even locate where the serial number is? Thanks. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 03:20:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA14994 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25547; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 03:19:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25334; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25273; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (207.69.200.82 -> smtp5.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 03:19:10 -0400 Received: from tp760 (user-38ldh4t.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.196.157]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA09365; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905250719.DAA09365@smtp5.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "scosgt@worldnet.att.net" Date: Tue, 25 May 99 00:19:04 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999 18:25:15 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >He is not being rude., He is right! Right about what? That we should not be allowed to discuss ThinkPad-related issues on this list? -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude19 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 03:27:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA15029 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26244; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 03:26:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25961; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25948; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 03:26:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA16270; Tue, 25 May 1999 00:26:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:26:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Paul Khoury cc: ThinkPad List , "scosgt@worldnet.att.net" Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <199905250719.DAA09365@smtp5.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 May 1999, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Mon, 24 May 1999 18:25:15 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >He is not being rude., He is right! > > Right about what? That we should not be allowed to discuss ThinkPad-related > issues on this list? If that was the case, we probably shouldn't even have a list... and let see, all Bruce ever posted was complaints in ALL CAPS which is already inappropriate and then the next thing is either a one worder or one liner. Even though it's only 4 characters or 80 characters for the part contributed, the quoted text is like 99% or something. Not to mention that the headers themselves would be bigger than the message he is posting... Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 03:31:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA15047 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26585; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 03:30:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26438; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26408; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (207.69.200.82 -> smtp5.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 03:30:04 -0400 Received: from tp760 (user-38ldh4t.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.196.157]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA16811 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905250730.DAA16811@smtp5.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 25 May 99 00:30:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: DVD List-Unsubscribe: While we're on the topic of DVD, I heard somewhere you can get a DVD option for the 760 (even though my machine is a P133). Is this true? It would be nice to watch my DVD movies when away from home... Also, do any of the ThinkPads with DVD options have NT support yet? -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude19 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 03:43:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA15103 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27702; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 03:41:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27454; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27441; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (24.113.61.37 -> cr634166-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 03:41:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (devel@localhost) by vip.psychonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA05857; Tue, 25 May 1999 00:41:34 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:41:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve To: Vincent Poy cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: At the same screen you typed Control N try Control d It appears to be a hex editor which allows you to change any/all bios settings yourself. I'd recommend being very careful with it. :) A quick peak through the various screens on my 770ed did show all the different settings/serial #'s and model #'s Steve On Mon, 24 May 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: > Hi folks, > > I just got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU today back from the IBM > Authorized Servicer in my area after finding the one that is listed in the > IBM ad in the phone book under Service/Maintenence. The guy fixed my > problem in one hour flat with the reprogramming the EEPROM from the 188 > Error. The only problem now is that in the CMOS, the Machine type, System > Unit Serial Number and System Board Serial Number is blank. Thanks to > Donald and Bill for the assistance in the CTRL-N key in the config menu in > EZ-Setup to get the System Type and System Unit Serial Number in since > it's basically the 95498AU and then followed by the serial number with no > / slashes or dashes - in between. But how does one reenter the System > Board Serial Number or even locate where the serial number is? Thanks. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 03:47:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA15121 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28236; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 03:46:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28108; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28095; Tue, 25 May 1999 03:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 03:46:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA16399; Tue, 25 May 1999 00:46:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:46:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Steve cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 May 1999, Steve wrote: > At the same screen you typed Control N try Control d > > It appears to be a hex editor which allows you to change any/all > bios settings yourself. I'd recommend being very careful with it. :) > A quick peak through the various screens on my 770ed did show all the > different settings/serial #'s and model #'s Heh, but how does one figure out where the System Board Serial Number goes and if the service tech wiped the CMOS and the info is gone, where can I actually find that number besides trying my luck opening the case. =) Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > On Mon, 24 May 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > I just got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU today back from the IBM > > Authorized Servicer in my area after finding the one that is listed in the > > IBM ad in the phone book under Service/Maintenence. The guy fixed my > > problem in one hour flat with the reprogramming the EEPROM from the 188 > > Error. The only problem now is that in the CMOS, the Machine type, System > > Unit Serial Number and System Board Serial Number is blank. Thanks to > > Donald and Bill for the assistance in the CTRL-N key in the config menu in > > EZ-Setup to get the System Type and System Unit Serial Number in since > > it's basically the 95498AU and then followed by the serial number with no > > / slashes or dashes - in between. But how does one reenter the System > > Board Serial Number or even locate where the serial number is? Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 10:14:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17147 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17560; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 10:12:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17259; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17244; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 10:12:24 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-384.gate.net [199.227.131.193]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA255846; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:13:21 -0400 Message-ID: <374AAF9F.FD44B450@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:11:44 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: Steve , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince.. i suggest you call the service tech and ask him what to do about the missing serial numbers.. also, i don't think their not being programmed in the cmos will have any effect on the operation, and lastly you can always call the IBM help center for whatever that would be worth.. Vincent Poy wrote: > On Tue, 25 May 1999, Steve wrote: > > > At the same screen you typed Control N try Control d > > > > It appears to be a hex editor which allows you to change any/all > > bios settings yourself. I'd recommend being very careful with it. :) > > A quick peak through the various screens on my 770ed did show all the > > different settings/serial #'s and model #'s > > Heh, but how does one figure out where the System Board Serial > Number goes and if the service tech wiped the CMOS and the info is gone, > where can I actually find that number besides trying my luck opening the > case. =) > **SNIP** -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 10:43:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17435 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19622; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 10:42:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19429; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19406; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de (134.100.96.1 -> plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 10:41:59 -0400 Received: from uke.uni-hamburg.de (curschmann.uke.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.96.193]) by plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12891; Tue, 25 May 1999 16:43:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <374AB697.27978B46@uke.uni-hamburg.de> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:41:27 +0200 From: Thorsten Jaekel Reply-To: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de Organization: UKE Hamburg X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: excessive quoting in list contributions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi everyone, I just got the Monday digest which was huge - over 200 KB. Please don't quote all the previous postings (including your own, and all the signatures) in responses! This is mostly unnecessary and bloats the messages. 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From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 13:05:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18958 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00201; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 13:03:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29801; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29699; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 13:02:40 -0400 Received: from sony ([12.79.8.151]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990525170236.BIVC991@sony>; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:02:36 +0000 Message-ID: <374AD7A6.3FCF@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:02:31 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: DVD References: <199905250730.DAA16811@smtp5.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I should not tell you this, since you will think I am being rude... I have a 760ED in a SelectaDock 2, with a Real Magic Hollywood card, and a TOshiba 5X DVD in the dock. Works Great! Paul Khoury wrote: > > While we're on the topic of DVD, I heard somewhere you can > get a DVD option for the 760 (even though my machine is a P133). > Is this true? It would be nice to watch my DVD movies when > away from home... > > Also, do any of the ThinkPads with DVD options have NT support yet? > > -- > Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude19 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 13:41:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA19414 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03127; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 13:40:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02926; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02911; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (144.92.108.61 -> ssec.wisc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 13:40:26 -0400 Received: from mail.ssec.wisc.edu (mail.ssec.wisc.edu [144.92.108.227]) by ssec.wisc.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA17302 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:40:22 -0500 Received: by mail.ssec.wisc.edu with ADMIN;25 May 1999 12:35:53 -0600 Message-ID: <374AE52D.1690344B@ssec.wisc.edu> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:00:15 -0500 From: Paul Schnettler Reply-To: paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu Organization: UW-Space Science & Engineering Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re:Audio,wattage and DVD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU wrote: > Subject: Re: Re[2]: TP Carrying Cases - Volume Control > Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:19:57 -0700 > From: Vincent Poy > Watts are not accurate for measuring audio since it's the current in > amperage > that matters. That's why most mass market receivers with 200 wats > can't > beat a high-current 20 watt amp. Do you have any idea what you're talking about Vince? How, pray tell, would YOU "measure audio" if not in watts? Saying it's the current in amperage that matters and not the wattage does nothing more than show your ignorance of anything electronic or electrical. Let me guess, your a software engineer! Geeze, I guess we need to discuss carrying cases... (my point, unless you use some logic, knowledge and common sense in your posts, you're better off not posting. Unless you just like to see your unpruned messages and your sig line posted 8 times in the digests I get... A disgusted listmember since 97... Paul Schnettler (flame away, I've got my asbestos underwear!) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 14:00:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19624 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04874; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 13:58:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04652; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caliban.dogmead.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04639; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caliban.dogmead.com (198.73.240.1 -> caliban.dogmead.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 13:58:42 -0400 Received: (from tim@localhost) by caliban.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14735; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:58:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199905251758.NAA14735@caliban.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: DVD To: pkhoury@mindspring.com Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <374AD7A6.3FCF@worldnet.att.net> from "Bruce Markowitz" at May 25, 99 01:02:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > I have a 760ED in a SelectaDock 2, with a Real Magic Hollywood card, and > a TOshiba 5X DVD in the dock. Works Great! I tried a variation of the same: Real Magic Hollywood card and a Toshiba 1X DVD with a ThinkPad 760E (120Mhz) in a SelectaDock 2, but the results were not good -- too many dropped frames. Real Magic recommended a 133Mhz as the minimum processor speed, so that's probably the main source of my problem. In any case, this is unlikely to be a satisfactory solution, as it's not exactly highly portable. > Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > While we're on the topic of DVD, I heard somewhere you can > > get a DVD option for the 760 (even though my machine is a P133). > > Is this true? It would be nice to watch my DVD movies when > > away from home... > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 14:23:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19889 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06939; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 14:21:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06775; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06758; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (207.69.200.30 -> smtp0.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 14:21:19 -0400 Received: from tp760 (user-38ldgmi.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.194.210]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA32161; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905251821.OAA32161@smtp0.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "scosgt@worldnet.att.net" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:21:02 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: DVD List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 May 1999 13:02:31 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >I should not tell you this, since you will think I am being rude... >I have a 760ED in a SelectaDock 2, with a Real Magic Hollywood card, and >a TOshiba 5X DVD in the dock. Works Great! > That's almost the same setup in my machine I hookup to my TV, except I was looking for something for my ThinkPad which would not require a docking station... -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html AIM - pkhoury12 | Dalnet IRC - CyberDude19 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 14:26:26 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19941 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07525; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 14:24:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07201; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07156; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 14:24:06 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pD4B888E1.dip.t-online.de [212.184.136.225]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id LR7F4H2K; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:23:08 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: Cc: "Vincent Poy" , Subject: RE: Audio,wattage and DVD - Electrical Concepts - P=IV Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:23:54 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <374AE52D.1690344B@ssec.wisc.edu> List-Unsubscribe: Okay, I can't believe I'm getting myself into the fray, but I cannot stand sitting here and listening to people bicker like little children. We are adults, or are we not? It is unbelievable how some people have failed to learn how to command the language they use in such a way to express opinions without belittling other people. It is disgusting! I will talk about electricity in a moment - I would like to make yet another request first: - Please, if you feel strongly about something, you do not have to shout at people as if they were morons. There was a time when you did not know as much as you do now. I have learned that no matter how much I know, there are always those that know more... Einstein: "I can assure you that your struggles in mathematics are no greater than mine..." (not an exact quote, I did not have time to look up the German) - ELECTRICITY: Vince is correct, actually - the details, however, are complicated. Now, I am going to preface my coming comment with the fact that I am not an electrical engineer, nor do I work specifically on sound electronics (NOR have I done any graduate work in it). I do, however, have a solid background in physics and have this to say: - Watts are influenced by current. I can have a 300 W stereo running at a low amperage and high voltage. The equation is P=IV where: P is Watts (joules/second), I is current (Amperes), and V is voltage (volts). As I raise the current and lower the potential (voltage), I can keep the same watt-age flowing. Depending on the equipment (any stereo electronics EXPERTS out there will do better here), the more amps (current) pumped into a system (while potential/current remains the same), the stronger the signal, thus the sound. That is why even in a car stereo, where the potential stays at 12 volts (i.e. from the car battery), as I raise my ability to draw current from the battery(ies) and alternator, I am able to increase the wattage of the stereo, thus increasing it's performance (or destruction if the equipment/speakers cannot handle the load). - What does this have to do with Thinkpads? I have owned a lot of laptops over the past few years and have this comment. The potential (voltage) needed to run the given laptop has varied from 15V to 19V - my TP 770ED runs at about 16V. Now depending upon the way the computer is designed, the lower the potential/voltage, the more current (amps) the machine draws. This means that I am actually drawing more "juice" from my laptop adapter/battery (you can envision the current as a flow of water through a pipe) to power given components. Whereas my laptop from X Company (I think it was my Gateway Solo) used a higher potential/lower current to run, my TP uses a lower potential and higher current to drive the given components, therefore, giving the components a larger potential source of energy to feed "their needs." The fact that the speakers on my TP sound 10x better than my Gateway has something to do with the way they are powered (i.e. more current actually available to them), but it also relies a lot upon the quality of the speakers and the housing in which they are encased. There are a lot of variables to play with, but normally, the more current a component can handle, the more able it is to produce greater effects... That is why expensive stereo components usually draw enormous amounts of current. That is also why a stereo from Marantz or MacIntosh cost about $500-4000 more than a [normal] Pioneer or Sony receiver - they all supply at 200W, as an example, but the sound out of a Marantz, etc. is much, much clearer. But, now I'm getting away from where I know what I know. I'll leave it to someone who knows better from here. Thank You. Steve >original below ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) Fax: +1 603 288 0296 ICQ: 15804759 ________________________________________________________________________ ORIGINAL to Vince: Do you have any idea what you're talking about Vince? How, pray tell, would YOU "measure audio" if not in watts? Saying it's the current in amperage that matters and not the wattage does nothing more than show your ignorance of anything electronic or electrical. Let me guess, your a software engineer! Geeze, I guess we need to discuss carrying cases... (my point, unless you use some logic, knowledge and common sense in your posts, you're better off not posting. Unless you just like to see your unpruned messages and your sig line posted 8 times in the digests I get... A disgusted listmember since 97... Paul Schnettler (flame away, I've got my asbestos underwear!) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 14:29:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19994 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08229; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 14:27:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07786; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ntserver.margi.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07695; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ntserver.margi.com (208.223.140.2 -> ntserver.margi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 14:26:55 -0400 Received: from Brian.FREMONT (208.223.140.69) by ntserver.margi.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 25 May 1999 11:24:04 -0700 Message-ID: <01a101bea6dc$b0178560$458cdfd0@FREMONT> From: "Bryan Edwards" To: "Tim Tyhurst" , Cc: References: <199905251758.NAA14735@caliban.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: DVD Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:30:38 -0700 Organization: MARGI Systems, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hi All-- IBM offers internal DVD drives. I can also recomend externals if you need them. But to play DVD you are going to need to decode it. Software is not there, yet. Please visit our web page @ www.margi.com look at the DVD-to-Go PCMCIA card It's Think Pad Proven and will work on 133 MHz and up machines. If you are interested please email me at bedwards@margi.com or call in the US 888.656.2744..22 or 510.657.4435..22 outside the US and I will offer the think pad list a discounted price if you are interested. Regards, Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Tyhurst To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 10:58 AM Subject: Re: DVD > > I have a 760ED in a SelectaDock 2, with a Real Magic Hollywood card, and > > a TOshiba 5X DVD in the dock. Works Great! > > I tried a variation of the same: Real Magic Hollywood card and a Toshiba > 1X DVD with a ThinkPad 760E (120Mhz) in a SelectaDock 2, but the results > were not good -- too many dropped frames. > > Real Magic recommended a 133Mhz as the minimum processor speed, so that's > probably the main source of my problem. > > In any case, this is unlikely to be a satisfactory solution, as it's not > exactly highly portable. > > > Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > > > While we're on the topic of DVD, I heard somewhere you can > > > get a DVD option for the 760 (even though my machine is a P133). > > > Is this true? It would be nice to watch my DVD movies when > > > away from home... > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 14:36:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA20080 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09276; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 14:34:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08839; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08826; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 14:34:00 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (p3E9D37A7.dip.t-online.de [62.157.55.167]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id LR7F4H20; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:32:53 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: Docking Station, Selectabase Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 20:33:40 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Hello again, I have a question regarding the use of a Docking Station with my 770ED. - Does anyone currently have the Docking Station and use it with Windows NT Workstation 4.0 - right now I am not concerned with the operation under Win 98/95 because I will only use it under the NT environment? - If so, have you found it's use in conjunction with PCI cards, an Ethernet hook-up (PC Card), extra Hard Drives (especially this and the PC Card), and/or other options to cause major problems? - Do you have to buy the Selectabase (which I am assuming is a sort of port replicator) in order to use the docking station? - What prices should I expect to encounter - I am not a bargain hunter per se. I need all of that wonderful warrantee "stuff." - Any general comments regarding it's use, not necessarily related to the OS? Basically, I'm trying to figure out whether it is worth the investment or whether I really should sink some money into my desktop to do upgrades and simply try to keep the data on my TP and Desktop synced (which I would prefer to get away from). Thanks in advance, Steve ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) Fax: +1 603 288 0296 ICQ: 15804759 ________________________________________________________________________ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 14:40:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA20136 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09963; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 14:35:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09115; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09050; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (192.245.12.8 -> Viola.Opus1.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 14:35:03 -0400 Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.2-31 #9830) id <01JBM1N61E4W9DH5Y9@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 25 May 1999 11:34:51 MST Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:14:17 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re:Audio,wattage and DVD In-reply-to: "Your message dated Tue, 25 May 1999 13:00:15 -0500" <374AE52D.1690344B@ssec.wisc.edu> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01JBM2R83D9E9DH5Y9@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: List-Unsubscribe: Paul Schnettler writes - > > Watts are not accurate for measuring audio since it's the current in > > amperage that matters. That's why most mass market receivers with 200 > > wats can't beat a high-current 20 watt amp. > Do you have any idea what you're talking about Vince? > How, pray tell, would YOU "measure audio" if not in watts? Perhaps he's trying to discuss the ability of a given amplifier to drive a low-impedance load. I haven't looked at any specs lately but as I recall the power is specified at some particular load - I think the USA's Federal Trade Commission forced them to be somewhat honest about all this many years ago...? Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 14:55:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA20286 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11498; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 14:53:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11211; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11149; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Viola.Opus1.COM (192.245.12.8 -> Viola.Opus1.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 14:53:27 -0400 Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.2-31 #9830) id <01JBM1N61E4W9DH5Y9@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 25 May 1999 11:53:17 MST Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:36:35 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: RE: Audio,wattage and DVD - Electrical Concepts - P=IV In-reply-to: "Your message dated Tue, 25 May 1999 20:23:54 -0400" Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01JBM3E2QYXQ9DH5Y9@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <374AE52D.1690344B@ssec.wisc.edu> List-Unsubscribe: "Steven N. Fettig" writes - > As I raise the current and lower the > potential (voltage), I can keep the same watt-age flowing. Correct - the power transfered to the load remains the same. Different loads may have different impedances - maximum transfer of power requires matching the output impedance of the amplifer to the input impedance of the load. Example - this is how a megaphone works. It matches the rather high impedance of one's mouth to the very low impedance of the air which conducts the sound. More power is transfered and the result is it sounds louder... > Depending on the > equipment (any stereo electronics EXPERTS out there will do better here), > the more amps (current) pumped into a system (while potential/current > remains the same), the stronger the signal, thus the sound. Incorrect - the amplitude depends on the power transfered, and that is the product of the voltage and current. > - What does this have to do with Thinkpads? I have owned a lot of laptops > over the past few years and have this comment. The potential (voltage) > needed to run the given laptop has varied from 15V to 19V - my TP 770ED runs > at about 16V. All this 'extra' voltage is just slop for the regulators inside the Thinkpad itself. Most of it runs on 3 to 5 volts, maybe some parts need 12, maybe not. I don't know about the display backlights, I'd expect they have their own power systems. > The fact that the speakers on my TP sound 10x better than my > Gateway has something to do with the way they are powered (i.e. more current > actually available to them) While it's not easy to design a crummy amplifier these days (you can get the whole thing on a chip) it is still possible... > That is also why a stereo from Marantz or MacIntosh > cost about $500-4000 more than a [normal] Pioneer or Sony receiver - they > all supply at 200W, as an example, but the sound out of a Marantz, etc. is > much, much clearer. And this is due to some amps providing more headroom than others. In music the crest-factor (ratio of average to peak power) of some waveforms (percussion, etc) can exceed 25db - several times the 200 watts. This limits the maximum undistorted output level... Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 15:24:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20671 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14602; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 15:23:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14346; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14299; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 15:22:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19215; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:22:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:22:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: billy@MIX.COM cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re:Audio,wattage and DVD In-Reply-To: <01JBM2R83D9E9DH5Y9@Opus1.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 May 1999 billy@MIX.COM wrote: > > Do you have any idea what you're talking about Vince? > > How, pray tell, would YOU "measure audio" if not in watts? > > Perhaps he's trying to discuss the ability of a given amplifier > to drive a low-impedance load. I haven't looked at any specs > lately but as I recall the power is specified at some particular > load - I think the USA's Federal Trade Commission forced them to > be somewhat honest about all this many years ago...? Yes Paul, I do know what I'm talking about. If you're into audio equipment, you will see there is something known as efficiency per watt. You can take a Harmon/Kardon Receiver that is 20 watts and compare it to a SONY or any Japanese make that is 200 watts/channel and you will see what I mean. There is something known as High-Current which is measured in Amperage or Volts. and then also, the size of the power transformers and power supply does play an important role. I'll give an example, a high-quality amp that does 10 watts/channel @ 8 Ohm will do 20 watts at 4 Ohm and 40 watts at 2 Ohms and 80 watts at 1 Ohm. The ThinkPad may be rated at 1 watt but the question is at what impedence, and how sensitive are the speakers and what kind of specs do they have? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 15:25:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20701 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13760; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 15:18:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13599; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13586; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 15:18:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19186; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:18:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:18:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: Steve , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <374AAF9F.FD44B450@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: I'll call or visit the service tech later today. It's just funny that the problem originally was that the numbers are missing, now they fixed the problem and all the info is gone. I can get all the Type and System Unit Serial Numbers back in with that CTRL-N thing but the System Board Serial Number is something that the service tech will need to do. I called IBM Help Center and they said that even they don't have the System Unit Serial Number information since it's classified from them. They even said that the user can't just enter any serial number in since that would make all ThinkPad's untrackable in the event a ThinkPad is stolen and someone took the sticker off, that's the only purpose of the Serial numbers and type numbers, it seems. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > i suggest you call the service tech and ask him what to do about the > missing serial numbers.. also, i don't think their not being > programmed in the cmos will have any effect on the operation, and > lastly you can always call the IBM help center for whatever that would > be worth.. > > > > At the same screen you typed Control N try Control d > > > > > > It appears to be a hex editor which allows you to change any/all > > > bios settings yourself. I'd recommend being very careful with it. :) > > > A quick peak through the various screens on my 770ed did show all the > > > different settings/serial #'s and model #'s > > > > Heh, but how does one figure out where the System Board Serial > > Number goes and if the service tech wiped the CMOS and the info is gone, > > where can I actually find that number besides trying my luck opening the > > case. =) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 15:31:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20830 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15770; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 15:30:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15424; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15376; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 15:29:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19249; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:29:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:29:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: billy@MIX.COM cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Audio,wattage and DVD - Electrical Concepts - P=IV In-Reply-To: <01JBM3E2QYXQ9DH5Y9@Opus1.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 May 1999 billy@MIX.COM wrote: > > As I raise the current and lower the > > potential (voltage), I can keep the same watt-age flowing. > > Correct - the power transfered to the load remains the same. > Different loads may have different impedances - maximum transfer > of power requires matching the output impedance of the amplifer > to the input impedance of the load. This is correct since the impedance always changes with a minimum and a maximum impedence level. > Example - this is how a megaphone works. It matches the rather > high impedance of one's mouth to the very low impedance of the > air which conducts the sound. More power is transfered and the > result is it sounds louder... Never had any experience with Megaphones before. > > Depending on the > > equipment (any stereo electronics EXPERTS out there will do better here), > > the more amps (current) pumped into a system (while potential/current > > remains the same), the stronger the signal, thus the sound. > > Incorrect - the amplitude depends on the power transfered, and > that is the product of the voltage and current. Correct Billy. > > - What does this have to do with Thinkpads? I have owned a lot of laptops > > over the past few years and have this comment. The potential (voltage) > > needed to run the given laptop has varied from 15V to 19V - my TP 770ED runs > > at about 16V. > > All this 'extra' voltage is just slop for the regulators inside the > Thinkpad itself. Most of it runs on 3 to 5 volts, maybe some parts > need 12, maybe not. I don't know about the display backlights, I'd > expect they have their own power systems. I wonder how much current actually flows through the ThinkPad itself as compared to a Desktop machine. > > The fact that the speakers on my TP sound 10x better than my > > Gateway has something to do with the way they are powered (i.e. more current > > actually available to them) > > While it's not easy to design a crummy amplifier these days (you > can get the whole thing on a chip) it is still possible... This is true. The Compaq Presario line did have good sound but the rest of the machine can't hold a candle to any of the ThinkPads. > > That is also why a stereo from Marantz or MacIntosh > > cost about $500-4000 more than a [normal] Pioneer or Sony receiver - they > > all supply at 200W, as an example, but the sound out of a Marantz, etc. is > > much, much clearer. > > And this is due to some amps providing more headroom than others. > In music the crest-factor (ratio of average to peak power) of some > waveforms (percussion, etc) can exceed 25db - several times the > 200 watts. This limits the maximum undistorted output level... Yep, also. There is something known as Class A, Class AB and Class B output. A normal Pioneer or Sony receiver might do 20 watts in Class A and the rest Class AB while the other brands like the high-end >from Krell, Mark Levinson might have more pure clean power all the way to the rated specs. A look at the size and weight of the power transformers should tell you something. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 16:52:06 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22090 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 16:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21656; Tue, 25 May 1999 16:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 16:50:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21426; Tue, 25 May 1999 16:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21377; Tue, 25 May 1999 16:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (149.174.183.74 -> smtp5.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 16:50:04 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 May 1999 16:49:52 -0400 Sender: awebber@sgml-mercs.com Received: from andrew (cr848826-a.slnt1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.85.35]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with SMTP id QAA00196 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 16:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905252048.QAA00196@hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "TP List" Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:52:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Lightware Projector and 770 List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999 20:36:49 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >The TP's are the only machine I'm aware of that do this. And it really >ticks me off. I understood from the earlier discussion about this, that it's difficult or an extra function to scale the 800x600 out the external connection to 1024x768 on the internal display. What I couldn't figure out (and never asked), was why they have to scale the 800x600 to 1024x768. Why not just display the 800x600 on the LCD in the middle? Or top-left, bottom-left, or whatever? I'm sure you (Randal) wouldn't care where the image was, if you could see it on your internal display. You might even prefer that, if there were serious distortions in the scaling. Or am I overlooking something else again? andrew ------ my local weather today: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 17:17:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22358 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23610; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 17:16:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23429; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23415; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.42 -> mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 17:16:10 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.13.166]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990525211601.IBCF29924@770>; Tue, 25 May 1999 21:16:01 +0000 Message-ID: <374B130E.2F3@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:15:58 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Tyhurst CC: pkhoury@mindspring.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DVD References: <199905251758.NAA14735@caliban.dogmead.