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		<title>Comment on Blogs and the Dissemination of Scientific Research by Sanjay Kairam</title>
		<link>http://groups.csail.mit.edu/haystack/blog/2009/11/04/blogs-and-the-dissemination-of-scientific-research/comment-page-1/#comment-1102</link>
		<dc:creator>Sanjay Kairam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a great idea!  Two important but simple questions are:

1) I think that the audience will likely need to be either for other HCI researchers or for a general audience.  Focused effort on explaining results in an accessible way to a general audience might go a long way towards getting people interested in HCI topics, the way that NASA seems to do for space exploration, which is a great goal.
2) Who would do the vetting?  I am relatively new to the whole CHI process, but I do know that it seems like reviewers are often already stretched just with reviewing papers and may not be eager to take on blog post reviews as well.  I think that just forcing authors to vet their own posts would encourage them to think critically about how to explain results and would probably make for better CHI presentations anyway - I wouldn&#039;t worry about posting the results all at once, but you could invite people to post in waves throughout December and January.

In general, I look forward to more blogging and more idea-sharing from HCI writers - it&#039;s nice reading papers for depth, but blogs would be a great way to understand someone&#039;s research interests and capture some interesting findings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a great idea!  Two important but simple questions are:</p>
<p>1) I think that the audience will likely need to be either for other HCI researchers or for a general audience.  Focused effort on explaining results in an accessible way to a general audience might go a long way towards getting people interested in HCI topics, the way that NASA seems to do for space exploration, which is a great goal.<br />
2) Who would do the vetting?  I am relatively new to the whole CHI process, but I do know that it seems like reviewers are often already stretched just with reviewing papers and may not be eager to take on blog post reviews as well.  I think that just forcing authors to vet their own posts would encourage them to think critically about how to explain results and would probably make for better CHI presentations anyway &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t worry about posting the results all at once, but you could invite people to post in waves throughout December and January.</p>
<p>In general, I look forward to more blogging and more idea-sharing from HCI writers &#8211; it&#8217;s nice reading papers for depth, but blogs would be a great way to understand someone&#8217;s research interests and capture some interesting findings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blogs and the Dissemination of Scientific Research by David Huynh</title>
		<link>http://groups.csail.mit.edu/haystack/blog/2009/11/04/blogs-and-the-dissemination-of-scientific-research/comment-page-1/#comment-1100</link>
		<dc:creator>David Huynh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Interfaces are replicable by observing the design and the description.&quot; - I have not seen this done by HCI researchers before.

My point is that the reward system may be the more important thing to fix than the publication time lag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Interfaces are replicable by observing the design and the description.&#8221; &#8211; I have not seen this done by HCI researchers before.</p>
<p>My point is that the reward system may be the more important thing to fix than the publication time lag.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blogs and the Dissemination of Scientific Research by Paul André</title>
		<link>http://groups.csail.mit.edu/haystack/blog/2009/11/04/blogs-and-the-dissemination-of-scientific-research/comment-page-1/#comment-1099</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul André</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a great idea, and something I consider problematic in HCI. I read a lot of economics, psychology, neuroscience etc. blogs that all discuss recent and interesting research, but there&#039;s very little from HCI.

I wonder why HCI doesn&#039;t do it. To throw a provocative statement out, perhaps researchers would do more interesting research if they thought they had to blog about it and get others interested :).

DK&#039;s point about the work being well known by the time of the conference may also a) conference organisers to rethink the format (which is already being discussed), and b) present the work in a new or interesting manner. As you say, it may even serve as a good indicator of what to go see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a great idea, and something I consider problematic in HCI. I read a lot of economics, psychology, neuroscience etc. blogs that all discuss recent and interesting research, but there&#8217;s very little from HCI.</p>
<p>I wonder why HCI doesn&#8217;t do it. To throw a provocative statement out, perhaps researchers would do more interesting research if they thought they had to blog about it and get others interested <img src='http://groups.csail.mit.edu/haystack/blog/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>DK&#8217;s point about the work being well known by the time of the conference may also a) conference organisers to rethink the format (which is already being discussed), and b) present the work in a new or interesting manner. As you say, it may even serve as a good indicator of what to go see.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blogs and the Dissemination of Scientific Research by Michael Bernstein</title>
		<link>http://groups.csail.mit.edu/haystack/blog/2009/11/04/blogs-and-the-dissemination-of-scientific-research/comment-page-1/#comment-1098</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David K--
It&#039;s a legitimate worry about the work becoming broadly known.  I&#039;d personally worry that people who read the post wouldn&#039;t come to my talk at the conference.  But, if you do a good job as an advertisement, it could also potentially increase turnout too.

@David H--
Unlike in psychology, there is very little reward in HCI for reproducing previous results.  I think this is partially because HCI sometimes has tenuous claims to being &quot;a science&quot;.  But maybe levying the criticism at systems papers is unwarranted; their core contribution is rarely about the evaluation anyway. Interfaces are replicable by observing the design and the description.