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You MUST get the DVD drive to do DMA. If the unit you have does not have a bus mastering motherboard, it may not be possible. This is true even of a PII 300! Tim Tyhurst wrote: > > > I have a 760ED in a SelectaDock 2, with a Real Magic Hollywood card, and > > a TOshiba 5X DVD in the dock. Works Great! > > I tried a variation of the same: Real Magic Hollywood card and a Toshiba > 1X DVD with a ThinkPad 760E (120Mhz) in a SelectaDock 2, but the results > were not good -- too many dropped frames. > > Real Magic recommended a 133Mhz as the minimum processor speed, so that's > probably the main source of my problem. > > In any case, this is unlikely to be a satisfactory solution, as it's not > exactly highly portable. > > > Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > > > While we're on the topic of DVD, I heard somewhere you can > > > get a DVD option for the 760 (even though my machine is a P133). > > > Is this true? It would be nice to watch my DVD movies when > > > away from home... > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 17:39:18 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22636 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25037; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 17:38:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24899; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24884; Tue, 25 May 1999 17:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fantasia.stormhaven.org (12.5.48.10 -> fantasia.stormhaven.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 17:37:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by fantasia.stormhaven.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA02589 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 16:39:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:39:08 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: excessive quoting in list contributions In-Reply-To: <374AB697.27978B46@uke.uni-hamburg.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 May 1999, Thorsten Jaekel wrote: > I just got the Monday digest which was huge - over 200 KB. > Please don't quote all the previous postings (including your own, and > all the signatures) in responses! > This is mostly unnecessary and bloats the messages. Most mail programs have an unbundle feature which splits a digest into its component messages (each email looks like a separately arrived email, only they're added to the end of your mailbox so your personal mail isn't mixed in). If your mail program is capable of this, you can simply delete the offending message and skip to the next one, instead of having to page down through all the re-re-re-re-re-quotes. -- John H. Kim kim@stormhaven.org From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 18:42:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA23394 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 18:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28513; Tue, 25 May 1999 18:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 18:41:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28322; Tue, 25 May 1999 18:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28253; Tue, 25 May 1999 18:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 18:39:42 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-17.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.17]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA17977; Tue, 25 May 1999 18:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990525184513.006d4820@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:45:13 -0400 To: "Steven N. Fettig" , "Thinkpad List" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Docking Station, Selectabase In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:33 PM 5/25/99 -0400, Steven N. Fettig wrote: >Hello again, > I have a question regarding the use of a Docking Station with my 770ED. >- Does anyone currently have the Docking Station and use it with Windows NT >Workstation 4.0 - right now I am not concerned with the operation under Win >98/95 because I will only use it under the NT environment? One of our Consultants here uses a Dock3 with NT. It appears to work as described, but he doesn't have a plethora of items installed. He has a 3Com PCI 10/100 adapter installed and a Voodoo2 (yeah, we work here alright ). >- Do you have to buy the Selectabase (which I am assuming is a sort of port >replicator) in order to use the docking station? You need the Selectabase 770 and a the SelectaDock III. You *could* use a SelectaDock II, but they are discontinued, have no PCI expansion slots and don't recognize 32-bit Cardbus. Go with a SelectaDock III and SelectaBase 770. >- What prices should I expect to encounter - I am not a bargain hunter per >se. I need all of that wonderful warrantee "stuff." ~$625.00 for the Dock III, ~$200.00 for the Base770. We have a smattering here of Dock IIs, IIIs and were using them with 765's, 770's. We recently went all 770's and are phasing out the Dock IIs for Dock IIIs. I just purchased the last one I needed off of ebay for $400.00 new open box. IBM is great in warranty transfers. >- Any general comments regarding it's use, not necessarily related to the >OS? If your unit doubles as a desktop unit, get a Dock/Base combo. It makes it much easier. I have one at home and work. I find it makes moving between sites much easier. > Basically, I'm trying to figure out whether it is worth the investment >or whether I really should sink some money into my desktop to do upgrades >and simply try to keep the data on my TP and Desktop synced (which I would >prefer to get away from). Well, in this day and age, $800+ beans can get you great upgrades for your desktop. If you find you use your desktop primarily and your notebook on the go, then I would upgrade the desktop. If you find your usage of your notebook is heavy, then get a docking station. I just satiated both ideas and pumped up my Desktop (P2-450, 256megs, 21" Monitor, V2, TNT), and pumped up my notebook (TP770z 8au, 256megs, Dock III, 17" Monitor) and have everything tied together with a personal NT Server box running @ home to simulate client environments as I see fit, but each user has different needs. :) ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 18:45:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA23429 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 18:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29044; Tue, 25 May 1999 18:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 18:44:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28833; Tue, 25 May 1999 18:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28797; Tue, 25 May 1999 18:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (208.25.68.5 -> lanshark.lanminds.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 18:44:22 -0400 Received: from earthlink.net (diaquestrouter.lanminds.com [207.33.48.145]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA21664 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <374B2807.6D89055F@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:45:27 -0700 From: Ben Shemuel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Maillist Subject: TP770 Video in/out Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone have an *informed* opinion about the ThinkPad 770, equipped with the Enhanced Video Adaptor? I need to input video, have the computer display it at full frame rate (30fps), and simultanously output NTSC video to be recorded. Thanks, Ben -- Ben Shemuel Systems Engineer/Webmaster From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 19:19:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23720 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 19:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00882; Tue, 25 May 1999 19:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 19:18:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00727; Tue, 25 May 1999 19:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00687; Tue, 25 May 1999 19:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy3.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 19:16:48 -0400 Received: from dan (slip-32-101-128-10.mn.us.ibm.net [32.101.128.10]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id QAA07765 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 16:14:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan Galender" To: Subject: IBM Phone Support Number Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:13:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Anyone have the 1-800 number for ThinkPad support. I'm traveling and don't have it with me. Thanks in advance. Best regards, -Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Galender Email: dan@galender.com Galender & Associates, Inc. Phone: 510/728-4700 http://www.galender.com Fax: 510/728-4701 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 20:03:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24061 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02944; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 20:01:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02687; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudns01.tgrl.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02674; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905260001.UAA02674@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from loudns01.tgrl.com (208.160.1.34 -> loudns01.tgrl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 20:01:46 -0400 Received: from outbound-ip.tgrd.com by loudns01.tgrl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1460.8) id LCDF66PQ; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:01:04 -0400 From: "Jim McGhee" To: "Dan Galender" , Subject: Re: IBM Phone Support Number Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 18:59:18 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The IBM support number is: 1-800-IBM-SERV Jim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 20:57:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24605 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05467; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 20:55:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05262; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05214; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (208.137.139.2 -> sammy.netpathway.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 20:55:34 -0400 Received: from dual400celeron (port26-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.223]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.9.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA31522 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 19:55:28 -0500 Message-ID: <004001bea711$fef786f0$df8b89d0@dual400celeron> From: "Eric Giles" To: "Thinkpad List" References: <3.0.1.32.19990525184513.006d4820@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: Docking Station, Selectabase Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 19:52:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Actually, the Selectadock II does have PCI expansion slots-one half size PCI slot and two full size PCI/ISA shared slots. As stated, it does not have 32-bit Cardbus. Eric Giles > >- Do you have to buy the Selectabase (which I am assuming is a sort of port > >replicator) in order to use the docking station? > > You need the Selectabase 770 and a the SelectaDock III. You *could* use a > SelectaDock II, but they are discontinued, have no PCI expansion slots > and don't recognize 32-bit Cardbus. Go with a SelectaDock III and > SelectaBase 770. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 22:38:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25601 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09557; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 22:37:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09312; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09299; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (207.172.3.234 -> smtp1.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 22:37:03 -0400 Received: from dmacq (207-172-36-78.s78.tnt6.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.36.78]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA11665 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:37:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" To: Subject: PCMCIA modem works under Linux? Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:35:04 -0400 Message-ID: <01bea720$5cd1d4c0$4e24accf@dmacq> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Does the card modem on the 560 series work under Linux? Any problems, troubles? TIA. Donald ---------------------------------------- Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot ---------------------------------------- I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! ---------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 22:48:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25708 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10139; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 22:46:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10025; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iac20.navix.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10010; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iac20.navix.net (207.91.5.26 -> iac20.navix.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 22:46:38 -0400 Received: from Desktop (adslacust191.navix.net [216.170.0.191]) by iac20.navix.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA17717 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 21:26:36 -0500 Message-ID: <015601bea71f$1b60b520$02c8a8c0@navix.net> From: "David Ells" To: Subject: TP365CD Display Problem Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:26:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I turned on my 365CD the other day and the text on the screen (before Windows started) was garbled. I could read the text, but it was displaying the wrong letters. When Windows started the screen had lots of vertical black lines through it. The problem has gotten progressively worse. For a while I could flex the case and get the screen to display well enough to see my cursor and get the machine shut down. Now it's pretty much blank with occasional flickers and shifting blocks of different colors. Sometimes it will be completely green or white, sometimes it has lots of lines across the screen. I can no longer make out any part of the Windows desktop. The machine does boot OK. I can see it on my network and access the drive that way. Does this sound like a mode of failure anyone has seen before, or is this just weird? TIA, Dave Ells TP365CD From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 22:53:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25761 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10905; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 22:52:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10718; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10693; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.223 -> slip-32-100-39-223.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 22:52:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bea724$1d318b40$df276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Ben Shemuel" , "Thinkpad Maillist" References: <374B2807.6D89055F@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: TP770 Video in/out Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 23:01:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Ben, Please explain what you you meant by "output NTSC video to be recorded". Are you looking to output to another system as you are capturing or record directly on the TP? I don't know if it's possible to do input and output simutanously on the adapter (or any adapter for that matter). And even if you could the performance would be degraded as it would really tax the adapter resources. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Shemuel Does anyone have an *informed* opinion about the ThinkPad 770, equipped > with the Enhanced Video Adaptor? I need to input video, have the > computer display it at full frame rate (30fps), and simultanously output > NTSC video to be recorded. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 23:04:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25874 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 23:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11559; Tue, 25 May 1999 23:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 23:02:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11457; Tue, 25 May 1999 23:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11444; Tue, 25 May 1999 23:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.223 -> slip-32-100-39-223.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 23:01:57 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bea725$68f70400$df276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "David Ells" , References: <015601bea71f$1b60b520$02c8a8c0@navix.net> Subject: Re: TP365CD Display Problem Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 23:11:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: David, Perhaps a bad inverter card. When you say you flexed the case, I take it you are reffering to the LCD display, right? Second thought would be a loose wire to the display but that would not explain the garbled text. Is it still under warranty? Don From: David Ells > I turned on my 365CD the other day and the text on the screen (before > Windows started) was garbled. I could read the text, but it was displaying > the wrong letters. When Windows started the screen had lots of vertical > black lines through it. The problem has gotten progressively worse. For a > while I could flex the case and get the screen to display well enough to see > my cursor and get the machine shut down. Now it's pretty much blank with > occasional flickers and shifting blocks of different colors. Sometimes it > will be completely green or white, sometimes it has lots of lines across the > screen. I can no longer make out any part of the Windows desktop. The > machine does boot OK. I can see it on my network and access the drive that > way. Does this sound like a mode of failure anyone has seen before, or is > this just weird? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 23:08:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25929 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 23:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12366; Tue, 25 May 1999 23:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 23:05:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12020; Tue, 25 May 1999 23:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11971; Tue, 25 May 1999 23:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.223 -> slip-32-100-39-223.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 23:05:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01bea725$e8156f60$df276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Vincent Poy" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Steve" , References: Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 23:14:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I wouldn't worry to much about it. Though it is nice to have the serial number I doubt that it makes much difference to any thief. Don From: Vincent Poy > called IBM Help Center and they said that even they don't have the System > Unit Serial Number information since it's classified from them. They even > said that the user can't just enter any serial number in since that would > make all ThinkPad's untrackable in the event a ThinkPad is stolen and > someone took the sticker off, that's the only purpose of the Serial > numbers and type numbers, it seems. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue May 25 23:13:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25973 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 23:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13008; Tue, 25 May 1999 23:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 May 1999 23:11:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12668; Tue, 25 May 1999 23:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12654; Tue, 25 May 1999 23:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.223 -> slip-32-100-39-223.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 23:11:10 -0400 Message-ID: <002801bea726$b2ee2560$df276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: Subject: Port Defcon I Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 23:20:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01BEA705.2A29A540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BEA705.2A29A540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received the Port Defcon I device yesterday and must write that I am a = little dissapointed in it.=20 For general safety such as locking the notebook to a fixed item it's OK = but the motion alarm is a joke. By the time it actually goes off I can = remove the battery which renders it useless. There is supposedly a = "locking" feature on the battery cover but either I have a defective = unit or it wasn't built properly. Don ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BEA705.2A29A540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Received the Port Defcon I device = yesterday and=20 must write that I am a little dissapointed in it.
For general safety such as locking the = notebook to=20 a fixed item it's OK but the motion alarm is a joke. By the time it = actually=20 goes off I can remove the battery which renders it useless. There is = supposedly=20 a "locking" feature on the battery cover but either I have a defective = unit or=20 it wasn't built properly.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BEA705.2A29A540-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 00:27:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA26725 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15921; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 00:22:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15314; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15301; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 00:22:31 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-198.gate.net [207.36.212.198]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA337346; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:24:01 -0400 Message-ID: <374B76FE.7A04496D@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:22:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Mak CC: David Ells , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP365CD Display Problem References: <015601bea71f$1b60b520$02c8a8c0@navix.net> <000f01bea725$68f70400$df276420@thinkpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: MY guess is its a bad cable.. i don't think there is ANY 365CD thats still under the original one year warranty.. Donald Mak wrote: > David, > Perhaps a bad inverter card. When you say you flexed the case, I take it you > are reffering to the LCD display, right? > Second thought would be a loose wire to the display but that would not > explain the garbled text. > Is it still under warranty? > > Don > > From: David Ells > > I turned on my 365CD the other day and the text on the screen (before > > Windows started) was garbled. I could read the text, but it was displaying > > the wrong letters. When Windows started the screen had lots of vertical > > black lines through it. The problem has gotten progressively worse. For a > > while I could flex the case and get the screen to display well enough to > see > > my cursor and get the machine shut down. Now it's pretty much blank with > > occasional flickers and shifting blocks of different colors. Sometimes it > > will be completely green or white, sometimes it has lots of lines across > the > > screen. I can no longer make out any part of the Windows desktop. The > > machine does boot OK. I can see it on my network and access the drive that > > way. Does this sound like a mode of failure anyone has seen before, or is > > this just weird? -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 00:29:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA26737 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15939; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 00:24:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15571; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15557; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 00:24:05 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-198.gate.net [207.36.212.198]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA337288; Wed, 26 May 1999 00:25:29 -0400 Message-ID: <374B7757.60E73F66@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:23:51 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim McGhee CC: Dan Galender , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Phone Support Number References: <199905260001.UAA02674@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the IBM help line is 800-772-2227 Jim McGhee wrote: > The IBM support number is: > > 1-800-IBM-SERV > > Jim -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 06:15:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA29025 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03628; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 06:12:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03413; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03391; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 06:12:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA22763; Wed, 26 May 1999 03:11:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 03:11:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Jim McGhee cc: Dan Galender , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Phone Support Number In-Reply-To: <199905260001.UAA02674@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 May 1999, Jim McGhee wrote: > The IBM support number is: > > 1-800-IBM-SERV It's 1-800-772-2227 to be correct I think. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 06:18:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA29045 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04028; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 06:17:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03825; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03812; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 06:17:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA22786; Wed, 26 May 1999 03:17:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 03:17:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Paul Schnettler cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re:Audio,wattage and DVD In-Reply-To: <374AE52D.1690344B@ssec.wisc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 May 1999, Paul Schnettler wrote: > owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU wrote: > > > Subject: Re: Re[2]: TP Carrying Cases - Volume Control > > Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:19:57 -0700 > > From: Vincent Poy > > Watts are not accurate for measuring audio since it's the current in > > amperage > > that matters. That's why most mass market receivers with 200 wats > > can't > > beat a high-current 20 watt amp. > > Do you have any idea what you're talking about Vince? Ofcourse i do and I have the qualifications. I'm in the AstroPhysics field if that tells you anything. I run a ISP and even though I am 25 years old, I have more than 16 years of experience. > How, pray tell, would YOU "measure audio" if not in watts? > Saying it's the current in amperage that matters and not the wattage > does nothing more than show your ignorance of anything electronic or > electrical. I think you're the one who is ignorant. Watts when talking about electricity from the wall is measured easily in Watts. Watts in terms of current to speakers is completely different. I suggest you try visiting a real dedicated audio store or read the rec.audio newsgroups to see how incorrect you are. Current is always more important than Wattage when measuring audio. > Let me guess, your a software engineer! Wrong! > Geeze, I guess we need to discuss carrying cases... > (my point, unless you use some logic, knowledge and common sense in your > posts, you're better off not posting. Unless you just like to see your > unpruned messages and your sig line posted 8 times in the digests I > get... I don't mind seeing my sig 5,000 times a day if that matters to you since I got the resources and time to read mail... I was on-topic and you're the one that isn't. > A disgusted listmember since 97... > Paul Schnettler > (flame away, I've got my asbestos underwear!) A real disgusted listmember as I can see. I've been on the list since it's inception almost. Back in 1996. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 06:23:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA29066 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04521; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 06:22:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04344; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04331; Wed, 26 May 1999 06:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 06:22:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA22843; Wed, 26 May 1999 03:20:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 03:20:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Donald Mak cc: Bill Morrow , Steve , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <001b01bea725$e8156f60$df276420@thinkpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 May 1999, Donald Mak wrote: > I wouldn't worry to much about it. Though it is nice to have the > serial number I doubt that it makes much difference to any thief. That's what I thought but it seems like my board doesn't save the information. So the servicer ordered another new system board that will be swapped in 2 days or so... He said the numbers are needed there for warranty. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 09:29:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00144 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11645; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 09:28:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11403; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11388; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ssec.wisc.edu (144.92.108.61 -> ssec.wisc.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 09:28:11 -0400 Received: from mail.ssec.wisc.edu (mail.ssec.wisc.edu [144.92.108.227]) by ssec.wisc.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA30041 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 08:28:08 -0500 Received: by mail.ssec.wisc.edu with ADMIN;26 May 1999 08:27:08 -0600 Message-ID: <374BFC60.28C59AFD@ssec.wisc.edu> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:51:29 -0500 From: Paul Schnettler Reply-To: paulsch@ssec.wisc.edu Organization: UW-Space Science & Engineering Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy , thinkpad reply Subject: Re: Audio,wattage and DVD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Vince, I guess an apology is in order. My frustration at the pong game that seemed to be going on in the list seemed to punch my panic button. That, and a really bad day got the better of me. One of the problem with this crazy medium is one looses sight of the personal nature of one remarks. I did that yesterday, I'm sorry. Back to wattage. I'm fully aware of the importance of high current amplifiers. (I've recently gotten into building a tube amp for my son's base guitar) My point was more directed at the frustration you seemed to be having with the 1 watt thinkpad speaker driven by a very simple "amplifier" circuit which should be in no way compared to anyones stereo system...but then I really didn't convey that in my caustic note. Again, I am sorry. Watts are watts, a measurement of power based on current and voltage.I've never heard of any different way of defining it. If an audiophile wants to develope a new standard for evaluating the power output of a stereo system they will have to petition the IEEE for inclusion... there is no way a portable notebook computer is going to provide the high current drive your post seemed to suggest. If you want to discuss the relative merits of amplifier design I would be glad to anytime. I bow to your seniority as a listmember, Paul Schnettler (no sig required, no need to advertise) Vincent Poy wrote: > On Tue, 25 May 1999, Paul Schnettler wrote: > > > owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU wrote: > > > > > Subject: Re: Re[2]: TP Carrying Cases - Volume Control > > > Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:19:57 -0700 > > > From: Vincent Poy > > > Watts are not accurate for measuring audio since it's the current in > > > amperage > > > that matters. That's why most mass market receivers with 200 wats > > > can't > > > beat a high-current 20 watt amp. > > > > Do you have any idea what you're talking about Vince? > > Ofcourse i do and I have the qualifications. I'm in the > AstroPhysics field if that tells you anything. I run a ISP and even > though I am 25 years old, I have more than 16 years of experience. > > > How, pray tell, would YOU "measure audio" if not in watts? > > Saying it's the current in amperage that matters and not the wattage > > does nothing more than show your ignorance of anything electronic or > > electrical. > > I think you're the one who is ignorant. Watts when talking about > electricity from the wall is measured easily in Watts. Watts in terms of > current to speakers is completely different. I suggest you try visiting a > real dedicated audio store or read the rec.audio newsgroups to see how > incorrect you are. Current is always more important than Wattage when > measuring audio. > > > Let me guess, your a software engineer! > > Wrong! > > > Geeze, I guess we need to discuss carrying cases... > > (my point, unless you use some logic, knowledge and common sense in your > > posts, you're better off not posting. Unless you just like to see your > > unpruned messages and your sig line posted 8 times in the digests I > > get... > > I don't mind seeing my sig 5,000 times a day if that matters to > you since I got the resources and time to read mail... I was on-topic and > you're the one that isn't. > > > A disgusted listmember since 97... > > Paul Schnettler > > (flame away, I've got my asbestos underwear!) > > A real disgusted listmember as I can see. I've been on the list > since it's inception almost. Back in 1996. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 10:20:50 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00681 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14660; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 10:19:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14465; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14448; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:19:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (198.81.17.72 -> imo28.mx.aol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 10:19:08 -0400 Received: from Underland@aol.com (3959) by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id oARJa29725; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9fb08e7.247d5ccf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:18:55 EDT Subject: ThinkPad 600 Modem No Longer Recognized To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: Underland@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 58 List-Unsubscribe: My ThinkPad 600 has lost contact with its internal modem. The modem used to function on com 2. Windows 98 cannot find the modem now with its automated hardware search. When I attempt to install manually, Windows indicates com ports 3 and 4 are "open," and does not recognize com 2. Drivers from the IBM website don't recognize the modem either. When Windows 98 does find a device, it indicates the device is "unknown." If I direct Windows to the IBM drivers, Windows indicates they are not the correct drivers for the device. Very frustrating. This problem with slight variations is starting to turn up on various ThinkPad related sites/discussion groups. If it's been on this one already, I apologize; I just joined. Any help would be much appreciated. Best P.S. I'd be calling IBM on this, but my Thinkpad is a company-owned machine, and our PC support group has been trying to fix the problem. Presumbably they're in contact with IBM, but so far no solution. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 10:46:05 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00934 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16141; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 10:44:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16006; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15993; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (208.139.144.3 -> mail.advi.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 10:44:48 -0400 Received: from ecamin (s139149104.advi.net [208.139.149.104]) by mail.advi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA04519; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002901bea786$3bd4a340$68958bd0@ecamin> From: "Edwin A Camin" To: , Cc: References: <9fb08e7.247d5ccf@aol.com> Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 Modem No Longer Recognized Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:43:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I have the same problem. I upgraded my modem to the latest driver over the weekend and now after many hours I have finally gotten win95 to recognize the modem. However when I try to use the modem I get a message that the modem is not responding. What was really frustrating was that the update erased the entire devices folder and replaced it with a new set of files. Now I can't even get back to where I started before the update. I must have rebooted 20 times before it recognized the modem. I got the terrible "failure" message everytime it looked for the new driver. I'm about to call IBM. Ed nospamecamin@advi.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 10:18 AM Subject: ThinkPad 600 Modem No Longer Recognized > My ThinkPad 600 has lost contact with its internal modem. The modem used to > function on com 2. Windows 98 cannot find the modem now with its automated > hardware search. When I attempt to install manually, Windows indicates com > ports 3 and 4 are "open," and does not recognize com 2. Drivers from the IBM > website don't recognize the modem either. When Windows 98 does find a > device, it indicates the device is "unknown." If I direct Windows to the IBM > drivers, Windows indicates they are not the correct drivers for the device. > Very frustrating. This problem with slight variations is starting to turn up > on various ThinkPad related sites/discussion groups. If it's been on this > one already, I apologize; I just joined. Any help would be much appreciated. > > Best > > P.S. I'd be calling IBM on this, but my Thinkpad is a company-owned machine, > and our PC support group has been trying to fix the problem. Presumbably > they're in contact with IBM, but so far no solution. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 11:27:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01429 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19074; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 11:26:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18932; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-hub2.weeg.uiowa.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18919; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-hub2.weeg.uiowa.edu (128.255.56.22 -> mail-hub2.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 11:26:39 -0400 Received: from black.weeg.uiowa.edu (11732@black.weeg.uiowa.edu [128.255.56.4]) by mail-hub2.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-mh-1.4) with ESMTP id KAA19074 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:26:36 -0500 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by black.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-client-3.2) id KAA118898 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:26:36 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199905261526.KAA118898@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> Subject: [TP560x] 2 or 3 yrs ext. warranty? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:26:35 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: esmail@uiowa.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hiya, I'm coming up to the one year purchase date of my trusty TP560x (233-MMX) and I am thinking about purchasing the extended warranty >from IBM. The going rate is $99/year. The confusing thing is that I've heard/read that I can get a max of 2 additional years of coverage for this system. However, the IBM person I just talked to on the phone insisted that I can get an _additional_ _3_ of coverage (same rate of $99/year). He told me that this has been the case for at least the last 6 months. Has any one else heard this, or was this guy mistaken? Since IBM will only let me add coverage once, I have to decide now for how long to get it. Anyone have had good/bad experiences with the extended service? If it's the same as standard with which I've been happy I should be ok. I guess I'm wondering if the 3 years additional is true, if it's worth getting, or would 2 years be enough. Will these machines still be able to handle what we need to get done in 3 years? Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 11:38:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01581 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20303; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 11:37:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20113; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bups.bilkent.edu.tr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20075; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bups.bilkent.edu.tr (139.179.90.34 -> bups.bilkent.edu.tr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 11:37:01 -0400 Received: from bups.bilkent.edu.tr (lap-mark.bups.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.90.51]) by bups.bilkent.edu.tr (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA03290 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 18:36:23 +0300 Message-Id: <199905261536.SAA03290@bups.bilkent.edu.tr> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: unknown X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: inbox To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: e-mail address for IBM warranty Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:40:46 +0300 From: Mark List-Unsubscribe: My last attempt: Does anyone have an e-mail address for anyone at IBM concerning warranty coverage? I've got a US-warrantied TP600. I did not complete the international warranty registration before moving to Turkey. I'll be returning to the US shortly after my warranty expires, and I'd like to raise some warranty issues and inquire about purchasing the extended warranty before I return. ---- Mark Bergman -- Mark Bergman bergman@bups.bilkent.edu.tr Computer Coordinator 90-312-266-4961 x141 Bilkent University Prep School Ankara, Turkey From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 12:09:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA01998 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22887; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 12:08:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22740; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22721; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.112 -> pilot012.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 12:08:14 -0400 Received: from andres (pm530-23.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.225]) by pilot012.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA19866 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:08:10 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990526121033.008bcc00@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:10:33 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [TP560x] 2 or 3 yrs ext. warranty? In-Reply-To: <199905261526.KAA118898@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: My feeling is that for the case of a laptop, getting the extended service warrenty is a useful thing to do. Looking over the prices of the various parts, one good disaster can set you back more than $300, wiping out the 'savings' of not having a warrenty, even if you can do all the hardware work yourself. I always recommend it when one of my users asks about getting a laptop. As far as your machine being able to do the tasks needed in the future, it likely can, but will be pitifully slow, given the ever increasing corpulance of Micros##t software. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 10:26 AM 5/26/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hiya, > >I'm coming up to the one year purchase date of my trusty TP560x >(233-MMX) and I am thinking about purchasing the extended warranty >from IBM. > >The going rate is $99/year. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 12:25:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02230 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24721; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 12:24:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24535; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24504; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.116 -> pilot016.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 12:24:23 -0400 Received: from andres (pm528-06.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.108]) by pilot016.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA37134; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:24:18 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990526122638.008b6400@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:26:38 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: ThinkPad 600 Modem No Longer Recognized Cc: Underland@aol.com In-Reply-To: <9fb08e7.247d5ccf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: It isn't clear to me if you changed anything just before this problem started, but I would first test to see if the modem itself is still operating, by getting a terminal program like Telix. I'd boot into DOS mode and run it, then do an alt-P to specify the right com port, then do an "AT" command to see if the modem responds. I'd likely also have it dial some number (atdt 6651212) and see if it connects. Sorry if I misread you and this was really one of those wonderful Windows auto misconfigurations that occurs all too often. I always test the hardware itself out first, before blaming the op system from Hell. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 10:18 AM 5/26/99 EDT, Underland@aol.com wrote: >My ThinkPad 600 has lost contact with its internal modem. The modem used to >function on com 2. Windows 98 cannot find the modem now with its automated >hardware search. When I attempt to install manually, Windows indicates com >ports 3 and 4 are "open," and does not recognize com 2. Drivers from the IBM >website don't recognize the modem either. When Windows 98 does find a >device, it indicates the device is "unknown." If I direct Windows to the IBM >drivers, Windows indicates they are not the correct drivers for the device. >Very frustrating. This problem with slight variations is starting to turn up >on various ThinkPad related sites/discussion groups. If it's been on this >one already, I apologize; I just joined. Any help would be much appreciated. ... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 12:40:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02363 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26274; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 12:39:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26055; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26001; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 12:38:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12213 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:35:21 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: TP Vendors Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Have located vendor with low prices for TP's but can not find ratings for them - have tried www.resellerratings.com but there are no entires: LA Computer Center, eCOST.com, and pcWonders.com. Any one have experience with any of these vendors? Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 12:44:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02396 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26852; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 12:43:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26680; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26665; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.105 -> pilot005.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 12:43:16 -0400 Received: from andres (pm528-06.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.108]) by pilot005.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA71448 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:43:12 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990526124535.008badd0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:45:35 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: A squeaking keyboard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: My ThinkPad 1451 i Series is performing quite well after six weeks of use, but I've developed an odd squeaking in the backspace, enter and space keys. Depending on how where I hit them I get an annoying high pitched noise out of them. The return key is the worst, then backspace and finally space. If I remember to hit return on the right hand side I don't get the noise but thats hard for my finger to remember to do. Have others seen this problem? I'm not sure if there is anything I can do about it short of replacing the keyboard but thought I'd ask. It does get a little annoying after a while. Thanks, STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 13:10:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02617 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29296; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 13:08:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28994; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28969; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 13:08:04 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-313.gate.net [199.227.131.122]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA292368 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:09:36 -0400 Message-ID: <374C2A6E.A0C973C8@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:07:58 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP Vendors References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: There are several things to say here: 1. Almost EVERYONE sells from the SAME warehouse.. there are a few, like Ingram, Marisel, Tek Data, et al., 2. SOME online el-cheapo vendors add "fees" that drive the price up.. 3. others make their $$ by having traffic on their web sites and selling advertising.. i.e. they sell ads, not hardware.. 4. SOME will tell you they have the hardware, but in reality, they don't.. there is such a thing as "phantom stock".. yes, i sell new thinkpads too, and for the $$ at risk $2k to $5k for a profit of $50 or $100 there is little incentive unless i personally know the buyer or there are other considerations which make the transaction profitable.. additionally, while everyone wants the lowest price, there are other considerations like support and hand holding and more that make the lowest price not necessarily the best price.. so when you are bottom fishing for the best price you're giving up something for that low price.. so when you get your lowest price, let me know what it is and I may be able to meet it or beat it.. and STILL earn $50 or $100 on the transaction... rj wrote: > Have located vendor with low prices for TP's but can not find ratings for > them - have tried www.resellerratings.com but there are no entires: > LA Computer Center, eCOST.com, and pcWonders.com. Any one have > experience with any of these vendors? > > Thanks. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 13:18:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02709 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00877; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 13:17:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00716; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00690; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 13:17:45 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-313.gate.net [199.227.131.122]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA391848; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:19:09 -0400 Message-ID: <374C2CAB.EB855A57@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:17:31 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A squeaking keyboard References: <3.0.6.32.19990526124535.008badd0@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steve... sure sounds like a bad keyboard.. call for warranty service.. if possible, locate a local service center and have them get a new keyboard, then take it in and wait for replacement.. STeve Andre' wrote: > My ThinkPad 1451 i Series is performing quite well after six weeks > of use, but I've developed an odd squeaking in the backspace, enter > and space keys. > > Depending on how where I hit them I get an annoying high pitched noise > out of them. The return key is the worst, then backspace and finally > space. If I remember to hit return on the right hand side I don't get > the noise but thats hard for my finger to remember to do. > > Have others seen this problem? I'm not sure if there is anything I > can do about it short of replacing the keyboard but thought I'd ask. > It does get a little annoying after a while. > > Thanks, STeve Andre' > andres@pilot.msu.edu -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 13:24:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02774 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01745; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 13:23:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01618; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01605; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 13:23:09 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-313.gate.net [199.227.131.122]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA118326; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:24:14 -0400 Message-ID: <374C2DDC.4E4ABF38@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:22:36 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: e-mail address for IBM warranty References: <199905261536.SAA03290@bups.bilkent.edu.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark... who did you buy the TP-600 from..? ask them to handle this for you.. if they can't take care of it for you, then send me an e-mail at bill@thinkpads.com and i'll get some tel. numbers for you and/or an e-mail address.. but i need to dig up some paperwork or make a few calls to get the info and i'm busy at this moment.. :-) ALSO, i think someone said that there is a very good service center there in constantinople (istanbul).. :-)) it should be listed in the little international service center booklet that comes with your TP.. Mark wrote: > My last attempt: > > Does anyone have an e-mail address for anyone at IBM concerning > warranty coverage? > > I've got a US-warrantied TP600. I did not complete > the international warranty registration before moving to Turkey. I'll > be returning to the US shortly after my warranty expires, and I'd like > to raise some warranty issues and inquire about purchasing the > extended warranty before I return. > > ---- > Mark Bergman > > -- > Mark Bergman bergman@bups.bilkent.edu.tr > Computer Coordinator 90-312-266-4961 x141 > Bilkent University Prep School > Ankara, Turkey -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 13:27:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02796 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02401; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 13:25:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01998; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01985; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 13:25:31 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-313.gate.net [199.227.131.122]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA33094; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:26:59 -0400 Message-ID: <374C2E81.5A278265@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:25:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: esmail@uiowa.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] 2 or 3 yrs ext. warranty? References: <199905261526.KAA118898@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: if you plan to keep it that long (3 years more) then take the 3 year warranty.. ALSO, if you plan on selling the machine before the extended warranty expires, haveing that will add to the sale price.. Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > Hiya, > > I'm coming up to the one year purchase date of my trusty TP560x > (233-MMX) and I am thinking about purchasing the extended warranty > from IBM. > > The going rate is $99/year. > > The confusing thing is that I've heard/read that I can get a max of 2 > additional years of coverage for this system. However, the IBM person > I just talked to on the phone insisted that I can get an _additional_ > _3_ of coverage (same rate of $99/year). He told me that this has > been the case for at least the last 6 months. > > Has any one else heard this, or was this guy mistaken? > > Since IBM will only let me add coverage once, I have to decide now for > how long to get it. > > Anyone have had good/bad experiences with the extended service? If > it's the same as standard with which I've been happy I should be ok. > > I guess I'm wondering if the 3 years additional is true, if it's worth > getting, or would 2 years be enough. Will these machines still be able > to handle what we need to get done in 3 years? > > Esmail > ---- > Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 13:31:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02830 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02845; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 13:29:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02679; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-hub2.weeg.uiowa.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02666; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-hub2.weeg.uiowa.edu (128.255.56.22 -> mail-hub2.weeg.uiowa.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 13:29:46 -0400 Received: from black.weeg.uiowa.edu (11732@black.weeg.uiowa.edu [128.255.56.4]) by mail-hub2.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-mh-1.4) with ESMTP id MAA31562; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:29:42 -0500 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by black.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1/blue-client-3.2) id MAA116192; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:29:42 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199905261729.MAA116192@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> Subject: Re: [TP560x] 2 or 3 yrs ext. warranty? To: penzance@icanect.net (Bill Morrow) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:29:42 -0500 (CDT) Cc: esmail@uiowa.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: esmail@uiowa.edu In-Reply-To: <374C2E81.5A278265@icanect.net> from "Bill Morrow" at May 26, 1999 01:25:21 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow writes: > > if you plan to keep it that long (3 years more) then take the 3 year > warranty.. > ALSO, if you plan on selling the machine before the extended warranty expires, > haveing that will add to the sale price.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ good point, hadn't thought of that. Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 13:50:58 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03013 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05537; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 13:49:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05323; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05259; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 13:49:17 -0400 Received: from richard (209-122-225-197.s197.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.225.197]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17816; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990526133615.009af3a0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:49:27 -0400 To: Bill Morrow From: richard Subject: Re: TP Vendors Cc: ThinkPad List In-Reply-To: <374C2A6E.A0C973C8@icanect.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I recently bought a 570 from pczone. The return address on the box was pczone c/o airborne express warehouse (or something like that). I had the feeling airborne is maintaining a huge warehouse somewhere in the midwest and that vendors electronically transmit the buyer's name and address, which is printed on a packing slip and mailing label and sent off, never touched by the vendor's hands. BTW, the box came damaged. Pczones immediately shipped a replacement unit (without charge) and paid return shipping on the old unit. I don't think anyone (at least not online vendors) lets you return thinkpads other than shipping damage or maybe DOA. For the most part, service consists of "call IBM". The info we get from Bill Morrow vastly exceeds the level of service or info from any computer vendor I've encountered. It amuses me that onsale.com claims to be selling at IBM's wholesale price, and that a number of vendors undercut its prices, sometimes by a lot. Either the vendors are making money on advertising or they are running at losses while trying to increase revenue so they can do an IPO (if that's still possible). At 01:07 PM 5/26/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >There are several things to say here: >1. Almost EVERYONE sells from the SAME warehouse.. there are a few, like >Ingram, Marisel, Tek Data, et al., >2. SOME online el-cheapo vendors add "fees" that drive the price up.. >3. others make their $$ by having traffic on their web sites and selling >advertising.. i.e. they sell ads, not hardware.. >4. SOME will tell you they have the hardware, but in reality, they don't.. >there is such a thing as "phantom stock".. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 14:10:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03204 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07497; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:09:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07347; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07332; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:09:42 -0400 Received: from richard (209-122-225-197.s197.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.225.197]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA24924; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990526140219.009aad90@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:09:59 -0400 To: rj From: richard Subject: Re: TP Vendors Cc: Bill Morrow , ThinkPad List In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990526133615.009af3a0@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:54 PM 5/26/99 -0400, rj wrote: >Ummmm ... so why did not you purchase the 570 from Bill? Bill seems to find little incentive to sell new thinkpads. As he said: >yes, i sell new thinkpads too, and for the $$ at risk $2k to $5k for a profit >of $50 or $100 there is little incentive unless i personally know the buyer >or there are other considerations which make the transaction profitable. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 14:33:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03481 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09538; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:32:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09347; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.seanet.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09317; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.seanet.com (199.181.164.2 -> dns2.seanet.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:32:29 -0400 Received: from 204.182.122.139 ([204.182.122.139]) by mx.seanet.com (8.9.3/Seanet-8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24302; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:32:17 -0700 (PDT) From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: andres@pilot.msu.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A squeaking keyboard Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:29:18 -0700 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <+1DT34mip5+A092yn@islandnet.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990526124535.008badd0@pilot.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990526124535.008badd0@pilot.msu.edu> Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: If the squeaker in your TP is warfarin-resistant, you can always try bromone. In article <3.0.6.32.19990526124535.008badd0@pilot.msu.edu>, you wrote: : My ThinkPad 1451 i Series is performing quite well after six weeks :of use, but I've developed an odd squeaking in the backspace, enter :and space keys. : Unfortunately, cats are too large to get inside the unit. -- cheers Jonathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 14:37:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03520 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09996; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:36:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09866; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09840; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (128.143.2.9 -> mail.Virginia.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:36:18 -0400 Received: from node14.unix.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id ab13322; 26 May 99 14:36 EDT Received: (from jlh2r@localhost) by node14.unix.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.6) id OAA86772 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:36:14 -0400 From: John-Lee Pratt Holmes Message-Id: <199905261836.OAA86772@node14.unix.Virginia.EDU> Subject: Re: Real Audio on old Thinkpad? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:36:14 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" at May 26, 99 12:16:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Any of you oldtimers with the Thinkpad ever tried to hook up real audio on something like an old TP355? It seems to have olnly one port for either a sound card or modem. I don't know if it could handle above 14-4 (the internal modem is the old 9800 drip drop). If I could get a 28-8 to work in it then I thought that perhaps I could switch between the sound card and modem by downloading the RA file and then playing it as an internal file? Any suggestions would appreciated (I already know the first one: how bout a new computer, buddy? so you can skip to the second : I may take the first at any rate Thanks John Lee Holmes-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 14:41:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03561 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10657; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:39:18 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10183; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:39:16 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id OAA07429 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05488; Sat, 22 May 1999 20:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 May 1999 20:26:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA00917; Sat, 22 May 1999 17:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk In-Reply-To: <374748C2.7B190E26@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 22 May 1999, Bill Morrow wrote: Hi Bill, > you want to be a little more informative here.. ? :-) Okay, here we go :-) > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I finally got my ThinkPad 770Z 9549-8AU working correctly with the > > transition from my 385ED thanks to Jonathan, Bill, Donald, and anyone else > > I forgot to mention. Updated the BIOS and all the drivers and the system > > will hang during suspend and shutdown. It seems the Trackpoint IV drivers > > released on 5/20/99 fixed this problem with Win 98. Anyways, so far so > > good except I shutdown successfully and tried to cold boot, machine boots > > up with a Bios Error code 188 and I called up IBM HelpCenter and they told > > me that it takes 2-4 days after they receive it to fix the problem > > what IS the problem..what did 'they' say..?? The problem is that the EEPROM lost the Serial Number of the machine in the BIOS and needs to be reentered. > how will the hardware maintenance diskette help..?? It's needed to reenter the Serial Number back into the EEPROM. This is documented in HMM Volume 4 under Error Code 188. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > which > > takes only 20 minutes if I can get ahold of the IBM ThinkPad Hardware > > Maintenance Disk, does anyone have a copy of this they can e-mail me or > > where I can find it on the net? I really need my machine working to > > maintain the ISPs I operate and the financial markets. Thanks in advance > > for anyone that can help. > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > -- > Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... > > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, > Done on a > closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 14:46:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03691 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11774; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:40:28 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10415; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:40:26 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id OAA07447 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18206; Mon, 24 May 1999 16:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 May 1999 16:38:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA13139; Mon, 24 May 1999 13:38:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:38:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Cottrell, Eric" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: MPEG Video. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 May 1999, Cottrell, Eric wrote: Hello Eric and everyone, > DVD is based on the MPEG-2 standard with some additions to handle zones, > etc. Just to not confuse people. There are 5 different DVD standards. DVD Video is the one that is for Video while there will be DVD Audio which is 5.1 channels at 24bit 192kHz sampling available later. DVD-ROM is what's used on computers such as the ThinkPad and DVD-RAM is the write once DVD for computers and then there is DVD-RW which is DVD-RAM that's rewriteable like CD-RW except for DVD. > Both MPEG Video and Audio is a digital lossy compression scheme. The > encoder can control the amount of compression done (determines the > output bit rate of the digital stream) and this controls the amount of > loss. MPEG Video uses compression. The MPEG Audio is not digital lossy yet since that's only for the new DVD Audio Format from Meridian to do 24bit at 192kHz sampling. I know the Audio uses some form of compression, probably close to MPEG-I Level III. > The quality of the encoder and decoder (and the software behind it) > also determines the quality of the video. On DVD the output bit rate > is fixed, but on digital satellite stuff you see more difference > depending on how many channels of video and audio they are trying to > stuff into one output stream. The bit rate is fixed at 8bit I think. However, many of the high-end DVD players do 10bit. > The MPEG video compression is finding patterns and differences between > frames of the movie. If there is not much action then some of the > output stream are null packets that are just filler. As the action > increases it takes more and more bits to fully account for the frame. > I find some encoders start dumping detail when they are railed at the > output steam limit and you get colored blocks in the picture. This is true, especially with the lower-end stuff. > You tend to need something like a P2 400 or 450 to do good playback of > DVD. This is due to the processor having to read a millions bits per > second data stream, decode the packets (undoing the various > compressions) and creating a 24 bit color image that is 640x400 every > 1/30th of a second as well as a sound stream at 96 kbps or so. A > hardware decoder would likely have a Demux that separates the stream > into video and audio streams and feeds them to separate video and > audio decoders. It also syncs the two streams and allows the computer > to read any control streams and information. MPEG Video decoders are > generally RISC based special purpose processors running at 60 MHz or > so. A somewhat simpler special purpose chip is used for audio > (Crystal has a really neat (and small) chip that after you load the > microcode into it you feed a mpeg audio stream in one pin and get out > two analog stereo signals on other pins. Speaking about Pentium II processors, how much of a performance difference is there between the ones used in the ThinkPad compared to the Celeron and the actual Pentium II used in desktops like the 366Mhz PII ThinkPad for example since I noticed the bus for the TP is still 66Mhz compared to 100 for the desktops. I believe both Crystal and Burr-Brown have good quality chips to do the Digital to Analog Conversion. > Showing the random noise on TVs not receiving a TV station is other > example of a difficult subject to compress as there is a lot of > differences between each frame. Yep, that's true. I even noticed with my SONY DVP-S7000 that the problem occurs sometimes. It doesn't occur on my Theta Voyager transport though. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 14:47:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03728 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12005; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:41:23 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10642; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:41:21 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id OAA07468 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from julius.rts.com.au (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16643; Tue, 25 May 1999 10:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from julius.rts.com.au (203.56.255.6 -> julius.rts.com.au) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 May 1999 10:04:10 -0400 Received: from ppp124.rts.com.au (ppp124.rts.com.au [203.56.255.152]) by julius.rts.com.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA31066 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:03:52 +0800 Received: by ppp124.rts.com.au with Microsoft Mail id <01BEA6FA.68B85BE0@ppp124.rts.com.au>; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:03:24 +0800 Message-ID: <01BEA6FA.68B85BE0@ppp124.rts.com.au> From: Greg To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: docking station confusion Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:03:22 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Can someone point me to which one i need for my machine i have a Thinkpad 360cse model 2620 d-50 i want a unit that has the sound and drive bay in it for cdrom etc. The ibm page confuses me From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 14:48:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03770 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11995; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:41:40 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10702; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:41:38 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id OAA07479 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01264; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (192.134.240.50 -> uhbhic.uhb.fr) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 13:21:22 -0400 Received: from uhb.fr (pb2261.rec.uhb.fr [172.16.162.3]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id TAA19310 ; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:21:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <374C2CE3.434090AD@uhb.fr> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:18:27 +0200 From: "Nom Prénom" Organization: Université Rennes 2 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [fr] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Geza Szivos/SIVCO CC: Jean-Pierre Diebold , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP770ED]: Using a Plextor CDRecorder References: <2B1BE52778DF5AE38725677700790BD4.0000000000000000@sivco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id OAA11995 Geza Szivos/SIVCO a =E9crit: >=20 > I have the EXTERNAL version and using the Adaptec PCMCIA to write to th= e > drive. > I'm happy with the 8/20 version. >=20 By the way, which Adaptec Card are you using (1460 or 1480) ? And what would be the point of using the 1480 (scsi 2) instead of the 1460 ? Thanks ! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 14:48:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03778 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12099; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:42:27 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10844; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (128.169.92.76 -> VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:42:22 -0400 Received: (from judi@localhost) by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v3.2) id OAA07494 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06156; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 13:58:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21339; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:54:41 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: richard cc: Bill Morrow , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP Vendors In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990526133615.009af3a0@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Ummmm ... so why did not you purchase the 570 from Bill? On Wed, 26 May 1999, richard wrote: > I recently bought a 570 from pczone. The return address on the box was > pczone c/o airborne express warehouse (or something like that). I had the > feeling airborne is maintaining a huge warehouse somewhere in the midwest > and that vendors electronically transmit the buyer's name and address, > which is printed on a packing slip and mailing label and sent off, never > touched by the vendor's hands. > > BTW, the box came damaged. Pczones immediately shipped a replacement unit > (without charge) and paid return shipping on the old unit. I don't think > anyone (at least not online vendors) lets you return thinkpads other than > shipping damage or maybe DOA. For the most part, service consists of "call > IBM". The info we get from Bill Morrow vastly exceeds the level of service > or info from any computer vendor I've encountered. > > It amuses me that onsale.com claims to be selling at IBM's wholesale price, > and that a number of vendors undercut its prices, sometimes by a lot. > Either the vendors are making money on advertising or they are running at > losses while trying to increase revenue so they can do an IPO (if that's > still possible). > > At 01:07 PM 5/26/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >There are several things to say here: > >1. Almost EVERYONE sells from the SAME warehouse.. there are a few, like > >Ingram, Marisel, Tek Data, et al., > >2. SOME online el-cheapo vendors add "fees" that drive the price up.. > >3. others make their $$ by having traffic on their web sites and selling > >advertising.. i.e. they sell ads, not hardware.. > >4. SOME will tell you they have the hardware, but in reality, they don't.. > >there is such a thing as "phantom stock".. > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 14:53:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03808 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12934; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:52:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12706; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12669; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:52:24 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-313.gate.net [199.227.131.122]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA26116 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:53:56 -0400 Message-ID: <374C42E2.925C59A9@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:52:18 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Crucial Memory (Micron) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I just learned why Crucial (micron) has been selling memory at very low prices.. three very large hardware manufacturers rejected several very large memory orders due to a high drop out rate of these parts, so they need to sell this stuff someplace for whatever they can get.. suffice it to say that you will get what you pay for.. low price in this case mean low quality.. Bill Morrow From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 14:57:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03847 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13743; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:56:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13576; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13556; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:56:29 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-313.gate.net [199.227.131.122]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA344658; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:57:58 -0400 Message-ID: <374C43D5.E9258907@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:56:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP Vendors References: <4.1.19990526133615.009af3a0@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: as an aside.. i one got a new 770X (when they were VERY RARE) delivered by fedex.. it had been raining very heavily.. the outer box was soaked through, the inner box was not.. i could have returned it, but.. my customer is still happily using that machine and why beat up fedex over a wet box.. haveing said that, this is where some of the great bargains come from.. a damaged box and a perfect machine inside.. richard wrote: > I recently bought a 570 from pczone. The return address on the box was > pczone c/o airborne express warehouse (or something like that). I had the > feeling airborne is maintaining a huge warehouse somewhere in the midwest > and that vendors electronically transmit the buyer's name and address, > which is printed on a packing slip and mailing label and sent off, never > touched by the vendor's hands. > > BTW, the box came damaged. Pczones immediately shipped a replacement unit > (without charge) and paid return shipping on the old unit. I don't think > anyone (at least not online vendors) lets you return thinkpads other than > shipping damage or maybe DOA. For the most part, service consists of "call > IBM". The info we get from Bill Morrow vastly exceeds the level of service > or info from any computer vendor I've encountered. > > It amuses me that onsale.com claims to be selling at IBM's wholesale price, > and that a number of vendors undercut its prices, sometimes by a lot. > Either the vendors are making money on advertising or they are running at > losses while trying to increase revenue so they can do an IPO (if that's > still possible). > > At 01:07 PM 5/26/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >There are several things to say here: > >1. Almost EVERYONE sells from the SAME warehouse.. there are a few, like > >Ingram, Marisel, Tek Data, et al., > >2. SOME online el-cheapo vendors add "fees" that drive the price up.. > >3. others make their $$ by having traffic on their web sites and selling > >advertising.. i.e. they sell ads, not hardware.. > >4. SOME will tell you they have the hardware, but in reality, they don't.. > >there is such a thing as "phantom stock".. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 15:03:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03904 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14800; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 15:01:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14533; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14501; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 15:01:41 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-313.gate.net [199.227.131.122]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA138194; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:03:07 -0400 Message-ID: <374C4509.9B12D0B@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:01:29 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: rj , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP Vendors References: <4.1.19990526133615.009af3a0@pop.rcn.com> <4.1.19990526140219.009aad90@pop.rcn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Still $50 is $50 and even if i can't make that $50, i can still get points from one or the other of the vendors i use, thus i get something eventually, but the hard part is the CC fee.. so i just send some people to one of muy vendors, they take the CC and i get a $50 or $100 check later from the customer or my "points".. this business has changed to the point that one really must offer more than just hardware.. as a PC VAR i'm supposed to add value by either memory or other hardware to the system, or software or some such thing.. richard wrote: > At 01:54 PM 5/26/99 -0400, rj wrote: > >Ummmm ... so why did not you purchase the 570 from Bill? > > Bill seems to find little incentive to sell new thinkpads. As he said: > > >yes, i sell new thinkpads too, and for the $$ at risk $2k to $5k for a profit > >of $50 or $100 there is little incentive unless i personally know the buyer > >or there are other considerations which make the transaction profitable. -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 15:04:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03928 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14130; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:58:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13914; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13867; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 14:58:07 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-313.gate.net [199.227.131.122]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA51070; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:59:32 -0400 Message-ID: <374C4432.ABCECC27@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:57:54 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rj CC: richard , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP Vendors References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: 1. i don't advertise heavily, 2. the 570 is still hard to find.. rj wrote: > Ummmm ... so why did not you purchase the 570 from Bill? > > On Wed, 26 May 1999, richard wrote: > > > I recently bought a 570 from pczone. The return address on the box was > > pczone c/o airborne express warehouse (or something like that). I had the > > feeling airborne is maintaining a huge warehouse somewhere in the midwest > > and that vendors electronically transmit the buyer's name and address, > > which is printed on a packing slip and mailing label and sent off, never > > touched by the vendor's hands. > > > > BTW, the box came damaged. Pczones immediately shipped a replacement unit > > (without charge) and paid return shipping on the old unit. I don't think > > anyone (at least not online vendors) lets you return thinkpads other than > > shipping damage or maybe DOA. For the most part, service consists of "call > > IBM". The info we get from Bill Morrow vastly exceeds the level of service > > or info from any computer vendor I've encountered. > > > > It amuses me that onsale.com claims to be selling at IBM's wholesale price, > > and that a number of vendors undercut its prices, sometimes by a lot. > > Either the vendors are making money on advertising or they are running at > > losses while trying to increase revenue so they can do an IPO (if that's > > still possible). > > > > At 01:07 PM 5/26/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >There are several things to say here: > > >1. Almost EVERYONE sells from the SAME warehouse.. there are a few, like > > >Ingram, Marisel, Tek Data, et al., > > >2. SOME online el-cheapo vendors add "fees" that drive the price up.. > > >3. others make their $$ by having traffic on their web sites and selling > > >advertising.. i.e. they sell ads, not hardware.. > > >4. SOME will tell you they have the hardware, but in reality, they don't.. > > >there is such a thing as "phantom stock".. > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 15:42:24 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04365 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18201; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 15:40:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17797; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17765; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (209.133.104.8 -> mb3.mailbank.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 15:39:56 -0400 Received: from lauraf (e196-barter.starcon.com [207.230.236.196]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA11511 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:39:52 -0700 Message-ID: <008c01bea7af$81a45ae0$c4ece6cf@lauraf.bbe.ca> From: "David Crombie" To: Subject: 560 i memory Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:39:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0083_01BEA774.D0D1AE00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01BEA774.D0D1AE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anybody tell me what the max memery is for the 560i?? 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Can anybody tell me what the max = memery is for=20 the 560i??