But I don&#039;t think a results blog would affect this issue either way.  The paper still had to get through peer review, which required its evaluation to be strong enough to be believable. But I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if blog posts suppressed the evaluation parts of systems papers -- if you built Air Guitar Hero, few people on the web care about the results of your ANOVA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David K&#8211;<br />
It&#8217;s a legitimate worry about the work becoming broadly known.  I&#8217;d personally worry that people who read the post wouldn&#8217;t come to my talk at the conference.  But, if you do a good job as an advertisement, it could also potentially increase turnout too.</p>
<p>@David H&#8211;<br />
Unlike in psychology, there is very little reward in HCI for reproducing previous results.  I think this is partially because HCI sometimes has tenuous claims to being &#8220;a science&#8221;.  But maybe levying the criticism at systems papers is unwarranted; their core contribution is rarely about the evaluation anyway. Interfaces are replicable by observing the design and the description.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think a results blog would affect this issue either way.  The paper still had to get through peer review, which required its evaluation to be strong enough to be believable. But I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if blog posts suppressed the evaluation parts of systems papers &#8212; if you built Air Guitar Hero, few people on the web care about the results of your ANOVA.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Blogs and the Dissemination of Scientific Research by David Huynh</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Huynh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read about psychology studies, I often read that they tend to get re-run by several independent labs in the world in order to see whether the results are actually reproducible. From my experience with HCI research, each user study tends to get run only once, maybe 2 weeks before a deadline. The results are then taken as bible and quoted by subsequent papers without any attempt to re-run the study to reproduce its result. Is it possible that we might be building on a shaky foundation of irreproducible results?

One reason why studies are not re-run is because research tools are not reusable. They fall apart as soon as the last usability subject leaves the lab. And no researcher would be willing to re-implement a competitive tool to do a proper comparison, let alone re-run a study that earns him/her no novelty point.

So the publication process is not just problematic for the time delay, but also for the reward scheme. So, fixing the time delay might just get us bogus papers faster.

A friend of mine claims that most if not all things you use a lot on your computer and on the Web today have not come out of HCI academic research proper in the last 2 decades. I am having trouble arguing with him :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read about psychology studies, I often read that they tend to get re-run by several independent labs in the world in order to see whether the results are actually reproducible. From my experience with HCI research, each user study tends to get run only once, maybe 2 weeks before a deadline. The results are then taken as bible and quoted by subsequent papers without any attempt to re-run the study to reproduce its result. Is it possible that we might be building on a shaky foundation of irreproducible results?</p>
<p>One reason why studies are not re-run is because research tools are not reusable. They fall apart as soon as the last usability subject leaves the lab. And no researcher would be willing to re-implement a competitive tool to do a proper comparison, let alone re-run a study that earns him/her no novelty point.</p>
<p>So the publication process is not just problematic for the time delay, but also for the reward scheme. So, fixing the time delay might just get us bogus papers faster.</p>
<p>A friend of mine claims that most if not all things you use a lot on your computer and on the Web today have not come out of HCI academic research proper in the last 2 decades. I am having trouble arguing with him <img src='http://groups.csail.mit.edu/haystack/blog/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Blogs and the Dissemination of Scientific Research by David Karger</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Karger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great idea; I&#039;d definitely post work there.  It might be nice if the blog supported crossposting from specific research groups&#039; blogs, which is where they might actually want to announce their results.

Such a blog would exacerbate one big problem with CHI: as you say, presentations there are for 7-month-old work.  With the blog, it would become 7-month-old and _broadly known_ work---a recipe for boredom.  The right fix there, of course, is to shorten the submission-to-publication timeline.  I&#039;ve just finished chairing ISWC 2009 where we had quite a bit of success with a tighter schedule: from submission, 2 weeks for reviews (nobody does them before the last 2 weeks anyway), 1 week for metareviews, 1 week for rebuttals and final decision, 1 week for camera-ready copy.   If you abandon paper proceedings, that camera ready can arrive the day before the conference, giving you a 5-week timeline instead of 7 months.  We ended up stretching it a bit farther to give attendees time to get visas and book flights, but still had a June submission deadline for our October conference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great idea; I&#8217;d definitely post work there.  It might be nice if the blog supported crossposting from specific research groups&#8217; blogs, which is where they might actually want to announce their results.</p>
<p>Such a blog would exacerbate one big problem with CHI: as you say, presentations there are for 7-month-old work.  With the blog, it would become 7-month-old and _broadly known_ work&#8212;a recipe for boredom.  The right fix there, of course, is to shorten the submission-to-publication timeline.  I&#8217;ve just finished chairing ISWC 2009 where we had quite a bit of success with a tighter schedule: from submission, 2 weeks for reviews (nobody does them before the last 2 weeks anyway), 1 week for metareviews, 1 week for rebuttals and final decision, 1 week for camera-ready copy.   If you abandon paper proceedings, that camera ready can arrive the day before the conference, giving you a 5-week timeline instead of 7 months.  We ended up stretching it a bit farther to give attendees time to get visas and book flights, but still had a June submission deadline for our October conference.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does the Semantic Web Need Ontologies? by Igor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Igor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also support the semantic wild wild west approach. I think it is pretty much consistent with how the Web started in the first place - don&#039;t put too much load on the average publisher to publish! I do, however, think that ontologies are only good for certain problems e.g. integration problems and then only in a closed setting where the interested parties rely heavily on the ontology to solve particular problems which cannot be solved otherwise which then justifies the cost of developing them. At Web scale, ontologies won&#039;t work - or won&#039;t begin to work at least until we have open data on the web comparable to the size of the actual Web. As you say just moving from documents to data is a huge leap. For the near future we should support end user interaction over data. It would be really cool to see every web site have a little icon, as the rss\atom button, that allows you to go from page mode to data mode and explore their data in some usable way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also support the semantic wild wild west approach. I think it is pretty much consistent with how the Web started in the first place &#8211; don&#8217;t put too much load on the average publisher to publish! I do, however, think that ontologies are only good for certain problems e.g. integration problems and then only in a closed setting where the interested parties rely heavily on the ontology to solve particular problems which cannot be solved otherwise which then justifies the cost of developing them. At Web scale, ontologies won&#8217;t work &#8211; or won&#8217;t begin to work at least until we have open data on the web comparable to the size of the actual Web. As you say just moving from documents to data is a huge leap. For the near future we should support end user interaction over data. It would be really cool to see every web site have a little icon, as the rss\atom button, that allows you to go from page mode to data mode and explore their data in some usable way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does the Semantic Web Need Ontologies? by Mitch Skinner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch Skinner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been advocating the &quot;semantic wild west&quot; approach in my own area of genomics and I&#039;m mostly getting either pushback or blank looks, although a few people are starting to come around.