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0083_01BEA774.D0D1AE00-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 15:42:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04375 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18195; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 15:40:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17836; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17783; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 15:40:04 -0400 Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA31801; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:40:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA09280; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 26 May 1999 15:35:08 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: Geza Szivos/SIVCO , "'Nom Prinom'" Cc: Jean-Pierre Diebold , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: [TP770ED]: Using a Plextor CDRecorder Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:34:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, The 1460 is PC Card (PCMCIA) Card while the 1480 is a 32 bit Cardbus card. You can get a SCSI-2 cable for the 1460 (I have both SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 Cables). I would think either would work for the Plextor although if I had a later Thinkpad that supports Cardbus and no SCSI card I would go for the 1480 just to have the best performance. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com ---------- From: Nom Prinom [SMTP:prenom.nom@Uhb.Fr] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 1:18 PM To: Geza Szivos/SIVCO Cc: Jean-Pierre Diebold; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP770ED]: Using a Plextor CDRecorder By the way, which Adaptec Card are you using (1460 or 1480) ? And what would be the point of using the 1480 (scsi 2) instead of the 1460 ? Thanks ! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 16:29:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA04829 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21592; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 16:28:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21449; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21428; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 16:28:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08754; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:24:29 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Bill Morrow cc: richard , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP Vendors In-Reply-To: <374C43D5.E9258907@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Not to be argumentative but when FexEx is transporting your goods they should take care of the items. Even if the innermost package was not compromised the condition of the outter box was and could have resulted in damage. Personally I would have ripped them a new .... if for no other reason than to hopefully set a process in motion to "prevent" such in the future. I'll go back to sleep now... > as an aside.. > > i one got a new 770X (when they were VERY RARE) delivered by fedex.. > it had been raining very heavily.. > the outer box was soaked through, the inner box was not.. > i could have returned it, but.. > my customer is still happily using that machine and why beat up fedex over a > wet box.. > > haveing said that, this is where some of the great bargains come from.. a From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 18:27:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06256 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 18:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27557; Wed, 26 May 1999 18:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 18:26:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27394; Wed, 26 May 1999 18:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27380; Wed, 26 May 1999 18:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 18:26:21 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-313.gate.net [199.227.131.122]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA198136; Wed, 26 May 1999 18:27:51 -0400 Message-ID: <374C7505.F70D48A3@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:26:13 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Crombie CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 i memory References: <008c01bea7af$81a45ae0$c4ece6cf@lauraf.bbe.ca> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------EEDE4E43724491639E133B34" List-Unsubscribe: --------------EEDE4E43724491639E133B34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 72meg David Crombie wrote: > Can anybody tell me what the max memery is for the > 560i?? Thanks David Crombiedavid@crombie.com -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. --------------EEDE4E43724491639E133B34 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 72meg

David Crombie wrote:

 Can anybody tell me what the max memery is for the 560i?? Thanks David Crombiedavid@crombie.com
 

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** Bill Morrow **   :-)
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770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...

Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a
closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..
  --------------EEDE4E43724491639E133B34-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 19:15:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06875 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29562; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 19:14:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29436; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29423; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (207.115.58.198 -> pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 19:14:37 -0400 Received: from prodigy.net (TXCYB103-47.splitrock.net [209.253.59.95]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA43768 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 19:14:34 -0400 Message-ID: <374D2928.81529B0B@prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 06:14:48 -0500 From: Ebert Steele Reply-To: k5cad@prodigy.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad memory References: <4d3c2cfa.247b705b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I'm new to this list and new to laptops. Have TP 760ED type 9546 U3A. Have a sealed 92G7342 Non-Parity SO DIMM Memory Upgrade Option by IBM. Have gone to the ThinkPad support page and can't figure out if that option is supported by my machine. I find that number in the FRU P/N list but not the Option P/N list. What does FRU mean? Is that 92G7342 on the box of the memory option an Option P/n or a FRU P/N? Will it fit my machine? Thanks for your help Ebert Steele From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 20:03:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07288 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01837; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 20:02:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01632; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01604; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (142.90.100.1 -> erich.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 20:02:01 -0400 Received: from pmachule ([142.90.120.3]) by erich.triumf.ca with SMTP for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 26 May 1999 17:01:50 -0700 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" Cc: Subject: Re: Thinkpad memory Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:06:48 -0700 Message-ID: <01bea7d4$d09b5a20$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Welcome to our list . 92G7342 32MB is supported by that machine . It is the option part # Even says so on Roger Dodson thinkpad info page on the 9546 U3A . ;-} ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/twbook.pdf GET IT !! BTW the manual for the 760E ED EL is available in .pdf format . ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/76eusegd.pdf FRU is Field Replacement/Replaceable Unit . It's a way of creating more part numbers( for the same part ) so that Tech support calls and parts procurement take a lot longer. It servs no other purpose . (grin) I'm actually Not kidding ........ Sigh...... ..peter... -----Original Message----- From: Ebert Steele To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, May 27, 1999 4:14 AM Subject: Re: Thinkpad memory >Hi, > >I'm new to this list and new to laptops. Have TP 760ED type 9546 U3A. > >Have a sealed 92G7342 Non-Parity SO DIMM Memory Upgrade Option by IBM. >Have gone to the ThinkPad support page and can't figure out if that >option is supported by my machine. I find that number in the FRU P/N >list but not the Option P/N list. > >What does FRU mean? > >Is that 92G7342 on the box of the memory option an Option P/n or a FRU >P/N? Will it fit my machine? > >Thanks for your help > >Ebert Steele From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 20:18:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07436 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02728; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 20:17:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02521; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02486; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (198.161.157.104 -> edtnps04.telusplanet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 20:15:52 -0400 Received: from clgr000018.hs.telusplanet.net ([161.184.80.18]:63508 "HELO tp770xgsnt.sivco.com") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <444902-23832> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Wed, 26 May 1999 18:15:37 -0600 From: Geza Szivos/SIVCO Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:17:55 -0600 To: "Nom =?iso-8859-1?q?Pr=E9nom?=" cc: Geza Szivos/SIVCO , Jean-Pierre Diebold , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP770ED]: Using a Plextor CDRecorder Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id UAA02728 I'm using the 1460 but I have SCSI 1 & SCSI 2 cables. I don't know anyting about the 1480 card. Geza "Nom Pr=E9nom" on 05/26/99 11:18:27 AM To: Geza Szivos/SIVCO cc: Jean-Pierre Diebold , THINKPAD@cs.utk.ed= u=20 FaxTo:=20 Subject: Re: [TP770ED]: Using a Plextor CDRecorder Geza Szivos/SIVCO a =E9crit: >=20 > I have the EXTERNAL version and using the Adaptec PCMCIA to write to th= e > drive. > I'm happy with the 8/20 version. >=20 By the way, which Adaptec Card are you using (1460 or 1480) ? And what would be the point of using the 1480 (scsi 2) instead of the 1460 ? Thanks ! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 20:34:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07599 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03544; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 20:33:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03410; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03377; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 20:32:18 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-6.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.6]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA11764; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990526203743.0139264c@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:37:43 -0400 To: Greg , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: docking station confusion In-Reply-To: <01BEA6FA.68B85BE0@ppp124.rts.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:03 PM 5/25/99 +0800, Greg wrote: >Can someone point me to which one i need for my machine >i have a Thinkpad 360cse model 2620 d-50 >i want a unit that has the sound and drive bay in it for cdrom etc. >The ibm page confuses me Look for a 3546 series model of docking station. They are discontinued, so you can find them for a really good price. They include bays and ISA expansion slots. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 20:37:16 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07625 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04027; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 20:35:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03708; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caffeine.internal.enteract.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03695; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caffeine.internal.enteract.com (207.229.129.24 -> caffeine.internal.enteract.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 20:35:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 19212 invoked from network); 27 May 1999 00:35:48 -0000 Received: from 207-229-173-23.d.enteract.com (207.229.173.23) by caffeine.internal.enteract.com with SMTP; 27 May 1999 00:35:48 -0000 From: mocek@azb.com (Stan Mocek) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560x] 2 or 3 yrs ext. warranty? Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:40:01 -0500 Reply-To: mocek@azb.com Message-ID: <374c91d9.3587380@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199905261526.KAA118898@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> In-Reply-To: <199905261526.KAA118898@black.weeg.uiowa.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 26 May 1999 10:26:35 -0500 (CDT), Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: >Hiya, > >I'm coming up to the one year purchase date of my trusty TP560x >(233-MMX) and I am thinking about purchasing the extended warranty >from IBM. >Anyone have had good/bad experiences with the extended service? If >it's the same as standard with which I've been happy I should be ok. I can relate a very recent experience with EasyServe and my refurb 560x that I bought last Septmber. I had reported here last week that my left mouse button on the palm rest would only function for a few clicks after boot-up, and then die. I tried a complete reinstall from the recovery CD and that didn't work. So on Thursday of last week, I called in and asked that they pick up the notebook at work, the next day. On Friday an Airborne Express courier picked up the notebook and gave me a tracking number. On Tuesday (yesterday!) I called and was told it had been shipped back to me Monday night. A little bit later, my 560x was delivered right back to my work place, with a clean screen, a new keyboard and new track-point eraser head. I was, to say the least, very impressed. >I guess I'm wondering if the 3 years additional is true, if it's worth >getting, or would 2 years be enough. Will these machines still be able >to handle what we need to get done in 3 years? That all depends on what you want to do, I may pop for one more year as by then I'll probably be trying to find a refurb or close-out 560z It's been said before, but it's certainly true. It makes you feel that you spent your money wisely, especially after reading some of the service horror stories on comp.sys.laptops. -- Stan Mocek mocek@azb.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 21:42:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA08221 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06595; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 21:41:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06348; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06335; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 21:41:18 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-23.gate.net [207.36.212.23]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA84282; Wed, 26 May 1999 21:42:50 -0400 Message-ID: <374CA2B8.1D001236@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:41:12 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: k5cad@prodigy.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad memory References: <4d3c2cfa.247b705b@aol.com> <374D2928.81529B0B@prodigy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ebert.. FRU = Field Replacement Unit 92G7342 is a 32meg part for the 380/385 and 310 thinkpads.. Ebert Steele wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to this list and new to laptops. Have TP 760ED type 9546 U3A. > > Have a sealed 92G7342 Non-Parity SO DIMM Memory Upgrade Option by IBM. > Have gone to the ThinkPad support page and can't figure out if that > option is supported by my machine. I find that number in the FRU P/N > list but not the Option P/N list. > > What does FRU mean? > > Is that 92G7342 on the box of the memory option an Option P/n or a FRU > P/N? Will it fit my machine? > > Thanks for your help > > Ebert Steele -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 22:07:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08472 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07647; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 22:06:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07497; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cbh.com.au (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07482; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:06:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.cbh.com.au (203.38.67.74) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 22:06:04 -0400 Received: by mail.cbh.com.au(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4825677E.000BC04F ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:08:21 +0800 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CBH To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <4825677E.000B8729.00@mail.cbh.com.au> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:07:47 +0800 Subject: Thinkpad NT stuff Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Hi just a quick question.. Anybody know how far are IBM away from releasing a Fuel Gauge program for NT4? thaks Paul From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 23:06:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08779 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09945; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 23:05:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09728; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09715; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 23:05:11 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18531; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <374CB651.2659D41E@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:04:49 -0400 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: paul.culmsee@cbh.com.au CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad NT stuff References: <4825677E.000B8729.00@mail.cbh.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: paul.culmsee@cbh.com.au wrote: > Anybody know how far are IBM away from releasing a Fuel Gauge program for > NT4? For what ThinkPad? I could swear I had one in NT4 for my 600. It was probably part of the ThinkPad Utilities (the same package that contains the ThinkPad Configuration program). --Lee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 23:20:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08876 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10766; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 23:19:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10635; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.softwarespectrum.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10612; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.softwarespectrum.com (198.200.41.18 -> mail2.swspectrum.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 23:19:37 -0400 Received: by SSIAM008 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:17:52 -0500 Message-ID: <6DB879346436D21198C500A0C9E1E1237FC8F1@ssiwgn03.swspectrum.co.nz> From: Nathan Mercer To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Win2000 beta 3 PRO Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:27:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" List-Unsubscribe: Hi Any body had any issues running Win2000 Pro beta3 on a TP 770ED? It installs fine for me, but does a full hardware lockup after I reboot the machine the first time! Any ideas.... (this didn't happen with earlier builds!) Cheers Nathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 23:39:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08979 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11640; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 23:38:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11535; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww181.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11522; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww181.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.81 -> ww181.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 23:38:31 -0400 Received: (qmail 494 invoked by uid 60001); 27 May 1999 03:38:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990527033829.493.qmail@ww181.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.81 by ww181 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Thu May 27 03:38:29 GMT 1999 Date: 26 May 99 22:38:29 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Nathan Mercer , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [Win2000 beta 3 PRO] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Not exactly the same, but I have installed and run Win2000 Pro Beta 3 on = a 770 (not ED). I don't use it much, but it does boot fine. Have you checked out the MS support web site for this issue? At what poi= nt does the system lock up? Rob Nathan Mercer wrote: > Hi > = > Any body had any issues running Win2000 Pro beta3 on a TP 770ED? > It installs fine for me, but does a full hardware lockup after I reboot= the > machine the first time! > = > Any ideas.... (this didn't happen with earlier builds!) > = > Cheers > Nathan ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed May 26 23:49:34 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA09071 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12407; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 May 1999 23:48:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12266; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12253; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 May 1999 23:48:35 -0400 Received: from MACGREGOR (mg135-048.ricochet.net [204.179.135.48]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA01900; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:48:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002301bea7f3$b8cac2e0$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Nathan Mercer" , References: <6DB879346436D21198C500A0C9E1E1237FC8F1@ssiwgn03.swspectrum.co.nz> Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:47:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I'm running W2k Professional B3 on my TP600 and everything has been very smooth. Your problem is almost certainly BIOS related. There has been a flurry of new BIOS's for exactly this reason in the last month. Check the IBM ThinkPad support web site. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathan Mercer To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 8:27 PM Subject: Win2000 beta 3 PRO > Hi > > Any body had any issues running Win2000 Pro beta3 on a TP 770ED? > It installs fine for me, but does a full hardware lockup after I reboot the > machine the first time! > > Any ideas.... (this didn't happen with earlier builds!) > > Cheers > Nathan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 01:34:20 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09669 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15623; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 01:33:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15418; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15404; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 01:32:59 -0400 Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA04927; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id BAA13570; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: Lee Hetherington Cc: paul.culmsee@cbh.com.au, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad NT stuff References: <4825677E.000B8729.00@mail.cbh.com.au> <374CB651.2659D41E@sls.lcs.mit.edu> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 27 May 1999 01:32:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: Lee Hetherington's message of "Wed, 26 May 1999 23:04:49 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: Lee Hetherington writes: > For what ThinkPad? I could swear I had one in NT4 for my 600. It was > probably part of the ThinkPad Utilities (the same package that contains the > ThinkPad Configuration program). Yes, it is part of that install. I'm looking at in on a NT4SP4 560 right now. Peace, dNb From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 01:37:19 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09691 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15947; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 01:36:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15782; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15769; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 01:36:17 -0400 Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA05028; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id BAA13576; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: "David W. Taylor" Cc: Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO References: <6DB879346436D21198C500A0C9E1E1237FC8F1@ssiwgn03.swspectrum.co.nz> <002301bea7f3$b8cac2e0$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 27 May 1999 01:36:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: "David W. Taylor"'s message of "Wed, 26 May 1999 20:47:59 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: "David W. Taylor" writes: > I'm running W2k Professional B3 on my TP600 and everything has been very > smooth. Do you mind elaborating on this? When you say "smooth" do you mean that you use it as your regular OS on that machine? Has it broken anything (let's say in relation to NT4, if you used to use that) that you've noticed? I'm toying with the idea of loading this on a forthcoming 570 for everyday use. Thanks. Peace, dNb From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 02:03:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA09968 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 02:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17489; Thu, 27 May 1999 02:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 02:02:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17358; Thu, 27 May 1999 02:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw1adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17345; Thu, 27 May 1999 02:02:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail-gw1adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (151.164.30.51 -> mail-gw1.rcsntx.swbell.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 02:02:50 -0400 Received: from p350 (ppp-207-193-227-218.hstntx.swbell.net [207.193.227.218]) by mail-gw1adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA20008 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:02:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005501bea806$8acfd8e0$dae3c1cf@p350> To: References: <199905241131.HAA22059@pike.sover.net> Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 01:02:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: And this is exactly the point I was trying to make. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Vincent Poy ; Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 6:27 AM Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hardware Maintenance Disk > >>I don't know why you or anyone is complaining. Since this is discussion of > >the topic. > > Because after a point there is nothing new in your discussion. And when a > discussion reaches such a point it sounds like two pals chit-chating > instead of saying something significant -- and that becomes tiring. > > > _____________ > letoured@sover.net > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 02:12:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA10005 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 02:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18128; Thu, 27 May 1999 02:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 02:11:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17997; Thu, 27 May 1999 02:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cbh.com.au (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17984; Thu, 27 May 1999 02:11:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.cbh.com.au (203.38.67.74) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 02:11:14 -0400 Received: by mail.cbh.com.au(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4825677E.00223735 ; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:13:43 +0800 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CBH To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <4825677E.0021AE2B.00@mail.cbh.com.au> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:13:06 +0800 Subject: Re: Thinkpad NT stuff Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: I have been onto IBM's site and it says that Fuel Gauge has not yet been written for the 390. I had no idea that it was so hardware specific. This is quoted from the Thinkpad 390 online forum at http://www6a.pc.ibm.com:8080/~ThinkPad/login "The Fuel Gauge program is not a supported feature on NT ThinkPads at this time. We may possibly add that feature to future NT machines. Any updates will be listed in the ThinkPad FAQ area of the discussion forums." I have a 390E 2626EOM model which does not have the NT image but the 98 one. The CD does have all the NT drivers and the Thinkpad utility on this CD does not contain a fuel gauge.. If other Thinkpad models have it, then isn't it fairly dumb to bring out the first Thinkpad with a NT based preload, but not supply a fairly important utility that other models (without an NT preload) have? Paul From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 02:22:01 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA10085 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 02:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18838; Thu, 27 May 1999 02:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 02:21:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18686; Thu, 27 May 1999 02:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rzcomm1.rz.tu-bs.de (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18666; Thu, 27 May 1999 02:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rzcomm1.rz.tu-bs.de (134.169.9.107 -> rzcomm1.rz.tu-bs.de) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 02:21:06 -0400 Received: from tu-bs.de (sanfran.org-chem.nat.tu-bs.de [134.169.19.185]) by rzcomm1.rz.tu-bs.de (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA24252 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:21:03 +0200 (METDST) Message-ID: <374CE434.1BF01E67@tu-bs.de> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:20:36 +0200 From: Norman Goldberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 04:19:37 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA10675 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25578; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 04:14:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25147; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25134; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 04:14:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA28485; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:14:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 01:14:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Paul Schnettler cc: thinkpad reply Subject: Re: Audio,wattage and DVD In-Reply-To: <374BFC60.28C59AFD@ssec.wisc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 26 May 1999, Paul Schnettler wrote: Hi Paul, > I guess an apology is in order. I guess I owe you a apology too for flaming you back. > My frustration at the pong game that seemed to be going on in the list > seemed to punch my panic button. That, and a really bad day got the > better of me. Yeah, yesterday wasn't a good day for me either. Especially losing $30,000 in stocks. > One of the problem with this crazy medium is one looses sight of the personal > nature of one remarks. I did that yesterday, I'm sorry. I'm sorry too. > Back to wattage. I'm fully aware of the importance of high current > amplifiers. (I've recently gotten into building a tube amp for my > son's base guitar) Yep, a tube amp is a really good example since you'll be amazed how powerful a 5watt tube amp is. > My point was more directed at the frustration you seemed to be having > with the 1 watt thinkpad speaker driven by a very simple "amplifier" > circuit which should be in no way compared to anyones stereo > system...but then I really didn't convey that in my caustic note. > Again, I am sorry. Yeah, I know what you mean. I just mean for a machine that costs this much, it's supposed to be atleast decent. > Watts are watts, a measurement of power based on current and > voltage.I've never heard of any different way of defining it. If an > audiophile wants to develope a new standard for evaluating the power > output of a stereo system they will have to petition the IEEE for > inclusion... That's true but how efficient each watt is, is a different issue. > there is no way a portable notebook computer is going to provide the high > current drive your post seemed to suggest. If you want to discuss the relative > merits of amplifier design I would be glad to anytime. I know what you mean, I was just stating that it seemed like the lower end ThinkPad's seemed to have more sound output. I'm guess it also depends on how har you are from the speakers. I was wondering how IBM decided to put the speakers on the 770's in the front and not on the top or bottom of the keyboard like Toshiba does. > I bow to your seniority as a listmember, Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 04:26:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA10715 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26086; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 04:22:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25864; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25851; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 04:22:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA28540; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:22:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 01:22:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Mark cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: e-mail address for IBM warranty In-Reply-To: <199905261536.SAA03290@bups.bilkent.edu.tr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 26 May 1999, Mark wrote: Hello Mark, > My last attempt: > > Does anyone have an e-mail address for anyone at IBM concerning > warranty coverage? You might want to try eqanda@us.ibm.com and see if it works for you. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 04:32:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA10752 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26751; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 04:30:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26511; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26497; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 04:30:43 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pC19F1590.dip.t-online.de [193.159.21.144]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id LR7F4JZM; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:29:39 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Thinkpad List" , "Vincent Poy" Subject: RE: Audio and speaker placement on TPs - Thought/Opinion Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:30:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, Regarding: "I know what you mean, I was just stating that it seemed like the lower end ThinkPad's seemed to have more sound output. I'm guess it also depends on how har you are from the speakers. I was wondering how IBM decided to put the speakers on the 770's in the front and not on the top or bottom of the keyboard like Toshiba does." I cannot (right now) remember how Toshiba has their speakers mounted (something makes me think I saw them on top, above the keyboard last time I was dealing with a friend who has a few Toshibas). Anyway, I personally like the way IBM has theirs set up because of this: I had a Gateway and Compaq that had the speakers mounted right under your palms (where you rest them as you type) and it was frustrating because you always dampened the sound while typing... I think the speaker setup on IBM and Toshibas (if it is as I "remember") is the best because the sound is usually not dampened by hand placement. Another reason why the speakers on the TPs may be mounted on the bottom front may have to do with directing the sound away from the built in microphone (at least the one I know exists on the 770 series up at the top left-hand corner of the keyboard). The problem with the other configuration (of the Gateway and Compaq) is that the speakers and microphone - because of their placement - constantly interfered with one another as I tried to carry on phone/internet call conversations (horrible echo on the other end, etc)... Anyway, those are my thoughts. The quality of the speakers, chip, etc. as correctly pointed out by Paul and you is another story. Steve ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) Fax: +1 603 288 0296 ICQ: 15804759 _________________________________________________________________________ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 04:35:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA10766 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27118; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 04:33:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26962; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26948; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 04:33:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA28632; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:33:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 01:33:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: rj cc: Bill Morrow , richard , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP Vendors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 26 May 1999, rj wrote: > Not to be argumentative but when FexEx is transporting your goods they > should take care of the items. Even if the innermost package was not > compromised the condition of the outter box was and could have resulted > in damage. Personally I would have ripped them a new .... if for no other > reason than to hopefully set a process in motion to "prevent" such in the > future. I wish FedEx was like that. I'll give some past experiences with FedEx even though it's not ThinkPad related. It seems like everytime there is expensive equipment sent that is heavy in weight, anything sent with any service slower than Priority Overnight will be subject to abuse. Most recently, I purchased a Proceed AMP5 AMP, this is a high-end amp that's 120 lbs and my friend who was the dealer sent it on my FedEx account via 3 day service and when I got the amp, it seemed like FedEx dropped it so bad that the AMP wouldn't even turn on and part of the faceplate's paint came off. Filing a claim with FedEx is hard since they require I buy another amp that is identical before they will pay. This was $5000 and the amp is back in Madrigal Audio Laboratories in Conneticut for the last 4 months for warranty repair. That's why everything I order now is down overnight if it's FedEx. FedEx quality went down after the company went public. UPS service actually got better since it's still private. Airborne Express seems to be pretty good when they can find my address. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 04:47:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA10822 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28180; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 04:45:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28060; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28046; Thu, 27 May 1999 04:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 04:45:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA28789; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:45:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 01:45:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "Steven N. Fettig" cc: Thinkpad List Subject: RE: Audio and speaker placement on TPs - Thought/Opinion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 27 May 1999, Steven N. Fettig wrote: Hello Steve, > I cannot (right now) remember how Toshiba has their speakers mounted > (something makes me think I saw them on top, above the keyboard last time I > was dealing with a friend who has a few Toshibas). Anyway, I personally > like the way IBM has theirs set up because of this: > I had a Gateway and Compaq that had the speakers mounted right under your > palms (where you rest them as you type) and it was frustrating because you > always dampened the sound while typing... I think the speaker setup on IBM > and Toshibas (if it is as I "remember") is the best because the sound is > usually not dampened by hand placement. Another reason why the speakers on > the TPs may be mounted on the bottom front may have to do with directing the > sound away from the built in microphone (at least the one I know exists on > the 770 series up at the top left-hand corner of the keyboard). The problem > with the other configuration (of the Gateway and Compaq) is that the > speakers and microphone - because of their placement - constantly interfered > with one another as I tried to carry on phone/internet call conversations > (horrible echo on the other end, etc)... Anyway, those are my thoughts. > The quality of the speakers, chip, etc. as correctly pointed out by Paul and > you is another story. I guess the only reason why I mentioned the Toshiba was because it seems like they can place larger speaker drivers. Ofcourse, the i series has the JBL speakers next to the monitor which I imagine might possibly sound better than the ones on the 770Z. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 08:38:11 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA11781 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10200; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 08:34:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09926; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09913; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.net (199.0.216.212 -> chele.cais.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 08:34:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA18425 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:30:47 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: NT 4.0 SP5 on ThinkPad Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I'm considering loading SP5 on my TP. Has anyone on the list done so and willing to share the experience? TIA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 08:39:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA11789 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10541; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 08:38:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10301; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10270; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (169.207.2.78 -> mailgw01.execpc.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 08:38:25 -0400 Received: from earth (earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.1) id HAA17193 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:38:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:38:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe thinkpad-l From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 08:42:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA11809 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10929; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 08:42:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10793; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10773; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 08:41:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA13341; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:41:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:41:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Norman Goldberg cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How to unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <374CE434.1BF01E67@tu-bs.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 27 May 1999, Norman Goldberg wrote: > > unsubscribe > The proper way to unsubscribe from this list: List-Unsubscribe: mailto: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Have a nice day... Bruce Komar From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 10:33:44 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA12647 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17068; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 10:26:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16924; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16906; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 10:26:32 -0400 Received: from dgoldman.vip.best.com (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id HAA18117 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990527072011.00abedc0@shell9.ba.best.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:24:59 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: NT 4.0 SP5 on ThinkPad In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:30 AM 5/27/99 , rj wrote: >I'm considering loading SP5 on my TP. Has anyone on the list done >so and willing to share the experience? If you are going to install SP5 on ANY machine, beware of the following two (2) problems: 1) Disregard the statment that you can leave services running. Stop ALL possible services before installing this service pack. 2) Do *NOT* install the 128-bit version of this service pack or you will lose the ability for two SP5/128-bit machines to communicate with each other via RAS. The 40-bit version does not have this problem. Nor will you have a problem between an SP5/128-bit version and any non-SP5 machine. But RAS between two 128-bit SP5 machines will fail 100% of the time. -- /=================================================================\ | David Goldman | My business motto is: | | IVR@DGoldman.Com | Choose any two: [ ] Fast | | | [ ] Cheap | | Ask me for my PGP key. | [ ] Right | \=================================================================/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 10:45:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA12739 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18325; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 10:38:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18158; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18134; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 10:38:19 -0400 Received: from MACGREGOR (mg135-048.ricochet.net [204.179.135.48]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA19300; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:38:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006501bea84e$7910c450$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "David N. Blank-Edelman" Cc: References: <6DB879346436D21198C500A0C9E1E1237FC8F1@ssiwgn03.swspectrum.co.nz> <002301bea7f3$b8cac2e0$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:37:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Detayls by name. Here are the "details" of my Win2k install. 1. I waited until I could get hold of a legit copy of Win2k Beta 3 (build 2031), then I carefully backed up all of my data. 2. Installed the latest BIOS from IBM for my TP600 PII/233 160mb, 6.4gb. 3. Installed Win2k B3. Went without a hitch. I left the network card out until I was running successfully. 4. Inserted the network card (3c575) and it was recognized and installed at once. 5. Connected via DHCP from my server (NT4 SP5) and logged into my domain. 6. Reloaded my data and carefully moved my Outlook Express data to the new location. I used to simply use a Directory called "c:\Outlook Express" and then tell Outlook Express to use that. Now I had to put my Outlook Express folder at "C:\Documents and Settings\taylor\Local Settings\Application Data\Identities\{3137C962-0AFF-11D3-AD19-BAF674EA98DA}\Microsoft\Outlook Express" Neat huh? 7. To figure that out, you need to make sure that you can see EVERY file on your system by setting the checkboxes under Folder Options|View. 8. Windows 2000 **really** wants you to move all of your stuff to "My Documents", so I gave in and moved my stuff there. 9. It does not seem to be possible to move your Mail Rules from the Registry. They seem to have updated the information stored about each rule. 10. I moved my Favorites back into position. (Similar but only C:\Documents and Settings\taylor\Favorites.) 11. Reinstalled the Ricochet modem and dialup. Connected and installed fine. 12. Reloaded all my other applications such as Office 97, Lotus Organizer 5, Palm 3, Acrobat 4, Textpad 3.25. No problems. (Use Service Packs to keep up to date.) 13. Only then did I read the Release Notes from SP3 of Visual Studio 6.0 and note that there are issues with Debugging, so I have not loaded VS 6 yet. A fix is promised. I am luckily not in a hurry for development tools on my ThinkPad. 14. Win2k is running ACPI power management on this machine. As mentioned in previous posts, I don't really use Hibernation so I am not getting the best use of this stuff. I did set up and try Hibernation and it all works fine but I don't use it day to day. Everything is very smooth. Is this enough detail for you? David ----- Original Message ----- From: David N. Blank-Edelman To: David W. Taylor Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 10:36 PM Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO > "David W. Taylor" writes: > > > I'm running W2k Professional B3 on my TP600 and everything has been very > > smooth. > > Do you mind elaborating on this? When you say "smooth" do you mean > that you use it as your regular OS on that machine? Has it broken > anything (let's say in relation to NT4, if you used to use that) that > you've noticed? I'm toying with the idea of loading this on a > forthcoming 570 for everyday use. Thanks. > > Peace, > dNb From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 10:50:14 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA12809 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19277; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 10:47:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19080; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19047; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 10:47:15 -0400 Received: from MACGREGOR (mg135-048.ricochet.net [204.179.135.48]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA20306; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:47:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006f01bea84f$b8336010$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "David N. Blank-Edelman" Cc: References: <6DB879346436D21198C500A0C9E1E1237FC8F1@ssiwgn03.swspectrum.co.nz> <002301bea7f3$b8cac2e0$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> <006501bea84e$7910c450$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:46:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I forgot to mention the most important "detail!" I missed out step 1a, where I blew away all previous partitions on my disk and then did a "clean" install. At this point I cannot tell you what any kind of upgrade install would be like. David ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Taylor To: David N. Blank-Edelman Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 7:37 AM Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO > Detayls by name. Here are the "details" of my Win2k install. > > 1. I waited until I could get hold of a legit copy of Win2k Beta 3 (build > 2031), then I carefully backed up all of my data. > > 2. Installed the latest BIOS from IBM for my TP600 PII/233 160mb, 6.4gb. > > 3. Installed Win2k B3. Went without a hitch. I left the network card out > until I was running successfully. > > 4. Inserted the network card (3c575) and it was recognized and installed at > once. > > 5. Connected via DHCP from my server (NT4 SP5) and logged into my domain. > > 6. Reloaded my data and carefully moved my Outlook Express data to the new > location. I used to simply use a Directory called "c:\Outlook Express" and > then tell Outlook Express to use that. Now I had to put my Outlook Express > folder at "C:\Documents and Settings\taylor\Local Settings\Application > Data\Identities\{3137C962-0AFF-11D3-AD19-BAF674EA98DA}\Microsoft\Outlook > Express" Neat huh? > > 7. To figure that out, you need to make sure that you can see EVERY file on > your system by setting the checkboxes under Folder Options|View. > > 8. Windows 2000 **really** wants you to move all of your stuff to "My > Documents", so I gave in and moved my stuff there. > > 9. It does not seem to be possible to move your Mail Rules from the > Registry. They seem to have updated the information stored about each rule. > > 10. I moved my Favorites back into position. (Similar but only C:\Documents > and Settings\taylor\Favorites.) > > 11. Reinstalled the Ricochet modem and dialup. Connected and installed > fine. > > 12. Reloaded all my other applications such as Office 97, Lotus Organizer 5, > Palm 3, Acrobat 4, Textpad 3.25. No problems. (Use Service Packs to keep up > to date.) > > 13. Only then did I read the Release Notes from SP3 of Visual Studio 6.0 and > note that there are issues with Debugging, so I have not loaded VS 6 yet. A > fix is promised. I am luckily not in a hurry for development tools on my > ThinkPad. > > 14. Win2k is running ACPI power management on this machine. As mentioned > in previous posts, I don't really use Hibernation so I am not getting the > best use of this stuff. I did set up and try Hibernation and it all works > fine but I don't use it day to day. > > Everything is very smooth. Is this enough detail for you? > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David N. Blank-Edelman > To: David W. Taylor > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 10:36 PM > Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO > > > > "David W. Taylor" writes: > > > > > I'm running W2k Professional B3 on my TP600 and everything has been very > > > smooth. > > > > Do you mind elaborating on this? When you say "smooth" do you mean > > that you use it as your regular OS on that machine? Has it broken > > anything (let's say in relation to NT4, if you used to use that) that > > you've noticed? I'm toying with the idea of loading this on a > > forthcoming 570 for everyday use. Thanks. > > > > Peace, > > dNb > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 10:56:23 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA12854 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20068; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 10:54:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19942; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19918; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (207.172.3.237 -> smtp4.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 10:54:06 -0400 Received: from richard (216-164-221-100.s100.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.221.100]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id KAA22106; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990527104646.009c0490@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:54:17 -0400 To: "David W. Taylor" From: richard Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO Cc: "David N. Blank-Edelman" , In-Reply-To: <006501bea84e$7910c450$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> References: <6DB879346436D21198C500A0C9E1E1237FC8F1@ssiwgn03.swspectrum.co.nz> <002301bea7f3$b8cac2e0$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: >Everything is very smooth. What are your impressions of Win2k regarding speed? Is it faster or slower than NT or Win9x? Sounds as if you like it regarding other OS issues: stability, ability to run software and compatability with hardware? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 11:23:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA13101 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22418; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 11:21:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22243; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22227; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 11:21:37 -0400 Received: from MACGREGOR (mg135-048.ricochet.net [204.179.135.48]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24547; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:21:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007d01bea854$866137b0$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "richard" Cc: "David N. Blank-Edelman" , References: <6DB879346436D21198C500A0C9E1E1237FC8F1@ssiwgn03.swspectrum.co.nz><002301bea7f3$b8cac2e0$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> <4.1.19990527104646.009c0490@pop.rcn.com> Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:20:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Yes, very stable. It feels the same as NT4 SP4 or slightly slower. Hard to tell. David ----- Original Message ----- From: richard To: David W. Taylor Cc: David N. Blank-Edelman ; Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 7:54 AM Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO > >Everything is very smooth. > > What are your impressions of Win2k regarding speed? Is it faster or slower > than NT or Win9x? > > Sounds as if you like it regarding other OS issues: stability, ability to > run software and compatability with hardware? > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 11:59:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA13401 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24719; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 11:52:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24604; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24567; Thu, 27 May 1999 11:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (204.179.143.3 -> rgate2.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 11:52:49 -0400 Received: from MACGREGOR (mg135-048.ricochet.net [204.179.135.48]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA28933 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:52:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008701bea858$e41d0c90$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: *OT* High Quality Desktop... Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:52:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is slightly off-topic. Please respond by email only, if you feel it is inappropriate for a ThinkPad list. I am starting to figure out which next-generation desktop machine to buy. My ThinkPad is not cutting it for heavy web/java development and I really want to wait for the mobile Pentium III ThinkPad models at 400mHz that are due this winter before upgrading. Does anyone out there have a recommendation for good, fast desktop/minitower systems with *the same quality of build, reliability and software/hardware support* as ThinkPads enjoy? The final $$$$ amount is secondary to these other desired features. Obviously I don't want to throw money away but support and quality is very important. I am tending fairly hard towards Dell's Workstation line: dual Pentiums, good build quality and so on. Anyone with experience of the 410 workstation towers? Is video card choice really important. I will be running against a 20" Trinitron and a 17" Nanao. There also seem to be various IBM models out there. Are they as good as the ThinkPad in these areas? Thanks. David -- David W. Taylor, Detayls From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 12:53:09 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA14170 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29137; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 12:51:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28980; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28953; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edtnps04.telusplanet.net (198.161.157.104 -> edtnps04.telusplanet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 12:51:04 -0400 Received: from clgr000018.hs.telusplanet.net ([161.184.80.18]:61993 "HELO tp770xgsnt.sivco.com") by smtp1.telusplanet.net with SMTP id <444981-20158>; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:50:44 -0600 From: Geza Szivos/SIVCO Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:53:03 -0600 To: David Goldman cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NT 4.0 SP5 on ThinkPad Message-ID: <938091751994660E8725677E005C9488.0000000000000000@sivco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bfore installing just save the c:\winnt\system32\drivers\pcmcia.sys it will be overwritten without warning! David Goldman on 05/27/99 08:24:59 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: FaxTo: Subject: Re: NT 4.0 SP5 on ThinkPad At 05:30 AM 5/27/99 , rj wrote: >I'm considering loading SP5 on my TP. Has anyone on the list done >so and willing to share the experience? If you are going to install SP5 on ANY machine, beware of the following two (2) problems: 1) Disregard the statment that you can leave services running. Stop ALL possible services before installing this service pack. 2) Do *NOT* install the 128-bit version of this service pack or you will lose the ability for two SP5/128-bit machines to communicate with each other via RAS. The 40-bit version does not have this problem. Nor will you have a problem between an SP5/128-bit version and any non-SP5 machine. But RAS between two 128-bit SP5 machines will fail 100% of the time. -- /=================================================================\ | David Goldman | My business motto is: | | IVR@DGoldman.Com | Choose any two: [ ] Fast | | | [ ] Cheap | | Ask me for my PGP key. | [ ] Right | \=================================================================/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 13:24:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14559 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01036; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 13:16:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00893; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00878; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 13:16:09 -0400 Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA03305; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA14065; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: "David W. Taylor" Cc: Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO References: <6DB879346436D21198C500A0C9E1E1237FC8F1@ssiwgn03.swspectrum.co.nz> <002301bea7f3$b8cac2e0$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> <006501bea84e$7910c450$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 27 May 1999 13:16:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: "David W. Taylor"'s message of "Thu, 27 May 1999 07:37:36 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 6 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: > Everything is very smooth. Is this enough detail for you? That was super. I was interested in application/utility compatability and stability. Thanks! Peace, dNb From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 14:31:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15553 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05603; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 14:24:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05480; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05439; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (199.0.65.247 -> mail-out-0.tiac.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 14:24:15 -0400 Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA32714 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:24:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.doble.com (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA21243 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:19:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Redhat 6.0 deal at CompUSA Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:19:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I think this list had a discussion about Redhat 6.0 recently. I was in my local CompUSA and noticed they had a $20 off sale on it. I paid $59.99 plus tax. The bad news is the sale ends today so you need to hurry down to the local CompUSA. Besides the Phone Support, Books and the OS (of course) they have an updated Linux Applications CD. There is an installation and an Getting Started book. The Getting Started book covers GNOME and basic shell commands One feature that is interesting is that it can boot directly into X Windows and login there. The down side is they seem to be making X windows look like MS Windows 8-<. There is a menu to logout, halt, or reboot. Easier for someone to stay in a GUI environment. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 15:00:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15844 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08036; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 14:57:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07798; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07784; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 14:57:49 -0400 Received: from richard (209-122-228-69.s323.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.228.69]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA29730; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990527144718.009bdca0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:58:07 -0400 To: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) From: richard Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <"David W. Taylor"'s message of "Thu, 27 May 1999 07:37:36 -0700"> <6DB879346436D21198C500A0C9E1E1237FC8F1@ssiwgn03.swspectrum.co.nz> <002301bea7f3$b8cac2e0$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> <006501bea84e$7910c450$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:16 PM 5/27/99 -0400, you wrote: >> Everything is very smooth. Is this enough detail for you? > >That was super. I was interested in application/utility compatability >and stability. Thanks! Not to revisit old discussions, but I don't understand running NT (including win2k) on a TP. If you're running windows apps, win9x seems better. There are four things I look for in an operating system: 1) Ability to run software. I'm not aware of any "workstation" app that runs under NT that won't run under win9x. 2) Hardware compability. I'm not aware of any hardware that works under NT that won't work under win9x. There seems to be hardware that won't work under NT that will run under win9x. 3) Stability. I have not had any serious stability problems with win98. Others may not be so lucky. 4) Performance. Is anyone claiming that NT is faster? I might come to a different conclusion if I were running a server. NT (or Linux) would be a better choice. Security would be more of an issue. But I don't think you should be running a server on a TP. Thinkpad NT fans - what am I missing? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 15:11:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15983 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09051; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:09:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08868; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08824; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (192.233.136.8 -> lotus2.lotus.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:09:01 -0400 Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA21759; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a3mail.lotus.com (A3MAIL.lotus.com [9.95.5.66]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA16090; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO Cc: "dnb" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu To: "richard X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0 March 30, 1999 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:07:31 GMT Message-ID: From: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on A3MAIL/CAM/H/Lotus(Release 5.0 |March 30, 1999) at 05/27/99 02:56:17 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: It all depends on what you're doing with the ThinkPad... I wouldn't even contemplate doing extensive development work on Win9x due to the instability... NT on a TP is the (in IMHO) best choice for a developer... BTW, I've a 600E with 160MB running NT 4 with SP4 and IE5... That said, if I had the choice, I'd run Linux.... Win2000 is not even on the horizon for me... Regards, Bill Abt Java 2 Development IBM Centre for Java Technology IBM Cambridge, MA, USA 02142 Direct Line: +011 1 617-693-1591 T/L: 603-1591 bill_abt@lotus.com richard cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, (bcc: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus) Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO 05/27/99 02:58 PM At 01:16 PM 5/27/99 -0400, you wrote: >> Everything is very smooth. Is this enough detail for you? > >That was super. I was interested in application/utility compatability >and stability. Thanks! Not to revisit old discussions, but I don't understand running NT (including win2k) on a TP. If you're running windows apps, win9x seems better. There are four things I look for in an operating system: 1) Ability to run software. I'm not aware of any "workstation" app that runs under NT that won't run under win9x. 2) Hardware compability. I'm not aware of any hardware that works under NT that won't work under win9x. There seems to be hardware that won't work under NT that will run under win9x. 3) Stability. I have not had any serious stability problems with win98. Others may not be so lucky. 4) Performance. Is anyone claiming that NT is faster? I might come to a different conclusion if I were running a server. NT (or Linux) would be a better choice. Security would be more of an issue. But I don't think you should be running a server on a TP. Thinkpad NT fans - what am I missing? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 15:42:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA16337 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13085; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:41:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12951; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12926; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:40:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01680; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:40:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:40:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: richard cc: "David W. Taylor" , "David N. Blank-Edelman" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990527104646.009c0490@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 27 May 1999, richard wrote: > >Everything is very smooth. > > What are your impressions of Win2k regarding speed? Is it faster or slower > than NT or Win9x? > > Sounds as if you like it regarding other OS issues: stability, ability to > run software and compatability with hardware? WHat about management of resources? Win98 seems to have a resource leak that it will just run out of memory and then give the system is dangerously low in resources message. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 15:44:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA16359 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12638; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:38:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12490; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12428; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (192.233.136.8 -> lotus2.lotus.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:37:38 -0400 Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24037; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a3mail.lotus.com (A3MAIL.lotus.com [9.95.5.66]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA21116; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO To: richard Cc: "Steven C. Davis" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0 March 30, 1999 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:36:07 GMT Message-ID: From: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on A3MAIL/CAM/H/Lotus(Release 5.0 |March 30, 1999) at 05/27/99 03:24:55 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: For my purposes it's adequate... Regards, Bill Abt Java 2 Development IBM Centre for Java Technology IBM Cambridge, MA, USA 02142 Direct Line: +011 1 617-693-1591 T/L: 603-1591 bill_abt@lotus.com richard , om> "Steven C. Davis" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu 05/27/99 Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO 03:23 PM At 07:07 PM 5/27/99 +0000, you wrote: > >It all depends on what you're doing with the ThinkPad... I wouldn't even >contemplate doing extensive development work on Win9x due to the >instability... NT on a TP is the (in IMHO) best choice for a developer... >BTW, I've a 600E with 160MB running NT 4 with SP4 and IE5... That said, if >I had the choice, I'd run Linux.... Win2000 is not even on the horizon for >me... At 02:11 PM 5/27/99 -0500, you wrote: > >The primary benefits of NT are stability, performance, and true >multitasking. > >If you're doing development work and are debugging a windows app, problems >with your app will crash the win '98 OS. NT implements true multitasking >and the same problem would only crash your app and not the entire OS. For development work, I agree. I've had no problem with stability running MS Word, IE5, Eudora, etc., but I can understand that development work would be an issue. And that Win2000 needs a bit more seasoning (for example, being a released product) before it's worth considering for development. Performance? Do you think NT is faster than '98? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 15:51:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA16430 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13676; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:44:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13474; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13433; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:44:21 -0400 Received: from richard (209-122-228-69.s323.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.228.69]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA18683; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990527154008.009bc1a0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:43:30 -0400 To: "David W. Taylor" From: richard Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO Cc: "Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus" , "Steven C. Davis" , In-Reply-To: <00b801bea877$84150fe0$fb769cce@MACGREGOR> References: <4.1.19990527144718.009bdca0@pop.rcn.com> <4.1.19990527151720.009b9bb0@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:31 PM 5/27/99 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: >>> And that Win2000 needs a bit more seasoning (for >example, being a released product) before it's worth considering for >development.>> > >Why do you say that Richard? Even Microsoft says that Win2000 B3 is more >stable than NT 4.0. I've never found Microsoft to be a totally accurate and objective source of info regarding software. I don't favor rolling out a new OS for real use prior to a fair amount of testing. Especially in a corporate or development environment. YMMV From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 15:58:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA16562 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15784; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:54:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15220; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15145; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.103 -> pilot003.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:54:25 -0400 Received: from andres (pm527-34.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.86]) by pilot003.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA16394 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:54:16 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990527155624.008d0d00@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:56:24 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990527154008.009bc1a0@pop.rcn.com> References: <00b801bea877$84150fe0$fb769cce@MACGREGOR> <4.1.19990527144718.009bdca0@pop.rcn.com> <4.1.19990527151720.009b9bb0@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:31 PM 5/27/99 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: >And that Win2000 needs a bit more seasoning (for >example, being a released product) before it's worth considering for >development. > >Why do you say that Richard? Even Microsoft says that Win2000 B3 is more >stable than NT 4.0. I find that basically impossible to believe. The beta 2 I briefly played with just wasn't very stable. NT on the other hand, is actaully fairly solid, aside from networking problems. NT's real problem is the myriad of security holes that the vandals keep on finding. Now, I'm not saying that I like NT, but it at least doesn't wimp out and crash as often as 98 does. My TP i1451 has '98 and I do hate it--I am convinced there is a low level problem in the memory allocator, such that after a few hours of web browsing I often run out of resources. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 16:03:03 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16636 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16063; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:56:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15758; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15661; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:56:01 -0400 Received: from richard (209-122-228-69.s323.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.228.69]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23690; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990527154510.009b98f0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:56:08 -0400 To: Vincent Poy From: richard Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO Cc: "David W. Taylor" , "David N. Blank-Edelman" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990527104646.009c0490@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:40 PM 5/27/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > WHat about management of resources? Win98 seems to have a >resource leak that it will just run out of memory and then give the system >is dangerously low in resources message. I've never had this problem with '98. Even if I open and close a lot of programs over a number of days. I tend to use a few apps and keep them running constantly. Not that I think that '98 is a great OS. For example, having to reboot to install software or to change network settings is ridiculous. Or the inanity of DLL management and the registry. If only there were more Linux apps. As a matter of semantics, management of resources is a subset of stability, no? Also, I've heard people get low memory errors under NT under various conditions (although someone said SP5 helps eliminate this problem). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 16:12:51 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16809 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17313; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 16:06:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17170; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17151; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 16:06:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA01905; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:06:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:06:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: richard cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: was Win2000 beta 3 PRO - now Win98 resource leakage In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990527154510.009b98f0@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 27 May 1999, richard wrote: > At 12:40 PM 5/27/99 -0700, Vincent Poy wrote: > > What about management of resources? Win98 seems to have a > >resource leak that it will just run out of memory and then give the system > >is dangerously low in resources message. > > I've never had this problem with '98. Even if I open and close a lot of > programs over a number of days. I tend to use a few apps and keep them > running constantly. It's weird but if I opened IE5 and then like some other apps on the 770Z with 128 megs of RAM, then Netscape Communicator 4.6 wouldn't open because it complains it's out of memory. I talked to IBM and they said Win98 has a known issue of resource leakage. On my 385ED, what happens instead is in Win98, it would run for like 10-12 hours and then the machine would slow down or just say System is dangerously low of resources and a reboot would fix it. Seems to be worst on the 770Z or their preload version of Win98. My 385ED is using a US government edition of Win98 which was released 3 weeks before the retail version and it seems to be slightly different. I've tried apps like MemTurbo, WinRam-booster, FreeMem Professional and these only made the problem worst, whenever these run, it recovers memory but everything I try to open says that there is not enough memory. My virtual memory is on but somehow it seems like the system isn't using it at all or something. Memory management is something Linux, FreeBSD is better in. > Not that I think that '98 is a great OS. For example, having to reboot to > install software or to change network settings is ridiculous. Or the > inanity of DLL management and the registry. If only there were more Linux > apps. Yeah, atleast there are more apps for Linux than FreeBSD. Thank god FreeBSD can run binaries from Linux, SCO Unix, BSDI, among others. > As a matter of semantics, management of resources is a subset of > stability, no? It is I think. Although I'm not sure. It's funny that MSFT fixes other bugs but not the memory management. > Also, I've heard people get low memory errors under NT under various > conditions (although someone said SP5 helps eliminate this problem). Yeah, that's memory leakage and SP5 does fix the problem I heard. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 16:15:49 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16862 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12240; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:33:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11812; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11795; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.brightware.com (206.156.118.18 -> ns1.brightware.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:33:24 -0400 Received: from MACGREGOR (macgregor.brightware.com [206.156.118.251]) by ns1.brightware.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA27255; Thu, 27 May 1999 12:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00b801bea877$84150fe0$fb769cce@MACGREGOR> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus" , "Steven C. Davis" , "richard" Cc: References: <4.1.19990527144718.009bdca0@pop.rcn.com> <4.1.19990527151720.009b9bb0@pop.rcn.com> Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:31:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: >> And that Win2000 needs a bit more seasoning (for example, being a released product) before it's worth considering for development.>> Why do you say that Richard? Even Microsoft says that Win2000 B3 is more stable than NT 4.0. David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 16:16:22 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16877 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10969; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:24:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10306; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10273; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (207.172.3.236 -> smtp3.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:23:50 -0400 Received: from richard (209-122-228-69.s323.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.228.69]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA10311; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990527151720.009b9bb0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:23:28 -0400 To: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus , "Steven C. Davis" From: richard Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990527144718.009bdca0@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:07 PM 5/27/99 +0000, you wrote: > >It all depends on what you're doing with the ThinkPad... I wouldn't even >contemplate doing extensive development work on Win9x due to the >instability... NT on a TP is the (in IMHO) best choice for a developer... >BTW, I've a 600E with 160MB running NT 4 with SP4 and IE5... That said, if >I had the choice, I'd run Linux.... Win2000 is not even on the horizon for >me... At 02:11 PM 5/27/99 -0500, you wrote: > >The primary benefits of NT are stability, performance, and true >multitasking. > >If you're doing development work and are debugging a windows app, problems >with your app will crash the win '98 OS. NT implements true multitasking >and the same problem would only crash your app and not the entire OS. For development work, I agree. I've had no problem with stability running MS Word, IE5, Eudora, etc., but I can understand that development work would be an issue. And that Win2000 needs a bit more seasoning (for example, being a released product) before it's worth considering for development. Performance? Do you think NT is faster than '98? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 16:17:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16914 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17916; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 16:10:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17697; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pollux.hoff.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17681; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pollux.hoff.net (12.74.100.69 -> 69.dallas-11-12rs.tx.dial-access.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 16:10:15 -0400 Received: from zeus (11.hoff.net [10.0.0.11]) by pollux.hoff.