Some of the people I work with are really into ontologies, and some people are pursuing RDF triple stores:

http://gmod.org/wiki/August_2009_GMOD_Meeting#Linked_Data_for_GMOD_Databases

but I&#039;m wondering if it would be better to just stick everything in CouchDB or one of the other &quot;NoSQL&quot; stores.  Right now I just want to store the data in something that will scale.  If a piece of software needs more structure in its input, then we can just give it a query.  Higher-level modeling can come later, and that modeling will be so much better and easier if it already has a body of data to refer to.  I&#039;m even hoping that we&#039;ll be able to automatically learn the ontologies from the data; that process would be so much easier if it could use semistructured data as input rather than natural language text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been advocating the &#8220;semantic wild west&#8221; approach in my own area of genomics and I&#8217;m mostly getting either pushback or blank looks, although a few people are starting to come around.</p>
<p>Some of the people I work with are really into ontologies, and some people are pursuing RDF triple stores:</p>
<p><a href="http://gmod.org/wiki/August_2009_GMOD_Meeting#Linked_Data_for_GMOD_Databases" rel="nofollow">http://gmod.org/wiki/August_2009_GMOD_Meeting#Linked_Data_for_GMOD_Databases</a></p>
<p>but I&#8217;m wondering if it would be better to just stick everything in CouchDB or one of the other &#8220;NoSQL&#8221; stores.  Right now I just want to store the data in something that will scale.  If a piece of software needs more structure in its input, then we can just give it a query.  Higher-level modeling can come later, and that modeling will be so much better and easier if it already has a body of data to refer to.  I&#8217;m even hoping that we&#8217;ll be able to automatically learn the ontologies from the data; that process would be so much easier if it could use semistructured data as input rather than natural language text.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does the Semantic Web Need Ontologies? by glenn mcdonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>glenn mcdonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cool-sounding additional stuff OWL can supposedly do for you, like inferring relationships that are not explicitly present in your data, and asserting the equivalences that represent reconciliation of variant references, are modeled in logical terms, not practical ones, so they tend to be foiled by data-messiness rather than energized by it.

Here, not entirely by coincidence, is my rant about &quot;owl:sameAs&quot; from a couple days ago:

http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=log&amp;id=333

Also, although this is probably what you&#039;d guess, I meant &quot;*universal*&quot; up there, not some other mysterious quality called &quot;*univesal*&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cool-sounding additional stuff OWL can supposedly do for you, like inferring relationships that are not explicitly present in your data, and asserting the equivalences that represent reconciliation of variant references, are modeled in logical terms, not practical ones, so they tend to be foiled by data-messiness rather than energized by it.</p>
<p>Here, not entirely by coincidence, is my rant about &#8220;owl:sameAs&#8221; from a couple days ago:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=log&amp;id=333" rel="nofollow">http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=log&amp;id=333</a></p>
<p>Also, although this is probably what you&#8217;d guess, I meant &#8220;*universal*&#8221; up there, not some other mysterious quality called &#8220;*univesal*&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does the Semantic Web Need Ontologies? by David Karger</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Karger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;ve articulated my position quite well.   But can you elaborate on what you mean about RDF and OWL demanding more rigor if you want them to &quot;pitch in&quot; and do more than line up columns?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ve articulated my position quite well.   But can you elaborate on what you mean about RDF and OWL demanding more rigor if you want them to &#8220;pitch in&#8221; and do more than line up columns?</p>
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