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id PAA19090 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:34:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from thinkpad@fnmail.com) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990527151017.0088e940@mail.fnmail.com> X-Sender: thinkpad@mail.fnmail.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:10:17 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Dustin Subject: [755c] bad battery, or bad mother board?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have a 755c dx4/75 with a NiMH battery that recently stopped working. The computer recognizes it when I insert it, and the battery and charge light initially turn green. But after a few seconds the charge light goes out and the battery light turns orange. Both the dos and windows fuel programs, and the win95 power status indicate the battery has 0% charge, and any attempts to discharge it and start recharging fail. I usually use the computer plugged in at my desk, so I thought that it would be a good idea to remove the battery and turn it off. I later read that turning batteries on and off can ruin them, so I realize that I may have caused this failure. But I suspect that the problem might be larger than a bad battery, because the floppy drive failed at about the same time, though I can't be sure if they were related because I rarely use the floppy. And the computer occasionally charges the battery, only to report it as dead a day or so later (even though the win95 power status reports near 100% capacity). I can replace these parts, but is it possible to find out if my motherboard is bad first? Thanks for any advice. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 16:18:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16925 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11004; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:24:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10392; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.frontiernet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10327; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.frontiernet.net (209.130.129.196 -> node21.frontiernet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 15:24:02 -0400 Received: from ericportable (as5300-7-61.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [209.130.186.64]) by mail.frontiernet.net (8.8.8a/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA389404; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:23:56 -0400 From: "Eric D. Gottlieb" To: "richard" Cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: RE: Win2000 beta 3 PRO [ vs. Win 98] Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:24:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bea876$7f7a95a0$1801a8c0@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990527144718.009bdca0@pop.rcn.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Richard, I am not sure about items 2-4, but as for item 1, there is a lot of engineering software that requires Windows NT. -Eric > Not to revisit old discussions, but I don't understand running NT > (including win2k) on a TP. If you're running windows apps, win9x > seems better. > > There are four things I look for in an operating system: > > 1) Ability to run software. I'm not aware of any "workstation" app that > runs under NT that won't run under win9x. > > 2) Hardware compability. I'm not aware of any hardware that > works under NT > that won't work under win9x. There seems to be hardware that won't work > under NT that will run under win9x. > > 3) Stability. I have not had any serious stability problems with win98. > Others may not be so lucky. > > 4) Performance. Is anyone claiming that NT is faster? > > I might come to a different conclusion if I were running a server. NT (or > Linux) would be a better choice. Security would be more of an > issue. But I > don't think you should be running a server on a TP. > > Thinkpad NT fans - what am I missing? > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 16:26:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17062 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19208; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 16:23:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19044; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ro.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19031; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ro.com (205.216.92.5 -> sh1.ro.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 16:22:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (jeffj@localhost) by ro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/RO-1.0) with SMTP id PAA02398; Thu, 27 May 1999 15:22:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:22:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Jackowski To: "Cottrell, Eric" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Redhat 6.0 deal at CompUSA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 27 May 1999, Cottrell, Eric wrote: > Hello, > > I think this list had a discussion about Redhat 6.0 recently. I was > in my local CompUSA and noticed they had a $20 off sale on it. > I paid $59.99 plus tax. The bad news is the sale ends today > so you need to hurry down to the local CompUSA. Besides > the Phone Support, Books and the OS (of course) they have > an updated Linux Applications CD. There is an installation and > an Getting Started book. The Getting Started book covers GNOME > and basic shell commands > > One feature that is interesting is that it can boot directly into > X Windows and login there. The down side is they seem to > be making X windows look like MS Windows 8-<. There is a menu to > logout, halt, or reboot. Easier for someone to stay in a GUI > environment. If you don't want X to look like Windows, just change the window manager. Red Hat's default window manager has looked like MS Windows for a while, but they install others by default, too. There is some menu available on the desktop that will let you change the window manager, but I forgot exactly where the option is in the menu. Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 16:33:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17203 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20031; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 16:29:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19830; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19812; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.115 -> pilot015.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 16:29:31 -0400 Received: from andres (pm527-34.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.86]) by pilot015.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA17872 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:29:24 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990527163136.008cfac0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:31:36 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990527160603.009c1130@pop.rcn.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990527155624.008d0d00@pilot.msu.edu> <4.1.19990527154008.009bc1a0@pop.rcn.com> <00b801bea877$84150fe0$fb769cce@MACGREGOR> <4.1.19990527144718.009bdca0@pop.rcn.com> <4.1.19990527151720.009b9bb0@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have no troubles at all believing that MS said this. Verndors do tend to "puff up" their products, and MS is a master of puffery if nothing else. I don't doubt that 95 users have reported more crashes than NT. As I've said, NT is really better in that respect. ...I just came back from talking to seven people who are my guinea pigs for 98. One of them thinks 98 is a substancial improvement. Most (5) said they thought frequency of crashes was the same, two said crashes were worse. Only the one person saw it as a distinct improvement. Mileage does vary, doesn't it. ;-) At 04:14 PM 5/27/99 -0400, richard wrote: ... >You find it impossible to believe that MS said that? Or that it's more stable? > >Infoworld, May 10: > >The recently released Beta 3 for Windows 2000 is more sound that any >finished operating system Microsoft has ever shipped, according to the >executive in charge of the massive project. > >http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayArchive.pl?/99/19/t16-19.14.htm > > >In the same issue, a review of Beta 3 lists stability issues as a primary >"Con" > >MS published a study in 1998 showing that 40% of win95 users report two or >more crashes a month, while *only* 15% of NT users report two or more >crashes/month. > >>From the responses so far, (a) I've had a much more stable win98 experience >than others, and (b) for developers and those who need specialized apps >which only run under NT, NT is better than win98. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 16:35:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17236 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20520; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 16:33:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20315; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stars.cisco.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20288; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stars.cisco.com (171.71.112.28 -> stars.cisco.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 16:33:21 -0400 Received: from mill.cisco.com (mill.cisco.com [161.44.200.11]) by stars.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA21238; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:33:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: Jeff Jackowski cc: "Cottrell, Eric" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Redhat 6.0 deal at CompUSA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Don't know where the menu options are hiding (and I've *looked*), but the command-lines to change desktops are: switchdesk, switchdesk-helper, switchdesk-gnome, switchdesk-kde, all located in / usr/bin. -Ken On Thu, 27 May 1999, Jeff Jackowski wrote: > Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:22:45 -0500 (CDT) > From: Jeff Jackowski > To: "Cottrell, Eric" > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Redhat 6.0 deal at CompUSA > > On Thu, 27 May 1999, Cottrell, Eric wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I think this list had a discussion about Redhat 6.0 recently. I was > > in my local CompUSA and noticed they had a $20 off sale on it. > > I paid $59.99 plus tax. The bad news is the sale ends today > > so you need to hurry down to the local CompUSA. Besides > > the Phone Support, Books and the OS (of course) they have > > an updated Linux Applications CD. There is an installation and > > an Getting Started book. The Getting Started book covers GNOME > > and basic shell commands > > > > One feature that is interesting is that it can boot directly into > > X Windows and login there. The down side is they seem to > > be making X windows look like MS Windows 8-<. There is a menu to > > logout, halt, or reboot. Easier for someone to stay in a GUI > > environment. > > If you don't want X to look like Windows, just change the window manager. > Red Hat's default window manager has looked like MS Windows for a while, > but they install others by default, too. There is some menu available on > the desktop that will let you change the window manager, but I forgot > exactly where the option is in the menu. > > Jeff Jackowski > http://ro.com/~jeffj/ > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 16:50:30 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17452 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21489; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 16:44:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21315; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0l.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21301; Thu, 27 May 1999 16:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0l.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.41 -> www0l.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 16:43:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 10348 invoked by uid 60001); 27 May 1999 20:43:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19990527204355.10346.qmail@www0l.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.41 by www0l via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Thu May 27 20:43:55 GMT 1999 Date: 27 May 99 15:43:55 CDT From: Rob Bell To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: > Thinkpad NT fans - what am I missing? In my experience, NT is a more capable OS when being heavily used than is= Win95/98. For people who regularly have 4-8 (or more) applications or instances of applications open at the same time, NT does a better job utilizing system resources and multi-tasking. This assumes that there is= enough memory for NT to play nicely in. As an example, I may have the following things going at once: Explorer, Lotus Notes, several Netscape windows, several VB projects, Outlook 98, Word 97, Office 97 shortcut bar= , as well as McAfee VirusScan, CleanSweep, etc. running in the background. For example, I have a PPro 200 desktop PC with 128MB and Win98. I also h= ave a P233 770 with 128MB and NT4Wks. As my usage increases on each OS, Win98 becomes less capable of smoothly switching between apps and more prone to= crashing. NT happily allows me to keep opening more stuff and using it a= s if it were running by itself (well almost). That same Win98 issue was my experience with Win95 too, which was the OS just before Win98 on the desk= top. = This isn't to say that a particular app running on Win98 is more prone to= crashing than when run on NT, but rather that Win98 tends to start stumbl= ing as the load increases. Neither OS is bulletproof or perfect. If there are hardware issues to de= al with such as non-standard or new components or low memory then there may = be a particular reason to choose one OS over the other. Given a PC with enoug= h horsepower for NT (which most new PCs have) and no special needs for hard= ware, I'd choose NT. Why don't I have NT on my desktop? Because it has a stup= id Winmodem and a lot of extra hardware like a scanner, tape backup, CD chan= ger, etc. These are just my experiences, but I heavily use PCs all day long and hav= e been doing it for many years. HTH, Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 21:38:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA04017 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04186; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 21:36:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04022; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03997; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (207.69.200.32 -> smtp2.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 21:36:31 -0400 Received: from p200 (user-38ldgtu.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.195.190]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17457 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905280136.VAA17457@smtp2.mindspring.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 27 May 99 18:35:55 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM Phone Support Number List-Unsubscribe: Try 1-800-772-2227 If you know the 4 digit machine type, you can press 1, then enter or say the machine type (to expedite the call). -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my AMD K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html -- Paul Khoury | pkhoury@mindspring.com | Sent from my AMD K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 22:25:54 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA04353 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 22:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06102; Thu, 27 May 1999 22:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 22:24:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05988; Thu, 27 May 1999 22:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05974; Thu, 27 May 1999 22:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.66 -> slip-32-100-39-66.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 22:24:05 -0400 Message-ID: <005f01bea8b2$80b456e0$42276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "David N. Blank-Edelman" , "richard" Cc: References: <"David W. Taylor"'s message of "Thu, 27 May 1999 07:37:36 -0700"><6DB879346436D21198C500A0C9E1E1237FC8F1@ssiwgn03.swspectrum.co.nz><002301bea7f3$b8cac2e0$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR><006501bea84e$7910c450$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> <4.1.19990527144718.009bdca0@pop.rcn.com> Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:33:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I agree to some extent that NT is more stable to development. As for Win 2000 I tried it and got rid of it. It still does not run over 50% of the apps out there. In my case it won't work with any Oracle development tools so it's useless for me. I'll wait till Bill gets it right before I load it again. Then again hopefuly Oracle will release soem tools for the linux platform... Don ----- Original Message ----- From: richard > Not to revisit old discussions, but I don't understand running NT > (including win2k) on a TP. If you're running windows apps, win9x seems better. > > There are four things I look for in an operating system: > > 1) Ability to run software. I'm not aware of any "workstation" app that > runs under NT that won't run under win9x. > > 2) Hardware compability. I'm not aware of any hardware that works under NT > that won't work under win9x. There seems to be hardware that won't work > under NT that will run under win9x. > > 3) Stability. I have not had any serious stability problems with win98. > Others may not be so lucky. > > 4) Performance. Is anyone claiming that NT is faster? > > I might come to a different conclusion if I were running a server. NT (or > Linux) would be a better choice. Security would be more of an issue. But I > don't think you should be running a server on a TP. > > Thinkpad NT fans - what am I missing? > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 22:33:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA04414 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 22:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06885; Thu, 27 May 1999 22:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 22:32:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06676; Thu, 27 May 1999 22:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06657; Thu, 27 May 1999 22:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (32.100.39.66 -> slip-32-100-39-66.nj.us.ibm.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 22:32:10 -0400 Message-ID: <007e01bea8b3$a2037320$42276420@thinkpad> From: "Donald Mak" To: "Rob Bell" , References: <19990527204355.10346.qmail@www0l.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:41:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: NT may be a little more stable than Win95/98 I wouldn't go so far as to say it doesn't suffer under heavy loads. No better example than the MS experience trying to run NT as the server for Hotmail after they purchased it. It didn't take them long to scrap NT and bring back Sun.... Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Bell In my experience, NT is a more capable OS when being heavily used than is Win95/98. For example, I have a PPro 200 desktop PC with 128MB and Win98. I also have a P233 770 with 128MB and NT4Wks. As my usage increases on each OS, Win98 becomes less capable of smoothly switching between apps and more prone to crashing. NT happily allows me to keep opening more stuff and using it as if it were running by itself (well almost). That same Win98 issue was my experience with Win95 too, which was the OS just before Win98 on the desktop. This isn't to say that a particular app running on Win98 is more prone to crashing than when run on NT, but rather that Win98 tends to start stumbling as the load increases. Neither OS is bulletproof or perfect. If there are hardware issues to deal with such as non-standard or new components or low memory then there may be a particular reason to choose one OS over the other. Given a PC with enough horsepower for NT (which most new PCs have) and no special needs for hardware, I'd choose NT. Why don't I have NT on my desktop? Because it has a stupid Winmodem and a lot of extra hardware like a scanner, tape backup, CD changer, etc. These are just my experiences, but I heavily use PCs all day long and have been doing it for many years. HTH, Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 23:18:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA04725 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 23:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08544; Thu, 27 May 1999 23:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 23:16:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08355; Thu, 27 May 1999 23:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08340; Thu, 27 May 1999 23:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup.com.ar (200.0.213.47) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 23:16:18 -0400 Received: from pcleandro ([200.0.213.26]) by dialup.com.ar (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA05254; Fri, 28 May 1999 00:15:23 -0300 From: "Leandro Rzezak" To: "richard" Cc: Subject: RE: Win2000 beta 3 PRO Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:18:42 -0300 Message-ID: <001401bea8b8$c9977df0$1ad500c8@pcleandro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990527144718.009bdca0@pop.rcn.com> List-Unsubscribe: 1. For example, some database servers does require NT. (In my case, I use Progress Enterprise DB Server) 2. I have installed Win98 with the sole purpose of using my DVD 3. I don't have a doubt on this one. NT is 100% more stable than win98 when you overload your system. 4. On a clean, low loaded system, I found win98 faster than NT, but on a heavy loaded system, NT worked much better. I have a 770ED with 64MB ram Leandro. PS: I can't imagine myself working on win98. PS2: I won't move to win2000 until I read at least 2000 mails from people who are hapyly using that OS. > -----Original Message----- > From: richard [mailto:rpritz@rcn.com] > Sent: Jueves 27 de Mayo de 1999 15:58 > To: David N. Blank-Edelman > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO > > > At 01:16 PM 5/27/99 -0400, you wrote: > >> Everything is very smooth. Is this enough detail for you? > > > >That was super. I was interested in application/utility compatability > >and stability. Thanks! > > Not to revisit old discussions, but I don't understand running NT > (including win2k) on a TP. If you're running windows apps, win9x > seems better. > > There are four things I look for in an operating system: > > 1) Ability to run software. I'm not aware of any "workstation" app that > runs under NT that won't run under win9x. > > 2) Hardware compability. I'm not aware of any hardware that > works under NT > that won't work under win9x. There seems to be hardware that won't work > under NT that will run under win9x. > > 3) Stability. I have not had any serious stability problems with win98. > Others may not be so lucky. > > 4) Performance. Is anyone claiming that NT is faster? > > I might come to a different conclusion if I were running a server. NT (or > Linux) would be a better choice. Security would be more of an > issue. But I > don't think you should be running a server on a TP. > > Thinkpad NT fans - what am I missing? > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu May 27 23:22:31 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA04751 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 23:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08933; Thu, 27 May 1999 23:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 May 1999 23:20:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08827; Thu, 27 May 1999 23:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08814; Thu, 27 May 1999 23:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (207.69.200.32 -> smtp2.mindspring.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 May 1999 23:20:50 -0400 Received: from thinkpad1721i (user-37kagph.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.67.49]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA12901; Thu, 27 May 1999 23:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009d01bea8b8$ef7abdc0$314345cf@thinkpad1721i> From: "Chuck S." To: "STeve Andre'" , References: <3.0.6.32.19990526124535.008badd0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: A squeaking keyboard Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:19:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Steve, I also had a squeaky Backspace key on a i1721 that I purchased at CompUSA. I brought the TP back to CompUSA within 10 days of the purchase, but they refused to exchange it for a new unit. After arguing with them, I reluctantly agreed to have them replace the keyboard. But after waiting three weeks, they still had not received the new keyboard. I then sent the TP to IBM EasyServe, who replaced the keyboard within 5 business days. The new keyboard's Backspace key squeaked a few times after several weeks of use, but then stopped squeaking completely. Hope this helps you decide what to do with your keyboard. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: STeve Andre' To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 11:45 AM Subject: A squeaking keyboard | My ThinkPad 1451 i Series is performing quite well after six weeks | of use, but I've developed an odd squeaking in the backspace, enter | and space keys. | | Depending on how where I hit them I get an annoying high pitched noise | out of them. The return key is the worst, then backspace and finally | space. If I remember to hit return on the right hand side I don't get | the noise but thats hard for my finger to remember to do. | | Have others seen this problem? I'm not sure if there is anything I | can do about it short of replacing the keyboard but thought I'd ask. | It does get a little annoying after a while. | | Thanks, STeve Andre' | andres@pilot.msu.edu | From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 28 07:21:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA08048 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 07:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29021; Fri, 28 May 1999 07:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 May 1999 07:13:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA28896; Fri, 28 May 1999 07:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA28871; Fri, 28 May 1999 07:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 May 1999 07:13:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA05854 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 04:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 04:13:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Memory Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hello all, Just sharing my thoughts in regards to Bill Morrow's posting about memory from Crucial. I thought Crucial was just Micron memory which is made by them so that's why it's cheaper. Also, what is the difference between the IBM memory and third party brands like Kingston, PNY, Viking, Apricorn? I thought IBM still made memory but it seems like the 770Z comes with Mitsubishi memory both soldered and in the module. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 28 08:41:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA08376 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03811; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 May 1999 08:36:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03643; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03630; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (207.211.200.72 -> mail.MCESTATE.COM) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 May 1999 08:36:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA06198; Fri, 28 May 1999 05:33:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 05:33:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Rob Bell cc: Donald Mak , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO In-Reply-To: <19990528122035.3862.qmail@ww181.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On 28 May 1999, Rob Bell wrote: > You may certainly be right about *heavy* loads when running as a server. I > was referring to the relatively heavy loads experienced by users running a > variety of apps on workstation. Using your example, I think that Win 95/98 > would have run even worse than NT for hosting Hotmail :-) Hehe, Hotmail, even though it is owned by Microsoft runs on 400 FreeBSD machines. Just like Microsoft's website is using BSDI. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 28 09:16:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA08559 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06554; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 May 1999 09:15:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06432; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06418; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (128.196.137.197 -> trifid.U.Arizona.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 May 1999 09:15:21 -0400 Received: from e770 (cx-p.opt-sci.arizona.edu [150.135.52.53]) by trifid.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12716; Fri, 28 May 1999 06:01:37 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.37.19990527162530.00a57100@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.37 (Beta) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 06:15:09 -0700 To: richard From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990527144718.009bdca0@pop.rcn.com> References: <"David W. Taylor"'s message of "Thu, 27 May 1999 07:37:36 -0700"> <6DB879346436D21198C500A0C9E1E1237FC8F1@ssiwgn03.swspectrum.co.nz> <002301bea7f3$b8cac2e0$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> <006501bea84e$7910c450$3087b3cc@MACGREGOR> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: > >Thinkpad NT fans - what am I missing? Well, we connect to big Sun servers using NFS etc and NT seems to do a better job (with enough RAM) than 95/98 running the same NFS software (fewer problems, crashes, etc). I use a 770E with 224 MB of RAM. It triple boots IMB PC DOS 7, NT4 (SP3) preload from IBM, and Sun Solaris 7 Intel platform edition (x86). If you want real stability and can find the apps you need, try Sun's Solaris on Intel, version 7. We run some fortran stuff (compiled with f77) and IDL from RSI - both work VERY nicely on Solaris - IDL seems better on Solaris than on NT. I find the Workshop compilers from Sun easier to use (especially the debugger) than those from MS. And NFS and all that stuff is native with Solaris so connecting with our Suns is totally transparent (seems just like Solaris on SPARC). Boots faster than NT and the OS doesn't crash (apps can but the OS stays up). I sure wish a few more hardware manufacturers of Intel stuff would support a real, multitasking, multiuser OS (my asbestos suit is on so ...). I tried RH Linux but Solaris has better NFS and stability and the Xserver from Xi Graphics works well in 24-bit/pixel (probably the same on Solaris or Linux). Solaris is a cheap experiment for developers/edu types from Sun - cost of media and shipping. It does however like LOTS of RAM and a big partition (4.5 GB of my 8 GB disk). There are various gotchas (like with Linux) so it isn't for the faint of heart but one you have it up and running, it is NICE. Suspend even works ... (but the processor seems to run full tilt all the time so battery life isn't stellar). Stuart From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 28 09:47:57 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA08729 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02646; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 May 1999 08:20:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02017; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww181.netaddress.usa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01978; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww181.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.81 -> ww181.netaddress.usa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 May 1999 08:20:38 -0400 Received: (qmail 3863 invoked by uid 60001); 28 May 1999 12:20:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990528122035.3862.qmail@ww181.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.81 by ww181 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Fri May 28 12:20:35 GMT 1999 Date: 28 May 99 07:20:35 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Donald Mak , Subject: Re: Win2000 beta 3 PRO X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: You may certainly be right about *heavy* loads when running as a server. = I was referring to the relatively heavy loads experienced by users running = a variety of apps on workstation. Using your example, I think that Win 95/9= 8 would have run even worse than NT for hosting Hotmail :-) Rob "Donald Mak" wrote: > NT may be a little more stable than Win95/98 I wouldn't go so far as to= say > it doesn't suffer under heavy loads. > No better example than the MS experience trying to run NT as the server= for > Hotmail after they purchased it. > It didn't take them long to scrap NT and bring back Sun.... > = > Don ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 28 11:09:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA09344 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14493; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 May 1999 11:07:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14305; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eclipse.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14209; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eclipse.net (207.207.192.13 -> mail.eclipse.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 May 1999 11:06:52 -0400 Received: from cnj1-09-166.eclipse.net (cnj1-09-166.eclipse.net [207.207.244.166]) by mail.eclipse.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA18897 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:06:41 -0400 (EDT) From: mdash@plexsys.com (Michael D. Scheer) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: NT/ACP modem/fax? Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:06:54 GMT Message-ID: <374eb00f.44626950@mail.eclipse.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: I'm running NT 4.0 on my TP600. Anyone know of a decent fax program that will run in this environment? As recently as 8.0. WinFax Pro did not support the ACP modem. Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 28 13:33:36 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10807 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 13:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24258; Fri, 28 May 1999 13:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 May 1999 13:31:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23992; Fri, 28 May 1999 13:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23925; Fri, 28 May 1999 13:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (203.216.5.12 -> smtp02.mail.gol.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 May 1999 13:30:35 -0400 Received: from vectra (tc-1-080.ariake.gol.ne.jp [203.216.42.80]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/893-SMTP-P) with SMTP id CAA27089 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 02:30:27 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <002501bea92f$b48ed850$0200a8c0@vectra> From: "Steve" To: Subject: Looking for Screw Kit for 600 Series Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 02:29:50 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I'm looking for the screw kit for the 600 series. I am using a Japanese model 600, but wish to replace it's keyboard with an US version, which I already obtained. The technical reference I downloaded from IBM's website says not to re-use the screws as these are made of nylon material: can't be tightly screwed back in again. Does anybody have any suggestions as to where I can purchase this part? Thanks in advance to all who can help. Steve stevekim@gol.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 28 14:01:29 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11140 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26118; Fri, 28 May 1999 13:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 May 1999 13:54:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25899; Fri, 28 May 1999 13:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25885; Fri, 28 May 1999 13:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from erich.triumf.ca (142.90.100.1 -> erich.Triumf.CA) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 May 1999 13:54:24 -0400 Received: from pmachule ([142.90.120.3]) by erich.triumf.ca with SMTP; Fri, 28 May 1999 10:54:00 -0700 From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Steve" Cc: Subject: Re: Looking for Screw Kit for 600 Series Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:59:00 -0700 Message-ID: <01bea933$c3cd7200$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: Ignore them and reuse the screws . If the screws are truly mucked after this grab your phone book and find a screw supplier i.e.. under Fasteners or something similar . The Tech manual should tell you what type they are ...usually 2.5mm?? . Plastic screws are ~ $0.10 in quantities of 10. The IBM screw kit will be something like $20 .......;-{ ..peter.. -----Original Message----- From: Steve To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 10:29 AM Subject: Looking for Screw Kit for 600 Series >Hi, > >I'm looking for the screw kit for the 600 series. I am using a Japanese >model 600, but wish to replace it's keyboard with an US version, which I >already obtained. >The technical reference I downloaded from IBM's website says not to re-use >the screws as these are made of nylon material: can't be tightly screwed >back in again. >Does anybody have any suggestions as to where I can purchase this part? >Thanks in advance to all who can help. > >Steve >stevekim@gol.com > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 28 14:20:04 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11462 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27707; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 May 1999 14:15:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27555; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27527; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.115 -> pilot015.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 May 1999 14:15:33 -0400 Received: from andres (pm530-25.dialip.mich.net [35.9.48.227]) by pilot015.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA31024 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:15:30 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990528141752.008c71a0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:17:52 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Looking for Screw Kit for 600 Series In-Reply-To: <01bea933$c3cd7200$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I once really messed up an expensive radio doing that, so there are dangers there. Some advice I got from an engineer once about this was to look at the screws very very carefully. You'll probably need a jewler's loop or some such to really look at them. If they look distorted *at all*, then you really need to replace them. If they aren't, chances are that you can reuse them safely. You'll spend so much time staring at them that you'll soon experience why businesses just get news ones. ;-) If they are distorted (usually they'll look a little flatter), then you can still use them *for a while*. What will happen is they'll unseat themselves over time, directly proportional to the amount of movement the equipment gets. My expensive mistake was in reusing bad screws and then being lax about ordering new ones. Had I done that I wouldn't have had the main logic board in the unit come done and have a tryst with the 12V power supply... A really good hardware store might have exactly what you need. There is one here in Ann Arbor that I think has most of the small size screws in mm, so I wouldn't be surprised if you might find them locally. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 10:59 AM 5/28/99 -0700, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: >Ignore them and reuse the screws . > >If the screws are truly mucked after this grab your phone book >and find a screw supplier i.e.. under Fasteners or something similar . >The Tech manual should tell you what type they are ...usually 2.5mm?? . >Plastic screws are ~ $0.10 in quantities of 10. > >The IBM screw kit will be something like $20 .......;-{ > >..peter.. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 10:29 AM >Subject: Looking for Screw Kit for 600 Series > > >>Hi, >> >>I'm looking for the screw kit for the 600 series. I am using a Japanese >>model 600, but wish to replace it's keyboard with an US version, which I >>already obtained. >>The technical reference I downloaded from IBM's website says not to re-use >>the screws as these are made of nylon material: can't be tightly screwed >>back in again. >>Does anybody have any suggestions as to where I can purchase this part? >>Thanks in advance to all who can help. >> >>Steve >>stevekim@gol.com >> >> > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri May 28 14:36:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11676 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29122; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 May 1999 14:30:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28940; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28901; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 May 1999 14:29:52 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-312.gate.net [199.227.131.121]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA222528; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:22:01 -0400 Message-ID: <374EDE65.E4235099@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:20:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP CC: Steve , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Looking for Screw Kit for 600 Series References: <01bea933$c3cd7200$03785a8e@pmachule> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Peter's right, EXCEPT, getting one screw from a jobber or distributor will be difficult.. besides that , IBM's screws are black.. the EASY way is to call boulder parts, 800-388-7080 and get the correct screws IF you really want to replace them all.. peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > Ignore them and reuse the screws . > > If the screws are truly mucked after this grab your phone book > and find a screw supplier i.e.. under Fasteners or something similar . > The Tech manual should tell you what type they are ...usually 2.5mm?? . > Plastic screws are ~ $0.10 in quantities of 10. > > The IBM screw kit will be something like $20 .......;-{ > > ..peter.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 10:29 AM > Subject: Looking for Screw Kit for 600 Series > > >Hi, > > > >I'm looking for the screw kit for the 600 series. I am using a Japanese > >model 600, but wish to replace it's keyboard with an US version, which I > >already obtained. > >The technical reference I downloaded from IBM's website says not to re-use > >the screws as these are made of nylon material: can't be tightly screwed > >back in again. > >Does anybody have any suggestions as to where I can purchase this part? > >Thanks in advance to all who can help. > > > >Steve > >stevekim@gol.com > > > > -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 29 02:27:33 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA18448 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 02:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24071; Sat, 29 May 1999 02:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 May 1999 02:25:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23946; Sat, 29 May 1999 02:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from valis.olywa.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23933; Sat, 29 May 1999 02:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from valis.olywa.net (205.163.58.2 -> olywa.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 May 1999 02:25:25 -0400 Received: from psynet.net ([208.1.200.140]) by valis.olywa.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-56662U5000L500S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 23:24:54 -0700 Message-ID: <374F88BE.9E310EB0@psynet.net> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:27:10 -0700 From: james Organization: ~*~ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: distorted line-in recording Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello Good Pad People! perhaps some knowledge I may dig up? I have a 765d. it will record with mic just fine. but the same jack is used for line in--if I try to run a tape deck or cd player in to record...it sounds fine, but records with an odd distortion, no matter the input levels. in a wave editor, the distortion looks like a mesa....all peaks are flatened, and it sounds at playback like its going thru a wax comb. maybe this is a question for some audio ng, but i thot i'd try yall. i called support....the guy knew less than I did. thanks a lot ppl. PLEASE RESPOND DIRECT EMAIL as I can not re-subscribe at this time. james From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 29 05:07:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA19169 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 05:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00401; Sat, 29 May 1999 05:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 May 1999 05:05:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00142; Sat, 29 May 1999 05:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00128; Sat, 29 May 1999 05:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hillsdale.edu (198.109.220.35 -> mail.hillsdale.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 May 1999 05:05:22 -0400 Received: from snfibm770ed (pC19F76E2.dip.t-online.de [193.159.118.226]) by mail.hillsdale.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id LZC43TGY; Sat, 29 May 1999 05:04:09 -0400 From: "Steven N. Fettig" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:05:12 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Hi All, I just wanted to ask what the average price I should be expecting to pay for a 128MB memory chip for my TP 770ED. I've seen Kingston prices around $500, but am not sure whether that is my best choice - for the price or brand. I am more interested in performance than price (although price will play somewhat of a role in the end). Thanks in advance for the help! Steve ________________________________________________________________________ Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MI Email: snfettig@hillsdale.edu Tel: (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 9667) Fax: +1 603 288 0296 ICQ: 15804759 _________________________________________________________________________ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 29 05:34:56 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA19262 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 05:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06057; Sat, 29 May 1999 05:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 May 1999 05:33:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05932; Sat, 29 May 1999 05:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hil-img-8.compuserve.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05919; Sat, 29 May 1999 05:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hil-img-8.compuserve.com (149.174.177.138 -> hil-img-8.compuserve.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 May 1999 05:33:40 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.18) id FAA14794 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 29 May 1999 05:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 05:32:51 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Setup probs with 56K Xircom card Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <199905290533_MC2-7767-374E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: I have tried to setup a Xircom 56k Global Access PC modem card for use on= my 755CX. It dials/connects but the machine waits for each packet burst and whilst = it processes, locks up all applications such as mouse, disk access etc. I have, by the way, loaded the correct Xircom modem drivers from the floppy= . The throughput guage on the taskbar shows 37700bps but this is not realis= ed as a result of the problem. The onboard MWave modem is flashed to 33600 and this is fine. I am sure this is a control code error somewhere. Can anyone help?? Thanks From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 29 07:01:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA19587 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 07:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08131; Sat, 29 May 1999 07:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 May 1999 06:59:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07953; Sat, 29 May 1999 06:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.snelnet.nl (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07940; Sat, 29 May 1999 06:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.snelnet.nl (192.87.106.106 -> server2.snelnet.nl) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 May 1999 06:59:12 -0400 Received: from 25858 (adsl-145-99-133-197.snelnet.nl [145.99.133.197]) by server2.snelnet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA29066 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 13:01:17 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000d01bea9c2$519ac680$0100005a@sneelnet.nl> Reply-To: "albatross" From: "albatross" To: Subject: [TP770Z] - Windows 2000 install probs. Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 12:59:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Hello List Members !!!! I have a TP770Z ( 9549-8AU) with win98. trying to install Windows 2000 Beta 3 as a "clean" install on a virtual disk. I upgraded the BIOS as instructed by IBM ( has to do with ACPI issues... ) but to no avail. After the restart - the machine hangs. this occurs right after NTDETECT V5.0 starts running. I left it "hanging" for 30 minutes - thinking maybe the H/W device detection process takes a long time - but - nothing happens.. anybody has any ideas ??? suggestions ???? p.s. does anybody no how to unistall windows 2000 ?? ( maybe I need to start from a clean bill of health.... ) rgrds - steve From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 29 10:16:59 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20540 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 10:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12861; Sat, 29 May 1999 10:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 May 1999 10:14:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12672; Sat, 29 May 1999 10:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12659; Sat, 29 May 1999 10:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.112 -> pilot012.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 May 1999 10:14:41 -0400 Received: from andres (port22.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.23]) by pilot012.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA25120 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 10:14:38 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990529101655.008ca100@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:16:55 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I've used Kingston in the past and have had no problems with them. They do seem to be a real company and will help out with bad memory, etc. As for the price, I can't help. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 11:05 AM 5/29/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hi All, > I just wanted to ask what the average price I should be expecting to >pay for a 128MB memory chip for my TP 770ED. I've seen Kingston prices >around $500, but am not sure whether that is my best choice - for the price >or brand. I am more interested in performance than price (although price >will play somewhat of a role in the end). > >Thanks in advance for the help! >Steve From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 29 11:27:32 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21155 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14868; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 May 1999 11:20:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14596; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14571; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 May 1999 11:20:30 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-357.gate.net [199.227.131.166]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA442360; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:22:04 -0400 Message-ID: <375005B8.35F07EBE@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:20:24 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steven N. Fettig" CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: 128MB Mem. Upgrade for TP 770ED - Pricing, Brand References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steve.. i sell it for $450, maybe less... performance is or should be the same across all brands... i have been told that memory is going up a bit due to some dumping cases ending and fines being imposed.. ALSO, don't buy micron (crucial) because i was told that they made a big sale to dell, h/p and ibm, then when they delivered the goods the drop out was way too high so the entire order from all was cancelled.. thus crucial is selling at very low prices to get rid of the stuff.. the part is goldenram that i would sell at $425 for a list member) to $450... Steven N. Fettig wrote: > Hi All, > I just wanted to ask what the average price I should be expecting to > pay for a 128MB memory chip for my TP 770ED. I've seen Kingston prices > around $500, but am not sure whether that is my best choice - for the price > or brand. I am more interested in performance than price (although price > will play somewhat of a role in the end). > > Thanks in advance for the help! > Steve > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Steven N. Fettig Network Administrator > Hillsdale College > Hillsdale, MI > Email: > snfettig@hillsdale.edu snfettig@pensys.com > Tel: > (USA & Canada - Voicemail) +1 888 835 3268 x2567 > (Int'l - Direct) +49 171 812 9667 (from the USA & Canada 011 49 171 812 > 9667) > Fax: > +1 603 288 0296 > ICQ: 15804759 > _________________________________________________________________________ -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 29 12:29:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA21817 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 12:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16958; Sat, 29 May 1999 12:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 May 1999 12:28:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16725; Sat, 29 May 1999 12:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wineasy.se (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16712; Sat, 29 May 1999 12:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wineasy.se (195.42.198.41 -> server1.wineasy.se) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 May 1999 12:28:00 -0400 Received: from [195.42.201.25] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.at1j) with ESMTP id ha661109 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:27:45 +0200 X-Sender: courage@mail.wineasy.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 18:22:08 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Wennersten Subject: subscribe Message-Id: <16274588801927@wineasy.se> List-Unsubscribe: subscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 29 13:16:40 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22198 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 13:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18083; Sat, 29 May 1999 13:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 May 1999 13:15:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17950; Sat, 29 May 1999 13:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17926; Sat, 29 May 1999 13:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 May 1999 13:14:56 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-357.gate.net [199.227.131.166]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA63456; Sat, 29 May 1999 13:16:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3750208A.52F1DE4A@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:14:50 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Wennersten CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: subscribe References: <16274588801927@wineasy.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The proper way to unsubscribe from this list: List-Unsubscribe: mailto: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe AND, i suppose, vice-versa..! :-) Peter Wennersten wrote: > subscribe -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 29 21:42:52 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA27145 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 21:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29459; Sat, 29 May 1999 21:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 May 1999 21:39:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29235; Sat, 29 May 1999 21:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29222; Sat, 29 May 1999 21:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.120 -> pilot020.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 May 1999 21:39:48 -0400 Received: from andres (port20.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.21]) by pilot020.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA20660 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 21:39:43 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990529214156.008cc910@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 21:41:56 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: [TP 1451 i] accessory questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I suspect that Bill Morrow will have most of the answers, but: 1) Whats the largest disk that a 1451 i can handle? 2) Who makes good LiON batteries? 3) Who makes a good DC adaptor cable? Thanks... --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 29 23:01:45 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28023 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01540; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 May 1999 22:58:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01210; Sat, 29 May 1999 22:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01196; Sat, 29 May 1999 22:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (149.174.183.75 -> smtp6.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 May 1999 22:58:42 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 May 1999 22:58:38 -0400 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (h-182-213.mn.mediaone.net [209.32.182.213]) by hil-img-ims-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with ESMTP id WAA02896; Sat, 29 May 1999 22:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3750A931.DE0AC264@csc.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 21:57:53 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: albatross CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP770Z] - Windows 2000 install probs. References: <000d01bea9c2$519ac680$0100005a@sneelnet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Try posting your problem in one of the microsoft.public.winnt50.beta.setup.* newsgroups. These are available on the msnews.microsoft.com news server. A quick search on Dejanews showed that this type of problem isn't unique to you. They might have some direct answers for you. As for uninstall, the best bet would be to reformat. If that's not an option, then at least delete the \Winnt and \Program Files folders. Good luck, Rob albatross wrote: > > Hello List Members !!!! > > I have a TP770Z ( 9549-8AU) with win98. trying to install Windows 2000 Beta > 3 as a "clean" install on a virtual disk. I upgraded the BIOS as instructed > by IBM ( has to do with ACPI issues... ) but to no avail. After the > restart - the machine hangs. this occurs right after NTDETECT V5.0 starts > running. I left it "hanging" for 30 minutes - thinking maybe the H/W device > detection process takes a long time - but - nothing happens.. > > anybody has any ideas ??? suggestions ???? > > p.s. does anybody no how to unistall windows 2000 ?? ( maybe I need to > start from a clean bill of health.... ) > > rgrds - steve From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 29 23:41:43 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28481 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02636; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 May 1999 23:38:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02434; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from einstein.phy.duke.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02421; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from einstein.phy.duke.edu (152.3.182.4 -> einstein.phy.duke.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 May 1999 23:38:52 -0400 Received: from lem.phy.duke.edu (hsg@lem.phy.duke.edu [152.3.182.25]) by einstein.phy.duke.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02759 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hsg@localhost) by lem.phy.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA20221; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:38:49 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 23:38:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199905300338.XAA20221@lem.phy.duke.edu> From: "Henry S. Greenside" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Questions about Thinkpad 570... List-Unsubscribe: Can't find a 570 within driving distance and so had some questions for anyone who might have one (am considering upgrading a 560E to a 570 for the bigger screen and faster chip): - Is the keyboard identical to the 560E, same good touch? - The 570 description says that the video chip "includes 3D support". What does this mean exactly? It will accelerate Microsoft Direct3D when playing games or for graphical programs? - Can one hook up any external portable DVD drive and expect to be able to view a movie? The video chip is claimed to support MPEG2 but does the 570 come with software to play movies from a DVD? I would probably buy an external portable DVD drive rather than the ultrabase to save weight. - Is the system rugged? In making the system so thin, is the LCD or keyboard flexible and so more prone to breaking? - Is the internal modem based on a signal processing chip and so can't be run from Linux? Any comments pro or con would be appreciated. Please answer to me via e-mail since I usually don't read the many postings in this group. Thanks, Henry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat May 29 23:49:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28539 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03165; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 May 1999 23:47:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03001; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02987; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 May 1999 23:47:35 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.12.238]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990530034731.FUIO21411@770>; Sun, 30 May 1999 03:47:31 +0000 Message-ID: <3750B4CE.6734@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 23:47:26 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Henry S. Greenside" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Questions about Thinkpad 570... References: <199905300338.XAA20221@lem.phy.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The problem with portable PCMCIA DVD drives is that you can't do DMA through the PCMCIA port. IF you can't get the DVD drive to do DMA, you won't get smooth playback of DVD no matter how fast your machine is or what hardware you use. Henry S. Greenside wrote: > > Can't find a 570 within driving distance and so had > some questions for anyone who might have one (am > considering upgrading a 560E to a 570 for the bigger > screen and faster chip): > > - Is the keyboard identical to the 560E, same good > touch? > > - The 570 description says that the video chip > "includes 3D support". What does this mean exactly? > It will accelerate Microsoft Direct3D when playing > games or for graphical programs? > > - Can one hook up any external portable DVD drive and > expect to be able to view a movie? The video chip is > claimed to support MPEG2 but does the 570 come with > software to play movies from a DVD? I would probably > buy an external portable DVD drive rather than the > ultrabase to save weight. > > - Is the system rugged? In making the system so thin, > is the LCD or keyboard flexible and so more prone to > breaking? > > - Is the internal modem based on a signal processing > chip and so can't be run from Linux? > > Any comments pro or con would be appreciated. Please > answer to me via e-mail since I usually don't read the > many postings in this group. > > Thanks, > > Henry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 00:08:17 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA28705 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04180; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 00:05:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03966; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from einstein.phy.duke.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03952; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from einstein.phy.duke.edu (152.3.182.4 -> einstein.phy.duke.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 00:05:44 -0400 Received: from lem.phy.duke.edu (hsg@lem.phy.duke.edu [152.3.182.25]) by einstein.phy.duke.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA02918; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hsg@localhost) by lem.phy.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA20253; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:05:39 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 00:05:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199905300405.AAA20253@lem.phy.duke.edu> From: "Henry S. Greenside" To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-reply-to: <3750B4CE.6734@worldnet.att.net> (message from Bruce Markowitz on Sat, 29 May 1999 23:47:26 -0400) Subject: Re: Questions about Thinkpad 570... List-Unsubscribe: >>>>> " " == Bruce Markowitz writes: > The problem with portable PCMCIA DVD drives is that > you can't do DMA through the PCMCIA port. IF you > can't get the DVD drive to do DMA, you won't get > smooth playback of DVD no matter how fast your > machine is or what hardware you use. A helpful point, thanks, I was not aware of this. I am confused though. The IBM info sheet on the 570 says that the PC card slots are Zoomed Video (ZV) enabled. Doesn't this mean that they use DMA? The company EXP (www.expnet.com) sells a combination of external DVD drive and PCMCIA MPEG2 card that are supposed to work with a ZV port. Won't this work to show a movie? Does the IBM DVD drive that plugs into the Ultradrive do DMA? Thanks for your answer. Henry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 00:25:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA28878 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05152; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 00:22:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04983; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LCS.MIT.EDU (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04970; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LCS.MIT.EDU (18.26.0.36 -> mintaka.lcs.mit.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 00:22:37 -0400 Received: from ursa-minor-home.lcs.mit.edu by MINTAKA.LCS.MIT.EDU id aa06138; 30 May 99 0:22 EDT Message-ID: <3750BCDA.FDE345C4@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 00:21:46 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Henry S. Greenside" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Questions about Thinkpad 570... References: <199905300338.XAA20221@lem.phy.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: "Henry S. Greenside" wrote: > - Is the system rugged? In making the system so thin, > is the LCD or keyboard flexible and so more prone to > breaking? Only time will tell. To me, it feels a fair bit less rugged than a 600. It feels like the whole case flexes. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 00:41:38 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA28991 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05878; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 00:39:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05673; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05657; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 00:39:20 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-303.gate.net [199.227.131.112]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA391522; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:40:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3750C0EE.B5958BCD@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 00:39:10 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Henry S. Greenside" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Questions about Thinkpad 570... References: <199905300338.XAA20221@lem.phy.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: OK.. the 570 is superior to the 560.. Henry S. Greenside wrote: > Can't find a 570 within driving distance and so had > some questions for anyone who might have one (am > considering upgrading a 560E to a 570 for the bigger > screen and faster chip): > its UNLIKELY that you'll find a 570 in the flesh at a computer shop, anyplace..they're still in very short supply.. > - Is the keyboard identical to the 560E, same good > touch? > better.. > - The 570 description says that the video chip > "includes 3D support". What does this mean exactly? > It will accelerate Microsoft Direct3D when playing > games or for graphical programs? > i don't know.. :-) > - Can one hook up any external portable DVD drive and > expect to be able to view a movie? The video chip is > claimed to support MPEG2 but does the 570 come with > software to play movies from a DVD? I would probably > buy an external portable DVD drive rather than the > ultrabase to save weight. > the 570 plus the ultrabase is about the same size as the 770..i have not investigated a PCMCIA DVD CD, in fact, i didn't know one existed, though i'm unsurprised that they do.. :-) you should note that the 570 DVD and the 600 DVD are the same part, and are as rare or more rare than the 570 is.. at least up to last week.. > - Is the system rugged? In making the system so thin, > is the LCD or keyboard flexible and so more prone to > breaking? > hard to judge this until you actually do the famous "airport throw"..this is where you inadvertantly throw your thinkpad across an airport.. sometimes they survive, sometimes not.. i would say the 570 is hardier than the 560.. it felt sturdy, anywany.. (i had one for a customer in italy who allowed me to play with it for a weekend) > - Is the internal modem based on a signal processing > chip and so can't be run from Linux? > i THINK its a winmodem thing..i don't like the winmodem idea at all.. > Any comments pro or con would be appreciated. Please > answer to me via e-mail since I usually don't read the > many postings in this group. > why don't you read these writings..?this is NOT the bathroom at the airport, afterall.. :-)) > Thanks, > > Henry -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 00:49:13 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA29080 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06432; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 00:46:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06262; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06249; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 00:46:53 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl2-303.gate.net [199.227.131.112]) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA97720; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:48:26 -0400 Message-ID: <3750C2B5.549FEAAC@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 00:46:45 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP 1451 i] accessory questions References: <3.0.6.32.19990529214156.008cc910@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: STeve.. :-) STeve Andre' wrote: > I suspect that Bill Morrow will have most of the answers, but: > maybe not such satisifying answers, but answers nevertheless... > 1) Whats the largest disk that a 1451 i can handle? > 17mm.. > 2) Who makes good LiON batteries? > the japanese.. > 3) Who makes a good DC adaptor cable? > huh..?? OKok.. so NOW you want me to guess at the real questions.. ok, in order (so as not to fowl up the flow of the hopefully amusing answers above.. 1. probably 6.4gig at least.. MAYBE 8.1gig or beyond.. 2. IBM.. there are other aftermarket makers, like extend systems which are a bit cheaper in cost, not sure of the quality however.. 3. 12v DC to TP adapter is, Extend Systems again.. you can also get a cheap inverter.. 12VDC to 120VAC to 16VDC for TP.. > Thanks... > > --STeve Andre' > andres@pilot.msu.edu -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 09:23:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA01841 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 09:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22222; Sun, 30 May 1999 09:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 09:20:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22013; Sun, 30 May 1999 09:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21973; Sun, 30 May 1999 09:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 09:19:01 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-15.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.15]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA27656 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 09:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990530092436.0158c434@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 09:24:36 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: FS: Killer TP770x package. In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990527154510.009b98f0@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: One of our consultants, "flew the coop," so to speak over the weekend, and after a rash of brain storming with the rest of the crew, I've decided to not replace him in our pool of consultants (All, mighty 7 of us now, like the dwarves but working to cover his absence and reaping the financial benefits....). As a result, his workstation is up for sale (You'll notice I let my consultants basically get what they want in terms of computer accessories. They just can't take 'em with them if they decide to leave shop!). Someone laid dibs to his 21" monitor, ST7760 and laser printer (and chair and shelves?!....sheesh what scavengers!), so here is what's left and I prefer not to break it up: It consists of the following: ---------------------------------------------- 9549-7bu (TP770x, 13.7" SXVGA, 8.1gig, NT) Kingston 128meg upgrade x2 (320megs total) VST UltraBay Zip Drive 1.44 floppy & DVD Drive USR XJ5560 56k PCMCIA Xjack Modem Card 3Com 10/100mbps Xjack PC Card (32-bit) Adapter 3547-003 (SelectaDock III) SelectaBase 770 Extra 56w AC Adapter (Required for SB770) (Creative VooDoo2 12 meg installed) (3C905b 10/100mbps PCI Adapter installed) (External SCSI Zip drive) ------------------------------------------------ All equipment is registered to me personally in care of ElectroSoft Consulting. All equipment will come with original invoices (From various vendors, we shop for price) and all equipment is in excellent condition with original packaging. This is a great bundle. I use an identical bundle except with a TP 770z (9549-8au), and it is sweet to say the least. Equipment is approximately 1.5mo old. $4400.00 is an extremely fair price, IMHO and someone will end up with an extraordinary setup for nearly the price of the notebook alone. We are basically IBM zealots around here and can attest to the fact that the 770x/z notebooks are simply fabulous. $4400.00 shipped to anyone's door FedEx Prepaid or I can take credit cards (Visa/MC No surcharge). First come first serve? :) I check my email every few hours on Sundays and refuse to answer the phone on my day of rest (Like answering emails is rest?). Payment of credit card gets it shipped out next day. Equipment will be factory installed, boxed up and ready to go by Tuesday Morn. Package will go on ebay (probably to be bidded up to 10million by a user with -2 rating ) on Wednesday if there are no takers. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 09:47:25 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA02001 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 09:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22924; Sun, 30 May 1999 09:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 09:45:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22752; Sun, 30 May 1999 09:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22739; Sun, 30 May 1999 09:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (207.172.3.234 -> smtp1.erols.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 09:44:58 -0400 Received: from richard (r82aap002986.nyr.cable.rcn.com [216.164.6.71]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA16472; Sun, 30 May 1999 09:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990530092703.00959d50@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 09:45:06 -0400 To: Bill Morrow From: richard Subject: Re: Questions about Thinkpad 570... Cc: "Henry S. Greenside" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3750C0EE.B5958BCD@icanect.net> References: <199905300338.XAA20221@lem.phy.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:39 AM 5/30/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >> - Is the internal modem based on a signal processing >> chip and so can't be run from Linux? >> >i THINK its a winmodem thing..i don't like the winmodem idea at all.. It's a Lucent winmodem. Won't work under Linux (unless someone has written a new driver in the last few days). Calling my ISP from home I get initial connect speeds of about 45k, comparable to the 3com internal modem (not winmodem) in my desktop. From my office, I get speeds of about 24k, slower than the old 33.6 PPI pcmcia modem and much slower than the new 3com 56k pcmicia modem I tried. I'd have happily paid a few more dollars for a better internal modem. I'm very happy with the 570. The keyboard and screen are excellent. A few nits, other than the modem - the 4gb drive it came with made a constant fan-like noise (I replaced it with a 10gb drive which is much quieter when not in operation, but makes a crackly crunch noise when in operation. There's a built-in fan, which is very quiet). The right side on the screen (the IBM logo region) gets quite warm. I wish that TP keyboard came with full size function keys (F1, home, end, etc.) And I wish it came with a builtin ethernet card. If you'll use DVD with any frequency, get a 600. If you'll use a cdrom a lot, consider a 600, or copy the cdroms to your hard drive. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 11:15:42 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02831 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24908; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 11:12:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24703; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24686; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.37 -> mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 11:12:13 -0400 Received: from 770 ([12.79.13.174]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990530151210.JKBS21411@770>; Sun, 30 May 1999 15:12:10 +0000 Message-ID: <37515542.72C1@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:12:02 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Henry S. Greenside" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Questions about Thinkpad 570... References: <199905300405.AAA20253@lem.phy.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have the exp/Margi kit. It does work, but scenes with high intensity video/sound (such as explosions) tend to start "jittering". Not a perfect solution. Zoom Video gets the Video input directly into the video bus, giving 30FPS full otion video. It does not get the data from the drive into the computer any faster. I don't know about the IBM accessory Henry S. Greenside wrote: > > >>>>> " " == Bruce Markowitz writes: > > > The problem with portable PCMCIA DVD drives is that > > you can't do DMA through the PCMCIA port. IF you > > can't get the DVD drive to do DMA, you won't get > > smooth playback of DVD no matter how fast your > > machine is or what hardware you use. > > A helpful point, thanks, I was not aware of this. > > I am confused though. The IBM info sheet on the 570 > says that the PC card slots are Zoomed Video (ZV) > enabled. Doesn't this mean that they use DMA? > > The company EXP (www.expnet.com) sells a combination of > external DVD drive and PCMCIA MPEG2 card that are > supposed to work with a ZV port. Won't this work to > show a movie? > > Does the IBM DVD drive that plugs into the Ultradrive > do DMA? > > Thanks for your answer. > > Henry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 11:37:53 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03049 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25722; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 11:35:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25553; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wineasy.se (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25540; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wineasy.se (195.42.198.41 -> server1.wineasy.se) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 11:35:31 -0400 Received: from [195.42.201.95] by mail.wineasy.se (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.at1j) with ESMTP id oa661610 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:35:16 +0200 X-Sender: courage@mail.wineasy.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 04:19:51 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Wennersten Subject: can I use 800x600 on an XGA TFT machine? Message-Id: <15351651207023@wineasy.se> List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I am rather new to laptop technology but am thinking of getting an I-series 1458 (300MMX/64/13.3"TFT). I'll mainly use it for wordprocessing and Internet. My question is: The machine supports XGA, but does that mean that it is not possible to set the resolution to 800x600 (and in that way be able to get larger text on the screen which is more comfy for the eyes)? And also, does anyone know if the battery lasts for the 2.8 hours specified. Relatedly, am I a sucker to buy a machine with NiMH battery instead of Lithium Ion? Thanks for any advice on the above. Peter From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 11:50:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03273 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26367; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 11:48:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26258; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26245; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (128.143.2.9 -> mail.Virginia.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 11:48:07 -0400 Received: from unix.mail.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa19631; 30 May 99 11:48 EDT Received: from dlee-ee15.dsc.com ([208.233.12.99]) by unix.mail.Virginia.EDU (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA34018; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:48:05 -0400 Message-ID: <002101beaab3$bc2ebc80$c1fa10ac@dlee-ee15.dsc.com> Reply-To: David Lee From: David Lee To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Peter Wennersten MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at mail.virginia.edu Subject: Re: can I use 800x600 on an XGA TFT machine? Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:47:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Use it is possible but it will look like crap. An LCD does this differently from a CRT. 1. Use only a portion of the LCD. Meaning you have a thick black border around the 800x600 window. 2. Double dots needed, so the characters look thicker than normal. either way the effect will not be good. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Wennersten To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 11:37 AM Subject: can I use 800x600 on an XGA TFT machine? >Hi, > >I am rather new to laptop technology but am thinking of getting an I-series >1458 (300MMX/64/13.3"TFT). I'll mainly use it for wordprocessing and >Internet. My question is: > >The machine supports XGA, but does that mean that it is not possible to set >the resolution to 800x600 (and in that way be able to get larger text on the >screen which is more comfy for the eyes)? > >And also, does anyone know if the battery lasts for the 2.8 hours specified. >Relatedly, am I a sucker to buy a machine with NiMH battery instead of >Lithium Ion? > >Thanks for any advice on the above. > >Peter > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 11:59:28 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03346 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26887; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 11:57:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26772; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26755; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.42 -> mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 11:57:13 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.237]) by mtiwmhc07.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with SMTP id <19990530155709.EUPM19835@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 15:57:09 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990530115826.00b6b620@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:58:26 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Questions about Thinkpad 570... In-Reply-To: <199905300338.XAA20221@lem.phy.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:38 PM 5/29/99 -0400, Henry S. Greenside wrote: >Any comments pro or con would be appreciated. Please >answer to me via e-mail since I usually don't read the >many postings in this group. > I've seen a couple of requests like this recently. A gentle reminder that it's considered rude in mailing lists, newsgroups and even in Real Life to tell others that you want the information they have that you need but that you're not interested in anything else that they have to say. It would be far more tactful to simply ask that you be cc'd on the reply since your ISP is not reliable or some other such nonsense. FWIW, I'm not impressed by the 570 and its base. (Obligatory ThinkPad content) Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 12:14:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03501 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 12:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27555; Sun, 30 May 1999 12:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 12:12:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27440; Sun, 30 May 1999 12:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27427; Sun, 30 May 1999 12:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.109 -> pilot009.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 12:12:17 -0400 Received: from andres (port04.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.5]) by pilot009.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA16246 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 12:12:13 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990530121434.008c9540@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:14:34 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: can I use 800x600 on an XGA TFT machine? In-Reply-To: <15351651207023@wineasy.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: A 1458? My, a new one out already? I have a 1451. Sure that isn't what you are talking of? On my 1451 I can set the resolution to 640x480 and 800x600, but when I just tried that (I've never gone away from 1024x768 before) the fonts wern't right and text looked strange. Oh crap--this won't work. No, you can't meaningfully change the resolution. An LCD display works differently than a CRT does. Hmmm. The screen looked strange because each pixel was enlarged by some factor, but since it wasn't a factor of four, it couldn't scale correctly, thus looking strange. So, no--you are stuck with 1024x768 mode if you want it to look good. I was supposed to get a LiON battery with mine but got a NiMH instead. I can get about 2 hours of life out of it if I keep the screen brightness down and have the disk turn off after a minute of idle time, etc. Given my experiences with LiON batteries in other applications, I could see IBM's claim that the LiON could give 3.8 hours of life. I'd suggest getting the LiON battery if you can. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 04:19 AM 5/30/99 -0400, Peter Wennersten wrote: >Hi, > >I am rather new to laptop technology but am thinking of getting an I-series >1458 (300MMX/64/13.3"TFT). I'll mainly use it for wordprocessing and >Internet. My question is: > >The machine supports XGA, but does that mean that it is not possible to set >the resolution to 800x600 (and in that way be able to get larger text on the >screen which is more comfy for the eyes)? > >And also, does anyone know if the battery lasts for the 2.8 hours specified. >Relatedly, am I a sucker to buy a machine with NiMH battery instead of >Lithium Ion? > >Thanks for any advice on the above. > >Peter > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 13:37:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03978 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 13:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29965; Sun, 30 May 1999 13:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 13:34:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29773; Sun, 30 May 1999 13:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29759; Sun, 30 May 1999 13:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 13:34:42 -0400 Received: from paddy (mg134-244.ricochet.net [204.179.134.244]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA04074; Sun, 30 May 1999 12:34:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Peter Wennersten" , Subject: RE: can I use 800x600 on an XGA TFT machine? Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 10:34:30 -0700 Message-ID: <001301beaac2$ac6f5f70$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <15351651207023@wineasy.se> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: > The machine supports XGA, but does that mean that it is not > possible to set > the resolution to 800x600 (and in that way be able to get larger > text on the > screen which is more comfy for the eyes)? You've gotten some answers explaining why you can't just change the resolution and have it do what you hoped. Now to try to solve the problem... If you're accustomed to running a CRT at 800x600, you probably use the Small Fonts setting in Windows, right? (If you're thinking "Small Fonts? Huh?" then that's the setting you're using--it's the standard Windows setting.) If that's the case, what you want to do is go into the Display control panel, and on the Settings page, find where you can select Small Fonts or Large Fonts. It will be either on the Settings page itself or under an Advanced... button in that page. Change it to Large Fonts. This will increase all your Windows font sizes by 25%, which happens to be the same increase you'd gain by switching a CRT from 1024x768 to 800x600. But you'll get much better defined, more readable characters this way. Another tip: Use Verdana for all your Windows system fonts. In the Display control panel, the Appearance page lets you set the font for title bars, menus, and the like. I use Verdana 7 for everything, which is small but completely readable on the sharp ThinkPad display. Verdana 10 is very nice for a larger, heavier type size. And be sure to turn on font smoothing in the Plus! or Effects page of the Display panel. If you're used to CRTs, you may be pleasantly surprised to find you can use smaller type quite comfortably on the ThinkPad's TFT panel. Verdana 7 is too small and thin for me on even the best CRT, but it looks great on the ThinkPad. That's because the TFT panel has essentially perfect sharpness, unlike a CRT which creates only a rough approximation of the pixels it's trying to display. -Mike Looking for a Geary? Hundreds of us at Geary Central: http://Geary.com/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 14:11:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04163 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 14:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01171; Sun, 30 May 1999 14:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 14:09:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00968; Sun, 30 May 1999 14:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpcug.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00952; Sun, 30 May 1999 14:09:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from cpcug.org (205.197.248.25 -> cpcug.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 14:09:05 -0400 Received: from dc-csesp15.idsonline.com (dc-csesp15.idsonline.com [207.176.21.15]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA18691 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 14:06:57 -0400 (EDT) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New TP 1451 i user Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:06:05 GMT Message-ID: <375277af.12566111@cpcug.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: I have a Thinkpad 1451 i series notebook... Intel Pentium MMX 300 MHz 64 mb ram 4.126 mb space ( I have 2 gb of Winbloze 98 on drive c and 2 gb of Red = Hat 6.0 Linux on drive d...) internal 56K modem, cd-rom, floppy,=20 Q's: There is a pcmcia card to plug your PP or SCSI Iomega zip drive into the pcmcia slot. How do I mount a zip drive in Linux? There software is only for Mac/Win...any good docs on the net?=20 =20 As far as configuring pcmcia w/ Linux, any good doc's on the net? What's a good pcimca net card for the TP (good under Winbloze or Linux)? IBM Etherjet 10/100 cardbus? What's the best way to transfer files from a desktop PC to the TP...Linux to Linux? Apache? Right know I only have Winbloze on my desktop, so I would use DCC and copy the files to my laptop's c drive, = then in Linux I would transfer the files over.. What kind interface (converter) do u need to connect the internal LT win modem line to a cell fone?=20 What's "the" pcmcia on line store. Like "pcmcia cards r us"... Tia from, ---- Russ Winkler ICQ#13977273 mailto:russw@cpcug.org Capital PC User Group -"Users Helping Users" From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 16:27:55 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05138 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03886; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 16:25:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03636; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03623; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (204.182.16.2 -> tdl.tdl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 16:25:06 -0400 Received: from chuck (tdl-dyn212.tdl.com [205.162.12.212]) by tdl.tdl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA18953 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 13:24:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199905302024.NAA18953@tdl.tdl.com> From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:24:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Serial & IR port simultaneously Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) List-Unsubscribe: Awhile back, I seem to remember a post with instructions about how to get a ThinkPad 380's serial port and IR port to work at the same time (I'm also using a PCMCIA modem and network card). Of course I forgot to save the post since it wasn't relevant at the time. Now it is. Trying to switch settings from the "Features" seems to insist that either the IR or the Serial port be disabled. Anybody remember this procedure? TIA. Chuck Blaisdell From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 16:53:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05359 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04631; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 16:50:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04481; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04467; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (204.179.143.6 -> rgate1.ricochet.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 16:50:41 -0400 Received: from MACGREGOR (mg-20425426-175.ricochet.net [204.254.26.175]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA15938; Sun, 30 May 1999 15:50:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001501beaade$01a0f560$af1afecc@MACGREGOR> From: "David W. Taylor" To: Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: <199905302024.NAA18953@tdl.tdl.com> Subject: Re: Serial & IR port simultaneously Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:50:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by CS.UTK.EDU id QAA04631 The link to the IBM ThinkPad support site is: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/LWIK-3VCGJX.html?lang=3Den_US&page=3Dbran= d&brand =3DIBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+600%7C2645%7C41U&up=3D%25%25q7X9J7ZCXQ7fsBd5Fs= T&ut=3D%2 5%25dKHyBpRPR7Z4jGsSL-dNoqoDetaYF787Ob1.CvVcH3TPXolHPpCbBUrjbvDXNEHNR%26Y= xm% 2BMEHzOCesNh2A.QFnJOvdzInIH9FhkC2%2BWsrPEw5bFXO%2BhsN17jS0uf%25Do8%25e9oo= 8Yk 1mgosM1oN5K This looks so weird that I will go ahead and post the whole article. David -- TP 600,770/E/ED - How to have the IR port, serial port, and ACP modem enabled at the same time Applicable Countries World-Wide Service Hints & Tips SYMPTOM: Trying to enable the IR port, serial port, and ACP modem at the same time for use on the ThinkPad 600 or ThinkPad 770/E/ED (not all models of the 7= 70 have a built in modem). CONFIGURATION: Any ThinkPad 600 or 770/E/ED with the built in ACP modem running Windows = 95. SOLUTION: The steps provided here assume that you are still working with the defaul= t configuration of the ThinkPad (IR enabled on COM 1, modem enabled on COM = 2 and the serial port disabled). If you are adding another device to your ThinkPad, such as a network PC Card see the note at the end of the docume= nt before proceeding for additional information. Changing the resources for your audio device 1.) Go to Device Manager by clicking on Start, then Settings, then Contro= l Panel, and then System. 2.) Click on the Device Manager tab in the System Properties window. 3.) Go to the Sound, video and game controllers section and double-click = on Crystal PnP Audio System CODEC. 4.) Click on the Resources tab. 5.) Click in the box Use automatic settings to remove the check mark. 6.) Click on the word Interrupt Request once in the Resource settings win= dow so that it is highlighted and then click on the Change Settings button. 7.) Click on the Up arrow to the right of the Value field until it says 9. In the Conflict information window it should say that there are no conflicting devices. Click on OK. 8.) Click on OK again. You will get an error message about forcing a configuration. Click on Yes to continue. Changing the resources for your IR port 1.) In Device Manager, go to the Ports (COM & LPT) section and double-cli= ck on Built-in Infrared port on laptop or desktop (COM1). 2.) Click on the Resources tab. 3.) Click in the box Use automatic settings to remove the check mark. 4.) Click on the Down arrow to the right of where it says Basic configuration 0000. Select Basic configuration 0004. 5.) Click on the word Interrupt Request once in the Resource settings win= dow so that it is highlighted and then click on the Change Settings button. 6.) Click on the Up arrow to the right of the Value field until it says 5. In the Conflict information window it should say that there are no conflicting devices. Click on OK. 7.) Click on OK again. You will get an error message about forcing a configuration. Click on Yes to continue. Changing the resources for your serial port 1.) In Device Manager, go to the Ports (COM & LPT) section and double-cli= ck on Communications Port (COM1). 2.) On the General tab in the Device usage section, make sure that there = is not a check mark beside Disable in this hardware profile. 3.) Click on the Resources tab. If your serial port was disabled then you will need to click on the Set Configuration Manually button next. 4.) Click in the box Use automatic settings to remove the check mark. 5.) Click on the Down arrow to the right of where it says Basic configuration 0000. Select Basic configuration 0002. 6.) Click on OK. You will get an error message about forcing a configuration. Click on Yes to continue. After completing the above procedures, close Device Manager. You will the= n need to shutdown Windows 95. After the ThinkPad has powered off, wait a f= ew seconds and then power on the ThinkPad. Your ThinkPad is now properly configured to use the IR port, serial port, and the modem. Note: By having the serial port, IR port, and the modem enabled at the same tim= e, you are using all the available IRQs on your system. If you are going to = be installing a PC Card that requires the use of an IRQ then you will need t= o somehow free up a resource to allow this. The DSP controller in the Think= Pad 600 will allow you to share the IRQ between the DSP controller and the modem. This will free up one IRQ for use with another device. For instructions on how to share IRQs you can refer to your On-line User's Gu= ide that is preloaded on your ThinkPad, go to the On-line User's Guide on the web, or view the on-line document. After enabling the sharing of IRQs between the DSP controller and the mod= em you will have IRQ 10 free. Most network PC Cards like to use IRQ 9 howeve= r. To accommodate for this, simply move the audio device to IRQ 10, instead = of 9 (following the instructions detailed above) which will then free up the appropriate IRQ for your network adapter. Document ID: LWIK-3VCGJX Copyright =A9 1998 IBM Corporation ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Blaisdell To: Sent: Sunday, May 30, 1999 1:24 PM Subject: Serial & IR port simultaneously > Awhile back, I seem to remember a post with instructions about how to > get a ThinkPad 380's serial port and IR port to work at the same time (= I'm > also using a PCMCIA modem and network card). Of course I forgot to > save the post since it wasn't relevant at the time. Now it is. Trying= to > switch settings from the "Features" seems to insist that either the IR = or > the Serial port be disabled. Anybody remember this procedure? TIA. > > Chuck Blaisdell > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 17:09:46 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05468 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09014; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 17:06:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08357; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07647; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 17:04:46 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-84.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.84]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA26641 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990530171020.006cd634@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 17:10:20 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Modem upgrade... In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990527154510.009b98f0@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Well, it seems there is a Santa Claus... The newest update of the ACP modem drivers now has 4 ed's, 2 x's and 1 z connecting at 44000+ across all the lines we've tested these puppies (4 different lines so far). The connections are much more stable than before and a few of us may actually do away with our PC Cards for modem operation if this keeps up! Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 17:42:00 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05585 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08614; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 17:03:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07015; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06592; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 17:01:35 -0400 Received: from p2-450 (client-151-204-210-84.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.84]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA25243 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990530170716.0158e458@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 17:07:16 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: FS: Killer TP770x package. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: >One of our consultants, "flew the coop," so >to speak over the weekend, and after a >rash of brain storming with the rest of >the crew, I've decided to not replace >him in our pool of consultants (All, mighty >7 of us now, like the dwarves but working to >cover his absence and reaping the financial >benefits....). > Package is sold.... thanks to all who responded. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 19:24:07 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA05938 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 19:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22857; Sun, 30 May 1999 19:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 19:21:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22637; Sun, 30 May 1999 19:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22624; Sun, 30 May 1999 19:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (204.182.16.2 -> tdl.tdl.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 19:21:29 -0400 Received: from chuck (tdl-dyn194.tdl.com [205.162.12.194]) by tdl.tdl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA10587; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:21:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199905302321.QAA10587@tdl.tdl.com> From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: "David W. Taylor" Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:21:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Serial & IR port simultaneously Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com CC: "ThinkPad List" Priority: normal In-reply-to: <001501beaade$01a0f560$af1afecc@MACGREGOR> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) List-Unsubscribe: On 30 May 99, at 13:50, David W. Taylor wrote: > The link to the IBM ThinkPad support site is: Thanks. I'll do some looking there. > TP 600,770/E/ED - How to have the IR port, serial port, and ACP modem > enabled at the same time > Thanks for taking the time to quote the article. Unfortunately, the 380ED doesn't have the ACP modem, but rather I'm using a PCMCIA modem. And there's more than one Cyrstal Sound device listed in Device Manager. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 22:31:47 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06568 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27489; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 22:28:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27257; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27244; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.109 -> pilot009.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 22:28:53 -0400 Received: from andres (port35.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.174]) by pilot009.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA46710 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:28:50 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990530223112.008b9940@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:31:12 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: can I use 800x600 on an XGA TFT machine? In-Reply-To: <001301beaac2$ac6f5f70$0a01a8c0@paddy.geary.com> References: <15351651207023@wineasy.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Thats a good idea, but it doesn't work. I just spent some time doing just this, altering the size of the fonts and at no point did I get anything that looked decent. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 10:34 AM 5/30/99 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: >> The machine supports XGA, but does that mean that it is not >> possible to set >> the resolution to 800x600 (and in that way be able to get larger >> text on the >> screen which is more comfy for the eyes)? > >You've gotten some answers explaining why you can't just change the >resolution and have it do what you hoped. Now to try to solve the problem... > >If you're accustomed to running a CRT at 800x600, you probably use the Small >Fonts setting in Windows, right? (If you're thinking "Small Fonts? Huh?" >then that's the setting you're using--it's the standard Windows setting.) ... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 22:36:10 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06577 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28000; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 22:33:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27788; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27772; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 22:33:39 -0400 Received: by mail.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 30 May 1999 21:36:03 -0500 Message-ID: <7553C6C478C1D011999300A024D2D29583A3DA@mail.ubh.com> From: Greg Langham To: "'STeve Andre''" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: can I use 800x600 on an XGA TFT machine? Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 21:35:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I think you missed his point. Leave the resolution at 1024x768, then use large fonts. I always set my video to the highest possible resolution, then use large fonts to make things easier to read, if need be. Trying to use any resolution on an LCD panel, other than the resolution is was designed for, will produce a display that is "blocky" or "chunky." Greg -----Original Message----- From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@pilot.msu.edu] Sent: Sunday, May 30, 1999 9:31 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: can I use 800x600 on an XGA TFT machine? Thats a good idea, but it doesn't work. I just spent some time doing just this, altering the size of the fonts and at no point did I get anything that looked decent. --STeve Andre' andres@pilot.msu.edu At 10:34 AM 5/30/99 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: >> The machine supports XGA, but does that mean that it is not >> possible to set >> the resolution to 800x600 (and in that way be able to get larger >> text on the >> screen which is more comfy for the eyes)? > >You've gotten some answers explaining why you can't just change the >resolution and have it do what you hoped. Now to try to solve the problem... > >If you're accustomed to running a CRT at 800x600, you probably use the Small >Fonts setting in Windows, right? (If you're thinking "Small Fonts? Huh?" >then that's the setting you're using--it's the standard Windows setting.) ... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun May 30 22:46:08 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06609 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28760; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 May 1999 22:42:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28523; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot023.cl.msu.edu (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28510; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot023.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.123 -> pilot023.cl.msu.edu) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 May 1999 22:42:18 -0400 Received: from andres (port35.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.174]) by pilot023.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA16218 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:42:13 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990530224436.008bf100@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:44:36 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: can I use 800x600 on an XGA TFT machine? In-Reply-To: <7553C6C478C1D011999300A024D2D29583A3DA@mail.ubh.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Well, there's nothing like misinterpretation of email is there. After reading this again I agree. Larger fonts at 1024x768 is an infinately better idea than mucking about with font sizes at lower resolution modes. --STeve Andre' andre@pilot.msu.edu At 09:35 PM 5/30/99 -0500, Greg Langham wrote: >I think you missed his point. Leave the resolution at 1024x768, then use >large fonts. I always set my video to the highest possible resolution, >then use large fonts to make things easier to read, if need be. > >Trying to use any resolution on an LCD panel, other than the resolution is >was designed for, will produce a display that is "blocky" or "chunky." > >Greg > >-----Original Message----- >From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@pilot.msu.edu] >Sent: Sunday, May 30, 1999 9:31 PM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: RE: can I use 800x600 on an XGA TFT machine? > > >Thats a good idea, but it doesn't work. I just spent some time doing >just this, altering the size of the fonts and at no point did I get >anything that looked decent. > >--STeve Andre' >andres@pilot.msu.edu > >At 10:34 AM 5/30/99 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: >>> The machine supports XGA, but does that mean that it is not >>> possible to set >>> the resolution to 800x600 (and in that way be able to get larger >>> text on the >>> screen which is more comfy for the eyes)? >> >>You've gotten some answers explaining why you can't just change the >>resolution and have it do what you hoped. Now to try to solve the >problem... >> >>If you're accustomed to running a CRT at 800x600, you probably use the >Small >>Fonts setting in Windows, right? (If you're thinking "Small Fonts? Huh?" >>then that's the setting you're using--it's the standard Windows setting.) >... > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 31 03:44:21 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA08673 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 03:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06920; Mon, 31 May 1999 03:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 31 May 1999 03:41:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06694; Mon, 31 May 1999 03:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06681; Mon, 31 May 1999 03:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (206.214.98.13 -> dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 May 1999 03:41:18 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA19232 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 02:41:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx45-32.ix.netcom.com(198.211.44.96) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019229; Mon May 31 02:41:08 1999 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990531023623.0079dec0@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: powrlftr@popd.ix.netcom.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 02:36:23 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Blaine Hufnagle Subject: TP350 drive hassles... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know how to get a Thinkpad 350 to read drives larger than 258 MB? Story: My TP755CD died inexplicably, and I had several hundred MB of files on the drive that I need access to (including my Win95 install files). We got lucky and got my TP350 resurrected, but the files on the 755 are needed. Was there a grey-market BIOS upgrade (or something else) for the 350 that allowed it to use drives from other TP models, or am I just plain SOL? Is there some method of getting the data off the drive another way, such as getting the drive from the 755 to be readable on my desktop machine? -blaine From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 31 12:30:15 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10612 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 12:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25695; Mon, 31 May 1999 12:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 31 May 1999 12:25:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25407; Mon, 31 May 1999 12:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merlins.force9.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25393; Mon, 31 May 1999 12:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merlins.force9.net (195.166.128.23 -> merlins.force9.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 May 1999 12:25:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 14568 invoked from network); 31 May 1999 16:28:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by merlins.force9.net with SMTP; 31 May 1999 16:28:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 1642 invoked from network); 31 May 1999 16:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sierpinski) (212.56.113.15) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 31 May 1999 16:21:38 -0000 Message-ID: <002801beab82$535c2b00$0f7138d4@sierpinski> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Using HD as CD Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 17:26:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Every so often I want to use a CD on my TP without actually using the (external) drive. The obvious way to do this is to copy the CD onto a directory - however, some programs don't like this (they look for the CD to be inserted). Anyone know a way around this? (FYI, the OS is in W95) BTW, I've encountered a similar problem using a CD over a network. I know that in the DOS world there are utilities to treat networked drives as local CD drives, but on the TP I think this would involve slowing down the disk by using DOS pcmcia services etc. for running the HD. Suggestions? - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 31 13:26:48 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10940 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 13:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27614; Mon, 31 May 1999 13:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 31 May 1999 13:24:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27413; Mon, 31 May 1999 13:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27373; Mon, 31 May 1999 13:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (149.174.183.73 -> smtp4.site1.csi.com) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 May 1999 13:24:05 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 May 1999 13:24:01 -0400 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (h-182-39.mn.mediaone.net [209.32.182.39]) by dub-img-ims-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.7) with ESMTP id NAA01955; Mon, 31 May 1999 13:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3752C598.C6B25582@csc.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:23:36 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Using HD as CD References: <002801beab82$535c2b00$0f7138d4@sierpinski> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Usually there are two different situations that may be causing your problem: - The CD was previously used to install a program on the PC and was done from the actual CD drive (say F:). Then, when running the program, re-installing or adding/removing components of that program, the program expects the CD to be in the F: drive. This situation can usually be overcome by finding the spot in the registry or an .INI file where the program keeps track of the install drive letter and then switching it to reflect the new location. - The program expects the information on the CD to be located in a fixed position at (or relative to) the root of the drive. So, if you've copied the CD contents to d:\temp\myCD and information is located at a subfolder called \data , the program may be looking for d:\data and not finding it, since it's really at d:\temp\myCD\data. If the CD was copied to a network, the simple solution is to map a network drive right down to the CD's root directory to get the same effect. I don't know for sure how to do this if it is a local drive, other than to copy things to the real root directory, which could be a mess. I'm pretty sure the problem has nothing to do with the speed of file access. Normally it's just a matter of the program finding the information it is looking for. Good luck, Rob David Ross wrote: > > Every so often I want to use a CD on my TP without actually using the (external) drive. The obvious way to do this is to copy the > CD onto a directory - however, some programs don't like this (they look for the CD to be inserted). Anyone know a way around this? > (FYI, the OS is in W95) > > BTW, I've encountered a similar problem using a CD over a network. I know that in the DOS world there are utilities to treat > networked drives as local CD drives, but on the TP I think this would involve slowing down the disk by using DOS pcmcia services > etc. for running the HD. > > Suggestions? > > - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 31 13:29:39 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10959 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 13:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27965; Mon, 31 May 1999 13:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 31 May 1999 13:27:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27827; Mon, 31 May 1999 13:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27746; Mon, 31 May 1999 13:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wichita.gate.net (198.206.134.42 -> wichita.gate.net) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 May 1999 13:26:18 -0400 Received: from icanect.net (tspsl1-451.gate.net [199.227.173.197] (may be forged)) by wichita.gate.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA301146; Mon, 31 May 1999 13:27:48 -0400 Message-ID: <3752C62F.70F1F8B6@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:26:07 -0400 From: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Blaine Hufnagle CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP350 drive hassles... References: <3.0.6.32.19990531023623.0079dec0@popd.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Blaine.. you are NOT SOL unless the drive is destroyed.. you CAN remove the HDD from the 755 shell and, with an adapter, use it on a desktop.. (i built up a very basic PC using a 340meg drive from an old TP, and its still running after almost two years in daily use!) also, depending on the amount of data and/or the size of the HDD, many list members can extract the data to another HDD or write it to a CD.. also, have you tried one of the utilities, like EZ Drive or Ontrack..?? in short, that drive should work in the 350 with little problem... and if thats a problem, many hereabouts have old 755CD and CE machines that'll read your HDD.. what I would do, is pop that drive out of the shell, and into a 2nd HDD adapter, slide it into the ultrabay of a 770 on my network and VIOLA! files saved to whereever i want to put 'em.. :-) Blaine Hufnagle wrote: > Does anyone know how to get a Thinkpad 350 to read drives larger than 258 MB? > > Story: > > My TP755CD died inexplicably, and I had several hundred MB of files on the > drive that I need access to (including my Win95 install files). We got > lucky and got my TP350 resurrected, but the files on the 755 are needed. > > Was there a grey-market BIOS upgrade (or something else) for the 350 that > allowed it to use drives from other TP models, or am I just plain SOL? Is > there some method of getting the data off the drive another way, such as > getting the drive from the 755 to be readable on my desktop machine? > > -blaine -- Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al... Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Done on a closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 31 16:08:35 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12806 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 16:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04035; Mon, 31 May 1999 16:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 31 May 1999 16:06:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03838; Mon, 31 May 1999 16:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpcug.org (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03825; Mon, 31 May 1999 16:06:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from cpcug.org (205.197.248.25 -> cpcug.org) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 May 1999 16:06:35 -0400 Received: from dc-hiper12.idsonline.com (dc-hiper12.idsonline.com [205.177.251.12]) by cpcug.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA19933; Mon, 31 May 1999 16:04:23 -0400 (EDT) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: "David Ross" Subject: Re: Using HD as CD Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:03:38 GMT Message-ID: <3752e90d.796297@cpcug.org> References: <002801beab82$535c2b00$0f7138d4@sierpinski> In-Reply-To: <002801beab82$535c2b00$0f7138d4@sierpinski> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: In the Year of our Lord Mon, 31 May 1999 17:26:23 +0100 you wrote:=20 >Every so often I want to use a CD on my TP without actually using the = (external) drive. The obvious way to do this is to copy the CD onto a = directory - however, some programs don't like this (they look for the CD = to be inserted). Anyone know a way around this? (FYI, the OS is in W95) >BTW, I've encountered a similar problem using a CD over a network. I = know that in the DOS world there are utilities to treat >networked drives as local CD drives, but on the TP I think this would = involve slowing down the disk by using DOS pcmcia services >etc. for running the HD. > >Suggestions? I have a program here called Virtual Drive v3.1 from Far Stone Tech. Inc.= I don't have it installed, just zipped up with other programs on a zip = disk. The help file says,=20 "Virtual Drive is a CD-ROM emulation application. It creates CD-ROM = images on a hard drive(or network file server) with professional compression, = and adds a new virtual CD icon onto the Virtual Drive Manager program. There = is no need to search for CD-ROMs, no need to load CD-ROMs into a drive, and there is no need to wait for a CD-ROM drive to start up. One no longer = has to change CD-ROMs in order to run other CD applications. Just click on = the CD-ROM icon and watch it run..." I believe I dl'd it from ZDNet...If you can't find it, I can email or FTP the program or help file to you...The filename is virtdriv.zip Best of luck, ---- Russ Winkler ICQ#13977273 mailto:russw@cpcug.org Capital PC User Group -"Users Helping Users" From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon May 31 17:57:02 1999 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13491 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 17:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08076; Mon, 31 May 1999 17:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 31 May 1999 17:54:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07932; Mon, 31 May 1999 17:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.snelnet.nl (LOCALHOST.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07918; Mon, 31 May 1999 17:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.snelnet.nl (192.87.106.106 -> server2.snelnet.nl) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 May 1999 17:54:33 -0400 Received: from AlbatrossTP770 (adsl-145-99-133-197.snelnet.nl [145.99.133.197]) by server2.snelnet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA09689 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 23:56:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001501beabaf$dc6b5240$0800005a@agamemnon01> Reply-To: "steve lavi" From: "steve lavi" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: re: using HD as CD Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:52:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: hi david !!! I am using a pgm called CD COPY from IMSI - which allows you to make virtual cd-rom drives and "mount" copies of compressed cd's via drag and drop. I use it on long trips - to play 15 audio CD's right on my TP770 with no discman, the original cd's etc. the pgms' documentation also describes other uses - such as game cd's etc. I use win98 - but maybe it also works in win95. may be it is what you are looking for. rgrds - steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------- Every so often I want to use a CD on my TP without actually using the (external) drive. The obvious way to do this is to copy the CD onto a directory - however, some programs don't like this (they look for the CD to be inserted). Anyone know a way around this? (FYI, the OS is in W95) BTW, I've encountered a similar problem using a CD over a network. I know that in the DOS world there are utilities to treat networked drives as local CD drives, but on the TP I think this would involve slowing down the disk by using DOS pcmcia services etc. for running the HD. Suggestions? - David R.